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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest)
To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #672
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hist_text-digest Tuesday, November 14 2000 Volume 01 : Number 672
In this issue:
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fw: Zthing.com Presents: Oops I Farted Again
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap"
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap"
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: hides
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan and WHAT ABOUT THOSE DEER TICKS?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap"
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap"
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan and WHAT ABOUT THOSE DEER TIC...
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap"
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: hides
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Trapping
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fwd: Save the Missouri River
-áááááá MtMan-List: Accident
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Accident
-áááááá MtMan-List: map
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Deschamp(sp)family
-áááááá MtMan-List: Help!
-áááááá MtMan-List: KNife
-áááááá MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Deschamp(sp)family
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:03:53 -0600
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Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Zthing.com Presents: Oops I Farted Again
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:15:42 -0700
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap"
Hey,
I send out a controversial e-mail and you guys sleep through it? Ok, try
this one,
Walt Foster was incorrect concerning the building of Fort Hall, they were
not"Metise",
they were "Mormons". Ha Ha!.
YMOS
Ole # 718
Good yoke Ole,
I am glad you waited until after Veterans Day and the pressure of the vote
was off to stir up the campfire with your tapping. I think I can make a
pretty good case for the Metis in the American Fur Trade in Montana and the
northern Rockies. Starting with Charbono in 1804. Followed by La Roche in
1805. At my age the easy way is to start a study group at the Peter Yegen
Jr. Yellowstone County Museum. The one nearby where Magpie flies into
Billings. Chittenden does a pretty good job as a scientific historian in
developing the background of the Wyeth attempt to take cuts in the already
established contesting for the supremacy sought and won by the American Fur
Company when it bought out the rendezvous system in 1834 and closed it down
3 years later. Metis were everywhere around here and I think they were in
your area also. My interests are in the upper Missouri and the environs
around what is now called Yellowstone Park....the hub of the northern rocky
mountain fur trade in the USA. Good hunting weather here now. Cold. Just
right for the winterers. Maybe so a paper will come out of this. This
winter. I am volunteering on Mondays at the museum for a while. I will be
doing something to keep advancing this point about Metis involvement in the
rocky mountain fur trade. Many sayings attributed to the mountain men
stemmed from the Metis working in the fur trade on the American side of the
border. Thanks for building up the fire light.
Walt
Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837
Clark Bottom Rendezvous
Yellowstone Canoe Camp
On the Lewis & Clark Trail
Park City, Montana
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:50:48 -0700
From: Todd Glover <tetontodd@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap"
Walt
Why do you persist in claiming that Frenchmen were Metis? You're
ascribing ancestry to people were it is very clearly not due.
The "La Roche" you referred to I assume is Francois Antoine Larocque. He
was born of French parents and therefore is not Metis, and would probably
have been quite insulted to be referred to as such.
A classical example of who was Metis is the Deschamps family of Fort
Union. However I certainly hope that they were not representative of
Metis in general,as they were about the worst scoundrels, thieves and
murderers of the time.
The blood of the Frenchmen runs deep in the Western Fur Trade, of that
there is no doubt and no use to argue. But to ascribe a larger role than
is due based only upon conjecture and not upon documented facts is folly
and a slippery road better not taken.
Teton" Todd D. Glover
Poison River Party, #1784
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:55:45 -0800
From: "Larry Huber" <shootsprairie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hides
Linda,
Give me that name! I got friends working in Charlotte that owe me a
whole pile of money. I figure picking up and storing hides is just a start
to paying off their debt.
Larry Huber
shootstheprairie@hotmail.com
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From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 8:23 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: hides
> I have a friend in the Charlotte area of North Carolina that has tooooo
many
> hides.
> If anyone in the area is interested in some FREE deer hides...let me know.
I
> will put you in touch with him. These are pulled hides from a meat place
that
> the hunters take their kills too. He will not send or deliver...you have
to
> pick them up.
>
> Linda Holley
>
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:36:36 -0700
From: Joe Brandl <jbrandl@wyoming.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan and WHAT ABOUT THOSE DEER TICKS?
DO NOT STORE IN PLASTIC BAGS, DO NOT SALT AND FOLD HAIR SIDE IN. Let
dry and roll or fold hair side in to help in drying. based on
experience!
joe
Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com
Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture 307-455-2440
New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!!
