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To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #765
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hist_text-digest Monday, March 12 2001 Volume 01 : Number 765
In this issue:
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
-áááááá MtMan-List: powder horn
-áááááá MtMan-List: Places to see
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Places to see
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Places to see
-áááááá MtMan-List: .54 cal ball size
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
-áááááá MtMan-List: lookin for tipi
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: lookin for tipi
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
-áááááá MtMan-List: Digest
-áááááá MtMan-List: Terry Johnston
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Long under wear
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Long under wear
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Long under wear
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:50:01 -0600
From: Todd <farseer@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
I heard you. It's been kinda quiet this weekend. Not a lot going on =
I guess. =20
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:51:13 EST
From: DSJohn2@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
I heard you also and I agree folks must be out in the woods
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:09:58 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
In a message dated 3/10/01 8:52:07 PM, DSJohn2@aol.com writes:
<< I heard you also and I agree folks must be out in the woods
>>
Naw..... I think most of us were at the BP/Mt man show in Enumclaw....the
place was packed! Managed to pick up a nice beaver and European hare felt hat
made by S. Rush, and damn if I don't look good in it!.....<G>
I looked all over for Laura Jean and her books, but couldn't find
her.....rats. Send me one Laura. I had to leave early to watch my kid's tribe
beat up Capt Lahti's tribe and place 3rd in the State basketball tournament.
(We lost to Kennewick last year, something Roger has pointed out on
occasion)....<G>
Anyway, it was good seeing a lot of my AMM brothers and friends there, and
for those I missed, I'll track you down in the woods later...
Ymos,
Magpie
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:13:17 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
Magpie wrote:
...........Naw..... I think most of us were at the BP/Mt man show in
Enumclaw....the
place was packed! Managed to pick up a nice beaver and European hare felt
hat
made by S. Rush, and damn if I don't look good in it!.....<G>
I looked all over for Laura Jean and her books, but couldn't find
her.....rats. Send me one Laura.
Magpie,
Laura Jean was there yesterday and will be there today. She called last
night and told me she sold 37 copies, which she considered good, especially
since she is possibly the only "one item" trader at the show.
YMOS
Lanney
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 09:11:57 -0700
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican
Hello Victoria,
From the reference it reads like it is the pemmican of the Canadian fur
trade that you are referring to. Commercial pemmician and family pemmican
were apparently 2 different things. My Crow friends still make pemmican
each year for their traditional meals of pemmican, dried meat and berries
for desert. All clean good stuff. Not the rawhide hard stuff we have read
about in this 2001 pemmican thread from various sources. I usually get a
chance to participate in a traditional meal once a year at the reenactment
on June 25 on the banks of the Little Big Horn at the Real Bird Ranch. Try
some of the good pemmician, you might like it!
Walt
> ("Empire of the Bay-An Illustrated History of the
> Hudson's Bay Company" by Peter C. Newman,
> 1989, page 121)
>" I had always looked forward to my first bite
> of pemmican, but after reading this............
> Perhaps it is an aquired taste. <G>" > Victoria
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:30:53 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
In a message dated 3/11/01 6:12:48 AM, amm1585@hyperusa.com writes:
<< especially
since she is possibly the only "one item" trader at the show. >>
Haaaaaa...... that's probably why I couldn't find her! There was so much
plunder there I was blinded by it all. If I don't see her sooner, I'm sure
she'll pack all those books into Frog (about a mile or two) and I'll catch
her there.....<G.
Ymos,
Magpie
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:40:21 -0800
From: "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican
Walt Foster wrote:
> My Crow friends still make pemmican each year for their traditional meals
of pemmican, dried meat and berries for desert. All clean good stuff.
<SNIP>
>Try some of the good pemmician, you might like it!
Walt,
How hard would it be to talk you into sending some of that good Pemmican
back East to me? Purty Please <VBG>
Possum
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:01:07 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
> Naw..... I think most of us were at the BP/Mt man show in Enumclaw....the
> place was packed! Managed to pick up a nice beaver and European hare felt
hat
> made by S. Rush, and damn if I don't look good in it!.....<G>
Magpie,
I'd probably look better in it than you do. I missed seeing the hats but saw
Ms. Laura Jean so I got the better of the deal. Got a book too! My wife has
it practically read through on our trip home today. It was a great show with
lots of Brothers at hand from all over. Almost more than come to the
Nationals. <G>
So, Magpie, are you coming to Bonnie Lake and up on the Palouse?
