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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #579 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, June 25 2000 Volume 01 : Number 579 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: more on patch knife -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: more on patch knife -áááááá MtMan-List: Greased patches. -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Greased patches. -áááááá MtMan-List: KAK Vir*us -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: more on patch knife -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: more on patch knife -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Patch knives -áááááá MtMan-List: Fwd: Check out Wscript.KakWorm -áááááá MtMan-List: insect glaze -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: insect glaze -áááááá Fw: MtMan-List: insect glaze -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: insect glaze -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: insect glaze -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: insect glaze -áááááá Re: Fw: MtMan-List: insect glaze -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: insect glaze ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:21:55 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: more on patch knife John I don't disagree that the term "patch knife" is modern (although I don't = know for sure, one way or another). The knife shown from Russell's book = was apparantly used for such work, given the ball starter nub on the = haft and its being found in a sheath on a shooting bag, but it = certainly doesn't fit the modern concept of patch knife, which I see = usually as little short bladed knives carried around the neck or = somewhat larger narrow bladed knives carried in strap sheaths. This = thing lookes plenty stout and was certainly used for everything. I = usually carry only a large knive in a belt sheath and sometimes a = folder. These two will handle all my needs, including cutting patches. = I do have a nifty little patch knife, but it rarely leaves the house. = She Who Must Be Obeyed uses it as a paring knife... it's a potato = peeling sonuvagun. Lanney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:41:18 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: more on patch knife > it certainly doesn't fit the modern concept of patch knife, which I see > usually as little short bladed knives carried around the neck or somewhat > larger narrow bladed knives carried in strap sheaths. This thing lookes > plenty stout and was certainly used for everything. It could have been a plug bayonet. They were fairly common and it fits the description. Maybe something that came west that was left over from one of the war's back east. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:07:07 -0700 From: "Larry Huber" <shootsprairie@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Greased patches. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BFDD70.2249C9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gentlemen, All this talk about "greased patches" and loading blocks caused me = to wonder about their value. I used to carry a loading block full of = greased and/or oiled patches and found that they dried out on me. They = dried out in the shooting bag, too, unless kept in a tin. Now, I use = pre-cut patches, square cut, and spit for lubrication. I admit I don't = get to the range much so I don't fire round after round through my gun. = But spit and a cut rag seem to produce a tight fit and the desired = result. No "special" lube required. Comments? Larry Huber - ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BFDD70.2249C9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gentlemen,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> All this talk about = "greased=20 patches" and loading blocks caused me to wonder about their value. = I used=20 to carry a loading block full of greased and/or oiled patches and found = that=20 they dried out on me. They dried out in the shooting bag, = too, =20 unless kept in a tin. Now, I use pre-cut patches, square = cut, and=20 spit for lubrication. I admit I don't get to the range much = so I=20 don't fire round after round through my gun. But spit and a cut = rag seem=20 to produce a tight fit and the desired result. No "special" = lube=20 required. 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Larry You seem to have a virus attaching itself to your emails. It calls itself.... KAK Your Most Obedient Servant... Lee Newbill of North Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders www.geocities.com/northscribe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:37:14 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@brier.net> Subject: MtMan-List: KAK Vir*us I got an email on the list from Lary Huber... once again the KAK Vir*us raises its head... Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:37:48 -0500 From: "northwoods" <northwoods@ez-net.