This pushes the documentable date back earlier than 1870's, but doesn't
quite get you to 1800. If you're a stickler for authenticity and want to
document cloth tipi's that early, you could try looking in HBC records for
huge purchases of cloth by indians - a tipi would require - what - 50 yards
or more?
- -Dean
Hello Dean,
Walt Marten has a Lewis and Clark reference to a tipi being brought up river
1805. There is a 50/50 chance that this was the first cloth tipi in what is
now called Montana. The small tipi was for the use of the guides and
carried on the big boat. With the wet conditions and sail clothe being
available within the expedition. A small cloth tipi of 10-12 foot in
diameter does not take anywhere near 50 yards of material. I will see Walt
Marten at the Stillwater County Lewis and Clark Bicentennial Commission
meeting on the 20th and I will arrange to get the reference.
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Clark Bottom Rendezvous
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:20:56 EST
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Louis and Clark expedition had a tipi?
This is a new one on me maybe someone can enlighten me on this. Did they hall
along the poles or did they cut new ones at every camp they made?
Crazy Cyot
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:35:30 -0600
From: "Best, Dianne" <dbest@hydro.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shaker stoves
Just a quick smoke-signal from the 21st century engineering office.....
ANY object (stove, rock, lantern) that approaches incandescence (dull glow
in subdued light) can produce carbon monoxide. If it is too hot to touch
briefly, it can kill you. The less free oxygen that's available (i.e. in a
closed space), the more carbon monoxide is produced.
Travel safe.
Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne)
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:46:19 -0600
From: "Best, Dianne" <dbest@hydro.mb.ca>
Subject: MtMan-List: Tipis & mixed-bloods
Angela Gottfred wrote about Iroquois in the western fur trade....
I will look that book up and have a read.
I know from our oral history (in which I put a lot of faith) and from our
Canadian "history books" (which I trust only a little), the northern trade
routes were dominated by the French, the French allies and the Huron for a
long time, this includes the upper Great Lakes, Lake of the Woods, and the
Winnipeg River. This is why, in this part of the country, mixed-blood was
almost always French.
The Huron were incited by the French and the Iroquois by the British in a
running war that went on for a long time and wiped out two Indian Nations
who were stuck between (the Tobaccos and the Neutrals). After generations of
skirmishing, when the Iroquois got pi##ed off enough to move against the
Huron and exterminated them, I don't know what happened to the trade routes.
I can only assume that the Iroquois took control of the northern route, but
I have heard nothing here (Manitoba) among the Anishinabe or early records
of Iroquois involvement in local trade.
Very interesting.....
Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne)
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:05:50 -0600
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark expedition
Ethan Sudman asked,
<Does anyone know of any good resources (especually books, in particular
ones
that a library would be likely to have) about the Louis and Clark
expedition?>
Ethan, a simple Internet search will pull up the complete, original,
digest of the expedition. The book "From Sea to Shining Sea" by James
Alexander Thom is a very exciting fictionalized, but accurate, rendition of
the event. I highly recommend it. I found my copy in paperback in a used
book store.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:17:11 EST
From: Elkflea@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shaker stoves
Greetings:
The recent discussion of the potential for carbon monoxide poisoning from
combustive heating/open fires or stoves within shelters has raised my
curiosity. Does anyone know of any situations where aboriginal americans or
those of a more contempory period have died as a result of asphixiation from
carbonmonoxide poisoning in a Tipi? It seems such would be unlikely due to
the ventilation drafts entering from the bottom of the outside liner which
ascend between the inside and outside liner in the 'pole' space then
refurnish 02 to the fire and vent up and out through the flap area.... I
am a new to this and request comments words from those of you who are more
experienced. Thanks elkflea
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:22:15 -0600
From: Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hemp
If I remember right, hemp was the number one cash crop before WWII in
Wisconsin, then of course it became illegal.
Jim
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:39:37 -0700
From: Buck Conner <conner1@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shaker stoves
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> Greetings:
>
> The recent discussion of the potential for carbon monoxide poisoning from
> combustive heating/open fires or stoves within shelters has raised my
> curiosity. Does anyone know of any situations where aboriginal americans or
> those of a more contempory period have died as a result of asphixiation from
> carbonmonoxide poisoning in a Tipi? It seems such would be unlikely due to
> the ventilation drafts entering from the bottom of the outside liner which
> ascend between the inside and outside liner in the 'pole' space then
> refurnish 02 to the fire and vent up and out through the flap area.... I
> am a new to this and request comments words from those of you who are more
> experienced. Thanks elkflea
>
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The problem is many put the outside cover down on the ground and don't use a
liner, thus not venting as you referred to. This is where the problem starts,
smoky to start with - then it goes down hill.
Later,
Buck Conner
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<blockquote TYPE=CITE> Greetings:
<p> The recent discussion of the potential for carbon
monoxide poisoning from
<br>combustive heating/open fires or stoves within shelters has raised
my
<br>curiosity. Does anyone know of any situations where aboriginal
americans or
<br>those of a more contempory period have died as a result of asphixiation
from
<br>carbonmonoxide poisoning in a Tipi? It seems such would
be unlikely due to
<br>the ventilation drafts entering from the bottom of the outside liner
which
<br>ascend between the inside and outside liner in the 'pole' space then
<br>refurnish 02 to the fire and vent up and out through the
flap area.... I
<br>am a new to this and request comments words from those of you who are
more
<br>experienced. Thanks elkflea
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<p><br>The problem is many put the outside cover down on the ground and
don't use a liner, thus not venting as you referred to. This is where the
problem starts, smoky to start with - then it goes down hill.
