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hist_text-digest        Saturday, March 3 2001        Volume 01 : Number 759



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan
-áááááá MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan
-áááááá MtMan-List: history, but not RMFT
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: history, but not RMFT
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan
-áááááá MtMan-List: List Moderator - OT
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan
-áááááá MtMan-List: jerky
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: jerky
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: jerky
-áááááá MtMan-List: OT :  Mad Cow / Chronic Wasting Disease
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: jerky
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: jerky
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: jerky
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: jerky
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OT :  Mad Cow / Chronic Wasting Disease
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: jerky
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: jerky
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OT :  Mad Cow / Chronic Wasting Disease

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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:57:23 -0700
From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan

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I made a set of those copper canister kettles they work great cost me =
all of 5.00 [picked up the canisters at the local second hand store] =
money well spent.
the middle size is just about the right  to fit in a saddle bag
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Roger Lahti=20
  To: [e-mail]=20
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 10:41 PM
  Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan


  Roadkill,
  =20
  You can get by with what ever pot you have. Most of the pots used =
during that time were either straight sided or slightly flared. A big =
coffee can or smaller one is easily converted by putting a couple anchor =
points on opposite sides and bending some heavy wire between them. A =
fella could make a nice nesting set using different sizes of tin cans up =
to the largest coffee can made. Cut a couple fittings for the sides in =
the shape of an upside down "T". Drill a hole in the leg of the "T" and =
a couple smaller ones in each "arm". Rivet the "T" upside down to the =
sides on both sides of the pot and spread the legs out a bit. Bend some =
grape wire for a handle and there you have it. You can also covert a =
copper "canister" (originally used for holding dry ingredients like =
sugar, coffee, etc. into a nice boiler complete with lid for next to =
nothing. It will probably be stainless steel on the inside but it will =
get you started.
  =20
  My group makes coffee and tea in whatever pot we have available. =
Ranging from small to fairly large straight sided boilers. Most of them =
are made of copper but sheet iron/tin works fine. My largest pot (one =
that I made of copper sheet) holds a bit less than a gallon, is used to =
boil drinking water and to make enough coffee for a half dozen guys. I =
use smaller copper pots (that I make)  when there is just a couple/three =
of us.=20
  =20
  You don't need a fancy tapered pot with a spout though they were =
available back east and may have seen their way west. I am sure most =
coffee and tea was brewed up in a simple pot, whatever was handy. It's =
nice to have a lid but not necessary.
  =20
  Capt. Lahti'
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: [e-mail]=20
    To: [e-mail]=20
    Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 7:11 PM
    Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan


    I am looking for the proper style and material for a coffee pot that =
would=20
    have been used during the RMFT at a large brigade camp and where is =
the bet=20
    place to get one.=20
    Thanks "Roadkill"=20

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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>You can get by with what ever pot you have. Most =
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>My group makes coffee and tea in whatever pot we =
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>You don't need a fancy tapered pot with a spout =
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most=20
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Coffee pot or=20
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    <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>I am =
looking for the=20
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 00:36:23 -0600
From: "House Todorovich" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber

Hi Yall,  (if ya don't speak southern then:  Hello all,)

Is this an acceptable manner of posting to this list, if not please correct
me.  Also can someone inform me about the rendevzous in Alabama, as I live
here in Northern Alabama, and hope to be able to attend.

Some short background:
Born in 1959 in West Virginia near Beckley, moved south with parents in
1970.  Graduate University Alabama in Huntsville 1982,  Masters program and
continuing ed. since then.  Married, three kids 2 boys and 1 girl.  Enjoy
hunting, history, and technology.  Constitutionalist, Christian, and
Capitalist.  I have never bought a ready built black powder gun, except some
starting kit parts from Turner Kirkland's Dixie Gun Works.  I am currently
working on knapping arrowheads and designing myself a flintlock long rifle.
Probably in .50 calabre.  I built my first black powder gun in 1973, 1974
from parts that my mom found.  A .45 cal. long rifle in percussion.  (I was
age 13 -14)  While it was and is rough it shoots, and has taken game for me.
Since then I have built several other guns, and self bows.  We also trapped
local muscrat for spending money in high school.  I still consider myself a
tenderfoot in many aspects, but am ardent about these topics.  Perhaps I
will have things to share from time to time, and am looking forward to
reading the posts.  While I have not been able to seek out the American
Mountian Man membership that I some day hope to be worthy of, I have
followed the writhings of members when I could locate them.  The computer
and internet has been a boon for this.  Thanks for being here in cyber
space.

