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hist_text-digest Friday, May 26 2000 Volume 01 : Number 560
In this issue:
-áááááá MtMan-List: Carl Dyers web site
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re:Hooping with raw hide
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re:Hooping with raw hide
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
-áááááá MtMan-List: floss, made of silk
-áááááá MtMan-List: 98 World Book Encyclopedia(floss)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 98 World Book Encyclopedia(floss)
-áááááá MtMan-List: Map of Rendezvous Sites
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Map of Rendezvous Sites
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Map of Rendezvous Sites
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Map of Rendezvous Sites
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 98 World Book Encyclopedia(floss)
-áááááá MtMan-List: Flossed Hoops
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
-áááááá MtMan-List: John Kramer
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: floss, made of silk
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 98 World Book Encyclopedia(floss)
-áááááá MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:59:45 -0500
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:51:47 EDT
From: Squinty54@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Carl Dyers web site
Several days (weeks) ago someone asked for Dyers web site. I just ran into
it and thought I would forward it to all of you. If someone else has already
done this I apologize for the redundancy
http://carldyers.com
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:19:02 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping
At 06:23 PM 05/24/2000 +0100, you wrote:
>A large beaver weighs alot. We know that camptenders did alot of the
>skinning and hooping, but if I had alot of weight wouldn't it make sense to
>"field" dress the hide and then flesh it at camp?
I'm thinking they threw them on the ponies. Critters are heavy, ain't they.
And you learned that the best way, doing it!!!
>The term regarding stick floating, does this only mean that the stick that
>secured the trap to the ground would float once beaver headed for deep water
>or was there also a method to "mark" your traps location by use of floating
>sticks.
What I do is have a rope tied onto the ring at the end of the chain. I then
tie the rope onto the stake, so that if they do pull it out I can see it out
in the pond.
>
>Osborne Russell list a recipe for lure. Any other primary docs on lures?
>
John Clymer has a receipe in his book, it's the one I use.
>Wyeth mentions trapping beaver during the summer months as he traveled. I
>believe James Audobon did as well although he was not a trapper. How
>prevalent was summer trapping of beaver?
I think that they trapped whenever they could. If he didn't get it the next
guy would. Why give up anything? Not real ecological, but pretty
practical. As Crazy noted, they didn't come back through real soon, as the
beaver would be pretty cleaned out.
Take care, and glad to hear you're getting "in the water" as well as on the
ground.
Allen
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:18:18 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Re:Hooping with raw hide
Hello in the trappin camp.
Just a thought on using raw hide to hoop a beaver. I would want to make sure
that I used dry raw hide because if you use wet raw hide when it dried it
would shrink and either pull through the hide or pull the hoop out of shape.
Cordage or twine from unraveled rope or even buckskin thong would also work.
Thoughts from the
Cyot
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 02:13:15 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping
Just thought I'd share with ya all. Me and three of my trappin partners are
head out tomorrow to do some depredation trapping on the Henry's fork of the
snake river at the sight of old Fort Henry. Let ya know how we done, when we
get back. Should be some good doins lots of sign and a lot of eatable plants
out now to go with the beaver meat.
Waugh! for mountain doins.
Crazy Cyot
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:18:04 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <J2Hearts@norcalis.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:Hooping with raw hide
I think I've read somewhere that not only were beaver hides strung up on
willow branch hoops but willow was striped of its thin, strong, bark which
was threaded through holes in the hide and onto the hoop. I've used willow
bark for temporary lashings and found it relatively strong. Willow picked
in stream beds contains a fair amount of water in the bark and strong knots
can be maintained allowing several lengths to be tied together......it can
even be braided for a rough form of cordage.
John Funk
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From: <GazeingCyot@cs.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:18 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Re:Hooping with raw hide
> Hello in the trappin camp.
> Just a thought on using raw hide to hoop a beaver. I would want to make
sure
> that I used dry raw hide because if you use wet raw hide when it dried it
> would shrink and either pull through the hide or pull the hoop out of
shape.
> Cordage or twine from unraveled rope or even buckskin thong would also
work.