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: more on patch knife Hi Lanney, The knife you mentioned is also pictured in the book_American Primitive knives 1770-1870_ by Minnis. Regarding this knife, he states: "This is a knife with a number of unusual features, not the least of which is that it has a trace of documented history. It was originally collected as part of a complete outfit of horn, bag, mold, charger, and 14 pound 45 caliber percussion rifle. t was published in Russels book, described as a "riflemans knife from the flintlock period", and illustrated with a remarkably incorrect drawing. (note, Minnis shows an actual picture of this knife) Those with access to Russels book may note that the feature shown as a "bullet starter" is a diminutive pit .25" wide and.12"deep, that is on the bottom rather than the top of the handle, and that whatever it's function, if any, it isn't a bullet starter. Nor is the knife of the flintlock period, in my opinion. I see no reason to date it before the 1830-40s'. This is a specimen of remarkably good workmanship. The blade was forged from a rasp rather than a conventional file. The grip is of hickory with a poured tin bolster. It is not possible to determine much about the tang configuration, but it does not extend the entire length of the handle. All in all, this is a nicely designed, neatly made specimen of it's type and period. Its blade is 3.87 inches in length and is 7.62 inches overall." Just thought you might be interested in this additional information. northwoods - -----Original Message----- From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net> To: History List <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: June 22, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: MtMan-List: more on patch knife In Carl P. Russell's book "Firearms, Traps, & Tools of the Mountain Men" there is a picture on page 208 of a knife that Russell stops just short of calling a patch knife. He wrote: "Fred Cline of Arcanum, Ohio, was a firearms expert who specialized in flintlocks. The sketch in figure 52g, represents a rifleman's knife from a pouch that accompanied a flintlock rifle in the Cline Collection. Mr. Cline made the sketch, and it is used here through the kindness of Mr. John Barsotti. The knife is entirely handmade. The blade is forged from a rasp, and the polished hickory hilt features a block-tin or "white-metal" inlay very neatly made. The inlay technique is the same as that often employed in molding block tin in grooves cut in catlinite pipe bowls. A polished steel bolster separates the handle from the blade, and a "bullet starter" appears in the butt. Usually, the mountain man who carried a muzzleloading rifle also carried a knife of this kind in a sheath attached to the strap that supported his rifleman's pouch. A sharp knife was quite essential in cutting patches and in shearing the surplus of the patch material after the patched bullet was forced into the muzzle." Judging from the scale that accompanied the knife (along with others) the knife was about 8 inches long. It looks sturdy enough to skin a rhino. Any comments? Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:42:52 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: more on patch knife Tony Thanks for the additional, and apparantly more accurate, information on = the rifleman's knive. I would like to see the photo of the knife....can = you scan it? I wonder if Russell decided on his own that the little nub was a bullet = starter or was there another reason for calling it that. Lanney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:13:15 -0700 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Patch knives mat porter I personally think it is better and have done it that way for many many years---a good patch knife is flat on one side and has the bevel on the other side much like a wood chizzle edge---that way it does not nick or dammage the muzzel or crown of the gun--- hope that answers your question YMHOSANT =+= "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:22:42 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: Check out Wscript.KakWorm - --part1_25.769f179.2686f122_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry (and other interested parties), The following link will take you to Symmantec's website and instructions on how to remove the 'kak' worm from your systems. Hope this is of some help, Barney - --part1_25.769f179.2686f122_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <RR1LA@aol.com> From: RR1LA@aol.com Full-name: RR1LA Message-ID: <a8.6def7f9.2686f090@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:20:16 EDT Subject: Check out Wscript.KakWorm To: LivingInThePast@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 <A HREF="http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wscript.kakworm.html">Cli ck here: Wscript.KakWorm</A> - --part1_25.769f179.2686f122_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:36:52 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: MtMan-List: insect glaze Ho the list For those who may be planning a trip to the woods soon and are a little = concerned about mosquitos and other bugs I have found an item worthy of = your attention. In the late 19th century George Washington Sears = (1821-1890), known as Nessmuk, was a woodsman of the highest order, = spending much of his time in the Adirondak Mountains. Wrong mountains = I'll admit, but mountains nontheless. In his book Woodcraft he says = this about his favorite insect "glaze": "I have never know it to fail: 3 oz. pine tar, 2 oz. castor oil, 1oz. = pennyroyal oil. Simmer all together over a slow fire, and bottle for = use. You will hardly need more that a 2-oz vial full in a season. One = ounce has lasted me six weeks in the woods. Rub it in thoroughly and = liberally at first, and