Highest regards,


Jim Todorovich
aka DricPa
"You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive"


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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:30:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan

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> covert a copper "canister" (originally used for holding dry ingredients like
> sugar, coffee, etc. into a nice boiler
>

In formal setting such as coffee houses or at dinners at home coffee was
served in a "coffee pot" most of which were rather small to make sure you
used it up before it got cold.  Remember they did not have central heating
and they did not have thermos type containers.   Coffee was brewed in a pot
large enough to serve the amount that was needed and keep warm by the hearth
or over the fire.

For those new to the use of copper or brass in food pre remember to keep it
well scrubbed or you will get the lovely green verdigrie (sp) on the surface
and that is poison which can ruin a rather good day.  All our copper that we
use for cooking is tinned (on the inside) with lead free solder to protect
against that problem.

Y.M.O.S.

C.T. Oakes


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<BR>large enough to serve the amount that was needed and keep warm by the hearth
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<BR>and that is poison which can ruin a rather good day.  All our copper that we
<BR>use for cooking is tinned (on the inside) with lead free solder to protect
<BR>against that problem.
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:08:51 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: history, but not RMFT

Ho the list
On this date 165 years ago one of my cousins, Thomas Jefferson Rusk along
with 58 other men, signed his name to the Texas Declaration of Independence
from Mexico, forming the Republic of Texas.  Rusk went on to participate in
many famous battles against the Mexicans and later lived a storied life in
early Texas.  Men like my cousin (and like his grandfather, Benjamin
Starritt.... my gggg-grandfather.....who fought in the American Revolution)
were willing to risk everything they had, including their very lives, to
live in freedom and to pass that legacy of freedom down to us.  We can't let
them down.  We must preserve that freedom and pass it on, intact, to those
who come after us.
To read more about these men go to Google.com  and enter a search for their
names.  And while you're there search for your own family, using names from
every branch of your family tree.  You might be surprised at what you
find.....like another, lesser cousin of mine who got propelled to his final
reward from the Texas electric chair.  Every family tree has twigs as well
as mighty branches.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
PS:  T.J. Rusk is also Larry Pendleton's distant cousin, which makes
Pendleton and me cousins. Ouch.


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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:20:22 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan

In a message dated 3/2/2001 9:32:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<<  All our copper that we
 use for cooking is tinned (on the inside) with lead free solder to protect
 against that problem.
  >>

Copper is bad for you (as you mentioned).  drinking water stds call for <1ppm
and now they're sayin tin is bad for you as well.  TBTO (and other tin
compounds) has now been banned as a paint additive for marine use (water
pollution).   Iron is about the only thing I haven't heard any health
negatives about.
Greg Sefton

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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:23:02 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "House Todorovich" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 10:36 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber


> Hi Yall,  (if ya don't speak southern then:  Hello all,)
>
> Is this an acceptable manner of posting to this list, if not please
correct
> me.  Also can someone inform me about the rendevzous in Alabama, as I live
> here in Northern Alabama, and hope to be able to attend.

DricPa,

Greetings and welcome. Your post is just fine. While we don't stand on
ceremony here it is nice when one uses the best english prose at their
command just to facilitate readability. (while I love hearing the various
accents and etc., they are hard to read <G> but that is my personal
preference).

You might also want to consider joining another list "MLML" if you haven't
already. "MLML" is devoted to muzzle loading exclusively and has a much
larger audience. It will be easier to find out what shooting events are
going on in your area and you might even find people close at hand to
participate with. The link is below, just follow the directions:

http://members.aol.com/illinewek

By all means continue your persuit of membership in AMM. It is by invitation
and sponsorship so you will have to make yourself visible and show your
willingness and worthyness. Good luck.

Capt. Lahti'





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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:20:02 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: history, but not RMFT

In a message dated 3/2/01 7:08:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes: <<  T.J. Rusk is also Larry Pendleton's distant
cousin, which makes Pendleton and me cousins. Ouch. >>

not quite sure who deserves my condolences! <GGG>    Barney

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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:22:00 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan

In a message dated 3/2/01 7:21:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<<  Iron is about the only thing I haven't heard any health
 negatives about.   >>
 and so how do you tin with Iron?  Given the amount of time most of us spend
using tin-lined vessels, does anybody think there is a great risk to us?
Barney

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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:08:09 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: List Moderator - OT

My apologies to the List Moderator for haviong to change my email. Briernet
is down and I have missed 3 days of messages, and many emails have bounced
back to friends.