> Thoughts from the
> Cyot
>
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:05:46 -0600
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
Don and Paul,
Is it possible that back in the 70's dental floss was made of Linen? and
like many other products has been altered?. A good example is cheese cloth,
it use to be all cotton, now I have to read the label and make sure it's no=
t
nylon.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
>Date: Thu, May 25, 2000, 1:06 PM
>
>Your are right with the floss, sorry. The floss I have was made from linen=
. I
>got some along time ago. Did not realize the new stuff was not. thanks for=
the
>infor. my mistake!!!!
>
>"Paul W. Jones" wrote:
>
>> Don:
>>
>> Why is the reponse wrong? Are you still maintaining that dental floss i=
s
>> made from a natural fiber? Some perhaps, although I have not found it. =
Was
>> at the pharmacy yesterday and stopped and perused the dental floss. Eac=
h
>> and every brand on the shelf listed synthetic materials.
>>
>> Could you explain, or do I misunderstand your response.
>>
>> Regards, Paul
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
>> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 7:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
>>
>> wrong.......nice try..........
>>
>> Ron Chamberlain wrote:
>>
>> > Taken from http://www.dentaldigest.com/perio/floss.html
>> > Ain't technology wonderful!
>> >
>> > COLGATE=AE TOTAL=AE Colgate
>> > Description: A state-of-the-art, low-friction, Teflon=AE fiber ......
>> >
>> > Glide=AE Floss W.L. Gore & Associates
>> > Description: Made from expanded PTFE (polytetrafluorethylene), ......
>> >
>> > JOHNSON & JOHNSON REACH=AE FLOSS Johnson & Johnson Description: Nylon de=
ntal
>> > floss ......
>> >
>> > JOHNSON & JOHNSON REACH=AE FLOSS EASY SLIDE=AE Johnson & Johnson
>> > Description: Made of patented PTFE material ....
>> >
>> > PHB PERIO-FLOSS PHB, Inc.
>> > Description: A USA-made acrylic yarn floss .....
>> >
>> > WISDOM DENTAL FLOSS Wisdom Toothbrush Co.
>> > Description: Features 840 denier nylon strands. .....
>> >
>> > Wher'd you come up with linen???
>> >
>> > Ron
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Really? Is Dental Floss really Linen? No kiddin'? I always just
>> assumed
>> > it
>> > > was some sort of space-age nylon or something.
>> > > Where can I find out for sure?
>> > > Rick
>> >
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:57:41 -0500
From: don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
how my years have you spent in the mtns, a snide smart ass, very good!!!!
D Miles wrote:
> > also should I not believe the word of Sid Davis or Pappy Horn?
>
> Trust, but verify.Before you spout something as fact... I know some old
> graybeards that have been good friends for years that if they told me the
> grass was green I would look first before I repeated it.
> D
>
> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
> Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
> http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
> "Knowing how is just the beginning"
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:02:39 -0500
From: don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
Thank you very much, so I do not keep up on alot of things but I try. I a=
m not a
snide smartass I am a dumb ass. But I still spent 2 years living alone in=
Lewis and
Clark National Forest.
"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
> Don and Paul,
> Is it possible that back in the 70's dental floss was made of Linen? an=
d
> like many other products has been altered?. A good example is cheese cl=
oth,
> it use to be all cotton, now I have to read the label and make sure it'=
s not
> nylon.
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
> ----------
> >From: don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
> >Date: Thu, May 25, 2000, 1:06 PM
> >
>
> >Your are right with the floss, sorry. The floss I have was made from l=
inen. I
> >got some along time ago. Did not realize the new stuff was not. thanks=
for the
> >infor. my mistake!!!!
> >
> >"Paul W. Jones" wrote:
> >
> >> Don:
> >>
> >> Why is the reponse wrong? Are you still maintaining that dental flo=
ss is
> >> made from a natural fiber? Some perhaps, although I have not found =
it. Was
> >> at the pharmacy yesterday and stopped and perused the dental floss. =
Each
> >> and every brand on the shelf listed synthetic materials.
> >>
> >> Could you explain, or do I misunderstand your response.
> >>
> >> Regards, Paul
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
> >> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 7:07 AM
> >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
> >>
> >> wrong.......nice try..........
> >>
> >> Ron Chamberlain wrote:
> >>
> >> > Taken from http://www.dentaldigest.com/perio/floss.html
> >> > Ain't technology wonderful!
