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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest)
To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #847
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hist_text-digest Tuesday, August 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 847
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Old Bottles
-áááááá MtMan-List: r'vous, where?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Old Bottles
-áááááá MtMan-List: old bottles
-áááááá MtMan-List: hot heads and hats
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: clothing for women (was: Boys Clothing)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: hot heads and hats
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: hot heads and hats
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: r'vous, where?
-áááááá MtMan-List: willow pack
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: r'vous, where?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #846
-áááááá MtMan-List: Book Review: The Trade
-áááááá MtMan-List: Remember the AMM Eastern in Virginia in October!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Remember the AMM Eastern in Virginia in October!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
-áááááá MtMan-List: Buffalo Restoration
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Old Bottles
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Book Review: The Trade
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Old Bottles
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 03:08:58 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old Bottles
In a message dated 8/25/01 5:08:58 PM, mia3wolves@msn.com writes:
<< I collect old bottles, also. I have been told by antique dealers that the
value is ruined if you clean them. >>
Oops..... Dinna mean to send that last yet....
Anyway Maryln.... I never could figure that out. A bunch of old crusty lime
and who knows what, stain on a bottle makes it worth more! I use the bottles,
so it's nice to have em kinda clean.
<<Most of my bottles come from garbage
dumps and have the rainbow patina>>
Aaaaah....... don't think I'll be drinking out of the rainbow patina
bottles....<G>
Ymos,
Magpie
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:06:36 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@cox-internet.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: r'vous, where?
A common practice [failing?] on this list, and others, is to discuss an
event without fully mentioning where it was or will be.
The Riverton Rendezvous may be known to some on this list, but others,
like yours truly, do not know what state it is in. Knowing if it is 200 or
2000 miles from home sure would be a big help in deciding whether or not
attending is possible.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:14:38 -0400
From: manbear <manbear@netonecom.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old Bottles
I'd rather drink out of those that the ones I've dug out of old privies.
Talk about getting Sh** Faced..;-)
Manbear
SWcushing@aol.com wrote:
><<Most of my bottles from garbage dumps have rainbow patina>>
>Aaaaah....... don't think I'll be drinking out of the rainbow patina
>bottles....<G>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:17:24 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@cox-internet.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: old bottles
Marlyn Adams said,
<. I have been told by antique dealers that the
value is ruined if you clean them. Most of my bottles come from garbage
dumps and have the rainbow patina. Cleaning ruins this.>
Marlyn, I too, have sold and traded antiques for many years. From my
experience, one statement I can make with absolute authority is that most
antique dealers do not know what the 'h' they are talking about.
I believe [my opinion] that from my observations old bottles sell
quicker and bring a higher price if they are cleaned first and the so-called
patina removed.
Rinsing any old glassware with vinegar is a very old antiquers trick to
clean and sparkle glass. That does not "ruin" the old glass.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:25:27 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@cox-internet.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: hot heads and hats
Mike W. said,
<I have seen lots of real cowboys with wool
hats on in the summer. Does that make sense? Off hand, it seems like a
wool
hat would be best for winter and a straw hat best for summer.>
Mike, you obviously have been keeping a cool head. Only those with
previously fried brains would claim that heavy, warm clothes are "cooler" in
hot summer weather than light airy clothes.
I have some friends that are Civil War [can we say that on this list?]
re-enactors. They claim that they are comfortable in their heavy wool CW
uniforms during 90 and 100 degree weather. They'll say this while in their
death throes from heat prostration.
Personally, I often wish a mesh baseball style cap had been in wide use
pre-1840 as 'authentically correct' hats are really uncomfortable in hot
weather and going bareheaded does not shade the eyes.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:43:44 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: clothing for women (was: Boys Clothing)
At 12:58 AM 8/26/01 -0600, "Larry Huber" <shootsprairie@hotmail.com> wrote:
>My son wore a shirt of my wife's making, moccasins of my making but the narrow
>fall, drop front drawers were made by Jas Townsend and Son. Their goods are
>well-made, authentic and inexpensive.
