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To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #803
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hist_text-digest Monday, May 21 2001 Volume 01 : Number 803
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Walnut dye
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Walnut dye
-áááááá MtMan-List: why walnut dye?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye?
-áááááá MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Flag
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye?
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:03:02 EDT
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Walnut dye
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You can buy walnut hulls ready for dyeing at any trapping supply dealer
Joe
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:06:00 -0400
From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Walnut dye
Excellent! Might you reference a couple of them?
Tom
TrapRJoe@aol.com wrote:
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> You can buy walnut hulls ready for dyeing at any trapping supply
> dealer
>
> Joe
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 17:00:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Sega <chrissega1@yahoo.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: why walnut dye?
I don't even recall theoriginal message in this
thread, so please don't think this is an attack in any
way. Were walnut Hulls a common dying material in the
supply areas of the RMFT? For that matter, unless
using homespun would anyone have dyed commercially
produced cloth with Walnut hulls in the supply areas
of the RMFT? Obviously a man from walnut country could
go into the trade wearing clothing produced with
local dyes and homespun from walnut country, but these
clothes would have soon wore out from hard use. Brown
dyes used in other parts of the country probably come
from local plants or some other method.
Why brown dye anyway? Just trying to spark some
discussion.
BTW: For a whole lotta discussion on walnut dye check
out the archive at historicaltrekking.com, if they
have one
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:37:28 EDT
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye?
In a message dated 5/20/1 05:01:11 PM, chrissega1@yahoo.com writes:
<<Why brown dye anyway? Just trying to spark some
discussion. >>
No spark needed. It is historically correct.
RJames
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:26:27 -0600
From: "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@home.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Flag
Lewis & Clark brought American flags as gifts. Was it not the 15 star, 15
stripe flag (Star Spangled Banner flag)? Would they have been cotton, wool,
linen, or linsey-woolsey? Is anyone selling them? With the bicentenial
coming up I would hope that someone is going to make some up.
YMOS
Ghosting Wolf
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:21:07 -0600
From: Charlie Webb <cwebbbpdr@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why walnut dye?
My thoughts are few and simple,
Women were proud of their ability to bleach their white laundry
in the sun light. This same white laundry possibly a mans shirt
would fairly well glow or be mighty visible in the dark forest. I
have no references that our early hunters or explorers had any
conception of what we today think of as camouflage, but they
weren't stupid enough to my way of thinking to go foraging
in hostile territory wearing bright or highly visible colors. To
begin with most of the available dyes were of a natural origin,
thus were probably very fugitive and would rapidly fade, even
when a mordant was used.. A test today is to take a brand
new analine dyed American Flag and hang it in sunlight for one
month. The result would be a faded to near grey flag. A berry
or other natural dye also fades very rapidly with repeated washings
and exposure to old Father Sun. I believe that many home made
garments were probably of the brightest dyes locally obtained.
But I also believe that a walnut dyed garment, would show less soil,
dirt or grime than a white or colored one would. Also that the
walnut dyed clothing would be of great benefit in stalking game
or as I mentioned before, in potential hostile surroundings. My
experience with any of the natural dyes regardless of color is
rapid fading, there fore I have re dyed all of my gear many times
or when ever I feel they needed it.
Perhaps I am wrong about all of this, but with open mind
I await the next idea or discovery that carries with it some bit
of provenance. Also for what it is worth, I am a very plain
guy, so the browns and greys obtained from walnut hulls
fit my persona perfectly.
Respectfully,
C Webb
> Why brown dye anyway? >
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