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:20:51 -0500
From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
So Capt..
Did you give her that kiss I sent wi' you , Lad??
D
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:31:38 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
> So Capt..
> Did you give her that kiss I sent wi' you , Lad??
> D
>
D.
You bet I did! I think she liked it too. <G> I said, as I hugged her close,
"This is from me and this is from Dennis". I probably did it better than you
could have anyway. I'll fill in for you any time, right after I do for me.
<G>
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:29:09 -0600
From: "no" <no@gpcom.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: powder horn
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If any one wants to take a look,
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1415266751
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:27:29 -0600
From: "Douglas Hepner" <dullhawk@texomaonline.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Places to see
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Hello all,
I am taking my wife and her parents to Cleveland Ohio so that they =
can show us where their family is from. Anyway, the route we are going =
is Interstate 30 at Hot Springs Arkansas to Little Rock then Interstate =
40 to Memphis Tennesee then Hwy 51 to Fulton Then Wendall H. Ford =
Parkway to Elizabethtown Kentucky Then Interstate 65 to Louisville =
Kentucky and then finally Interstate 71 to Cleveland. My question is are =
there any fur trade or pre-1840 must sees?
I remain YMOS,
Watchum Possum
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2> I am =
taking my=20
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family is from. Anyway, the route we are going is Interstate 30 at Hot =
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Arkansas to Little Rock then Interstate 40 to Memphis Tennesee then Hwy =
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:35:51 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 09:11:57 -0700 "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
writes:
> Hello Victoria,
>
> From the reference it reads like it is the pemmican of
> the Canadian fur trade that you are referring to.
> Commercial pemmician and family pemmican
> were apparently 2 different things..... Try some of the good
> pemmician, you might like it!
>
> Walt
>
Hi Walt,
You and Barney have persuaded me not to be
squeamish about trying pemmican. If I don't like
it, I can always give it to my fur child. She'll eat
anything!
BTW, I'm reading "French Fur Traders
and Voyageurs in the American West" edited by
LeRoy R. Hafen. Janet Lecompte wrote an intriguing
introduction. She has a definite difference of opinion
with a few parts of Robert Glass Cleland's book!
("This Reckless Breed of Men:The Trappers and Fur
Traders of the Southwest")
Thanks for referring to Hafen's book in a post you wrote
to Ole awhile back. It's interesting and was worth the
effort in tracking it down.
Victoria
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:50:45 EST
From: Ssturtle1199@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Places to see
Might want to stop at Dixie Gun Works in Union City, Tn. Only other forts
would be Civil War stuff, and the West Tn. CW History is not that impressive.
Till trails cross
Turtle
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:36:18 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Places to see
Dullhawk, Don't know if your route can be varied slightly, or maybe on the
return leg, but NE of Tulsa, not far off I40 is the Davis Gun Museum in
Claremore, OK. IMO, it's a must-see. Lots of originals; from guns and
musical instruments to beer steins. Barney
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:21:50 -0600
From: "Best, Dianne" <dbest@hydro.mb.ca>
Subject: MtMan-List: .54 cal ball size
Thanks Frank for the detailed description on "test fitting" round balls. I
am going to try that.
To hawknest, thanks for the offer. I will post again later if I need an
assortment of round balls. I have a .45 on order and that is the gun I want
to work up a load for. The .54 is my old flintlock but it isn't a "good
quality" gun, so I am not worried about it being accurate. If I like the
.45, I will sell the .54 and let the buyer work out his (her) own loads.
Thanks all for the advice.
Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne)
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:59:15 -0500
From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
Thanks Roger, but from the sounds of it, you had waaaay too much fun in my
behest.><G> I will do me own huggin' from now on!
D
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:12:02 -0700
From: Joe Brandl <jbrandl@wyoming.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: lookin for tipi
Looking for a 14 ft tipi, cover, liner,
thanks
joe
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:24:51 EST
From: Iambrainey@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: lookin for tipi
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Try strongdefender@juno.com
He has a 16' with the works.