Townsend's stuff for men & boys is good. Unfortunately, the're not as good
when it comes to women's clothing, as they continue to offer the "French
bodice" (http://www.jastown.com/womens/fb-142.htm) & "English bodice"
(http://www.jastown.com/womens/eb-141.htm), even though there is *no*
documentation for these garments being worn in America or Britain in the
18th or 19th centuries. Their shortgown & bedgown, though, are good.
Caveat emptor!
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:20:26 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hot heads and hats
Hasn't anyone on this list ever heard of evaporative cooling? It works as
well on your head as on a water bag, swamp cooler, or spring well.
In the desert a canvas hat, long sleeve cotton shirt, and long cotton
pants, (feel free to substitute hemp and or linen for cotton) is
comfortable if you simply stay wet. This technique does not work so well
in humid areas. It works swell with a 4x beaver.
A man with only a felt hat is smarter to wear it on a bright shiny
day. When you're on the trail you haven't got room to be packing spare
large brim hats in oversize boxes to keep them pretty and pristine.
Use those damn silly, one size fits nobody, mesh caps and burn your brains
out: what's a little melanoma on the top of your head?
John...
At 10:25 AM 8/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Mike W. said,
> <I have seen lots of real cowboys with wool
>hats on in the summer. Does that make sense? Off hand, it seems like a
>wool
>hat would be best for winter and a straw hat best for summer.>
> Mike, you obviously have been keeping a cool head. Only those with
>previously fried brains would claim that heavy, warm clothes are "cooler" in
>hot summer weather than light airy clothes.
> I have some friends that are Civil War [can we say that on this list?]
>re-enactors. They claim that they are comfortable in their heavy wool CW
>uniforms during 90 and 100 degree weather. They'll say this while in their
>death throes from heat prostration.
> Personally, I often wish a mesh baseball style cap had been in wide use
>pre-1840 as 'authentically correct' hats are really uncomfortable in hot
>weather and going bareheaded does not shade the eyes.
>Frank G. Fusco
>Mountain Home, Arkansas
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:12:07 -0600
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hot heads and hats
As a person who works outside about 8-9 months a year,
I'd like to put in my 2 cents on the straw/ flet hat debate. I am
a house painter who has about 60- 70% of my jobs being
exteriors. I have used a straw hat for the last four years. They
are cheap, cooler and protect my face better than any other
hat I have found. I even have a better straw hat which I use
when not working and go to events where it is not formal.
And as some one how has had four skin cancer places
removed (and another which I'm sure my doctor will say needs
it), I find these hats the best I can use. They protect my ears,
temples and the back of the neck. In my business I am seeing
alot of trademen who are coming up with the same cancers
on ears, sides of the face and necks. And I tell every one of them
to switch.
There are differences in styles and weaves, so you need to find
one which let air through, have wide brims and still shade well the face.
Many on my customers probably wouldn't reconginze me with out one
and I feel that they work well. I also own a 4x beaver hat from
Clearwater Hats (they are nice!). But I sweat more in it and they are
alot heavier. A lot of people will say their ideas and opponions on styles
and myths associated with felt hats, but they are not perfect. They will
burn from a stray spark and once burned can not be fixed. (so you will
also have a sun spot where it is), I have a few friends who have bullet
holes, burn marks and othere holes in their felt hats, and while these do
add character to it, they can't be repaired like on a straw hat. I have used
straw hats on canoe trips, horse rides and alot of weekend camps where
they can be advantage.
mike.
p.s. Hardtack tells me that in the famous picture of Joseph Walker riding
on his horse with his Indian wife behind him (Alfred Jacon Miller), he is
wearing a wide brim, straw hat. He might be right!
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:10:05 EDT
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: r'vous, where?
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Riverton is in west central Wyoming and was the site of the 1830 and 1838
rendezvous. It is well worth the time it takes
Mark "Roadkill" Loader
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Riverton is in west central Wyoming and was the site of the 1830 and 1838
<BR>rendezvous. It is well worth the time it takes
<BR> Mark "Roadkill" Loader</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:17:23 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: willow pack
Well.....here it is boys and girls, the finished pack, and dam if I ain't
kinda proud of it! Onlyest took me a couple weeks, a case and a half of MGD,
half a jug of JD, and near a pint of blood from the needle pokes.
