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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #590 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, July 12 2000 Volume 01 : Number 590 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: Book Recommendation -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Leggings -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher -áááááá MtMan-List: OT (sorta): Thankee Kindly -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OT (sorta): Thankee Kindly -áááááá MtMan-List: please take me off the mailing list -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: OT (sorta): Thankee Kindly -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pistol -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:26:11 EDT From: TheTain@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Book Recommendation While on a recent trip up to Coeur d'Alene, Idaho I visited the museum in Boise. Not a whole lot about mountain men or the fur trade in their museum there. However, while browsing through the museum store I ran across a book: "The Last of the Mountain Men" by Harold Peterson. Published by: Backeddy Books Box 301 Cambridge, Idaho, 83610. It is the story of Sylvan A. Hart a.k.a. "Buckskin Bill." While not an "adventure" story, it is the story of one man living in the wilderness, fending for himself. I enjoyed the read. Did his own blacksmithing, built his own Blackpowder rifles, gardened, hunted, trapped, panned gold, you name it... he did it. He lived in the wilderness alone for over 30 years. If you can find it, I would recommend it as an enjoyable, easy read. Especially for those of us who appreciate and enjoy life in the mountains. Yours in Freedom... Joe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:26:53 -0600 From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Leggings Matt, Any light weight leather will work. Deer, antelope will do fine. Since it is going over the pants, you need it to be thin (but durable). Stay away from split or shaved leather. Usually this kind is a heavier weight that will still be hot to wear. Brain tan is the best, flexable, breathable but it is alot of work. Probably the most important things when making leggings is making the ties and not having bagging knees! mike. Matt Porter wrote: > Ho the list! > I've about completed my shirt, broadfall trousers, and vest; and I > wanted to know what type and weight of leather should I make my leggings > that will go over trousers. There went another one of those questions, > Dennis... <BG> > > YMHS > Matt Porter > Located in a hot and humid thicket in Sardis, Arkansas. > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:28:43 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher - --- Walt Foster <Wfoster@cw2.com> wrote: > S. Jones, > > Can you tell me what the 15 requirements are? > > Walt > On the Lewis & Clark Trail > Park City, Montana Pardon me for assuming anyone would know what I am writing about. The membership requirements can be found on their home page. Believe it or not, my main difficulty is finding or recognizing potential sponsors. The Bossloper (Full) Membership in the American Mountain Men are as follows: AMM Bossloper Requirements Membership in the AMM is by invitation only. Once invited, to become a full-fledged member of the AMM, you must complete any ten of the requirements below during your two year Pilgrim (probationary) period. 1. Must have a full set of hand-cut and -sewn clothing and handmade accoutrements. These must be researched for authenticity of the 1800-40 period and be of a type which would have been seen on men in, or moving to, the Rocky Mountains. Rifles, saddles, traps, blankets, and other accoutrements that would normally have required the work of a specialized craftsman need not be handmade, but must be as authentic as can be purchased today. 2. Must have spent at least two days and one night in a primitive camp during each season of the year. 3. Must have spent an accumulative time of two or more weeks in the wilderness under primitive conditions in the company of no more than one other member. Each stay must be at least three full days and two full nights. 4. Must have spent at least one full week in a primitive encampment in the company of other members at the territorial AMM Rendezvous (Eastern or Western) and/or the National (Rocky Mountain) AMM Rendezvous. 5. Must be able to demonstrate the skills needed for primitive survival in the wilderness of his area and must be willing to teach said skills to other members when requested by a Party Booshway or Director of this Association. 6. Must be able to demonstrate trapping ability using steel traps, snares, and traps made from natural materials found in the area. As many states do not allow the use of some, or any, of these traps, the actual taking of game is not required, although it is suggested where possible and legal. 7. Must be able to demonstrate ability to track man or animal under natural wilderness conditions. 8. Must be able to demonstrate the ability to properly pack a horse, canoe (or bullboat), or a man for distance travel under possible adverse conditions. 