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hist_text-digest       Tuesday, February 6 2001       Volume 01 : Number 742



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: archive indexing
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: smallpox innoculation history
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)(other stuff)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: South of the Missouri and North of the Yellowstone
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)(other stuff)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)(otherstuff)
-áááááá MtMan-List: crooked knife--hoof knife ??
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: smallpox
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: smallpox
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: smallpox
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: smallpox
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: H&H Barrels
-áááááá MtMan-List: Mountain Men and the Fur Trade
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re:"Private Yankee Doodle"
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: smallpox/the itch
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: H&H Barrels
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads
-áááááá MtMan-List: Nessmuk and Kephart
-áááááá MtMan-List: Bye all
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: smallpox/the itch
-áááááá MtMan-List: Coyote problem
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coyote problem
-áááááá MtMan-List:   ... OT sorta... but humorous
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coyote problem
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coyote problem
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coyote problem

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:55:12 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: archive indexing

JOHN
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thanks for your lengthy post---
Nuff said---
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:42:19 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smallpox innoculation history

The procedure had been done in the orient for centuries before Jenner or
Pasteur were ever born.  It wasn't until the 'Golden Age of Microbiology' ,
during Jenner and Pasteur's time, that the 'West' uncovered the idea.  flea

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:16:12 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)(other stuff)

I have the other Nesmuk(?) book also but mine is a recent (last 20 years)
re-print.
RJames

I think that the copies available on Amazon are from that same reprint.
Lanney


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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:43:34 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: South of the Missouri and North of the Yellowstone

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Walt,
Come on down.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: South of the Missouri and North of the Yellowstone
Date: Mon, Feb 5, 2001, 8:12 PM



I have been following the threads and it seems to me than much of the talk
about capote, winter provisions are talk that goes North of the Missouri
with the Capotes and South of the Yellowstone with the winter provisioning.
When posted the speculation of what would be taken in 1836 from either the
rendezvous location or Fort Hall or Fort Union was specified for the purpose
of the on going discussion.  I think this is a good exercise and should be
carried further.

I also like seeing some of the list members on tv at Fort Bridger.  It would
be fun to go there this year.

Walt


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Walt,<BR>
Come on down.<BR>
YMOS<BR>
Ole # 718<BR>
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:48:46 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)(other stuff)

Lanney,
I could look at that diferently, since I am a General Contractor. Ha Ha
YMOS
Ole #718
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>From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
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>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)(other stuff)
>Date: Mon, Feb 5, 2001, 9:02 PM
>

>>>
>
>"You don't miss a thing, do you Lanney?  Sure hate to have you for an
>emery."
>RJames
>
>Dick
>Would it surprise you to know that I am a commercial construction
>inspector/engineering technician?  I have told many contractors exactly what
>you said......you don't want me for an enemy 'cause I have the hammer.  Bad
>test results or a negative inspection report can cause those guys more grief
>and expense that it would for them to have done the work right in the first
>place.  I suppose it's a good thing that I am so lovable and easy going.
>
>I recently bought a copy of another of Kephart's books, "Our Southern
>Highlanders", which is really interesting.   I have just finished about two
>chapters, but it looks very promising.  I also bought another book called
>"Camping and Woodcraft" that is by Nessmuk (George Washington Sears) whom
>Kephart held in high reverence.....but not enough to prevent him from
>lifting some of Sears' phrases and using them in his book.
>Limber-go-Lightly pocket axe, for example.  Going to the woods not to rough
>it, but to smooth it for another.    Kephart does routinely quote Sears
>(with appropriate credit) but you can see a lot of the earlier book in
>Kephart's work.  Kephart is an excellent author with a great ability to make
>involved tasks seem easy.  He was a supremely skilled camper (primitive by
>21th century standards, but modern when he was in the woods.)  I wore out my
>original copy of his 'Camping and Woodcraft' and had to buy another.  Both
>of his books and Nessmuk's book are available on Amazon.com, which is where
>I got my copies.
>YF&B
>Lanney
>
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:14:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

In a message dated 2/5/2001 11:23:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Many times have I made a cash and used it later on my return trip.And
 yes the powder still burns after beening dried out. >>

Powder is (was) made in a wet paste and then dried.

Greg Sefton

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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 08:24:10 -0600
From: Monte Holder <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)(otherstuff)

This wasn't as an insect repellant, but when I was a kid (35 or so years ago)  I got
stung by a wasp at my grandparents home, Grandpa pulled his pipe apart and used the tar
and whatever else was in that black goo that had piled up there on the sting.  I can't
say if it helped or not, but it kind of fits here.