Ben
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:22:01 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:12 -0600
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> Thanks Roger, but from the sounds of it, you had waaaay too much fun in my
> behest.><G> I will do me own huggin' from now on!
Dennis,
I kinda enjoyed the assignment. But you got to be there to do your own. If
your not, I will assume you would want me to cover for you which, as a
Brother, I will. <G>
My wife came down with a cold on the way over to the show and by Sunday was
in no shape to take a turn driving back. I gave her Ms. Laura Jean's book to
read. She devoured it. Couldn't put it down. Well, she did set it aside on
one particularly winding stretch of road down through the Ellensburg Canyon.
The motion while looking down was making her nauseous. Finally handed it to
me last night just before bed saying she had finished.
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:25:44 -0600
From: "Ethan Sudman" <EthanSudman@home.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Digest
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I will be switching to the digest... easier to keep up with...
I will still be able to send to the list, right?
Thanks,
Ethan Sudman (ethansudman@home.com)
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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:47:21 EST
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Terry Johnston
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I understand He is in the hospital in Billings.
Mark "Roadkill" Loader
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:56:43 EST
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Long under wear
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Watched Jeff Hengesbaugh & Wes Housier's video Dress and Equipage of the
Mountain Men 1820-1840. They say mountain men wore under ware and then show
Jeff and another person in red long john under ware. Does anyone know when
union suits were first made?
Stay out of the Rut
Roadkill
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<BR>Jeff and another person in red long john under ware. Does anyone know when
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:04:53 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Long under wear
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Roadkill
I spent about 15 minutes at Google.com (searching for "long johns") and =
found several bits if information:
Lanney Ratcliff
Check this for more information than you might want to read:
http://www.vintageskivvies.com/pages/archives.html
Check this site for one man's supposedly educated opinion:
http://www.word-detective.com/101800.html
Noah Webster's 1828 make this reference:
Drawers
1. One who draws or pulls; one who takes water from a well; one who =
draws liquors from a cask.
2. That which draws or attracts, or has the power of attraction.
3. He who draws a bill of exchange or an order for the payment of money.
4. A sliding box in a case or table, which is drawn at pleasure.
5. Drawers, in the plural, a close under garment worn on the lower =
limbs.
Dean Rudy wrote this in 1996:
Dean Rudy (drudy@montek.com)
Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:43:24 -0700=20
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In a recent posting, Terry Koenig wrote
>Seems like some article in the T&L said something to the effect that
>long johns weren't period - can't recall exactly what it said or what
>issue it was in.
Here's some info on that subject I could pass on - In the Fort Hall
Account Books (I've got to get these scanned in and on-line one of
these days) I've found a number of references to "woolen drawers"
being sold there in the 1834-37 period. One of the buyers was our old
friend Osborne Russell! My interpretation of this is that they were in
fact available in the mountains and were actually used by ordinary
trappers. I would guess the style is that of breeches reaching just
below the knee. A company named Past Patterns sells a pattern for
drawers that is supposedly researched for that period, so that may well
be the style worn by Russell and the trappers based at Fort Hall.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Roadkill</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I spent about 15 minutes at Google.com (searching =
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johns") and found several bits if information:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Lanney Ratcliff</FONT></DIV>
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href=3D"http://www.vintageskivvies.com/pages/archives.html">http://www.vi=
ntageskivvies.com/pages/archives.html</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Check this site for one man's supposedly educated=20
opinion:</FONT></DIV>
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href=3D"http://www.word-detective.com/101800.html">http://www.word-detect=
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Noah Webster's 1828 make this =
reference:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>1. One who draws or pulls; one who takes water from =
a well;=20
one who draws liquors from a cask.<BR>2. That which draws or attracts, =
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the power of attraction.<BR>3. He who draws a bill of exchange or an =
order for=20
the payment of money.<BR>4. A sliding box in a case or table, which is =
drawn at=20
pleasure.<BR>5. Drawers, in the plural, a close under garment worn on =
the lower=20
limbs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dean Rudy wrote this in 1996:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dean Rudy (<I>drudy@montek.com</I>)<BR><I>Thu, 22 =
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09:43:24 -0700</I>=20
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knee. A=20
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Thanks Lanney I will look for the drawers pattern by past patterns. You als
answered the question hand sew or machine sew.
Thanks agin Mark "Roadkill" Loader
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