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hist_text-digest Monday, July 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 824
In this issue:
-áááááá MtMan-List: Yahoo groups
-áááááá MtMan-List: Rifle question
-áááááá MtMan-List: mtn men and the 4th of July
-áááááá MtMan-List: King's Mountain Cancelled!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rifle question
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Rifle question
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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:27:08 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@cox-internet.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Yahoo groups
There is another, more specific group that may be of interest to history
list members. You are welcome to visit my group at the link below.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
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Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:24:34 -0400
From: "cd252" <cd252@ptd.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Rifle question
Hi,
What brand and or type of rifle is the most commonly seen at the most recent
Rendezvous
Also what percentage are cap locks???
Thanks,
Big Dave
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Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:31:51 EDT
From: Hawkengun@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: mtn men and the 4th of July
I'm putting together a short talk on Independence Day on the frontier for our
4th of July doins at Bent's Old Fort. I need any good references I can find
to the 4th from mtn. men, fur traders, Mexican War soldiers, Santa Fe Trail
teamsters, etc.
Much obliged,
John Sweet
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Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:37:24 -0400
From: "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: King's Mountain Cancelled!
In a surprise move, The South Carolina Department of Parks, Recreation and
Tourism has cancelled the Muzzleloading Conclave that has been held in
conjunction with Pioneer Days at King's Mountain State Park. Although the
event has been held without incident for the past 24 consecutive years and
has been very successful in generating badly needed revenue for the park, it
was cancelled citing safety concerns for Park visitors and shooters.
What is another good event on Sep 22 & 23 in the Eastern US? I have already
got the time off from work.
Possum
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:41:58 EDT
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle question
In a message dated 7/1/01 7:25:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cd252@ptd.net
writes:
<< What brand and or type of rifle is the most commonly seen at the most
recent
Rendezvous
Also what percentage are cap locks???
Thanks,
Big Dave
>>
Dave,
In our group of CoHT living historians it is a hodge-podge. NO caplocks.
Flint is good well into the RMFT era and after.
Are you asking as an academic endeavor or are you trying to decide on the
"best" gun for your reenacting needs? The reason I ask is I did the same
thing and got tons of input. I ended up getting a Lyman trade rifle in
flint...a good gun for reenacting later fur trade (RMFT), but I was in a
hurry so I failed to take the advice of those who told me that getting an
earlier PC gunstyle allows me to use it in that era and onward for all my
reenacting needs!!!!
Wish I had heeded and waited!!! I started out in RMFT and since gained an
interest in F&I as well. Now I have to get another firelock to be
PC...another generous chunk of change to be laid out!!! Could have avoided
that if I had taken the time to research the periods and chosen a gun that
would have been around then.
Generally, if it was seen "back east" you could be safe using it out west
(with some notable exceptions - please hold the artillery on answering that
last statement, camp!).
A good common "working rifle" or smoothbore of the earliest period you could
see yourself reenacting would do good. For instance, a Brown Bess could be
used for Rev. War and fur trade (yes, they did make their way west). There
was even a Confederate regiment outfitted with Besses.
I know that is a lot of advice, but if I can help someone not make an
expensive mistake then so much the better. Of course, if you did make that
mistake and HAD to get another ML gun - then so much the better!!!
- -C.Kent
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:00:47 -0700
From: "De Santis, Nick" <nick.de.santis@intel.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Rifle question
Big Dave,
Just another viewpoint. I shoot with a club in western Oregon that picked
the pre 1840 trapper era as our period of choice. We have rifle and trade
gun competitions as separate shooting classes. I think all of the trade
gunners are shooting flints. The rifle shooters are about 80% caps.
Although I have to say it can be wet a lot of the year around here and a hat
brim full of water in your frizzen can ruin an otherwise awesome shot...not
to mention it gives your friends an under their breath chuckle. Having said
that, I was beat hands down by a couple of rifle flinters in a trail walk
this spring that was more than a little damp with one of them recovering
from a frizzen full of water - and I shoot the modern way!
The other thing to consider is the cost. A pound of FFFF will last 5-10
years for priming at $7-10, and I am paying $4 per each 100 rounds with
caps! If you like to cut your own patches and cast your own ball, you can
be a real economical shooter by not using caps. But of course there are
those lousy rocks to find and hammer on....
A question for all you shooters: How may of you are shooting with a
"moose-milk" type of water soluble oil patch lube vs. the "bear-grease"
patch lube? I have been using the "moose-milk" now for a while and find I
have zero bore fouling for as many rounds as I want to go. I am strictly a
black powder man. Any comments?
Travler
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From: cd252 [mailto:cd252@ptd.net]
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 4:25 PM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Rifle question
Hi,
What brand and or type of rifle is the most commonly seen at the most recent
Rendezvous
Also what percentage are cap locks???
Thanks,
Big Dave
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