Again, my apologies

Ad Miller
Alderson, WV


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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:37:58 -0700
From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan

the copper cannisters I made my nest of pots out of,  are actually stainless
steel with a copper plating on the outside.  and no it is'nt period correct
but it will have to suffice until I can replace it with a proper set
Tom
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To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan


> In a message dated 3/2/2001 9:32:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail]
> writes:
>
> <<  All our copper that we
>  use for cooking is tinned (on the inside) with lead free solder to
protect
>  against that problem.
>   >>
>
> Copper is bad for you (as you mentioned).  drinking water stds call for
<1ppm
> and now they're sayin tin is bad for you as well.  TBTO (and other tin
> compounds) has now been banned as a paint additive for marine use (water
> pollution).   Iron is about the only thing I haven't heard any health
> negatives about.
> Greg Sefton
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:48:42 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coffee pot or pan

and no it is'nt period correct
but it will have to suffice until I can replace it with a proper set
Tom


>>Tom,
  Don't sweat it !  I and many others started out with a boiler fashioned
from a coffee can.  Nobody was ever born wearing braintan.  We all had to
start with what we could cobble together.
Pendleton


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:26:01 -0500
From: "CrookedHand" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: jerky

Does any body here have a recipe or instructions for making jerky over an
open fire????? you can reply off list if you wish.
Mark "Crooked Hand" Toigo /aka/ Wethlee-EnkΘ
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:07:57 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

Crooked Hand,

From what I have read, you just cut the meat in long strips with the grain
and drape it over a pole above the smoke of the fire. No heat is really
involved.

Crawdad and I jerked some buffalo at the AMM Nationals a couple years back
by just hanging it on ropes around camp. Dried out in a couple days.

Capt. Lahti'




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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 01:52:22 -0500
From: "CrookedHand" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

thanks Roger... what about flies? we got cows and horses and goats.. duh....
will the smoke keep them off the meat.. and how long does the fire/smoke
method take/
Mark "Crooked Hand" Toigo /aka/ Wethlee-EnkΘ
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699
http://members.nbci.com/crookedhand/gallery.htm
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To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky


> Crooked Hand,
>
> From what I have read, you just cut the meat in long strips with the grain
> and drape it over a pole above the smoke of the fire. No heat is really
> involved.
>
> Crawdad and I jerked some buffalo at the AMM Nationals a couple years back
> by just hanging it on ropes around camp. Dried out in a couple days.
>
> Capt. Lahti'
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 02:04:53 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: OT :  Mad Cow / Chronic Wasting Disease

Since we have lots of hunters on the list, I thought I'd throw this out...
The TV show 20/20 had a segment tonight about Mad Cow Disease, and one of the
so called experts from the Ag Dept. said that a form of it, called Chronic
Wasting Disease was already in the United States infecting Elk and Deer in
the Western US.  Anybody have any more info? Don't wanna give up Caribou
sausage or Venison steaks, but don't wanna end up on the ground doin' the
chicken either. <GGG>            Barney

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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 01:22:16 -0800
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber

Welcome Tod

A few y'alls are nice to hear... don't hear that many since planting myself in
the great Northwest, and folks still look at me funny once in a while when they
hear 'em.

Regards from Idaho

Lee Newbill

House Todorovich wrote:

> Hi Yall,  (if ya don't speak southern then:  Hello all,)
> Is this an acceptable manner of posting to this list


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:29:27 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

In a message dated 3/3/2001 1:35:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< thanks Roger... what about flies? we got cows and horses and goats..
duh....
 will the smoke keep them off the meat.. and how long does the fire/smoke
 method take/ >>

Hunting in Alaska & Canada, we learned that a little pepper would keep flies
off hanging meat.  Kept the grizzlies off it too.  They fed on the carcass of
butchered moose every night but left the meat (peppered) hanging nearby
alone. I put pepper on my jerky anyway.  We could hear them out there
crunching the bones.  Made for light sleeping :o).  Probably the way the
skinners did back when.

