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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #662 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, October 27 2000 Volume 01 : Number 662 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tipis -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: new web site....www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tipis -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tipis -áááááá MtMan-List: removal of name -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tipis -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tipis -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tipis -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tipis -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: new web site....www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tipis -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tipis -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tipis -áááááá MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs -áááááá MtMan-List: Kit & Parts Buyers Beware!! -áááááá MtMan-List: Bossloper Experiences -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper Experiences -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Kit & Parts Buyers Beware!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:24:48 -0500 From: Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tipis The URL was in her subject line, I was about to ask the same thing when it hit me. http://www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com/ I should send her a picture of the remains of my friends new this spring Spring Valley tipi. She'd lit some candles in it as her and a friend were going to spend the night in it. They also were having a bonfire outside the tent. One of the people looked at the tent and wondered about all the smoke coming out the top. As soon as the opened the door - - whoosh. She could believe how fast the flame retardent tipi went up. Everything inside burnt, I was finding shells from her shell dress, she had a camp chair and pack baskets, all ashes. Should make an interesting dig site sometime! B^) Jim - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /`-_ Jim Lindberg |Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa { . }/ 724 East Grand Avenue |Flambeau Rivere Voyageurs \ / Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 USA |Sweete water and light laughter, |___| http://reality.sgi.com/jal/ |Until we next meete. Go Gentle. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:28:49 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new web site....www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com - --- SWcushing@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/25/00 6:40:21 PM, > tipis@mediaone.net writes: > > << What I need it impute on what you think, > though this is not strictly 1830s > or > so, and how to improve the pages. > >> > > Hallo Linda, > > I think I've got the distinct honor of being > the very first visitor to you > Web page! (according to the visit counter) > Outstanding site on one of my most > favorite topics! ...you did good. > > Ymos, > Magpie Hate to break the news to you, Magpie, but the counter's not working for you. I"M the very first visitor! ===== deafstones As I was walking up the stair I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. I wish, I wish he'd stay away. Hughes Mearns __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:01:19 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@brier.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tipis Linda, you may have a problem with your site... or I have a problem with Netscape 4.75.... Pictures were over the text in several places, the counter did not seem to work, and it took FOREVER to load... graphic intensive? Otherwise, it looked top be a great site... Ad Miler - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:29:43 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tipis > Linda, you may have a problem with your site... It's too wide. Try to size your page so that it is less than 640 pixels wide. Most users have only 14" or 15" monitors and will not read your page if they have to scroll back and forth to read it. > Pictures were over the text in several places, The relative spacings you have chosen for your graphics cause them to float, rather than have the text wrap around them, and consequently they float over the text, rendering it unreadable. This is true even when using IE5.5, the latest version which should support your Frontpage coding. >the counter did not seem to work, The right side of the counter is covered by a graphic, making only part of the left side viewable. >FOREVER to load... graphic intensive? Get one of the shareware graphics programs which allows you to size and compress the graphics. Paintshop Pro is the best and can be downloaded from most of the software repositories. Compressing them allows them to load faster. > Otherwise, it looked top be a great site... Good site once you get the bugs worked out of it. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:44:03 EDT From: Huss931@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: removal of name Please remove me from the list; thank you. huss931@aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:28:21 EDT From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tipis In a message dated 10/26/00, admiller@brier.net writes: << Linda, you may have a problem with your site... or I have a problem with Netscape 4.75.... Pictures were over the text in several places,>> I get the same thing witht eh same version of Netscape, but do not have the same problem with Internet Explorer. i did not change my settings and do not know if this has any effect. I'm set at 1024 x 786. <<the counter did not seem to work, >> Same here, both browsers. Otherwise it's a great site and seems to be well thought out. As for the problem with the counter, could be any number of things. As for the other problem, using a table might be the solution. Longshot "Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage" http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:38:13 EDT From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tipis Linda, Just looked at yer code for why the pic is overlaying the wording. Problem is in your code. I would suggest thinking about using a table to correct it. Longshot "Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage" http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:01:28 -0700 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tipis Go to www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com or go to www.tipis.org harddog wrote: > My email seems to be on the blink. Just where is this Tipi site? > > Harddog > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:10:19 -0700 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tipis Send me the photos of the burned lodge...will add them to a later page on tipi dissasters...including my own 12' that burned to the ground. linda Jim Lindberg wrote: > The URL was in her subject line, I was about to ask the same thing when > it hit me. > > http://www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com/ > > I should send her a picture of the remains of my friends new this spring > Spring Valley tipi. She'd lit some candles in it as her and a friend > were going to spend the night in it. They also were having a bonfire > outside the tent. One of the people looked at the tent and wondered > about all the smoke coming out the top. As soon as the opened the door > - whoosh. She could believe how fast the flame retardent tipi went up. > Everything inside burnt, I was finding shells from her shell dress, she > had a camp chair and pack baskets, all ashes. Should make an > interesting dig site sometime! B^) > > Jim > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > /`-_ Jim Lindberg |Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa > { . }/ 724 East Grand Avenue |Flambeau Rivere Voyageurs > \ / Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 USA |Sweete water and light laughter, > |___| http://reality.sgi.com/jal/ |Until we next meete. Go Gentle. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:36:33 -0700 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new web site....www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com No guys, I was the first and then everybody after was first. How do you turn the counters on??? Linda S Jones wrote: > --- SWcushing@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/25/00 6:40:21 PM, > > tipis@mediaone.net writes: > > > > << What I need it impute on what you think, > > though this is not strictly 1830s > > or > > so, and how to improve the pages. > > >> > > > > Hallo Linda, > > > > I think I've got the distinct honor of being > > the very first visitor to you > > Web page! (according to the visit counter) > > Outstanding site on one of my most > > favorite topics! ...you did good. > > > > Ymos, > > Magpie > > Hate to break the news to you, Magpie, but the > counter's not working for you. I"M the very first visitor! > > ===== > deafstones > As I was walking up the stair > I met a man who wasn't there. > He wasn't there again today. > I wish, I wish he'd stay away. > Hughes Mearns > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:41:55 -0700 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tipis I am straightening out the pages tonight. As I said, this is very graphic intensive even with gif and jpg. Will be working on it tonight and for the next few days. I used Explorer and found the same problem on the photos overlapping. This is a research and information site..... And can I link to you.....? Linda Addison Miller wrote: > Linda, you may have a problem with your site... or I have a problem with > Netscape 4.75.... Pictures were over the text in several places, the counter > did not seem to work, and it took FOREVER to load... graphic intensive? > Otherwise, it looked top be a great site... > > Ad Miler > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:46:02 -0700 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tipis Thanks for the info. I have a 17 plus screen and then saw it for the first time on my other 14"...oooops. Still working on the site...and it is very picture oriented. I used jpg because of the fuzziness of gif for most photos since many people do research on the tipis. But I do see the point. Will be working on it tonight to pare down the size of a page, changing photos, and adding many more. Linda ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote: > > Linda, you may have a problem with your site... > > It's too wide. Try to size your page so that it is less than 640 pixels > wide. Most users have only 14" or 15" monitors and will not read your page > if they have to scroll back and forth to read it. > > > Pictures were over the text in several places, > > The relative spacings you have chosen for your graphics cause them to float, > rather than have the text wrap around them, and consequently they float over > the text, rendering it unreadable. This is true even when using IE5.5, the > latest version which should support your Frontpage coding. > > >the counter did not seem to work, > > The right side of the counter is covered by a graphic, making only part of > the left side viewable. > > >FOREVER to load... graphic intensive? > > Get one of the shareware graphics programs which allows you to size and > compress the graphics. Paintshop Pro is the best and can be downloaded from > most of the software repositories. Compressing them allows them to load > faster. > > > Otherwise, it looked top be a great site... > > Good site once you get the bugs worked out of it. > > Dave Kanger > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:56:32 -0700 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tipis Want to thank everyone here who is putting impute into the web site. I am writing down all the information and given time, I will sort out the problems and conquer them. Hey, it took me a while to hit my first 10X with my "original" Lemman or Lyman or however you spell that darn name. Keep the suggestions coming. Linda Holley - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:10:10 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs Ho Camp, I have a friend who runs a deer processing center and I have access to some pretty good whitetail skins. I have done a good bit of research (books and web mostly cause I don't know anyone round here who does braintan) and am ready to start trying to braintan a skin or two. The materials I have read all talk about the different types of brain to use. I was just wondering if anyone out there knows if the brains can make you sick or residue wil do the same (some brains carry viruses and "slow viruses" - that hang around for months or years and then get you)? Has anyone gotten sick from this process? What steps can I take (besides latex gloves) to prevent this? Or am I just worrying too much about this? Thanks for advice anyone! Humbly Yours, - -C. Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 05:33:20 -0700 From: Randal J Bublitz <randybublitz@juno.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs C. Kent, It won't hurt to be careful. I wash my hands often with good soap all through the process. I also use lots of hand lotion, If your skin is saturated it won't soak up as well. I don't handle brains if I have raw cuts, etc.. on my hands. I have heard of fellows having problems with bacteria infections, but the word is these guys weren't very hygenic in the first place. If your hands are cracked, or cut, or puntured, ....heal your hands before messing with brains, etc.... I have never used gloves while braining, but I do make sure my hands aren't 'open' for infection. My favorite brain books are Wet-Scrape Braintanned Buckskin, by Edholm and Wilder ISBN 0-9654965-4-6 and Deerskins into Buckskins by Richards ISBN 0-9658672-0-X hope this helps, hardtack - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:39:49 -0700 From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <tphsb@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs according to my limited knowledge of such parasites. you have to ingest them, through the digestive system. the reason the effects take a year to notice is, the parasite is making it's way slowly from the bowel to the blood stream and eventually to the brain. plus, I think you have to cook the brains before you use them to tan hides, therfore killing the parasites. please correct me, anybody, if I'm wrong about this. YMOS Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: <HikingOnThru@cs.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 4:10 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs > Ho Camp, > > I have a friend who runs a deer processing center and I have access to some > pretty good whitetail skins. I have done a good bit of research (books and > web mostly cause I don't know anyone round here who does braintan) and am > ready to start trying to braintan a skin or two. The materials I have read > all talk about the different types of brain to use. I was just wondering if > anyone out there knows if the brains can make you sick or residue wil do the > same (some brains carry viruses and "slow viruses" - that hang around for > months or years and then get you)? Has anyone gotten sick from this process? > What steps can I take (besides latex gloves) to prevent this? Or am I just > worrying too much about this? Thanks for advice anyone! > > Humbly Yours, > -C. Kent > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:49:49 -0700 From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs Get an experienced hand to help you through your first hide or two. Save on time & frustration. Books listed are great! Also lots good info at braintan.com. As long as you don't have open cuts on your hands you'll be okay....but don't ask me how I know this. Rick - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:29:21 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs C.Kent By all means use the latex gloves. Several years ago a friend of mine = brain tanned a deer skin with his bare hands, one of which had a couple = of small open cuts...paper cut size, not big wounds at all. His hand = got infected so badly that he was bedridden for days. Buy plenty of = brains (ask your butcher) and make a fresh batch of brain solution when = needed Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:46:19 -0600 From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs At 05:39 PM 10/26/2000 -0700, you wrote: >according to my limited knowledge of such parasites. you have to ingest >them, through the digestive system. the reason the effects take a year to >notice is, the parasite is making it's way slowly from the bowel to the >blood stream and eventually to the brain. plus, I think you have to cook >the brains before you use them to tan hides, therfore killing the >parasites. please correct me, anybody, if I'm wrong about this. >YMOS >Tom As Tom noted, cooking helps. I use my wife's blender and blend the brains up really fine (usually when she's gone, then wash good to hide the evidence). Next I throw the brain "soup" into a pan with a little water and bring it to a boil. The brains will go from pink to gray. As soon as they hit a boil I take them off the heat and let them cool. I usually then put the brains in the container I'll be soaking the hides in and add enough cold water to make the solution cool. If you can't leave your hand in there for about a minute, it's too hot. Don't want to "cook" the hide. This has worked for me and I've had no problems infection wise. Good luck! Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:01:19 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs In a message dated 10/26/0 04:11:17 PM, HikingOnThru@cs.com writes: <<Or am I just worrying too much about this? >> Yup. Those brains are simmered into "soup" before you begin to use them. The rule for pasturization is 140 degrees plus for 10 minutes kills bacteria. You will get some other messages, but all the times I have done this process and all the Indians I know who have . . . nobody got sick from it. R. James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:26:11 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs Next I throw the brain "soup" into a pan with a little water and > bring it to a boil. The brains will go from pink to gray Allen, I didn't want to jump in here too soon because I know many of you have had a lot more experience braining hides than I have. But just for a bit extra info, when I did it I cooked the brains as a whole first to the gray color (done) and then pulverized them in the wife's blender when she wasn't around, cleaned it up and put it away and added the brain soup to water as you do. Worked fine. So I think you can cook them first, then pulverize if you want to. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:53:00 EDT From: Ssturtle1199@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs If the brains have been handled correctly it ain't no different from any other piece of meat. Keep them cold until ready to use, and then make your slush. Work it 1 day and dispose of leftovers. Till trails cross Turtle - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:55:22 +1300 From: Duncan Macready <duncanm@ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Braintan and bugs The part you actually use of the brain in braintan is the fats, as long as you don't cook up the brain enough to render out the fat or denature it ,you shouldn't have a problem. YMOS Cutfinger Friendships made,Problems shared Campfires across the wilderness. Auckland, New Zealand - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:00:44 -0700 From: "Bruce S. de Lis" <delis@fastq.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Kit & Parts Buyers Beware!! I would like to share a recent experience with you in hopes that non of you get Burned as I recently did on a Longrifle Kit, that I purchase from what I can only describe as an unscrupulous trader who does not stand behind his written or spoken word. About Eleven months ago I was thing about a certain style Longrifle and found this Trader that sell such and kits with grades of wood from very low to very highly figured, and his catalog clearly stated that this particular kit came with a =93Large Siler Lock=94. I called the trader on several occasions to ask questions about his particular lit, and how he graded his wood. Also I asked if his Siler Locks that were supplied with his kit were Chamber Silers, or Generic Silers. I was told by the Trader that the locks we Silers that he specifically had assembled, and were every much as good as the Chamber Slier that are so fine. THIS TRADER does not accept PLASTIC, and only does business by check, cash or money order. I order the kits with the assurance of getting what I was promised, and sent a personal check for almost $800.00 to cover the kit, replacement Investment Cast Ram Rod Pipes, and Entry Thimble, Patch Box, and Patch Box Release Spring Kit. The box with the kit arrived in three weeks and I drove cross town to drop it off with my friend who is a hobby builder. Went we opened the kit to my surprise thing were not right. First off I did not get as promised on the telephone & catalog a Large Siler Lock. What was enclosed was a poorly assemble L & R Classic lock that had more than a few problems. Also the Investment Cast Ram Rod Pipes, and Entry Thimble that I pad extra for were not included in the kit was I got was the STANDARD Brass Sheet Metal Ram Rod Pipes, and Entry Thimble. Last the stock that I paid a real premium for was not as represented =93Striped Like A Barber Pole From End to End=94. So the next business day I called the Trader spoke with the owner of the company and asked what gives. The explanation I got was that the L & R Classic was =93TECHNICALLY=94 a Siler, also =93HE=94 thought the enclosed= Rod Pipes, and Entry Thimble would look best with the kit I ordered. Last the stock that was sent was =93HIS BEST=94. I had already check the Lock Mortise, and found that his L & R Lock Mortise was way to big for a Large Siler, and that if I purchased a Large Siler from Chambers it would flop around in the over sized lock mortise. I asked the Trader about his =93RETURN=94 policy stated in his catalog, a= nd was told in so many words that what I got was his best and he could do nothing for me at this point. As all his kit were the same, and I was getting the impression that I was dealing with an unscrupulous person who had my money, and I really had no recourse. The point of this post is a WARNING TO ALL WHO READ THIS. If you are not able to purchase in person, and must do as I did. Use your CREDIT CARD, and DO NOT SEND CHECKS, CASH, OR MONEY ORDERS AS I DID. As I wound up with a canceled check, and POOR QUALITY, NOT AS STATED KIT WITH ZERO RECOURSE. Had I used a Credit Card as payment I would have had all kinds of recourse, and would have been able to put the charge in a DISPUTED status, and in the end I am sure all I may have eaten was return postage for the kit returned to the trader. I will not tell you the name of this unscrupulous trader, but they have been in business many years. That have a catalog, and sell a bunch of stuff. I should have know better as most business persons who are doing a high volume of sales would normally take one of the major credit cards, as it open up more potential sales of those who wish to buy and pay on time. But than as a merchant you must sign an agreement to conduct business with in what I shall call =93Ethical Guidelines=94. The kit was finished into a gun, and sold several months after completion through a broker for what I had in the kit. So in the end I had no monitory loss, just a lot of aggravation. The Lock is not a fast good sparking Siler, it is a slow, poor sparker poorly assembled L & R Classic. I will state on last time when making purchase in person check check, and re check what you are buy. Always try to use your CREDIT CARD as you have right you do not when paying with cash, check, or money order. Last if you must buy mail order use your CREDIT CARD to protect yourself from unscrupulous traders. Also remember that most Trader are reputable Business People who want Repeat business, but there is a small percentage who one they got your money could careless about after sales service, as they got your money... PP - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:50:55 -0600 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@favorites.