9. Must be able to properly field dress (clean and skin) a game animal under primitive conditions. 10. Must be able to start a fire in wet, as well as dry, weather using flint and steel or fire drill using tinder and wood found under natural conditions. 11. Must be able to show ability to tan or Indian-dress hides. 12. Must have spent at least five days traveling on foot, snowshoe, canoe, and/or horseback. a. One method or a combination may be used. b. Bullboat may be used in place of canoe. c. You are expected to gain as much distance as possible. d.This trip must be under primitive conditions, taking nothing that would not have been available to the mountain man between 1800-1840. Rifle, hunting bag, powder horn, and knife must be along. 13. Must be able to cook a meal of meat using only the meat, fire, a knife, and materials found in nature. 14. Must be able to converse using Plains Indians hand talk. The 200 words on page 64 of Tompkin's book "Indian Sign Language", will be used as a basis for conversation. To complete this requirement, you must demonstrate your ability to read the signs for 50 words, as well as to give the signs for 50 words. 15. Must have hunted for and killed at least one game or fur animal with a muzzleloading firearm or primitive bow and must have used the skin and/or meat for food, clothing and/or accoutrements. The hunt must be made from a strictly primitive camp, the hunt accomplished under primitive conditions within the limits of local game laws. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail û Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:55:30 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher > I did use that distinction for the very reason you mention. Another writer > uses the phrase "over the mountain men". Dropping the word over to > establish a link to "the mountain men" to the east of the historic area. > Removing the word over from the phrase changes everything. Walt "As pointed out last night on the History Channel's program about the pivotal battles in our early history, the Battle of Kings Mountain against the British under Ferguson (inventor of the Ferguson Breech loading flint lock rifle) the winners of that battle were the "Over Mountain Men". Read that "Mountain Men", nay, read that "The First North American 'Mountain Men'. Any who can claim that title later are still late comers to the name and owe to their fore barers all due respect as the "First of the Mountain Men". " Walt, If we're going to get picky then let's quote accuratly. Above is a copy of what the writer originally wrote. In that particular passage the reference was to the "Over Mountain Men" as they were historically called, not "over the mountain men" as you propose. These individuals were also refered to as the "Mountain Men" as a term of respect and recognition historically in their own time. The writer was trying to make the point that these individuals comprised the First Mountain Men in America. History records that this was the case. These men came from the western most fringes of the new Nation and fought during the Kings Mountain Battle of our Revolutionary War. I would venture to suggest that they also went on to be the same hardy frontiersmen who went further west during this country's early 19th Century Fur Trade in the Rocky Mountains. I can assure you that the writer did not mean to take anything away from the couragious late comers who explored and made their way in the Rocky Mountains and made their names great amongst us , but rather intended to put things in historical perspective which I believe he did. I remain.... Respectfully, Farther down the Trail of L&C, YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:23:21 -0500 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com>, I know not your name so I can't address this properly as you've failed to introduce yourself to this list. RE: AMM membership AMM is not much about requirements. AMM is not much about buckskinners or buckskinning. AMM ain't much about drinking. The worst reason to join AMM is because you consider it a credential. AMM is a brotherhood of men with a common historical interest. In order to know a man as a brother whom you've never met means you must trust the word of your known brothers that anyone they may ask to join is of like mind. Sponsorship is the weightiest responsibility each member holds, that is why it can be difficult to join. It is not a perfect system: it is the one we abide by. Some take the responsibility more seriously than do others. Unless you get to know a member well it ain't likely to happen. You may already know members (some don't wear their affiliation on their sleeve). I have never sponsored and always spoken against those who were begging to get in. It is always for the wrong reasons. AMM is not for everyone. It was not founded to provide anyone "recognition" for their involvement in buckskinning. John... #656 At 09:28 AM 7/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks for your reply. My interest in the AMM is of >course to attain recognition of my involvement in >buckskinning. Reviewing the 15 requirements during the >2 year Pilgrim period, I won't have MUCH difficulty in >satisfying but neither is it a breeze. I am profoundly >deaf which is more of a social liability than a >physical handicap (handicap? hell, I sleep well, kids >noise doesn't bother me, etc. handicap? huh). Therein >lies my problem. I shy away from gatherings be it the >local bars, church meetings or rendezvous. If it's >just a shoot, then I'm ok, I shoot first, then camp, >then drink til darkness falls and that's my day. >Requirement no. 5 is the only one to give me pause. >Requirement no. 15 might occur this September if I >draw an elk permit(hoping). As some one else said on >this list "Vanity. All is vanity." (who said that?) I >agree. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On >Behalf Of Larry Huber > > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:44 PM > > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets >tougher > > > > Aside from being a forum for the historical fur >trade and a school in > > survival, the American Mountain Men is a fraternal >organization that seeks > > its company in like mided individuals. In other > > words, were supposed to > > be > > social. True lone wolves will find that part > > difficult. You need to be > > "on > > the ground" with a number of the members over a > > certain period of time. > > Once the boys get to know you, getting two > > sponsers shouldn't be a > > problem...unless it is. > > > > Larry Huber #1517 > > > If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong. john <kramer@kramerize.com> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:48:50 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher S. Jones Looks pretty straight forward to me. A bit easier than the original which was spending a year in the mountains. I note the use of the bow! I do hope you can lash up with someone who can give you the opportunity to realize your dream. Walt 15. Must have hunted for and killed at least one game or fur animal with a muzzleloading firearm or primitive bow and must have used the skin and/or meat for food, clothing and/or accoutrements. The hunt must be made from a strictly primitive camp, the hunt accomplished under primitive conditions within the limits of local game laws. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:48:52 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher Roger, My grandmother Wilson was from the neck of the woods under discussion. She was very proud of being a Daughter of the American Republic [DAR] and her Cherokee heritage as well. My Aunt Nathalie was named after Nathan Foster who left New York right after the Revolutionary War for what we now call Missouri. They referred to their relations as woods men not mountain men. I believe this dilutes history not strengthens it. I do not think the writer makes a valid point but you are entitled to your opinion. I think John Colter was the first American mountain man. One condition for a green horn was to spend a year in the Rocky Mountains. Walt Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:57:38 -0400 (EDT) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: OT (sorta): Thankee Kindly to Hawk, Buck, Lanney for sharing some of your very interesting ancestors stories. God the Great Spirit Father and His Only Begotten Son have definitely seen in their wisdom and foreknowledge to pass many of your forefathers noble DNA traits down to ye. Have high hopes that ye will continue to fare well. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher Pardon my faux-pas for not introducing myself. I am Steven R Jones, an outdoor enthusiast since childhood. The transition from my early backpacking/gypsy days to buckskinning/historical re-enactments (Pawnee Rock/Fort larned) seamless, requiring just an exchange of clothes and re-adopting the old materials like linen, leather and wool. I've shot blackpowder since my first CVA kit in 1981(?). I met the Jedediah Smith Muzzleloading Club of Dodge City, Kansas and joined them in 1984, I believe. Ed 'Sidemeat' Ingram of Tribune, KS, told me about the American Mountain Men then and offered to sponsor me for membership since I was intrigued by his stories. I've braindressed a few deerskins and given them to friends. I've heard about my Cherokee ancestors back in North Carolina and Oklahoma, the ones who survived the Trail of Tears and Andrew Jackson refusal to enforce the Supreme Court decision in the tribe's favor. I could go on but I think I got the gist on the list now. Your comment on credentials set me thinking again. Why indeed do I look for an invitation? I suppose it's unfinished business from a few years ago originally. I have time now that I only have myself to care of now. I already do or am doing most of the requirements. That satisfaction will be sufficient. I guess I am looking for company so should I go to the bigger rendezvous now? Where else? Joining the Bosslopers would not give me bragging rights. I am still a seeker of knowledge and MAYBE a teacher of a lesson or two. You are right, it's the members that's important, not the credentials. Whether or not I am recognized doesn't matter. - --- John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> wrote: > S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com>, > > I know not your name so I can't address this > properly as you've failed to > introduce yourself to this list. > > > RE: AMM membership > > AMM is not much about requirements. > > AMM is not much about buckskinners or buckskinning. > > AMM ain't much about drinking. > > The worst reason to join AMM is because you consider > it a credential. > > AMM is a brotherhood of men with a common historical > interest. > > In order to know a man as a brother whom you've > never met means you must > trust the word of your known brothers that anyone > they may ask to join is > of like mind. Sponsorship is the weightiest > responsibility each member > holds, that is why it can be difficult to join. It > is not a perfect > system: it is the one we abide by. Some take the > responsibility more > seriously than do others. > > Unless you get to know a member well it ain't likely > to happen. You may > already know members (some don't wear their > affiliation on their sleeve). > > I have never sponsored and always spoken against > those who were begging to > get in. It is always for the wrong reasons. > > AMM is not for everyone. It was not founded to > provide anyone > "recognition" for their involvement in buckskinning. > > John... #656 > > > > At 09:28 AM 7/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >Thanks for your reply. My interest in the AMM is of > >course to attain recognition of my involvement in > >buckskinning. Reviewing the 15 requirements during > the > >2 year Pilgrim period, I won't have MUCH difficulty > in > >satisfying but neither is it a breeze. I am > profoundly > >deaf which is more of a social liability than a > >physical handicap (handicap? hell, I sleep well, > kids > >noise doesn't bother me, etc. handicap? huh). > Therein > >lies my problem. I shy away from gatherings be it > the > >local bars, church meetings or rendezvous. If it's > >just a shoot, then I'm ok, I shoot first, then > camp, > >then drink til darkness falls and that's my day. > >Requirement no. 5 is the only one to give me pause. > >Requirement no. 15 might occur this September if I > >draw an elk permit(hoping). As some one else said > on > >this list "Vanity. All is vanity." (who said that?) > I > >agree. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On > >Behalf Of Larry Huber > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:44 PM > > > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets > >tougher > > > > > > Aside from being a forum for the historical fur > >trade and a school in > > > survival, the American Mountain Men is a > fraternal > >organization that seeks > > > its company in like mided individuals. In other > > > words, were supposed to > > > be > > > social. True lone wolves will find that part > > > difficult. You need to be > > > "on > > > the ground" with a number of the members over a > > > certain period of time. > > > Once the boys get to know you, getting two > > > sponsers shouldn't be a > > > problem...unless it is. > > > > > > Larry Huber #1517 > > > > > > If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong. > john <kramer@kramerize.com> > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail û Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher Oh yeah, one more item. I wanted an invitation to join just so I can assess the archives since I'm not a member. No password for farts like me, huh? - --- John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> wrote: > S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com>, > > I know not your name so I can't address this > properly as you've failed to > introduce yourself to this list. > > > RE: AMM membership > > AMM is not much about requirements. > > AMM is not much about buckskinners or buckskinning. > > AMM ain't much about drinking. > > The worst reason to join AMM is because you consider > it a credential. > > AMM is a brotherhood of men with a common historical > interest. > > In order to know a man as a brother whom you've > never met means you must > trust the word of your known brothers that anyone > they may ask to join is > of like mind. Sponsorship is the weightiest > responsibility each member > holds, that is why it can be difficult to join. It > is not a perfect > system: it is the one we abide by. Some take the > responsibility more > seriously than do others. > > Unless you get to know a member well it ain't likely > to happen. You may > already know members (some don't wear their > affiliation on their sleeve). > > I have never sponsored and always spoken against > those who were begging to > get in. It is always for the wrong reasons. > > AMM is not for everyone. It was not founded to > provide anyone > "recognition" for their involvement in buckskinning. > > John... #656 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail û Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2000 19:18:34 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT (sorta): Thankee Kindly On Wed, 12 July 2000, JON MARINETTI wrote: > > to Hawk, Buck, Lanney for sharing some of your very interesting ancestors stories. God the Great Spirit Father and His Only Begotten Son have definitely seen in their wisdom and foreknowledge to pass many of your forefathers noble DNA traits down to ye. Have high hopes that ye will continue to fare well. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John, We thank you for thoughts, but we where not bragging per say, just sharing. Everyone on this list has family with interesting history, that's why we are on this list - to share with each other. I personally feel the greatest historian and a very good friend that most have met in our live time is Charles E. Hanson, Jr. What would the fur trade be today without his work and never ending ability to share with all. Let's not forget Marie (Charleys Mrs.), she was the backbone of the Museum of the Fur Trade and supported her husband in every venture. I think as a whole, we (the "list") do pretty good at staying on the subjects at hand, some think otherwise, but overall Dean should be happy with what he started. In the spirit of the Hanson's, your families histories and others keep the channels open and share. Thanks to our "list" members. Later. Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "One who trades" "Uno quien negocia" "Unquil Commerce" English Spanish French * Phila * St.Louis * Trade West * Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:19:54 EDT From: Huntershorn1@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: please take me off the mailing list please take me off the mailing list - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2000 19:28:14 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT (sorta): Thankee Kindly On Wed, 12 July 2000, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > I personally feel the greatest historian and a very good friend that most have met in our live [mis-spelled should have been "life"] time is Charles E. Hanson, Jr...... .....in our live [life]...... sorry, having trouble with cramps in my hands again and hitting the wrong keys, for taking part in something you enjoy - didn't think it would have to hurt !!! Getting old, rode hard and put away wet I figure. Later. Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "One who trades" "Uno quien negocia" "Unquil Commerce" English Spanish French * Phila * St.Louis * Trade West * Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:36:43 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher Well said, John. YF&B Lanney #1585 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:53:20 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana 15. Must have hunted for and killed at least one game or fur animal with a muzzleloading firearm or primitive bow and must have used the skin and/or meat for food, clothing and/or accoutrements. The hunt must be made from a strictly primitive camp, the hunt accomplished under primitive conditions within the limits of local game laws. I would like to know why the bow has not been a topic of discussion on this list? Walt Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:09:48 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher John, Extremely well said. You pretty much hit all the nails squarely on the head. Pendleton # 1572 - -----Original Message----- From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 6:24 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com>, I know not your name so I can't address this properly as you've failed to introduce yourself to this list. RE: AMM membership AMM is not much about requirements. AMM is not much about buckskinners or buckskinning. AMM ain't much about drinking. The worst reason to join AMM is because you consider it a credential. AMM is a brotherhood of men with a common historical interest. In order to know a man as a brother whom you've never met means you must trust the word of your known brothers that anyone they may ask to join is of like mind. Sponsorship is the weightiest responsibility each member holds, that is why it can be difficult to join. It is not a perfect system: it is the one we abide by. Some take the responsibility more seriously than do others. Unless you get to know a member well it ain't likely to happen. You may already know members (some don't wear their affiliation on their sleeve). I have never sponsored and always spoken against those who were begging to get in. It is always for the wrong reasons. AMM is not for everyone. It was not founded to provide anyone "recognition" for their involvement in buckskinning. John... #656 At 09:28 AM 7/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks for your reply. My interest in the AMM is of >course to attain recognition of my involvement in >buckskinning. Reviewing the 15 requirements during the >2 year Pilgrim period, I won't have MUCH difficulty in >satisfying but neither is it a breeze. I am profoundly >deaf which is more of a social liability than a >physical handicap (handicap? hell, I sleep well, kids >noise doesn't bother me, etc. handicap? huh). Therein >lies my problem. I shy away from gatherings be it the >local bars, church meetings or rendezvous. If it's >just a shoot, then I'm ok, I shoot first, then camp, >then drink til darkness falls and that's my day. >Requirement no. 5 is the only one to give me pause. >Requirement no. 15 might occur this September if I >draw an elk permit(hoping). As some one else said on >this list "Vanity. All is vanity." (who said that?) I >agree. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On >Behalf Of Larry Huber > > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:44 PM > > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets >tougher > > > > Aside from being a forum for the historical fur >trade and a school in > > survival, the American Mountain Men is a fraternal >organization that seeks > > its company in like mided individuals. In other > > words, were supposed to > > be > > social. True lone wolves will find that part > > difficult. You need to be > > "on > > the ground" with a number of the members over a > > certain period of time. > > Once the boys get to know you, getting two > > sponsers shouldn't be a > > problem...unless it is. > > > > Larry Huber #1517 > > > If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong. john <kramer@kramerize.com> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:14:06 -0400 From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pistol Hawk - somehow I knew you would likely be the first responder with a good tip - thanks. I'll get the book. BTW, here's a website that might be of interest to some: http://www.antiqueguns.com/ Tom hawknest4@juno.com wrote: > tom there is a good book on english pistols---dont have mine handy but it > is in the dixie catalog and also in mountain state---its name is the > english pistol a pictoral guide by beebe & bingham on page 34 of their > (mountain state) catalog---price is 8.50 the american flintlock pistol > also has a couple of brass barrel guns---but not english but similar > lines---I have a rifled underhammer boot pistol about 38 > cal---original---a bit later in date--- > > "HAWK" > Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) > 854 Glenfield Dr. > Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 > E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: > http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce > > On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:49:48 -0400 tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net> writes: > > Anyone out there have knowledge of late 18th century > > english (or other) naval pistols with bronze barrels? > > > > Tom > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2000 21:21:20 -0600 From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation only gets tougher ::You will have to forgive me, but I am really beginning to have some = problems with what you are saying. Ed Ingrim has been a friend of mine ever since I started in this business = by also becoming a member of the Jed Smith club in the middle 80's. Ed = never has been a member of the AMM. If you are wanting to join the AMM just to get recognition, you are = joining for the wrong reason. I would suggest you reconsider. I am not sure you will be able to find two good sponsors who will sponsor = you for wanting to join for the reason you gave. If you are living in Kansas, I will probably know who your sponsors are = since I know all of the AMM members in Kansas. Also since I am the = Brigade Booshway for Kansas. I would like to know where you live and if we have any acquaintances in = common. It could be that we have already met. Don Keas On Thursday, August 31, 1939, S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com> wrote: >Oh yeah, one more item. I wanted an invitation to join >just so I can assess the archives since I'm not a >member. No password for farts like me, huh? > > > >--- John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> wrote: >> S Jones <deafstones@yahoo.com>, >>=20 >> I know not your name so I can't address this >> properly as you've failed to=20 >> introduce yourself to this list. >>=20 >>=20 >> RE: AMM membership >>=20 >> AMM is not much about requirements. >>=20 >> AMM is not much about buckskinners or buckskinning. >>=20 >> AMM ain't much about drinking. >>=20 >> The worst reason to join AMM is because you consider >> it a credential. >>=20 >> AMM is a brotherhood of men with a common historical >> interest. >>=20 >> In order to know a man as a brother whom you've >> never met means you must=20 >> trust the word of your known brothers that anyone >> they may ask to join is=20 >> of like mind. Sponsorship is the weightiest >> responsibility each member=20 >> holds, that is why it can be difficult to join. It >> is not a perfect=20 >> system: it is the one we abide by. Some take the >> responsibility more=20 >> seriously than do others. >>=20 >> Unless you get to know a member well it ain't likely >> to happen. You may=20 >> already know members (some don't wear their >> affiliation on their sleeve). >>=20 >> I have never sponsored and always spoken against >> those who were begging to=20 >> get in. It is always for the wrong reasons. >>=20 >> AMM is not for everyone. It was not founded to >> provide anyone=20 >> "recognition" for their involvement in buckskinning. >>=20 >> John... #656 >>=20 > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! 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