Monte Holder




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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:45:08 -0500
From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: crooked knife--hoof knife ??

I looked at the site that Dean put on about crooked knives. It seems as if
todays hoof knife is close without the curl on the end. Would someone with
more knowledge than I comment about this. Some years ago when I had horses I
bought several old hoof knives at farm auctions with antler and bone
handles. Maybe rework them to use as crooked knives if I can still find them
in the barn. Some years ago I seen crooked knives for sale that looked like
hoof knives.

John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
longhunter
mountainman
Southwest, Ohio


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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:03:10 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smallpox

My question is how was the inoculation done? Did they even have hypodermic
needles in 1776? And Martin mentions: "When I was inoculated with the
smallpox I took that delectable disease, the itch; it was given us, we
supposed, in the infection." What the hell could that be!!!?!

*************************

Magpie, smallpox innoculation is not done by injecting the virus. It is
"scratched" into the skin (numerous small scaratches are made with a double
pointed needle, and a drop of the liquid place on the scratches) and that is
enough to infect the person being innoculated.  We used to use dead or
attenuated smallpox virus, but I am sure G. Washingtons men received the pus
direct from other infected patients. That would account for many of them
dying from the disease. I probably innoculated literally tens of thousands
of USN and USMC personnel in 20 years in the Navy.  Somewhere along the
line, the WHO (World Health Organization) has decreedthat Smallpox has been
irradicated, and vaccination no longer needed. HORSE HOCKEY!!!  Saddam
Hussien had Smallpox cultires... sorry... getting carried away here...

Anyway, that is how it is/was done.  Washington took a heck of a chance, as
the idea was new, but it seemed to have worked well for the troops.

Ad Miller
Alderson, WV


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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:13:27 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smallpox

[e-mail] writes:

<< vaccination was performed by scratching the arm of the 'patient' and
rubbing dried scabs of cowpox into them. >>

Anyone know how they kept, stored and transported the pox scabs or whatever
material they used for the vaccination?  Jefferson directed Lewis to take
with him "some matter of the Kinpox," and I know that there was some problem
with transporting it and keeping it active. Chuinard (Only One Died), states
that Jefferson developed an effective means of transporting the vaccine
matter by using a small corked vial inside a larger, water-filled tube. How
long could they expect it to "keep" or be viable? I know they wanted the pure
active virus from patients. Was the "matter" then held in a
suspended/inactive state or did it need a nutrient material to sustain it?
Lewis supposedly left for St. Louis with "Kinpox" material he received
directly from Jefferson. Lewis' kinpox material, as Lewis put it, lost its
"virtue." Apparently the virus material had died or was at least no longer
viable. He asked for more vaccine from Jefferson, but according ton Chuinard,
we have no record that he ever received it. Lewis was going to inoculate not
only his men, but Indians he met.

YMOS
Ghosting Wolf

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:27:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smallpox

[e-mail] writes:

<< Chuinard (Only One Died), states
 that Jefferson developed an effective means of transporting the vaccine  >>

The book by Chuinard should be "Only One Man Died". Sorry for the confusion.
I would also highly recommend it to anyone interested in early medicine
and/or the Lewis & Clark Corps of Discovery.

Ghosting Wolf

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:11:57 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smallpox

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[e-mail] writes:



> book "Private Yankee Doodle"=E2=80=A6a first hand account of a=20
> soldier, Joseph Plumb Martin, in the Revolutionary War. It's an outstandin=
g=20
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Hello Magpie,

Could you provide the ISBN # , publisher and author?  I'm always looking for=
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one more good book to read and it may interest others as welll..

Thanks

Y.M.O.S.

C.T. Oakes

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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:05:33 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads

I'm confident that what was meant by 'maces' is actually 'masses'. I have a
number of references to beads being sold in 'bunches' and in 'maces' or
'masses'. The earliest, at the NWC's Lac Isle a la Crosse post, dates to 4
June 1786. On an inventory of goods left behind at the post that day, we
see 3 bunches beads and 28 "maces B[arley] Corn Beads". (Duckworth,
120-122) There were "2 Masses blue Beads" amongst the trade goods
inventoried at the NWC's Fort Esperance on 29 Dec. 1793 (Wood & Thiessen,
324).  F.-A. Laroque gives "6 Masses B.C. Beads" (and a lot of other stuff)
to the Crow chiefs at the Mandan villages on 27 June 1805 (Wood & Thiessen,
171), and "40 B[unches]. blue Beads, 2 Mass Barley corn d[itt]o" as part of
his payment for a horse on 15 August 1805. (Wood & Thiessen, 183) My last
note of 'masses' of beads comes from 1805, when Alexander Henry the Younger
records that  his payment for a Hidatsa horse included "1 mass B.C. beads"
(and a bunch of other stuff that's not relevant to this discussion).