after you have established a good glaze, a = little replenishing from day to day will be sufficient. And don't fool = with soap and water where insects are plenty. A good safe coat of this = varnish grows better the longer it is kept on--and it is cleanly and = wholesome. If you get you face or hands crocky or smutty about the = camp-fire, wet the corner of your handkerchief and rub it off, not = forgetting to apply the varnish where ever you have cleaned it off. = Last, summer I carried a cake of soap and a towel in my knapsack through = the North Woods for a seven week's tour, and never used either a single = time. When I had established a good glaze on the skin, it was too = valuable to be sacrificed for any weak whim connected with soap and = water...It is a soothing and healing application for poisonous bites = already received."=20 Comments anybody? Lanney Ratcliff ps: In case anybody is wondering, I use a cotton mosquito bar, just = like Lewis & Clark, not skin varnish. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:56:44 -0400 From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: insect glaze Lanny Would you elaborate on the cotton mosquito bar???? Thanks John (BIG JOHN) Hunt longhunter mountainman Southwest, Ohio - ----- > > > > > > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:35:40 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: insect glaze It is a piece of cheesecloth five feet by nine feet. Lanney - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 6:56 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: insect glaze > Lanny >=20 > Would you elaborate on the cotton mosquito bar???? Thanks >=20 > John (BIG JOHN) Hunt > longhunter > mountainman > Southwest, Ohio > -----=20 >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:43:58 -0400 From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: insect glaze used as a cover????? 9ft. damn you texans are tall John (BIG JOHN) Hunt longhunter mountainman Southwest, Ohio - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net> To: History List <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 5:37 PM Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: insect glaze > It is a piece of cheesecloth five feet by nine feet. > Lanney > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net> > To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: insect glaze > > > > Lanny > > > > Would you elaborate on the cotton mosquito bar???? Thanks > > > > John (BIG JOHN) Hunt > > longhunter > > mountainman > > Southwest, Ohio > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:45:14 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: insect glaze Lanney Wrote "It is a piece of cheesecloth five feet by nine feet." Hey Lanney Rue! That big enouigh to cover yer ass???<G> D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:45:44 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: insect glaze > used as a cover????? 9ft. damn you texans are tall >>Nahhh, John.. They are just "deep" D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:58:13 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: MtMan-List: insect glaze so when i see somebody walkin thru the woods lookin like the mummy, its lanney???? shoot first, ask questions later <G> Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:58:30 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: insect glaze Lanney, The Little Woman questions the long term safety of using such a concoction. She says, pennyroyal oil is poison and certain parts of the castor bean are to. Dunno, just food for thought. Pendleton Ho the list For those who may be planning a trip to the woods soon and are a little concerned about mosquitos and other bugs I have found an item worthy of your attention. In the late 19th century George Washington Sears (1821-1890), known as Nessmuk, was a woodsman of the highest order, spending much of his time in the Adirondak Mountains. Wrong mountains I'll admit, but mountains nontheless. In his book Woodcraft he says this about his favorite insect "glaze": "I have never know it to fail: 3 oz. pine tar, 2 oz. castor oil, 1oz. pennyroyal oil. Simmer all together over a slow fire, and bottle for use. You will hardly need more that a 2-oz vial full in a season. One ounce has lasted me six weeks in the woods. Rub it in thoroughly and liberally at first, and after you have established a good glaze, a little replenishing from day to day will be sufficient. And don't fool with soap and water where insects are plenty. A good safe coat of this varnish grows better the longer it is kept on--and it is cleanly and wholesome. If you get you face or hands crocky or smutty about the camp-fire, wet the corner of your handkerchief and rub it off, not forgetting to apply the varnish where ever you have cleaned it off. Last, summer I carried a cake of soap and a towel in my knapsack through the North Woods for a seven week's tour, and never used either a single time. When I had established a good glaze on the skin, it was too valuable to be sacrificed for any weak whim connected with soap and water...It is a soothing and healing application for poisonous bites already received." Comments anybody? Lanney Ratcliff ps: In case anybody is wondering, I use a cotton mosquito bar, just like Lewis & Clark, not skin varnish. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #579 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.