> >> >
> >> > COLGATE=AE TOTAL=AE Colgate
> >> > Description: A state-of-the-art, low-friction, Teflon=AE fiber ...=
...
> >> >
> >> > Glide=AE Floss W.L. Gore & Associates
> >> > Description: Made from expanded PTFE (polytetrafluorethylene), ...=
...
> >> >
> >> > JOHNSON & JOHNSON REACH=AE FLOSS Johnson & Johnson Description: Ny=
lon dental
> >> > floss ......
> >> >
> >> > JOHNSON & JOHNSON REACH=AE FLOSS EASY SLIDE=AE Johnson & Johnson
> >> > Description: Made of patented PTFE material ....
> >> >
> >> > PHB PERIO-FLOSS PHB, Inc.
> >> > Description: A USA-made acrylic yarn floss .....
> >> >
> >> > WISDOM DENTAL FLOSS Wisdom Toothbrush Co.
> >> > Description: Features 840 denier nylon strands. .....
> >> >
> >> > Wher'd you come up with linen???
> >> >
> >> > Ron
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Really? Is Dental Floss really Linen? No kiddin'? I always ju=
st
> >> assumed
> >> > it
> >> > > was some sort of space-age nylon or something.
> >> > > Where can I find out for sure?
> >> > > Rick
> >> >
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:09:16 -0500
From: don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: floss, made of silk
Just look up the word floss, and it says it is made from silk !!!!!
rick_williams@byu.edu wrote:
> A fellow list member Dave Tippetts has been educating me on some of the
> finer points of beaver trapping (Thanks Dave) and we have speculated on some
> of the following:
>
> What did they use to hoop up the pelts? It would be a tremendous amount of
> twine and you don't see alot coming in the ledgers. My thoughts include
> rawhide and maybe the intestines of the beaver themselves. Haven't found
> any docs on this but I haven't found and docs on anything else that was
> used.
>
> A large beaver weighs alot. We know that camptenders did alot of the
> skinning and hooping, but if I had alot of weight wouldn't it make sense to
> "field" dress the hide and then flesh it at camp?
>
> The term regarding stick floating, does this only mean that the stick that
> secured the trap to the ground would float once beaver headed for deep water
> or was there also a method to "mark" your traps location by use of floating
> sticks.
>
> Osborne Russell list a recipe for lure. Any other primary docs on lures?
>
> Wyeth mentions trapping beaver during the summer months as he traveled. I
> believe James Audobon did as well although he was not a trapper. How
> prevalent was summer trapping of beaver?
>
> What were the hides used for after the fur was shaved off? Hide glue?
>
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:57:55 -0500
From: don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: 98 World Book Encyclopedia(floss)
It says it is made from silk!!!!!!!! check it out, I said linen but I knew I
was close. I do check things out. How about some of you. Can not help what the
label says. Thanks.....
Ssturtle1199@aol.com wrote:
> "Stewart had money from his mother"s estate as well as his miniscule army
> pay, and he traveled widely before sailing to the United States in 1832.
> Going on to St. Louis, Stewart became acquainted with several prominant fur
> traders, including Kenneth MacKenzie, William L. Sublette, and Robert
> Campbell. With the latter, he journied to the Rockies in 1833."
> The Rocky Mountain Journals of William Marshall Anderson
>
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:57:06 -0700
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 98 World Book Encyclopedia(floss)
On Fri, 26 May 2000 12:57:55 -0500 don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
writes:
> It says it is made from silk!!!!!!!! check it out, I said linen but I
> knew I
> was close. I do check things out. How about some of you. Can not
> help what the
> label says. Thanks.....
