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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:43:10
From: "Chance Tiffie" <bossloper@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone.
<html><DIV>Walt,</DIV>
<DIV> I think Crazy provided the information for the source of the reference, if I can be of other assistance please let me know.</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:51:00
From: "Chance Tiffie" <bossloper@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone.
<html><DIV>Crazy,</DIV>
<DIV>It was such a fine mule, he was rentin' instead of sellin'. Charged Clark a fine westcoat just to ride it. Must of been one fine animal.....</DIV>
<DIV> I would give a jaw tooth for a look at that saddle. Oh well.</DIV>
<DIV>Sure wish I was bringing my mules to Idaho, I would camp right next to you. BG</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:24:53 -0600
From: "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@home.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: More Segars
Here are a couple articles related to Segars from the original papers that
Red Dog (Mitch Post) has for sale:
Columbian Centinel - Massachusetts Federalist
Boston
Oct 13, 1802
Best Spanish Segars,
for Sale at No. 3 Ann-Street,
400 boxes best Havana Segars, cheap, or
by the hundred.
General Advertiser - Philadelphia, PA
Friday Sept 10, 1802
Ten Dollars Reward
Deserted from the garrison of Ft Mifflin, in Complete Artillery Uniform,
John Leintz, A Private in my company; 37 years of age, 5ft 3in High, Black
Hair, Large Eyes, Dark Complexion, Born in Bilboa, Spain, by trade a Segar
Maker.
Whoever takes up said deserter and secures Him in any Jail or Delivers him
to any Officer in the Service of the United States shall receive above
reward with Reasonable Expenses.
H.M. Muhlenberg Capt
U.S. Arts. Commanding
I'll send out a few more items from the papers in the next few weeks. If
you're interested in buying some of the papers I think he is asking $60 a
paper. You can contact Red Dog at: Hiparoo@yahoo.com
YMOS
Ghosting Wolf AKA Gene Hickman
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<BR>I was just giving Cliff and Wynn a hard time about mules. But no means am I
<BR>in agreement with you. About Mules not being north of the Yellowstone. The
<BR>Yellowstone country was part of the lands where the Shoshoni called home. On
<BR>August 14th Lewis is in the Camp of the Lemhi Shoshoni on the Lemhi River
<BR>around present day Salmon Idaho. On the Aug. 19th they are on the Forks of
<BR>the Jefferson making preparations to go over Lemhi pass back to the Lemhi
<BR>village. The Lemhi tribe traded with the Flat Head and Nez Perce who's home
<BR>lands are a bit north of the Yellowstone country.
<BR>It appears the Nez Perce had Mules too. Lewis August 20th He is talking to a
<BR>Nez Perce man living with the Lemhi who said that he's tribe Traded for
<BR>horses, mules cloth, metal, beads and shells.
<BR>Walt
<BR>It appears your beating a dead horse here, or mule as it were.
<BR>Cliff
<BR>I wish ya could too. I always likes to have some fresh meat in camp. (G)
<BR>Be looking forward to havein ya in camp my friend see ya then.
<BR>Wynn
<BR>Ya long legged knot head, how are ya?
<BR>Ya know what ya get when ya cross a Spanish Barb with a Jack Ass?
<BR>A BARB ASS, enough said.
<BR>You said
<BR>A mules back is flatter than a horses so it would likely fit better on
<BR>it than on a horse.
<BR>They well maybe flatter but not that flat.
<BR>What is was getting at is maybe that is why them boys back then were have so
<BR>much trouble with them Mules (like Ferris) Do to poor fitting saddles and
<BR>sore back and the Mules nature to rebell against abuse. Those boys were hard
<BR>on there critters and used them up.
<BR>See ya on the trail
<BR>Crazy Cyot</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:46:30
From: "Chance Tiffie" <bossloper@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone.
<html><DIV>Walt,</DIV>
<DIV>I won't argue the location of Clark to the Yellowstone, I just might be wrong. I hope you enjoy your trip to Ft. Union, and enjoy finding out that Charles Larpenteur rode a mule named Simon.</DIV>
<DIV>Crazy,</DIV>
<DIV> I believe mule meat would be to rich for ya', and you would kill over from the squattin' trots....<BG></DIV>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:32:50 -0600
From: "Clay J. Landry" <landry@mcn.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone.
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If you do not have John Ewers book entitled "The Horse in Blackfoot =
Indian Culture" you should get a hold of a copy. Like all of Ewers' =
works it is well researched and full of interesting information. Anyone =
interested in the use (I would guess that means by both Anglos and =
Indians) and availability of mules north of the Yellowstone River in the =
early nineteenth century I would refer you to page 341 of this book. =
This page starts the "Appendix"=20
"Use of Mules". Just a few of the quotes from this appendix---=20
"David Thompson wrote of a Piegan raid on a Spanish party far to the =
southward, which may have occurred as early as 1787, in which these =
Indians captured many mules as well as horses". "He also describes =
another raid by the Piegan on the Shoshoni in 1787, during which the =
raiders took horses and 15 mules".=20
In another chapter of the book Ewers gives information about how mules =
were prized by the Blackfoot because they could carry more weight than a =
horse.
My personal preference for mountain trips is of course a Mule and has =
been so for many years. The Book of Buckskinng 7 contains several =
photos of myself and my all time favorite matched pair -"Peaches and =
Cream".
Peaches rode like dream an Cream could haul more than any two horses-not =
to mention the fact that they were just getting warm and loose when the =
horses traveling us were ready to call it a day!!
Clay Landry
Moorhead MT
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Subject: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone.
Clark wrote
"...one man met me with a mule and spanish saddle to ride, I gave him =
a westcoat a mule is considered of great value among these people..." =
August 19th 1805
I belive this would be a tad north of the yellowstone, and some what =
