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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:36:20 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
In a message dated 11/14/0 03:21:27 PM, manbear@netonecom.net writes:
<<Not to sound flip but could you paint it to look like buffalo hides?
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I've seen them show up at Rendezvous several times. Some more tastefully
done than others. For Painting - see Laubins' book. Paint on wet canvas.
R. James
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:15:39 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
Welcome to the list, Dianne! I live in Alberta, so we're practically
neighbours ;-). (I'm assuming from your e-mail address that you're in
Manitoba.)
Don't feel guilty for using canvas--like other folks have said, it's a
widely-accepted compromise. I also have evidence for tipis being used by
fur traders of the HBC & North West Co., particularly c. 1800. The
Napoleonic wars diverted the English supply of tent canvas to the British
army (the HBC had to get special export permits for trade guns!), and as a
result, they were forced to buy tents from local Natives. One case that
springs to mind is a trade at the HBC's Edmonton House in the mid-1790's,
for Blackfoot tipis. Also, NWC voyageurs spent Manitoba winters 'billeted'
with local Natives, e.g. Daniel Williams Harmon's men in the Swan River
area, c. 1800. Although they were guests, they spent many months living in
tipis.
After about 1840, Alexander Ross describes Red River Metis living in tipis
when travelling; unfortunately, I have no data for earlier decades.
>Now, the persona I am working-up would be a mixed-blood from the east who
>partnered up with some traders, traveled up through Sioux country and ended
>up planted here in the Hudson Bay Co.'s territory around 1800.
Unless you have a personal reason for choosing this character, I suggest
you choose somebody whose mixed heritage would be more typical of Manitoba
at this time, i.e. Cree, Assiniboine, Ojibway, etc. You'll find it's more
fun, & WAY easier to research. There were Metis in Manitoba, even at this
early date, if that's what you're concerned about. The first example that
springs to mind is Marguerite McKay McLoughlin, daughter of Swiss fur
trader Jean-Etienne Wadin. She married Dr. John McLoughlin, and went on to
play a significant role in the NWC & HBC at Rainy Lake, Thunder Bay (i.e.
Ft. William) and Fort Vancouver.
Larry Huber suggested:
> Your man will usually live the way you dress him unless he has a strong
culture of his own.
In Canada at this time, it was almost unheard-of for fur traders to adopt
Native dress. (I know of only one case where this happened, and the man
involved was criticized by his superiors for 'going Native'.) The North
West Company supplied clothing for all their employees & their families,
with the exception of shoes (i.e. moccasins) and some other items which
were usually made out west.
If you'd like some reading about the Manitoba fur trade c. 1800, I'd
recommend:
Harmon, Daniel Williams. Sixteen Years in the Indian Country : The Journal
of Daniel Williams Harmon, 1800-1816. W. Kaye Lamb, ed. Macmillan :
Toronto, 1957. *This book is well worth the search!*
Henry, Alexander (the Younger). The Journal of Alexander Henry The Younger
1799-1814. Barry Gough, ed. The Champlain Society/University of Toronto
Press : Toronto, 1988. ISBN 0-9693425-0-0. *Vol. 1 includes his journal
from the Red River & Pembina R. area.*
Gates, Charles M. Five Fur Traders of the Northwest : Being the Narrative
of Peter Pond and the Diaries of John Macdonell, Archibald N. McLeod, High
Faries, and Thomas Connor. Minnesota Historical Society : St. Paul,
Minnesota, 1965. *Read John Macdonnel and A.N. McLeod.*
Anyway, hopes this helps, Dianne!
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:01:03 -0700
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
Hi Dianne,
Walt Marten has a reference of a tipi carried by the Lewis and Clark during
the expedition 1804-1805. If you are interested in this reference source.
I can give you his email address off line. If you eliminate the flap
extensions on a Cheyenne tipi you have a basic Sioux tipi. If you pitch the
tipi poles in reverse and face the door south you have the western most
Sioux tipi. The Nakota or Assiniboine. Good luck on your project. I think
it is a viable one.
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Clark Bottom Rendezvous
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:02:52 -0700
From: Dean Rudy <drudy@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
Don't know if anybody's mentioned it yet, but Allen Chronister had an
article on this very topic in the last Museum of the Fur Trade
Quarterly. Good research. In short, he gives evidence that cloth tipi
covers can be documented as early as 1846 (Lakotas). There was another
article on canvas tipi covers in the MFTQ Fall '84. And Marcy mentions
The two links above will take you to two sites that offer hemp fabric (#1)
and several companies that offer hemp cordage (#2). The second site lists a
company in Spokane Washington that handles hemp rope. Good luck.
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:40:46 EST
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period ropes & cordage
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