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hist_text-digest Sunday, June 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 817
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels
-áááááá MtMan-List: AMM Nationals
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:36:28 -0700
From: "John Funk" <j2hearts@shasta.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels
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Lanny,
Well, actually not. I was trying to see what current prices were on =
"shovels"...as I have one for sale and can't remember what the hell I =
paid for I this one I have. Bought it about 5 years ago. Used it, =
maybe, 6 times and don't need it in all reality. =20
So, if your interested, let me know............or if you know of any =
one.......It's like new and in good shape. Made very well.
Thanks for your response,
John Funk
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Lanney Ratcliff=20
To: History List=20
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:48 PM
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Period Shovels
Perhaps this is what you need. If not.......oh,well
Lanney Ratcliff
ARROWHEAD FORGE, RR1 BOX 25 WILMOT SD 57279,=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: CTOAKES@aol.com=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels
In a message dated 6/11/01 9:28:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20
ghickman9@home.com writes:=20
Do you have a website or address for Arrowhead?=20
Sorry I gave the catalog to someone and have not needed it as the =
stuff I got=20
from them hasn't broken. I will look in Smoke and Fire when I am at =
home=20
tonight maybe the info is in there.=20
Sorry I can't help.=20
Y.M.O.S.=20
C.T. Oakes=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Lanny,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Well, actually not. I was trying to see what =
current=20
prices were on "shovels"...as I have one for sale and can't remember =
what the=20
hell I paid for I this one I have. Bought it about 5 years =
ago. Used=20
it, maybe, 6 times and don't need it in all reality. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>So, if your interested, let me know............or if =
you know=20
of any one.......It's like new and in good shape. Made =
very=20
well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for your response,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>John Funk</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Damm1585@hyperusa.com =
href=3D"mailto:amm1585@hyperusa.com">Lanney=20
Ratcliff</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">History List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 14, 2001 =
6:48=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Fw: MtMan-List: Period =
Shovels</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Perhaps this is what you need. If=20
not.......oh,well</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Lanney Ratcliff</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><B>ARROWHEAD</B> <B>FORGE</B>, RR1 BOX 25 WILMOT =
SD 57279,=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3DCTOAKES@aol.com =
href=3D"mailto:CTOAKES@aol.com">CTOAKES@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:48 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In a =
message dated=20
6/11/01 9:28:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:ghickman9@home.com">ghickman9@home.com</A> writes: =
<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">Do you have a website or address for Arrowhead? =
</FONT><FONT=20
lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Sorry I gave the =
catalog to=20
someone and have not needed it as the stuff I got <BR>from them hasn't =
broken.=20
I will look in Smoke and Fire when I am at home <BR>tonight =
maybe the=20
info is in there. <BR><BR>Sorry I can't help. <BR><BR>Y.M.O.S. =
<BR><BR>C.T.=20
Oakes</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:49:51 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels
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John Funk wrote:
Lanny,
Well, actually not. I was trying to see what current prices were on =
"shovels"...as I have one for sale and can't remember what the hell I =
paid for I this one I have. Bought it about 5 years ago. Used it, =
maybe, 6 times and don't need it in all reality. =20
=20
So, if your interested, let me know............or if you know of any =
one.......It's like new and in good shape. Made very well.
Thanks for your response,
John Funk
John
Bring it to the rendezvous. Somebody will buy it.....
Lanney
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>John Funk wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Lanny,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Well, actually not. I was trying to see what =
current=20
prices were on "shovels"...as I have one for sale and can't remember =
what the=20
hell I paid for I this one I have. Bought it about 5 years =
ago. Used=20
it, maybe, 6 times and don't need it in all reality. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>So, if your interested, let me know............or if =
you know=20
of any one.......It's like new and in good shape. Made =
very=20
well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for your response,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>John Funk</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
<DIV>Bring it to the rendezvous. Somebody will buy it.....</DIV>
<DIV>Lanney</DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:59:49 -0400
From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels
My own experience, admittedly limited, leads me to
recall that there ain't too much Rocky Mountain
terrain readily dug with a shovel. <G> Picks, iron
bars, etc., likely much more effective.
Just my 2 cents,
Tom
Victoria Pate wrote:
>
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 17:52:19 -0500 John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
> writes:
> > Damn; I hate these questions.
>
> > I have been digging around since this question came up and can find
> > no listings for shovels or spades in trade lists, supply lists,
> > equipment inventories or blacksmith journals of the period in the
> region.
> > Lots of iron was traded and transported so the making of shovels wasn't
>
> > impossible, but, to date I haven't found any listings for same.
>
> One of my favorite books on the Fur Trade Era is "This Reckless
> Breed of Men-The Trappers and Fur Traders of the Southwest"
> by Robert Glass Cleland.
>
> Here is an excerpt from pages 136-137 of the 1963 edition:
>
> "Many important merchant of New Orleans and the Atlantic
> coast consigned their shipments for the West and the Santa
> Fe trade to St. Louis houses such as Chouteau, Pratte &
> Company. Much of the goods came up the Mississippi from
> New Orleans or down the Ohio from Pittsburgh and Louisville.
> The cargoes, extraordinarily mixed and varied, included:
>
>
> .......files,.....spades,......shovels,.......scythes,...saws......."
>
> The reference for these items and others is from the
> bills of lading and receipts of Henry P. Chouteau in the
> A. Chouteau Collection, Missouri Historical Society MSS.
>
> Beins Chouteau was involved in the RMFT, is it
> reasonable to assume some of these shovels
> made it to Rendezvous?
>
> Victoria
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:43:03 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <shootsprairie@hotmail.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: AMM Nationals
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I'm driving the iron mule to the AMM Nationals in Idaho from the Los =
Angeles area. I'll be leaving on the first weekend and I have room for =
a couple of brothers and their gear (no horses) who are heading that way =
and would like to ride along. I could use the company and some help =
with the rising gas prices. You boys from Nevada, Arizona and Utah are =
welcome if you want to transport yourself to my place for the ride up =
and back. I gotta be back in LA on the 7th for a wedding so it'll be =
about 4-5 days on site. Email me back or pass the word along to those =
still using 19th century technology.
Thanks,
Larry Huber #1517
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm driving the iron mule to the AMM =
Nationals in=20
Idaho from the Los Angeles area. I'll be leaving on the first =
weekend=20
and I have room for a couple of brothers and their gear (no horses) who =
are=20
heading that way and would like to ride along. I could use the =
company and=20
some help with the rising gas prices. You boys from Nevada, =
Arizona and=20
Utah are welcome if you want to transport yourself to my place for the =
ride up=20
and back. I gotta be back in LA on the 7th for a wedding so it'll =
be about=20
4-5 days on site. Email me back or pass the word along to those =
still=20
using 19th century technology.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry Huber =
#1517</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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