>
when the artificial senue first came out it was also made from silk and
thus the high strength---it would split good and easy and the fiber could
be controlled the new stuff that you get from the roo's from the traders
is not silk and is extremely dificult to split---the old stuff also has a
different color the new stuff is more brown---and made of 3 main
strands---when you split more than 3 it gets to be a hassel to get it to
split right---the old stuff you could split down to 2 to 4 fibers and get
it to work good---silk had been around a long time but not pertant to our
personna and time frame that we study and work with---and yes pappy horn
and sid liked the expression---If the mountain man had had it he would
have used it and if it was available befor the time it question it should
be right---as you well know a lot of us do not agree with that form of
thinking---
it really depends on the camp you build your fire in and believe
in---Just my humbel opinion of course---
still with respect to the gray beards---remember close only counts in
horse shoes and hand granades in this group---
YMHOSANT
=+=
HAWK
Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C)
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor florida 34684
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:38:07 EDT
From: ERogerWms@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Map of Rendezvous Sites
Hi: I'm new to this reflector, but am hoping for some help. I need a map of
the rendezvous sites, particularly in CO, WY, and ID. I was told by a
historian in Lander, WY that an author named "Gowan" from Utah State
University wrote a book on this subject and included maps. I called Utah
State and no such person is there now, nor have I dug up any further
reference on Gowan, his book, or a map of the sites. Any help would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Roger
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:05:44 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <J2Hearts@norcalis.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Map of Rendezvous Sites
Roger,
The book is: "Rocky Mountain Rendezvous" by Fred R. Gowans.
ISBN 0-87905-193-0
Good book and has what your looking for. Sells for (retail) $10.95
John Funk
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From: <ERogerWms@aol.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:38 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Map of Rendezvous Sites
> Hi: I'm new to this reflector, but am hoping for some help. I need a map
of
> the rendezvous sites, particularly in CO, WY, and ID. I was told by a
> historian in Lander, WY that an author named "Gowan" from Utah State
> University wrote a book on this subject and included maps. I called Utah
> State and no such person is there now, nor have I dug up any further
> reference on Gowan, his book, or a map of the sites. Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roger
>
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:12:35 EDT
From: Mtnman1449@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Map of Rendezvous Sites
Dr. Fred R. Gowns, Professor of History at Brigham Young University (not
Univ. of Utah), is very much alive at well at BYU and has been for many
years. Dr. Gowns is a leading fur trade authority and has written several
books on various aspects of the fur trade. The book you are referencing is
"Rocky Mountain Rondezvous", Gibbs-Smith Publisher, and is probably the best
single source on Rondezvous locations, history of them etc.
Dr. Gowans will be speaking in September at the Fur Trade Symposium at Ft.
Union, North Dakota. Good event to take in if you can get there.
Regards,
Patrick J. Surrena
Jim Baker Party, The American Mountain Men, #1449
Colorado
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:17:07 EDT
From: ERogerWms@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Map of Rendezvous Sites
Wow! Talk about fast response. Thanks.
Roger
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:33:11 -0500
From: don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 98 World Book Encyclopedia(floss)
thank you!!!!!!!
hawknest4@juno.com wrote:
> On Fri, 26 May 2000 12:57:55 -0500 don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
> writes:
> > It says it is made from silk!!!!!!!! check it out, I said linen but I
> > knew I
> > was close. I do check things out. How about some of you. Can not
> > help what the
> > label says. Thanks.....
> >
> when the artificial senue first came out it was also made from silk and
> thus the high strength---it would split good and easy and the fiber could
> be controlled the new stuff that you get from the roo's from the traders
> is not silk and is extremely dificult to split---the old stuff also has a
> different color the new stuff is more brown---and made of 3 main
> strands---when you split more than 3 it gets to be a hassel to get it to
> split right---the old stuff you could split down to 2 to 4 fibers and get
> it to work good---silk had been around a long time but not pertant to our
> personna and time frame that we study and work with---and yes pappy horn
> and sid liked the expression---If the mountain man had had it he would
> have used it and if it was available befor the time it question it should
> be right---as you well know a lot of us do not agree with that form of
> thinking---
>
> it really depends on the camp you build your fire in and believe
> in---Just my humbel opinion of course---
> still with respect to the gray beards---remember close only counts in
> horse shoes and hand granades in this group---
>
> YMHOSANT
> =+=
> HAWK
> Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C)
> 854 Glenfield Dr.
> Palm Harbor florida 34684
> E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site:
> http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce
>
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:54:57 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Flossed Hoops
Hello,
This is one of the funniest deals we've ever debated! Dental floss on
beaver hoops, oh my!
Guess I missed that on the trade lists.........
Have fun, I'm still laughing about this deal.