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:33:20 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap"
Metis in Ole county? Nope. This area was strongly Shoshone. About where
Ole lives was the Mason-Dixon line between Shoshone and Ute, with the
Gosiutes west of here. Of course they were all the same ancestoral bunch -
along with the Pautes, Commanches, Bannock and even Aztec. Not a good place
to wander in and say "Hi, I'm Metis".
Richard James
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 01:59:47 EST
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap"
Not me Ole I only got half way through the first sentence and my guard hair
started to come up. Good thing I got in late or I would have been all over
it. I see ya found your self a good stirring stick at Western Territorial.
Good to here ya had a good time wish could have made it.
Would us say 100 is a conservative number for the number of trappers and
Indians that were to meet William H. Ashley at the 1825 Rendezvous on Henrys
Fork. That is only five pounds of flour per man for a hole year that aint
much flour. Think about it, the numbers were a lot higher then that who
attended. Nice try
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 02:12:52 EST
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HELP!Storing hides for braintan and WHAT ABOUT THOSE DEER TIC...
Joe's right salt is to help hold the hair on a hide which you don't want to
do if your going to be taking the hair off later. I just throw the hide over
a something flesh side up and let it dry out. Try and keep it off the ground
so the bugs and dogs don't get to it. I have stored hides for up to three
years this way with no problems so long as they stay dry.
Crazy Cyot
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:32:23 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap"
Crazy,
Wish you could have been there, you and "Dead Horse" would have made a
pair.(Good Man)
I have been looking through a posting of Ashleys note book, I noticed that
the list of goods sold and the list of goods taken to Rendezvous don't match
too well. It's not so much what he says but what he doesn't say. You are
correct in your math, but then from the list shown, they would not have
lasted a year if distributed evenly. What it does prove is this " The
trapers did want and eat bread products" as to what type, I don't know.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "tap"tap"tap"
>Date: Sun, Nov 12, 2000, 11:59 PM
>
>Not me Ole I only got half way through the first sentence and my guard hair
>started to come up. Good thing I got in late or I would have been all over
>it. I see ya found your self a good stirring stick at Western Territorial.
>Good to here ya had a good time wish could have made it.
> Would us say 100 is a conservative number for the number of trappers and
>Indians that were to meet William H. Ashley at the 1825 Rendezvous on Henrys
>Fork. That is only five pounds of flour per man for a hole year that aint
>much flour. Think about it, the numbers were a lot higher then that who
>attended. Nice try
> See ya on the trail
> Crazy Cyot
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:37:24 -0500
From: "Dennis Earp" <96mfg@hspower.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hides
Linda,
Do you know if he has any antlers that can be had, also?
Tks,
Dennis
> I have a friend in the Charlotte area of North Carolina that has tooooo
many
> hides.
> If anyone in the area is interested in some FREE deer hides...let me know.
I
> will put you in touch with him. These are pulled hides from a meat place
that
> the hunters take their kills too. He will not send or deliver...you have
to
> pick them up.
>
> Linda Holley
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:10:20 EST
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Trapping
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:52:18 -0700
From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@about.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: Save the Missouri River
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OLE, I'M SURPRISED TO SEE YOU AGREE WITH<BR>
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:02:49 -0600
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Subject: MtMan-List: Accident
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:49:40 EST
From: Wind1838@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Accident
Douglas.
It's happened to most of us. That sinking feeling when we have sent
something "public" instead of where we thought our uncensored comments were
going. But it's awful good manners of you to apologize. I just try to lay
low for a while and hope that my history list friends will forgive my rowdy
ways.
Laura Jean
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:13:33 -0700
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: map
Listmates,
If you can get your hands on the September 2000 National Geographic,
there is a really nice map in it. It folds out to basicly 24 of the
pages and
has a map on each side. The one which everyone on this list might like
is the
"Pathfinders" 1803-1848. It shows trails, explorations and sites of the
west.
Done well. If you get a chance to put your hands on one, do so.
mike.
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:26:53 -0000
From: "Bob Schmidt" <bobschmidt@cybernet1.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Deschamp(sp)family
Hi Robert:
Just a note, haven't received anything yet and wondered
if I should be concerned. Let me know, no hurry.....just
wondering.
Bob Schmidt
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:30:24 -0600
From: "Best, Dianne" <dbest@hydro.mb.ca>
Subject: MtMan-List: Help!
Howdy folks!
I just subscribed to this list and this greenhorn has a question....
How do I set the list to "digest" mode? I can't find it in the "welcome"
message or the "help" message.
