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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #794 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, April 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 794 In this issue: -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mole -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner -áááááá MtMan-List: WAS Questions on accoutrements NOW Load tie up or down? -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tents -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: torchecul -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tents -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements -áááááá MtMan-List: Turkey box calls -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Turkey box calls ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:52:20 -0700 From: Pat Quilter <pat_quilter@qscaudio.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements As an alternative to the historically dubious loading block, for rapid reloading, consider paper cartridges as used by the military. I'm not sure exactly how to make one, but a friend gave me a couple. A square of paper is twisted around the ball, necked off, and probably wrapped, damp, around a stick of approximately the same diameter to form a cylindrical pouch (like a giant twisted cigarette). After drying, a measure of powder is loaded in the paper chamber and the far end twisted off. To use, tear or bite off the powder end, pour down muzzle, and ram the ball down in its paper patch. Possibly the paper is greased. Remember the rumor spread in Britain's 19th century troops (from India) that the grease on their cartridges was pork-based? Hopefully a more expert rev-war expert can clarify this advice. Pat Quilter. - -----Original Message----- From: Les Chaffin [mailto:chaflesl@isu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:57 PM To: Mountain man Subject: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements I am trying to make put together some accoutrements for my shooting bag. What kinds of accoutrements are carried in or on a shooting pouch? One of the things that I want to do is make a loading block. How is a block made, what kind of wood is used? What is a cow's knee? Last question What is tow and where can a person get it? Thanks, Les - -- Les Chaffin mailto:chaflesl@isu.edu Twin Fall, Idaho - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:09:59 -0400 From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements Pat, I use "Yeager patched" ball. For both the rifle & Trade Gun... Documented to the 17thC. Just wrap patch around ball, tie off with a thin tie, trim and dip in hot grease (or whatever you use).... Loads FAST(!) and is accurate.. When I expect a second fast shot, I put one in my cheek..... L.P. started using them and dinnit cuss me too bad with his results.. D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:28:37 -0500 From: Todd <farseer@swbell.net> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements Digging through m'bag, here's what we find. Brass box with prelubed = (not precut) strips of ticking, small bag holding 30 ball (overkill I = realize, but good for a day at the range), a short starter, leather bag = containing a jag, patchworm, ball puller, tow, and scraps of linen to = use as cleaning patches, hand forged screwdriver (by yours truly) and an = atler tine for knapping flints, priming horn on a thong (goes around my = neck when I head out), small leather wallet with flints, and a spare = vent pick, small brass box holding my earplugs (sorry, but I kinda like = being able to hear, lost enough listening to loud stereos). Hand = carved measure, vent pick and pan brush are on thongs, that tuck into = the pouch when moving through the brush. Patch knife is in a sheath on = the outside of the pouch. I made a loading blcok, but I generally = only use it on the range or hunting. Made it from 1/2" walnut. = Planed it down a little, and drilled 1/2" holes. The ALRA (American = Long Rifle Association) presently has both short starters and loading = blocks under challenge, meaning they are still waiting on FIRM = documentation before allowing those at pre-1810 events. My powder horn = is a plain, antiqued horn, with a hand carved, fiddle pege style plug, = hanging from a finger woven sash. =20 There ya go. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Les Chaffin > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:57 PM > To: Mountain man > Subject: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements >=20 >=20 > I am trying to make put together some accoutrements for my shooting = bag. > What kinds of accoutrements are carried in or on a shooting pouch? > One of the things that I want to do is make a loading block. How is a > block made, what kind of wood is used? > What is a cow's knee? > Last question What is tow and where can a person get it? >=20 > Thanks, > Les > -- > Les Chaffin mailto:chaflesl@isu.edu > Twin Fall, Idaho >=20 >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:30:13 -0400 From: "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner I wrote: >>It will get black powder and pyrodex fowling out of your barrel and leave it clean as a whistle. Then Dave wrote: > So will plain, cold water; so why use the concoction? <SNIP> >OTOH, it leaves the bore lubed after cleaning so you don't have to oil it up right away. Just answered your own question! Seems like the peroxide suds up the oil soap and the alcohol cuts the fowling a bit better, especially home made powder fowling. It was how I was taught by the SC State champion shooter. Figgured he knowed what he was doing. At a historical event I only use soap and water. I have seen everything from auto windshield washer fluid to kerosene used to clean guns at the range. I use what works well for me. He asked me what was in my sack, not what was the best gun cleaner anyways. > > Hydrogen peroxide is an oxidizer. That's why they make rocket fuel out of it. Rocket fuel is 100% H2O2 There aint enough oxygen in the 3% bottles at the drug store to make much difference in the way things burn. > >Now, mix that