The frame is rawhide laced willow with the cross poles inleted into the
uprights, and gluded. The bag is hand sewn (take note John) linen/cotton
canvas with tanned moose leather at the bottom...and bees wax for
waterproofing.
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/swcushing/pac2.jpg">pac2.jpg</A>
http://members.aol.com/swcushing/pac2.jpg
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/swcushing/pac1.jpg">pac1.jpg</A>
http://members.aol.com/swcushing/pac1.jpg
As soon as my fingers heal, I'll sew sumtin else up....and nope, I ain't
takein orders.....<G>
Ymos,
Magpie
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:58:32 -0400
From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
Pack looks really good, but what in the world is
it parked in front of??
BTW, you might wish to get a couple of buffalo scraps
(hair on) and fashion some shoulder pads for the
narrow straps if you plan to carry much weight for
much distance.
Tom
SWcushing@aol.com wrote:
>
> Well.....here it is boys and girls, the finished pack, and dam if I ain't
> kinda proud of it! Onlyest took me a couple weeks, a case and a half of MGD,
> half a jug of JD, and near a pint of blood from the needle pokes.
>
> The frame is rawhide laced willow with the cross poles inleted into the
> uprights, and gluded. The bag is hand sewn (take note John) linen/cotton
> canvas with tanned moose leather at the bottom...and bees wax for
> waterproofing.
>
> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/swcushing/pac2.jpg">pac2.jpg</A>
> http://members.aol.com/swcushing/pac2.jpg
> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/swcushing/pac1.jpg">pac1.jpg</A>
> http://members.aol.com/swcushing/pac1.jpg
>
> As soon as my fingers heal, I'll sew sumtin else up....and nope, I ain't
> takein orders.....<G>
>
> Ymos,
> Magpie
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:43:36 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: r'vous, where?
Frank,
Riverton, Wyoming. On the approximate site of the 1838 rendezvous (junction
of the Wind River and the Popo Agie). Held over the 4th of July week.
At 10:06 AM 08/26/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> A common practice [failing?] on this list, and others, is to discuss an
>event without fully mentioning where it was or will be.
> The Riverton Rendezvous may be known to some on this list, but others,
>like yours truly, do not know what state it is in. Knowing if it is 200 or
>2000 miles from home sure would be a big help in deciding whether or not
>attending is possible.
>Frank G. Fusco
>Mountain Home, Arkansas
>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
>
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:13:21 -0700
From: "rtlahti" <rtlahti@msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
Tom,
Of course he plans on carrying some weight some distance, when he packs out
our elk! <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
> Pack looks really good, but what in the world is
> it parked in front of??
>
> BTW, you might wish to get a couple of buffalo scraps
> (hair on) and fashion some shoulder pads for the
> narrow straps if you plan to carry much weight for
> much distance.
>
> Tom
>
> SWcushing@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Well.....here it is boys and girls, the finished pack, and dam if I
ain't
> > kinda proud of it! Onlyest took me a couple weeks, a case and a half of
MGD,
> > half a jug of JD, and near a pint of blood from the needle pokes.
> >
> > The frame is rawhide laced willow with the cross poles inleted into the
> > uprights, and gluded. The bag is hand sewn (take note John) linen/cotton
> > canvas with tanned moose leather at the bottom...and bees wax for
> > waterproofing.
> >
> > <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/swcushing/pac2.jpg">pac2.jpg</A>
> > http://members.aol.com/swcushing/pac2.jpg
> > <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/swcushing/pac1.jpg">pac1.jpg</A>
> > http://members.aol.com/swcushing/pac1.jpg
> >
> > As soon as my fingers heal, I'll sew sumtin else up....and nope, I ain't
> > takein orders.....<G>
> >
> > Ymos,
> > Magpie
> >
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 00:33:56 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
In a message dated 8/26/01 5:59:27 PM, troberts@gdi.net writes:
<< Pack looks really good, but what in the world is
it parked in front of?? >>
Thanks! ..... Yer gonna have to get out more often Tom....its leanin against
my teepee.....<G>
<<BTW, you might wish to get a couple of buffalo scraps
(hair on) and fashion some shoulder pads>>
Good idea....you got any you'll part with? Draggin Capt Lahti up and down the
hills this fall is gonna hurt without em....