Thanks guys!!!
Dianne
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From: "Dennis Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: KNife
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:39:06 -0600
From: "Best, Dianne" <dbest@hydro.mb.ca>
Subject: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
Howdy ya'll!
I am brand spanking new to this list, live up in central Canada where we
know what cold IS, and am just getting into "living history".
Got a question for you folks. I made myself a Cheyenne tipi about 10 years
ago. I wanted to keep everything as authentic as possible but with Buffalo
hides selling upwards of $2000 a piece, I decided to go with canvas (for a
couple hundred dollars).
Now, the persona I am working-up would be a mixed-blood from the east who
partnered up with some traders, traveled up through Sioux country and ended
up planted here in the Hudson Bay Co.'s territory around 1800.
I know that there was canvas tents being used at that time but does anybody
see an "authenticity" problem with a canvas tipi?
The only canvas tipis I have seen in pictures dated from the 1870's and
later in the Dakota territory.
Thoughts?
Megwich!
Dianne
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:45:56 GMT
From: "Robert Thomson" <hunter1828@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Deschamp(sp)family
Bob,
Don't be worried...I just haven't mailed it yet. I had a couple of folks
proofreading it for me and I am making corrections to things they found. I
should send it off to you sometime this week.
Robert
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Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Deschamp(sp)family
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:26:53 -0000
Hi Robert:
Just a note, haven't received anything yet and wondered
if I should be concerned. Let me know, no hurry.....just
wondering.
Bob Schmidt
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:06:47 -0800
From: "Larry Huber" <shootsprairie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
Canvas shouldn't be a problem. You'd need a pair of horses, at least, to
drag along a hide tipi. I assume you're on the Plains and away from
navigable water.
So, you've partnered up with a trader and keep house for him? If you
follow him around it's unlikely you'd haul around a tipi. Tipis are really
town-houses that travel in a village culture. Women usually stayed with
their tribe and the men came to them between trapping gigs. The Canadian
companies allowed employees to bring their women with them but I suspect
full blown tipis were rare. (This is a question for you, Angela.) The Metis
transported gear on their carts but what the makeup of their lodges were, I
am unclear.
Are you trying to justify the Cheyenne lodge by the tour through Sioux
country? Why bother. Just say it's Blackfoot or Sarcee or Assinaboin. A
journey so far South to get North seems more of a stretch.
I'm curious about your dress. You say you are mixed blood. What tribe
contributed the Indian line? Ojibwa? Scot or French on the European side?
How you were raised says a lot about how you dress. Your man will usually
live the way you dress him unless he has a strong culture of his own.
Anyway, expect a lot of opinions. We're an opinionated lot!
"Shoots-the-Prairie" Larry Huber
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From: Best, Dianne <dbest@hydro.mb.ca>
To: 'MountainMan Digest' <hist_text@xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:39 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
> Howdy ya'll!
>
> I am brand spanking new to this list, live up in central Canada where we
> know what cold IS, and am just getting into "living history".
>
> Got a question for you folks. I made myself a Cheyenne tipi about 10 years
> ago. I wanted to keep everything as authentic as possible but with Buffalo
> hides selling upwards of $2000 a piece, I decided to go with canvas (for a
> couple hundred dollars).
>
> Now, the persona I am working-up would be a mixed-blood from the east who
> partnered up with some traders, traveled up through Sioux country and
ended
> up planted here in the Hudson Bay Co.'s territory around 1800.
>
> I know that there was canvas tents being used at that time but does
anybody
> see an "authenticity" problem with a canvas tipi?
>
> The only canvas tipis I have seen in pictures dated from the 1870's and
> later in the Dakota territory.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Megwich!
>
> Dianne
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:29:30 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
>
> I know that there was canvas tents being used at that time but does
anybody
> see an "authenticity" problem with a canvas tipi?
>
> The only canvas tipis I have seen in pictures dated from the 1870's and
> later in the Dakota territory.
Howdy your self little lady! <G>
Larry Huber did a great job of stirring up the sparks on this one and his
post should give you lots to think about. I can keep it simple though.
Read your last sentence above first. Then read the first sentence last.
Kinda answered your own question didn't ya? <G> Do you have a problem with
the "authenticity" of your canvas tipi? Or in using one at all, much less
the style you have? The truth of the matter is that at almost any "Western"
vice "Eastern" event purporting to represent a historical "air" about it,
your tipi will be fine. I think most everyone decided a long time ago that
they were just too much fun to camp in to worry much about the fact that
they are now made of canvas and probably weren't used by mountain men (as
Larry outlines so well) all that often. Anyway those are my thoughts. <G> I
remain...