Allen
>
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:41:09 -0700
From: "Paul W. Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
Ole:
Anything is possible, but I doubt it. Regards, Paul
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:46:20 -0700
From: "Paul W. Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
Don:
If I understand your disjointed message addressed to Miles, it would seem
that you are a fair measure off the mark, as he is as good as the best on
the trail, under any conditions. He now devotes his time to pursuing "our
hobby" with a genuine intensity, having earlier been tested in much rougher
environments that most. I am sorry that you do not like my friend, but
then.....oh well.
Regards, Paul
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From: don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Beaver trapping/Dental Floss?
> how my years have you spent in the mtns, a snide smart ass, very good!!!!
>
> D Miles wrote:
>
> > > also should I not believe the word of Sid Davis or Pappy Horn?
> >
> > Trust, but verify.Before you spout something as fact... I know some old
> > graybeards that have been good friends for years that if they told me
the
> > grass was green I would look first before I repeated it.
> > D
> >
> > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
> > Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
> > http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
> > "Knowing how is just the beginning"
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:48:05 -0700
From: "Paul W. Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: John Kramer
John, I have lost your e-mail address. Would you be so kind as to reply so
that I may correspond with you off list. My apologies to the list for
having posted this personal inquiry. Paul
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:54:26 -0700
From: "Paul W. Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: floss, made of silk
Dear Heavens Don. Dental floss, now and for many years has been made of
assorted synthetic materials. "Floss" is not dental floss. I have hundreds
if not thousands of yards of silk floss which I use for fly tying (and even
more silk thread--which, although I have used it to catch a trout or three,
would be a very poor choice for flossing one's teeth). I assure you, silk
floss would not stand the test of being used on teeth, as it is as delicate
as can be imaged. Some of the new "floss" used for fly tying is much more
durable, but it is wholly synthetic. Regards, Paul
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From: don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:09 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: floss, made of silk
> Just look up the word floss, and it says it is made from silk !!!!!
>
> rick_williams@byu.edu wrote:
>
> > A fellow list member Dave Tippetts has been educating me on some of the
> > finer points of beaver trapping (Thanks Dave) and we have speculated on
some
> > of the following:
> >
> > What did they use to hoop up the pelts? It would be a tremendous amount
of
> > twine and you don't see alot coming in the ledgers. My thoughts include
> > rawhide and maybe the intestines of the beaver themselves. Haven't
found
> > any docs on this but I haven't found and docs on anything else that was
> > used.
> >
> > A large beaver weighs alot. We know that camptenders did alot of the
> > skinning and hooping, but if I had alot of weight wouldn't it make sense
to
> > "field" dress the hide and then flesh it at camp?
> >
> > The term regarding stick floating, does this only mean that the stick
that
> > secured the trap to the ground would float once beaver headed for deep
water
> > or was there also a method to "mark" your traps location by use of
floating
> > sticks.
> >
> > Osborne Russell list a recipe for lure. Any other primary docs on
lures?
> >
> > Wyeth mentions trapping beaver during the summer months as he traveled.
I
> > believe James Audobon did as well although he was not a trapper. How
> > prevalent was summer trapping of beaver?
> >
> > What were the hides used for after the fur was shaved off? Hide glue?
> >
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:58:13 -0700
From: "Paul W. Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 98 World Book Encyclopedia(floss)
List, I promise this is my last posting to Don on this subject.
Don,
The labels are accurate. Do you simply not trust what you can read on the
labels? Why in heavens name would a manufacturer mislabel a natural fiber
as a synthetic; moreover, why in the devil would they secretly use a more
expensive product when it does not have the strength of the cheaper
synthetic?
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From: don neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:57 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: 98 World Book Encyclopedia(floss)
> It says it is made from silk!!!!!!!! check it out, I said linen but I knew
I
> was close. I do check things out. How about some of you. Can not help what
the
> label says. Thanks.....
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:02:30 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:59:45 -0500
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Ho the list
I am with Allen Hall.....this sniping match about dental floss is over =
the top. If Letterman were this funny I would watch him again. For =
what it's worth, Noah Webster's 1828 definition follows:
FLOSS, n. [L. flos.] A downy or silky substance in the husks of =
certain plants.
...nothing for "flos"
I am a little confused, though. Who is or is not the snide smart ass =
and who is the dumb ass? I could guess but I might leave somebody out.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
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