So, what the heck is a mass? My gut feeling is that it is a large hank of
beads. It's not the same as a 'bunch', since we see 'masses' and 'bunches'
on the same inventory lists, but it does suggest that they are both being
sold already strung; at other times, beads are measured out in pounds or,
more rarely, sold individually.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred


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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:57:55 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads

In a message dated 2/6/1 09:15:43 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<<So, what the heck is a mass? My gut feeling is that it is a large hank of
beads.>>

Angela - I still buy beads today from from an importer.  They are larger
beads -though not necessarily large hole, as I wish they were.  In this case
a mass is 1000 beads, usually strung 50 to 100 to a string and all strings
tied together at the ends to form the "mass".
Your friend
Dick James

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:58:58 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: H&H Barrels

In a message dated 1/26/01 6:21:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Anyone know what ever happend to H&H barrels.  I toured their plant in
Ocala,
 FL some years ago and bought a few barrels from them that shoot great.  They
 moved away shortly after that.  Did they go under, or just break camp and
 move to new trappings? >>

They did make some nice barrels.  They became DeHass, moved to MO, got REAL
independant about shipping barrels & went under.  Not sure, but I think Moody
wound up with their machines.

MN

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:46:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Dennis Fisher <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Men and the Fur Trade

Just received volume one of Mountain Men and the Fur
Trade.  Looks great and should keep me occupied for a
while.  For the rest of you ordered them, it looks
like the book is in the mail.

Dennis Fisher

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 19:15:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Re:"Private Yankee Doodle"

In a message dated 2/6/01 8:13:11 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Could you provide the ISBN # , publisher and author?  I'm always looking
for

one more good book to read and it may interest others as welll..

 >>
Sure can CT.... ISBN#0-915992-10-8, publisher: Eastern Acorn Press, author:
JP Martin, and edited by George E Scheer.

There are several different books out on Joseph Plumb Martin, some written
for children, but this is written from his original narrative/notes. The
editor states: "I have neither abridged, nor changed a word or phrase he
wrote..."

This is very good stuff......

Ymos,
Magpie

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 19:21:35 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads

In a message dated 2/6/01 11:59:29 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Angela - I still buy beads today from from an importer.  They are larger
beads -though not necessarily large hole, as I wish they were.  In this case
a mass is 1000 beads, usually strung 50 to 100 to a string  >>

Thanks Angela, Dick, and all, for the low down on a Maces/Masses of beads. I
picked up the word at  "thebeadsite.com" ...they have a list of beads that
L&C took with them there.... interesting that the "famous", black, flowery
like, Lewis and Clark bead ain't mentioned.

Ymos,
Magpie

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 19:47:55 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smallpox/the itch

In a message dated 2/6/01 7:02:46 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Anyway, that is how it is/was done.  Washington took a heck of a chance, as

the idea was new, but it seemed to have worked well for the troops.

 >>

Thanks Ad...shoulda been able to figure that out.

I mentioned Martin also getting the "itch" which he thought they received
with/when the inoculation. A  plague all in his detachment suffered. (crabs?)
Finally months later they were able to obtain "a sufficient quantity of
brimstone (sulphur) and tallow" for the outside and "mix a plenty of hot
whiskey toddy "for the inside... "...but we killed the itch and we were
satisfied, for it had almost killed us."

Freezing, starving, and being shot at sounds like a minor set back....<G>

Ymos,
Magpie

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:03:31 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: H&H Barrels

> They became DeHass, moved to MO, got REAL
>  independant about shipping barrels & went under.

DeHaas still makes barrels and I believe is one of the top suppliers for
Track of the Wolf.