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Bossloper Experiences This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C03F9F.32FD87C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Earlier this week Capt Lahti wrote: What traveling expenses? Driving out of town and walking off into the = woods for a few days with some jerk and parched corn? Or without? And = just living off the land? Sounds like a smoke screen to me. <G> Since no = one else commented on the good Capt's words am I the only who thought = that he was referring to his fellow sashayer or peregrinators as "some = jerk" when they read his post for the first time?=20 Humbly WY - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C03F9F.32FD87C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> Earlier this week Capt Lahti wrote: What traveling expenses? Driving out of town and walking off into the = woods=20 for a few days with some jerk and parched corn? Or without? And just = living off=20 the land? Sounds like a smoke screen to me. <G> Since no one else=20 commented on the good Capt’s words am I the only who thought that = he was=20 referring to his fellow sashayer or peregrinators as "some jerk" when = they read=20 his post for the first time? Humbly WY</DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C03F9F.32FD87C0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:29:59 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bossloper Experiences - --- Wynn & Gretchen Ormond <leona3@favorites.com> wrote: > Earlier this week Capt Lahti wrote: > > What traveling expenses? Driving out of town and walking off into the woods for a few days with some jerk and parched corn? Or without? And just living off the land? Sounds like a smoke screen to me. <G> Since no one else commented on the good Capt's words am I the only who thought that he was referring to his fellow sashayer or peregrinators as "some jerk" when they read his post for the first time? <SNIP> I am the original poster of the request for your experiences with the AMM. The travel expenses I mentioned referred to the requirement of attending National or Territorial events. Neither is mandatory but I understand that it is essential that others do witness your efforts and handiwork. I also understand that not all Brigades can accomodate all levels of skills, interests and authenticity. I'm in central Kansas between the Cheyenne Bottoms and Quivera Wildlife Refuges. The Mixed Grass Plains are a far cry from the Mountain Man's haven. The Santa Fe Trail does cross my front door. The Kansas Brigade has only 7 members and I do know three of them. As I said, not all Brigades are the same or accomodating. I do learn, practice and live a week-end or two a month the 18th and 19th century ways and manners, usually alone. My interest in the AMM is a search of companions and hopefully a mentor. This forum has helped me dispell some of the mis-information I've gathered before I subscribed to the list. Thanks very much. I don't mind being judged as tactless since I know the web is a voiceless and faceless medium. Here's hoping our trails do cross. ===== deafstones As I was walking up the stair I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. I wish, I wish he'd stay away. Hughes Mearns __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:30:08 -0600 From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@about.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Kit & Parts Buyers Beware!! <html><head><meta Name='keywords' Content='commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></head><body ><div align='left'><blockquote><blockquote><TT> - ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Bruce S. de Lis" <delis@fastq.com> Sent: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:00:44 -0700 To: "18thCenturyAmerica@egroups.com" <18thCenturyAmerica@egroups.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Kit & Parts Buyers Beware!! I would like to share a recent experience with you in hopes that non of you get Burned as I recently did on a Longrifle Kit, that I purchase from what I can only describe as an unscrupulous trader who does not stand behind his written or spoken word........................ I will state on last time when making purchase in person check check, and re check what you are buy. Always try to use your CREDIT CARD as you have right you do not when paying with cash, check, or money order. Last if you must buy mail order use your CREDIT CARD to protect yourself from unscrupulous traders. Also remember that most Trader are reputable Business People who want Repeat business, but there is a small percentage who one they got your money could careless about after sales service, as they got your money... PP - ---- End Original Message ---- This is sad but a story I hear at least once or twice a year, more resently on craftsman selling their wares. Having provided supplies for the period folks for over 25 years from a retail, a wholesale and a mail order business', I hate to see this still a problem, so be aware of it and check out whom your dealing with. A good source for checking your next advertised trader out would be on the internet period trade list - talk lines or the trader's local better business association, good luck. </TT> <TT>Take care, Barry "Buck" Conner Resource & Documentation for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers". ________________________________________HRD__ Visit my camp: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Visit HRD at: http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ Aux Aliments de Pays! ______________________________________________ </TT> <TT>Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com </TT></blockquote></blockquote></div></body></html> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #662 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.