Magpie
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 00:39:24 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
In a message dated 8/26/01 5:59:27 PM, troberts@gdi.net writes:
<< Pack looks really good, but what in the world is
it parked in front of?? >>
Forgot to add this....
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/swcushing/tipi.jpg">tipi.jpg</A>
http://members.aol.com/swcushing/tipi.jpg
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 00:01:10 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
Mighty purty.
How does it feel on your back when you carry it full?
I'm sure the Capt'n will make good use of your new ability to work harder
in his best interest.
It is good to bleed, drains off the poisons and bad blood. Its a period
thing to do.
John...
At 08:17 PM 8/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Well.....here it is boys and girls, the finished pack, and dam if I ain't
>kinda proud of it! Onlyest took me a couple weeks, a case and a half of MGD,
>half a jug of JD, and near a pint of blood from the needle pokes.
>
>The frame is rawhide laced willow with the cross poles inleted into the
>uprights, and gluded. The bag is hand sewn (take note John) linen/cotton
>canvas with tanned moose leather at the bottom...and bees wax for
>waterproofing.
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:08:13 -0600
From: "Kim & Jen" <kimanjen@wyoming.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #846
Hau, John;
My wife, Jenaka has answered some of the questions about the 1838 Rendezvous
Association and the site that we oversee so, I'll just make a comment on
your mention of Jake Korrel. You are definitely right about him being the
genuine article. I've been trapping for over 40 years, off and on, myself
and have learned a lot from Ol' Jake. He is a member of the Association and
the shooting range on the site is dedicated to him. I don't know if you
know it or not but he was nominated a few years ago to the National
Trapper's Association's Hall of Fame. I know this because I am the one who
nominated him. He became number 8 in the Hall of Fame and the seven
preceding him were all deceased. There are quite a few new members in the
Hall of Fame since that first year but, in my opinion, none more sincere and
giving of his time and energies to the youth of the area here, in Fremont
County, Wyoming and to the trappers in general. He was a fur buyer for
years and always gave fair prices and good advice.
Also, you are right about the Association financing the stone engraving.
Rick from Rick's Rocks is the engraver and he still takes care of our needs
whenever we find another mountain man or missionary that can be documented
as there during either the 1830 or 1838 rondy's.
Mitakuye Oyasin
CallsTheWind
> >
> > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:17:44 EDT
> > From: Hawkengun@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Riverton Rendezvous
> >
> > I'm not sure who did the stonework, but there is a Riverton Rendezvous
> Assoc.
> > that probably financed it. They hold a ronnyvoo every 4th of July week.
> > Riverton, besides being the site of the 1830 and 1830 rendezvous' is
also
> > home to Jake Korell, the most genuine trapper/packer/Indian
> trader/mountain
> > man still living and breathing. (Just my opinion, of course, but I'll
> stick
> > to it)
> >
> > John Sweet
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:39:11 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Book Review: The Trade
My summer reading included the novel _The Trade_, by Fred Stenson. The
story takes place from 1822 to the late 1840's, and the action centres on
the Hudson Bay Company's fur trade, particularly in Alberta at this time. I
didn't notice any purely fictional characters; instead, I was entranced by
the parade of historical characters, which included George Simpson, Edward
Harriott, John Rowand, Rev. Rundle, Paul Kane, Jimmy Jock Bird, with cameos
by Dr. John McLoughlin and William Connolly. I was fascinated by Stenson's
unusual, yet credible, take on them. I found Stenson's unorthodox
characterization of Simpson quite believable, in the light of the HBC
Governor's known track record. Stenson also gives Rev. Rundle a rough ride,
but what he says tallies fairly well with Rundle's own journal, which I
read several years ago. I do wish that he'd mentioned that Rundle did,
eventually, learn Cree.