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:16:10 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads

In a message dated 2/6/01 4:23:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< interesting that the "famous", black, flowery like, Lewis and Clark bead
ain't mentioned.  >>

Most sources I've talked with, and "The History Of Beads" by Dubin show
similarly constructed beads appearing around 1850. Even though they are
called Lewis & Clark Beads, no source has ever been able to document that
they were ever carried by the Corps Of Discovery.   Barn

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:00:37 -0500
From: "Two Crows" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Nessmuk and Kephart

Now you're getting down to it.  Nessmuk is the father of modern outdoor
journalism, and Kephart is the chronicler of real Scotch-Irish southern
mountain folk.  There are none better in literature.  Kephart, alas, died
of drink.  Nessmuk died, that is sure, but of what, I don't recall.  Add to
these Ned Roberts and you've made a great start on understanding the things
which have passed, and which might be retained.

db

David Brown & Kristin Poulsen
Wollendael
4419 Gore-Subligna Rd.
Summerville, GA  30747

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on
 what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
- --Benjamin Franklin 1759


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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:40:22 -0600
From: "Ethan Sudman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Bye all

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Hello all.

I will be leaving the list permanently, partially because I cannot keep =
up with it (and for various personal reasons). I know that some will be =
quite happy to see me go, and I have gotten some very rude e-mails =
recently.

Thanks,
Ethan Sudman ([e-mail])

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:54:54 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads

In a message dated 2/6/1 05:23:39 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Lewis and Clark bead ain't mentioned.
>>

Magpie - these exotic bead colors and descriptions that we hear so
"knowingly" today have been ginned up in recent times for the convienience of
the contemporary.   "Cheyenne Pink", "Pony Trader Blue", "Greasies" are
colors I had never heard or read about until the last 20 - 30 years.  Old
documents refer to colors like Blue, Green, and White.

Challenge, anyone??

Richard James

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:58:36 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: smallpox/the itch

hehe.. yep, Magpie, the "itch" refered to crabs and other types of body
vermin.... fleas included...

Ad Miller
Alderson, WV


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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:40:02 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Jon Marinetti)
Subject: MtMan-List: Coyote problem

USA Today, Tues., 02-06-01, p.10A

California: Los Angeles -- An elusive band of coyotes has taken over the
Pierce College farm, killing dozens of stray cats and threatening
livestock.  A construction project has "landlocked" the coyotes, but
officials at the Woodland Hills campus and wildlife experts have been
unable to locate the den and remove the animals. We're just a big
cafeteria for the coyotes, said Bill Lander, the college's resident
farmer.

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:45:20 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coyote problem

In a message dated 2/6/1 08:40:42 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< An elusive band of coyotes has taken over the Pierce College farm, . . . .
. .>>

Who was there first?
RJ

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:54:50 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Jon Marinetti)
Subject: MtMan-List:   ... OT sorta... but humorous

PICKLES comic strip (Detroit News, Tues. 02-06-01, p.6F)

[Man standing outdoors next to his dog]

I think there's a little of the wild and untamed in all of us.  There's
something inside that hears and yearns to answer The Call of the Wild.
I can hear it right now.  I can smell it, too (sniff, sniff).  Oh,
shoot!  I'm steppin' in it!

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:41:33 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads

check with mrs lee good in claremore okla at the davis museum---she will
set you straight---

    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce        "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line "  trademark (C)
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor florida 34684        Phone Number:  1-727-771-1815
E-Mail: [e-mail]   Web site:
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:32:51 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 'Maces' of beads

mrs good is quite an authority on beeds from the davis museum in
clarimore okla---give her a call she has lots of data on the subject---

nuff said---

    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce        "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line "  trademark (C)
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:08:08 -0800
From: "Possum Hunter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coyote problem

Why not just let the Police sniper team come for practice? or...Better yet,
a good old fashioned black powder coyote shoot! That would be FUN :-)

Possum


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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:28:56 -0800
From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coyote problem

I attended (and graduated) L.A. Pierce College in '79.  The campus has
always been 'landlocked' .  The Campus is in the middle of the San
Fernando Valley.  It is surrounded by housing and industrial/business
areas.  When I was there they were plagued by roaving bands of domestic
dogs taking down sheep, etc....  The College has an agriculture unit,
pigs, cows, sheep.  Being in L.A., I'm sure they are 'sensitive' about
harming the cute, fuzzy varmints.  I used to run the cross country course
regularly (which ran through the AG. units, etc... ).  There isn't all
that much space there.  I can't figure why they can't track the 'yotes
down?  Leave it to the media to create a mountain out of a mole
hill........       hardtack

Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming spoons for making Rosie
O'Donnel fat?

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:40:09 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coyote problem

My son works on a farm here in Alderson, WV, and they killed a Coyote the
other day taht was going after some of the new born lambs... Who'd have
though a coyote problem this far north!!

Ad Miller
Alderson WV


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