Check this site for one man's supposedly educated opinion:
http://www.word-detective.com/101800.html
Noah Webster's 1828 make this reference:
Drawers
5. Drawers, in the plural, a close under garment worn on the lower limbs.
Dean Rudy wrote this in 1996:
I've found a number of references to "woolen drawers" being sold there in the 1834-37 period. One of the buyers was our old friend Osborne Russell!
My interpretation of this is that they were in fact available in the mountains and were actually used by ordinary trappers. I would guess the style is that of breeches reaching just below the knee.
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I have read that the "Union Suit" as we know it today wasn't available until the western movement and very popular 10 years after the fur trade later years.
The bloomers, drawers or breeches where from the early F&I period (or earlier) through the fur trade as stated; saw a sketch in an early Phila. Gazzett advertisement (late 1700's) showing breeches with a long tailed shirt that was split up the sides (about to mid thigh) to allow it to be pulled through the crouch to make an air tight arrangement like the later union suit in keeping out drafts. The ad was talking about a new flannel fabric just arriving from the finest mills in England. Hope this helps Roadkill.
Thanks for your time, take care.
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:39:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Buck Conner <buck_conner@email.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Long under wear
Roadkill
I don't know if long johns are period or not.....I doubt it......but I don't wear them. What I failed to include in my post is a description of my own drawers.(....the first person who comments about their size might wind up on my bad side.) They are essentially draw-string, knee length muslin pants with no fly at all...and one identical pair of Canton Flannel.....light canvas on one side of the fabric and cotton flannel on the other. Don't have any wool, but would in a heartbeat if I camped in really cold weather.
YMOS
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For those that don't know what Lanney means about size, lets just say he makes Rosey Greer look average, that's real close, if you don't know who Rosey is try the WWF star "Big Show". That was being nice Lanney, but just how much material did that take !
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:36:49 -0700
From: "Clay J. Landry" <landry@mcn.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Long under wear
Both wool and cotton drawers were available and used in the
mountains-"Canton Flannel" which was cotton, as well as wool and green
"floor cloth" were all purchased and used by the trappers of Fort Hall in
the 1830's. The AMFC records show the famous brigade leader Andrew Dripps
purchasing "2 pairs white flannel Drawers" in 1833. For more detailed
information on this topic I would refer you to page 29 of the Book of
Buckskinning VII.
Just about all of the trade ledgers, Rendezvous inventory lists and fur
trade posts records indicate that "Red flannel" shirts were very popular
among the mountaineers. In 1834 Fort union had 200 in inventory.
<BR>I tried to contact Gohn Brothers thru information and could not get it.
<BR>Must be something wrong or changed with ether Gohn Brothers or Middlebury,
<BR>Indiana. Any one know how to contact them?
<BR>Thanks Roadkill</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:45:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Buck Conner <buck_conner@email.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Long under wear
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Long under wear
Both wool and cotton drawers were available and used in the mountains-"Canton Flannel" which was cotton, as well as wool and green "floor cloth" were all purchased and used by the trappers of Fort Hall in the 1830's. The AMFC records show the famous brigade leader Andrew Dripps purchasing "2 pairs white flannel Drawers" in 1833. For more detailed information on this topic I would refer you to page 29 of the Book of Buckskinning VII.
Just about all of the trade ledgers, Rendezvous inventory lists and fur trade posts records indicate that "Red flannel" shirts were very popular among the mountaineers. In 1834 Fort union had 200 in inventory.
Clay Landry
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Hey Clay,
How have you wintered, you have been missed, thank you for adding to this subject, nice to hear from you.
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:11:44 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Re: Long under wear
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Roadkill,
Got it!!!
Gohn Bros.
105 South Main
Box 1110
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accepting credit cards.
Lanney
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