The main plot, about a doomed love, was reminiscent of a Victorian
melodrama, but I found it interesting & enjoyable just the same. For me, it
was the characters & Stenson's perspective on them which really carried the
book.
Gripes: Very few female characters. Occasional references to beards and
tricornes, which I don't believe were very prevalent during the period.
Stenson also consistently uses the word "fuke" for "musket"; I only recall
seeing this term in very early fur trade documents, c. 1774. I didn't see
it used in Samuel Black's 1824 journal, which I was reading at the same
time as The Trade.
Overall, though, it's important to keep in mind that this is a work of
fiction, and not to worry over much about these small details. Many other
small details, like the abandonment of old Matooskie, and the punishment of
the deserters from the Rocky Mountain Expedition, are correct, and show
that Stenson was working hard to do a good job. This book succeeds
admirably at bringing Canadian history to life without abandoning historic
accuracy.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:45:57 EDT
From: Bvrlry@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Remember the AMM Eastern in Virginia in October!
Don't forget the AMM Eastern in Virginia this October. The site if
beee-u-tiful!
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From: "Paul W. Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Remember the AMM Eastern in Virginia in October!
Does the Booshway of this event have an e-mail address?
Regards,
Paul
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> Don't forget the AMM Eastern in Virginia this October. The site if
> beee-u-tiful!
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:29:40 EDT
From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
Magpie,
Your packframe looks GREAT! I made mine in somewhat the same way only for
the first try I just used wood dowels. Will try the willow on the next try.
One suggestion that has worked well for me would be to crisscross the
shoulder straps at the top. Keeps them from wanting to slip over your
shoulder.
Longshot
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:40:46 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
In a message dated 8/26/01 10:03:48 PM, kramer@kramerize.com writes:
<< I'm sure the Capt'n will make good use of your new ability to work harder
in his best interest.
>>
Haaaaaa....He thinks I'm gonna pack him up and down the hills on this Fall
hunt.... I can, but it'll be in quarters....<G.
<<How does it feel on your back when you carry it full?>>
You can't see it in the jpg,s but I dried the willow on a form that put about
a 1 1/2" bend in both uprights. That, with the cross pieces spaced properly,
the leather back brace, and the buffalo shoulder pads Bead Shooter is sending
me... I shouldn't be too paralyzed after a heavy pack.
<<It is good to bleed, drains off the poisons and bad blood. Its a period
thing to do.>>
VBG..... Yeah....but I'm allergic to pain.
I remain,
Magpie
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:28:19 EDT
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days
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George, I think I have to work that weekend. If I can I will be there though
Joe
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:05:49 -0400
From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
>
> Thanks! ..... Yer gonna have to get out more often Tom....its leanin against
> my teepee.....<G>
Oh, that's what it is! Thought it might have been the leading
edge of one of them crop circle burning UFO's. <G> Mighty
colorful!
>
> <<BTW, you might wish to get a couple of buffalo scraps
> (hair on) and fashion some shoulder pads>>
> Good idea....you got any you'll part with? Draggin Capt Lahti up and down the
> hills this fall is gonna hurt without em....
Yep, I might have a couple scraps. Trade you for some of the Capt's elk
meat.<G>
Tom
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:17:19 -0400
From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
Pretty amazing! Did you paint it?
Tom
SWcushing@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/26/01 5:59:27 PM, troberts@gdi.net writes:
>
> << Pack looks really good, but what in the world is
> it parked in front of?? >>
>
> Forgot to add this....
>
> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/swcushing/tipi.jpg">tipi.jpg</A>
> http://members.aol.com/swcushing/tipi.jpg
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:00:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti)
Subject: MtMan-List: Buffalo Restoration
USA Today, Mon. 08-27-01, p.8A
South Dakota: Rosebud - The Rosebud Sioux Tribe has endorsed a plan to
bring back buffalo to a potentially vast tract of land on the Great
Plains. It's the first American Indian tribe to embrace the Million
Acre Project. The Great Plains Restoration Council of Denver is raising
money to buy land and also plans to work with private landowners,
tribes, and local governments to patch together a contiguous 1 million
acres in the region for the buffalo preserve.