Greg Sefton

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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:17:45 -0500
From: "CrookedHand" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

hmmmmmmm   a light sleeper I am... no grizzlies here, but LOTS Of coyotes in
north Florida.. REALLY... now, how LONG do you smoke the stuff
Mark "Crooked Hand" Toigo /aka/ Wethlee-EnkΘ
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> In a message dated 3/3/2001 1:35:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << thanks Roger... what about flies? we got cows and horses and goats..
> duh....
>  will the smoke keep them off the meat.. and how long does the fire/smoke
>  method take/ >>
>
> Hunting in Alaska & Canada, we learned that a little pepper would keep
flies
> off hanging meat.  Kept the grizzlies off it too.  They fed on the carcass
of
> butchered moose every night but left the meat (peppered) hanging nearby
> alone. I put pepper on my jerky anyway.  We could hear them out there
> crunching the bones.  Made for light sleeping :o).  Probably the way the
> skinners did back when.
>
> Greg Sefton
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:15:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

In a message dated 3/3/2001 9:01:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< hmmmmmmm   a light sleeper I am... no grizzlies here, but LOTS Of coyotes
in
 north Florida.. REALLY... now, how LONG do you smoke the stuff >>

OK,  I admit it, I use my dehydrator for 7 hours. Only documentation I have
is the receipt from Walmart.  I have dried jerkey (venison) in the woods but
we made a little containment out of palmetto fronds to direct the smoke & dry
air.  I think we got hungry and ate the stuff before it was properly jerked
after about 6 hours.  Seems it was getting close but should have been dried
another few hours.  Smoked fish this way too.

Greg

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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 07:32:40 -0700
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

Crooked Hand,
    In camps, we have done this and found that the preparation of the
process (how you do it) to be more important than how you do the meat.
The easiest way it to build a rack out of green sticks about four - six inches
off the fire. We usually use four forked sticks as corner posts and then lay
stickes over it to make a grill. Keep the fire low (if you can't keep your hand

over it, it is too hot). The meat should be cut thin, to dry faster, but we
have used
thicknesses up to 3/8 inch and it still work, just takes longer and the outside

will get done but the inside still alittle raw. Lean meat is the best. If in a
primitive
camp, we don't meranade the meat or add salt or pepper, just plain. I think
this
it the best way, you can then use it in many different foods and the meat won't

pass on any flavor but it's own to the mix. Or make you thirsty when eating it.

Turn the meat regualrly and keep the dogs away. If bugs are a problem in your
area, make the fire smoky and this will help. I am used to doing this in the
rockys,
and the humility is pretty low here (maybe 8-10%), so can't help with any ideas

for doing this in a high humility area.
    Roger is right, most meat will dry on by it's self in a few days, but by
using a small
fire you can speed up the process. Most of the time in camp you can do a good
batch
in about 4 hours. It does take some one watching the fire during this time, but
they
usually get to do the taste testing!
                                                                    mike.
Oh, many people don't know what to do with all the hard, small bits of old (who

knows how old) jerky that always ends up in the bottom of the jerky bag. This
is the perfect stuff for the winter trail food. Why spend the time and the
effort to
pound up jerky for pemmican? You already have it.

Roger Lahti wrote:

> Crooked Hand,
>
> >From what I have read, you just cut the meat in long strips with the grain
> and drape it over a pole above the smoke of the fire. No heat is really
> involved.
>
> Crawdad and I jerked some buffalo at the AMM Nationals a couple years back
> by just hanging it on ropes around camp. Dried out in a couple days.
>
> Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 07:37:04 -0700
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT :  Mad Cow / Chronic Wasting Disease

Barney,
    The Denver Rocky Mountain News has done some very good articles
on this lately. We have a area near Ft. Collins which a special hunt is being
done this year to help control it. I feel this is something  we need to be aware
of. I saw some pictures four years ago of a deer shot by a friend (to put it out
of it's misery), he reported it to the DOW and they came and took it to check out

then. I might still have the articles, if the recycling hasn't went out yet. Let
me know
if I can get them to you.
                                                    mike.