with a flammable like alcohol and what do you have. Gun cleaner <VBG> > >There is at least one documented case of a bottle of your suggested cleaning solution exploding while sitting in the sun on the firing line. How much cleaner did he have in that jug? A big ole gallon glass jug with the lid screwed on tight will bust in the sun with just water in it. That wouldnt happen with my period correct pint jug. If it did build up any pressure, it would just push the cork out of the neck. > >What if it was sitting next to a lb of powder? You would have a wet pound of powder. That was just the bottle busting with the vapor pressure, not a burning explosion. When I clean my Hawken with this mixture during a shoot, I have to snap several caps to dry out the barrel so the gun will fire. Not once has this "Rocket Fuel" flamed in my gun. Not even at night around the camp fire when we were all cleaning our guns for the next day. I have never seen it flame up in the barrel. Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:40:09 -0400 From: "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements Pat Quilter wrote: > As an alternative to the historically dubious loading block, for rapid reloading, consider paper cartridges as used by the military. <SNIP> > Possibly the paper is greased The paper is "touch paper" You make it my disloving saltpeter in warm water till no more will disolve, then soaking the paper in this mixture and then when it dries, you have the paper used to make your cartridges. Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:16:56 -0600 From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mole Great stuff! I used it for a hot drink, a sweet after dinner and my friends have used it dipped in their coffee. Doesn't hardly melt in the sun but does smear when wet. Like Tom said, it is made of coarser ingredients than many are used to but is good in camp. mike. tom roberts wrote: > The product you reference is called "Ibarra", it's > made in Guadalajara, contains sugar, cocoa paste, and > "lecitina y sabor canela", and it's rather gritty. > It's hard as stone and keeps pretty much forever unless > the bugs get it first. > > Tom > > Chris Sega wrote: > > > > Mole is a combination of ground chile spices and sweet > > ingredients, there could be chocolate in it as it > > varies from recipie to recipie. It is not a drink > > however, as I have only seen it used as a sauce or > > marinade for meat. You can get a kind of chocolate > > that is much like what was drunk in the spanish > > colonies of the era. It comes in 4" round disks, and > > is composed of coacoa (sp) granulated sugar and > > cinnamon. Comes in a little octagonal paper box that > > is red and yellow and the only brandname I can > > remember is Abuelas or something like that. Check > > your local mexican market. It's not at all like swiss > > miss. I grew up in Taos NM and don't ever recall > > drinking it there, it is apparently popular in Mexico. > > > > Sega > > > > Sega > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:35:18 -0500 From: Todd <farseer@swbell.net> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner On another discussion board, this was discussed at length by a chemist, = who's also a black powder enthusiast. He can tell you with great = precision the salts and residues left behind by black powder, and has = run several studies to determine the best cleaner. He uses water. = Plain, cold, water. 100% of the residue of black powder is water = soluble. Everything else is just extra. I seem to have the best = results using plain water.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Possum Hunter > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:30 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner >=20 >=20 > I wrote: > >>It will get black powder and pyrodex fowling out of your barrel=20 > and leave > it clean as a whistle. >=20 > Then Dave wrote: > > So will plain, cold water; so why use the concoction? > <SNIP> > >OTOH, it leaves the bore lubed after cleaning so you don't have to = oil it > up right away. >=20 > Just answered your own question! Seems like the peroxide suds up the = oil > soap and the alcohol cuts the fowling a bit better, especially home = made > powder fowling. It was how I was taught by the SC State champion = shooter. > Figgured he knowed what he was doing. At a historical event I=20 > only use soap > and water. I have seen everything from auto windshield washer fluid to > kerosene used to clean guns at the range. I use what works well for = me. He > asked me what was in my sack, not what was the best gun cleaner = anyways. > > > > Hydrogen peroxide is an oxidizer. That's why they make rocket=20 > fuel out of > it. >=20 > Rocket fuel is 100% H2O2 There aint enough oxygen in the 3% bottles at = the > drug store to make much difference in the way things burn. > > > >Now, mix that with a flammable like alcohol and what do you have. >=20 > Gun cleaner <VBG> > > > >There is at least one documented case of a bottle of your suggested > cleaning solution exploding while sitting in the sun on the firing = line. >=20 > How much cleaner did he have in that jug? A big ole gallon glass jug = with > the lid screwed on tight will bust in the sun with just water in it. = That > wouldnt happen with my period correct pint jug. If it did build up any > pressure, it would just push the cork out of the neck. > > > >What if it was sitting next to a lb of powder? >=20 > You would have a wet pound of powder. That was just the bottle=20 > busting with > the vapor pressure, not a burning explosion. > When I clean my Hawken with this mixture during a shoot, I have to = snap > several caps to dry out the barrel so the gun will fire. Not once has = this > "Rocket Fuel" flamed in my gun. Not even at night around the camp=20 > fire when > we were all cleaning our guns for the next day. I have never seen it = flame > up in the barrel. >=20 > Possum >=20 >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:53:37 -0400 From: "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements Lee I almost forgot when I wrote about Moose Milk. I have not taken up the moose dairy business. Moose Milk is a bore cleaner made of one part Murphy's Oil Soap, One part Hydrogen Peroxide and 2 parts 190proof grain alcohol. It will get black powder and pyrodex fowling out of your barrel and leave it clean as a whistle. Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:02:06 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements Les, In the top pocket of my shooting bag I carry an extra flint, tow worm, 4 or 5 balls (usually prepatched as Dennis described ), and a small roll of greased patching material. In the body of the bag I carry several rolls of patching (at least one greased), a screwdriver/knapper, vent pick, brass tube of bear oil, a hank of tow, several flints, a piece of buckskin for flint leather, a small sharpening stone, flint and steel, and a tin of char. In a buckskin bag that hangs on my belt, I carry another 10 to 12 balls. My powder measure is tied to the neck of my powder horn, on a short whang. As Dennis said, I don't recommend carrying anything hanging on the outside of the bag. That stuff gets in your way, and is just waiting to get hung up in the brush or lost. Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:16:24 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner Todd, You are right ! Plain water is the way to. It was good enough for our forefathers and it still is today. Don't need no chemicals and such to a gun. Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:08:46 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: WAS Questions on accoutrements NOW Load tie up or down? In a message dated 4/24/01 7:10:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, deforge1@bright.net writes: << Just wrap patch around ball, tie off with a thin tie, trim and dip in hot grease (or whatever you use).... Loads FAST(!) and is accurate.. >> D, Do you load these with the tie up or down? What patching do you use? Also, just out of curiosity, what caliber do you shoot mostly - -C.kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:16:11 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner Todd, You are right ! Plain water is the way to. It was good enough for our forefathers and it still is today. Don't need no chemicals and such to clean a gun. Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:14:13 -0500 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner This is a historic discussion list. Modern expedients are never proper topics -- no matter the question. Please stay on topic. It is not important or relevant what any paper puncher does -- paper was too expensive to waste on such foolishness during our period of interest. For another period bore solvent other than plain water search the archives for my favorite period field expedient, in a handy dispenser. John... At 07:30 PM 4/24/01 -0400, Possum wrote: > It was how I was taught by the SC State champion shooter. >Figgured he knowed what he was doing. At a historical event I only use soap >and water. I have seen everything from auto windshield washer fluid to >kerosene used to clean guns at the range. I use what works well for me. He >asked me what was in my sack, not what was the best gun cleaner anyways. Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:20:00 -0500 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents Ahh -- the blessings and joys of indentured servitude. Unless you're the servant. Poor Ferral. Magpie thought he had it tough with the Capitain. John... At 07:15 AM 4/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >John, >You can stay in mine, if I can get Ferral to pack it in?. >YMOS >Ole # 718 >---------- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin 1759 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:22:39 -0500 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: torchecul Dick, It always pleases me to make your day. John... At 11:42 AM 4/24/01 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/23/1 09:14:15 PM, kramer@kramerize.com writes: > ><<By the late eighteenth century both torchecul and bumfodder were > >colloquialisms for "soft paper for the necessary.">> > >Thanks, John. That's what I needed to make my day. I'm going back to bed >now. See ya tomorrow. >Dick J ____________________________________________________________ "The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are the constitutional rights secure." -- Albert Einstein - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:50:06 -0400 From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner About a year ago I switched from a homemade concoction which I had used faithfully for a long time to plain water (followed by a heavily greased patch) and the barrels clean just as good. Probably better since some lubricant remains in the pores of the metal instead of getting dissolved. The only thing I would add is that I use hot water when I can since it evaporates quicker. Tom Todd wrote: > > On another discussion board, this was discussed at length by a chemist, who's also a black powder enthusiast. He can tell you with great precision the salts and residues left behind by black powder, and has run several studies to determine the best cleaner. He uses water. Plain, cold, water. 100% of the residue of black powder is water soluble. Everything else is just extra. I seem to have the best results using plain water. > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:36:34 -0400 From: "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaner John Kramer wrote: > For another period bore solvent other than plain water search the archives for my favorite period field expedient, in a handy dispenser. ] Well, I just had to try it so... I shot a couple of rounds with my hawken using my home made powder and....Works like a champ! "Use what ya got" in action! Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:00:51 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:10:38 -0700 "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> writes: > > > One of the things that I want to do is make a loading block. How > is a block made, I have used several types and am presently using one that only holds 3 balls---but has holes drilled at 90 degreed that holds the powder and has a line with a cork to plug them up---that way pull a cork pour the powder and ram the ball---dont carry a horn sometimes in the woods deer hunting use this thing---also if you have a 50 cal drill a hole about 1/2 inch then take a round rattail file and cut some slots in the hole this holde the lube and doesnt squish it all out when you put the ball in the block---I usually use about 3 or 4 slotsin each hole in the animal---works for me--- Niff said--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:53:17 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:43:59 -0400 "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com> writes: > Tow is the stringy fiber left over from making linen cloth from flax. It makes a dandy bore scrubber and then when you are done cleaning your gun,> makes the best fire starting tinder known to man. go to any hobby shop and look for their heavy hemp that they use for macromay---can buy a roll of it for less than a couple of bucks its the same as to that you pay a lot more for from other sources---and it works for fire starting too--- BTW a cows knee is a formed leather attachment for flinters that covers the frizzen and the pan and is used during wet weather to help keep moisture out of the pan and in that area---it in its final form looks like a knee thus the name---it is usually formed of one piece of leather and has a tye strap to hold it in place--- Nuff said--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:28:07 -0600 From: Todd Glover <tetontodd@juno.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements one small aspect of what we are doing in historical re-enactment is "authenticity." for a cleaning solution stick with water. For a little variety try heating it up. "Teton" Todd D. Glover http://homestead.juno.com/tetontodd/index.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:09:16 -0600 From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements At 01:56 PM 04/24/2001 -0600, you wrote: >I am trying to make put together some accoutrements for my shooting bag. >What kinds of accoutrements are carried in or on a shooting pouch? >One of the things that I want to do is make a loading block. How is a >block made, what kind of wood is used? >What is a cow's knee? >Last question What is tow and where can a person get it? > >Thanks, >Les Hey Les, you old dog! Get out ont the ground with us again and we'll fix you up with all sorts of shootin' stuff! And trappin' stuff, and horse stuff, etc....... Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:19:29 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements > The paper is "touch paper" You make it my disloving saltpeter in warm water > till no more will disolve, then soaking the paper in this mixture and then > when it dries, you have the paper used to make your cartridges. Possum, Welcome to the list. Touch Paper is paper treated with saltpeter as you say but it is not used for military style cartridges. Those types of cartridges were made from plain paper in whatever form it could be found. News print was popular during the Rev War. And outside of a military use, it was not normally done by the hunter or casual shooter since they are not particularly accurate and really only work in large bore muskets and foulers. If touch papers is used for cartridges at all, it is used to make combustible cartridges for breech loading Percussion Sharps rifles and their like or for cap and ball revolvers such as the Colt and Remingtons. It may also have been used as an aid to starting fire with a spark from your flint and steel but not in wilderness conditions since the materials and ingredients were not available. Historically speaking of course. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:09:19 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents John, Looking forword to the camp, I guess that you will not be joining Lance this Labor Day. You could have even got me to make some Barbecue in my Dutch Oven. It's a terrible thing Ferral has one thing left to do an he will no longer be my camp tender. I will have to get me a new victim I mean Pilgrim. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents >Date: Tue, Apr 24, 2001, 7:20 PM > >Ahh -- the blessings and joys of indentured servitude. Unless you're the >servant. Poor Ferral. Magpie thought he had it tough with the Capitain. > >John... > > >At 07:15 AM 4/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >>John, >>You can stay in mine, if I can get Ferral to pack it in?. >>YMOS >>Ole # 718 >>---------- > >"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for >lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." > >Benjamin Franklin 1759 > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:09:35 -0700 From: Les Chaffin <chaflesl@isu.edu> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements Allan, I am slowly getting back into the mountain man stuff. I will try an get out with you guys. I wish I could do the horse stuff but getting a horse right now or in the near future will not happen. Unless my rich uncle get out of the poor house. Keep me informed on camps. Thanks, Les Les Chaffin, Idaho State University - Twin Falls - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Sega <chrissega1@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Questions on accoutrements As for the paper patch, it doesn't really work in a rifled barrel, If the mtn men needed a quick shot, no patch was used, the fouling in the barrel is usually enough to hold the ball onto the powder if you shoot again quickly, but accuracy does leave somethin to be desired. Jus make sure they are close when you shoot.<BG> Sega __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:08:53 -0400 From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Turkey box calls This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0CDA2.05B1AC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This question is from a friend of mine.(Yes, I have a friend or two....) = Can anyone help?? D "How far back do turkey box calls go and be correct? 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