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:58:31 -0800
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
Try going to http://www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com
It might answer some of your questions.
Linda Holley
"Best, Dianne" wrote:
> Howdy ya'll!
>
> I am brand spanking new to this list, live up in central Canada where we
> know what cold IS, and am just getting into "living history".
>
> Got a question for you folks. I made myself a Cheyenne tipi about 10 years
> ago. I wanted to keep everything as authentic as possible but with Buffalo
> hides selling upwards of $2000 a piece, I decided to go with canvas (for a
> couple hundred dollars).
>
> Now, the persona I am working-up would be a mixed-blood from the east who
> partnered up with some traders, traveled up through Sioux country and ended
> up planted here in the Hudson Bay Co.'s territory around 1800.
>
> I know that there was canvas tents being used at that time but does anybody
> see an "authenticity" problem with a canvas tipi?
>
> The only canvas tipis I have seen in pictures dated from the 1870's and
> later in the Dakota territory.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Megwich!
>
> Dianne
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:29:17 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
In a message dated 11/14/0 01:31:11 PM, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes:
<< I think most everyone decided a long time ago that
they were just too much fun to camp in to worry much about the fact that
they are now made of canvas and probably weren't used by mountain men (as
Larry outlines so well) all that often.>>
Amen and Amen to the Gospel according to Lahti. Authentic - do you want to
stitch a whole tipi by hand?. Fur trade tipis of hide were commonly only 12'
- - 14' diameter, mostly the smaller ones (based on tipi rings I have observed)
and that is really cramped compared with a 16 - 18 footer. That kind of
canvas didn't make it out here until quite late. Speaking ONLY from Shoshone
tradition, they used to make them from "appropriated" covered wagon tops
(this puts us into the 1840s - 1850s) but many tipis - or more appropriately
wikki-ups - were covered with mats made of wheat grass. Just for great,
historic(-ish), memorable living - do the tipi thing!
Richard James
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:21:12 -0500
From: Jim Lockmiller <manbear@netonecom.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
Not to sound flip but could you paint it to look like buffalo hides?
Manbear
"Best, Dianne" wrote:
> Howdy ya'll!
>
> I am brand spanking new to this list, live up in central Canada where we
> know what cold IS, and am just getting into "living history".
>
> Got a question for you folks. I made myself a Cheyenne tipi about 10 years
> ago. I wanted to keep everything as authentic as possible but with Buffalo
> hides selling upwards of $2000 a piece, I decided to go with canvas (for a
> couple hundred dollars).
>
> Now, the persona I am working-up would be a mixed-blood from the east who
> partnered up with some traders, traveled up through Sioux country and ended
> up planted here in the Hudson Bay Co.'s territory around 1800.
>
> I know that there was canvas tents being used at that time but does anybody
> see an "authenticity" problem with a canvas tipi?
>
> The only canvas tipis I have seen in pictures dated from the 1870's and
> later in the Dakota territory.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Megwich!
>
> Dianne
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:45:36 -0800
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas covered tipi
Please do not. Have seen to many of these and they look horrible. Stay with the
canvas and you will be very close.
Linda Holley
Jim Lockmiller wrote:
> Not to sound flip but could you paint it to look like buffalo hides?
>
> Manbear
>
> "Best, Dianne" wrote:
>
> > Howdy ya'll!
> >
> > I am brand spanking new to this list, live up in central Canada where we
> > know what cold IS, and am just getting into "living history".
> >
> > Got a question for you folks. I made myself a Cheyenne tipi about 10 years
> > ago. I wanted to keep everything as authentic as possible but with Buffalo
> > hides selling upwards of $2000 a piece, I decided to go with canvas (for a
> > couple hundred dollars).
> >
> > Now, the persona I am working-up would be a mixed-blood from the east who
> > partnered up with some traders, traveled up through Sioux country and ended
> > up planted here in the Hudson Bay Co.'s territory around 1800.
> >
> > I know that there was canvas tents being used at that time but does anybody
> > see an "authenticity" problem with a canvas tipi?
> >
> > The only canvas tipis I have seen in pictures dated from the 1870's and
> > later in the Dakota territory.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Megwich!
> >
> > Dianne
> >
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