[e-mail] wrote:

> Since we have lots of hunters on the list, I thought I'd throw this out...
> The TV show 20/20 had a segment tonight about Mad Cow Disease, and one of the
> so called experts from the Ag Dept. said that a form of it, called Chronic
> Wasting Disease was already in the United States infecting Elk and Deer in
> the Western US.  Anybody have any more info? Don't wanna give up Caribou
> sausage or Venison steaks, but don't wanna end up on the ground doin' the
> chicken either. <GGG>            Barney
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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:53:37 -0500
From: "Tim Jewell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

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>... now, how LONG do you smoke the stuff


Hey Crooked Hand,

"Proper" jerky is not smoked or seasoned at all.  Hanging it over a fire is
so the little bit of heat and smoke will keep bugs away.

Use a *tough* cut of meat to start (I use round roast) with as little fat as
you can possibly get.  Cut it with the grain and about 1/4" thick.  Season
or marinate if you want but that is not *traditional*.

Sun dry for about 8-10 hours or you can also do it in an oven by hanging the
strips on toothpicks.  Set oven on lowest temperature and prop the door open
to let the moisture escape.  Remember you are drying not cooking.

Either way start checking it after about 6 hours.  It should look like
*sole* leather, dark in color and somewhat flexible.  Actually, without
seasoning it tastes about like sole leather too.

BTW, if you want the smoke flavor without actually smoking it you can buy
"liquid smoke" seasoning and if you are smoking it over a fire remember not
to use a resinous wood.

Hope this helps,
       Tim


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:18:31 -0800
From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

Mike, You impressed me as a pretty humble man........

"the humility is pretty low here (maybe 8-10%), so can't help with any
ideas

for doing this in a high humility area."

<GGG>    hardtack

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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:21:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT :  Mad Cow / Chronic Wasting Disease

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I live in the center of the main Chronic Wasting Disease Area.  I t started
as a project at CSU about two miles from me.  A couple of infected deer
escaped from pens on the West Campus and it has spread from their.  The main
area is now east of the foot hills (about 6500 feet) to I-25 north of Fort
Collins to the Wyoming border.  The Colorado Division Of Wildlife has just
finished a special hunting season for this area CDOW Unit 9 (west of I-25
north of US 287 south of the Wyoming Border) Hunter could harvest as many
deer as privet land owners want them to of either sex.  The season ended the
end of February.  Deer heads were to be turned in the CDOW for test of the
brain to determine if the deer had CWD.  "There is no evidence that chronic
wasting disease affects human, but the Division of Wildlife advises hunters
to take simple precautions when handling the carcass of any deer or elk
harvested in the units where CWD occurs.  "Were rubber gloves when field
dressing Carcasses, minimize handling brain pr spinal tissues and wash hands
afterwards."  This years hunting application just received lists 12 other
units in north central Colo. that may have CWD.  Average infected rates range
from 3% to 15% in eight units (8, 9, 19, 20, 95, 96, 191, 951) with unit 9
being the highest.  It is no longer required to return heads for testing.
Keep out of the rut "Roadkill" Mark Loader

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>I live in the center of the main Chronic Wasting Disease Area.  I t started
<BR>as a project at CSU about two miles from me.  A couple of infected deer
<BR>escaped from pens on the West Campus and it has spread from their.  The main
<BR>area is now east of the foot hills (about 6500 feet) to I-25 north of Fort
<BR>Collins to the Wyoming border.  The Colorado Division Of Wildlife has just
<BR>finished a special hunting season for this area CDOW Unit 9 (west of I-25
<BR>north of US 287 south of the Wyoming Border) Hunter could harvest as many
<BR>deer as privet land owners want them to of either sex.  The season ended the
<BR>end of February.  Deer heads were to be turned in the CDOW for test of the
<BR>brain to determine if the deer had CWD.  "There is no evidence that chronic
<BR>wasting disease affects human, but the Division of Wildlife advises hunters
<BR>to take simple precautions when handling the carcass of any deer or elk
<BR>harvested in the units where CWD occurs.  "Were rubber gloves when field
<BR>dressing Carcasses, minimize handling brain pr spinal tissues and wash hands
<BR>afterwards."  This years hunting application just received lists 12 other
<BR>units in north central Colo. that may have CWD.  Average infected rates range
<BR>from 3% to 15% in eight units (8, 9, 19, 20, 95, 96, 191, 951) with unit 9
<BR>being the highest.  It is no longer required to return heads for testing.
<BR>Keep out of the rut "Roadkill" Mark Loader</FONT></HTML>

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