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Date: 27 Aug 2001 20:53:11 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old Bottles
My wife has been a collector of old bottles for years. I would guess the =
dealers are trying to get them bought at a much lower price. After all, =
when you see them for sale at the stores they have been cleaned up haven't =
they? As a matter of fact, most of the ones she has, she dug out of old =
out houses and we use them.
On Sunday, October 13, 1940, Maryln Adams <mia3wolves@msn.com> wrote:
>I collect old bottles, also. I have been told by antique dealers that =
the=20
>value is ruined if you clean them. Most of my bottles come from garbage=20
>dumps and have the rainbow patina. Cleaning ruins this. Of course, if =
you=20
>are using them then they would have to be cleaned!
>
>
>
>>From: SWcushing@aol.com
>>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>>Subject: MtMan-List: Old Bottles
>>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:53:20 EDT
>>
>>Hallo the List,
>>
>>Like some, it's hard for me to pass by a neat old bottle (hard to pass =
some
>>neat new bottles too...<G>). I've got some real old ones in my =
collection,
>>but some need the inside cleaned. I came up with the idea of using
>>"efferdent" to soak the inside clean, but dinna work.
>>Now I've got one full of vinegar, and will wait till tomorrow to see if=20
>>that
>>does the trick. Has anyone come up with a solution that works?
>>
>>Ymos,
>>Magpie
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:57:09 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: willow pack
In a message dated 8/27/01 5:18:26 PM, troberts@gdi.net writes:
<< Pretty amazing! Did you paint it? >>
Naw....ain't that handy. Nomadic tipis has a lady that does the pictographs
of buffalo...I kinda like it.
Magpie
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:05:04 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Book Review: The Trade
In a message dated 8/27/01 5:17:30 AM, agottfre@telusplanet.net writes:
<< This book succeeds
admirably at bringing Canadian history to life without abandoning historic
accuracy.
>>
Great review Angela. Can you recommend any books on the Hudson's Bay Co. in
the Northwest? I'm most interested in the Fort Vancouver, Fort Nisqually, and
Fort Langley.....my area of the woods.
Ymos,
Magpie
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 06:28:48 -0400
From: "Maryln Adams" <mia3wolves@msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old Bottles
If you mean the mud off yes. They have been rinsed in water. As far a
cleaning off the patina, which I assume is mineral deposit, the ones that I
have bought from dealeres still have that on it. Most of mine were not
purchased. I do not use my old bottles. Heck! I probably just break them
and many of them are one of a kind and can't easily be replaced. I guess it
is one of those indvidual preference thing. As for me, I do not want an old
bottle to look new. And, yes the dealers are making a killing on some of
these bottles in recent years.
>From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old Bottles
>Date: 27 Aug 2001 20:53:11 -0600
>
>My wife has been a collector of old bottles for years. I would guess the
>dealers are trying to get them bought at a much lower price. After all,
>when you see them for sale at the stores they have been cleaned up haven't
>they? As a matter of fact, most of the ones she has, she dug out of old
>out houses and we use them.
>
>On Sunday, October 13, 1940, Maryln Adams <mia3wolves@msn.com> wrote:
> >I collect old bottles, also. I have been told by antique dealers that
>the
> >value is ruined if you clean them. Most of my bottles come from garbage
> >dumps and have the rainbow patina. Cleaning ruins this. Of course, if
>you
> >are using them then they would have to be cleaned!
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: SWcushing@aol.com
> >>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> >>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> >>Subject: MtMan-List: Old Bottles
> >>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:53:20 EDT
> >>
> >>Hallo the List,
> >>
> >>Like some, it's hard for me to pass by a neat old bottle (hard to pass
>some
> >>neat new bottles too...<G>). I've got some real old ones in my
>collection,
> >>but some need the inside cleaned. I came up with the idea of using
> >>"efferdent" to soak the inside clean, but dinna work.
> >>Now I've got one full of vinegar, and will wait till tomorrow to see if
> >>that
> >>does the trick. Has anyone come up with a solution that works?
> >>
> >>Ymos,
> >>Magpie
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