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hist_text-digest       Wednesday, April 26 2000       Volume 01 : Number 525



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: leather canteens
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: leather canteens
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mexican Saddle
-áááááá MtMan-List: Period Cooking Equipment
-áááááá [none]
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: loose hammer
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn
-áááááá MtMan-List: Finnin McDonald
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
-áááááá MtMan-List: moccasin liners
-áááááá Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: David Thompsn - Expedition 2000 - The Passage]
-áááááá Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark]
-áááááá MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads
-áááááá MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:30:22 -0600
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: leather canteens

One person which can help you with your leather canteen questions
is Tim Shaw ([e-mail]). Tim makes leather canteens
annd does a good job.
                                            mike.

Poorboy wrote:

> Klahowya my friends;
>
> It has been several weeks since I have been on line, but the agricultural
> planting season here is winding down.  So here goes.....  I would like to
> gather any information that anyone could share concerning the construction
> and sealing of leather canteens.  Also any documentation of use between 1760
> and 1840.  If photographs or specifics are available as to size, etc. these
> would also be appreciated.
> YMOS
> PoorBoy
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:34:25 EDT
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: leather canteens

YMOS, I'd appreciate any info you get on leather canteens that can be passed
by email.  Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:07:13 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mexican Saddle

I'm not at liberty to mention a price. The price may be negotiable. And as
to what particular kind of saddle it is, I can not say, not being a mounted
person. If there is any interest, I can take a dig. pic and send it out. To
my eye it is an unused saddle in excellent shape. Sorry that I can not be
more helpful. I remain....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti

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> You didn't mention a price.  Is it a Charro saddle?
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:15:20 EDT
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Subject: MtMan-List: Period Cooking Equipment

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this is a very interesting site received on the native list, so i'm
forwarding it to the Mtn Man list....   Barney

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Here is a site in Britain that offers some interesting period cookware.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/LCVInternational/periodpr.htm

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:12:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ronald Schrotter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

I am still waiting to hear from Wynn and Gretchen
Ormond about the saddle they found-nothing about it
being Mexican.  Wynn, if you see this, please send pix
or detailed info on the saddle you have, and I'll help
out if I can on Identifiing it.,  YMOS, Dog

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1980 08:42:43 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs

My first pair of moccasins were made of brain-tanned deer leather, which I
bought at a local souvenir store. My first event was a big 10-day
rendezvous at Old Fort William, where most of the paths are covered with
fine, sharp gravel, except for the road, which is covered by large rocks.
By the end of the rendezvous, I had no bottoms to my moccasins, and my feet
were raw. That was the first and last straw. Now I wear brain-tanned moose
moccasins with an extra bottom sole of cow hide, added by a local
shoemaker. I wear them with a pair of Dr. Scholl's liners, and I've
returned to Old Fort William twice and had no problems.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:43:50 PDT
From: "Matthew Hawley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: loose hammer

Steve
The easy way to fix a loose hanndle is to take the end with everyting in
tack and put the loose end in a 5 gallon pail let soke for two days that
should tighten it up you can also add a shimm to. This will also work on new
handle fittings too.
                      matt (white eagle)


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>
>
> > <<<First make sure it is the hammer and not the tumbler.>>>>
> > Yup....it's the hammer like I said.
> >
> > <<<A simple shim made from brass shim stock is probably best.  Don't go
>peening everything unless it is a last resort.  Even aluminum foil might
>work as a shim.>>>
> >
> > Hmmm...good idea, I'll try the alum. foil but don't know where I'd find
>some brass that thin...
> >
> > Thanks Dave, Hawk, I'll let you know what worked...
> >
> > Ymos,
> > Steve
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:54:54 PDT
From: "Matthew Hawley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn

here is somthing ton try you did every thing right. while you move them
around take melted butter and put it in a spray bottle and lightly mist it
with butter the butter will keep it from scorching
and give it a buttery flavor sealed away it will keep for a while and then
some . You can eat it alone with out cooking or make soup what ever you
want.
         matt (white Eagle)


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>   Jill and I have made parched corn the same way you did a time or two
>when
>in a pitch for some. It worked out for us, you have to keep the kernels of
>corn moving to keep them from scorching almost like pop corn but not that
>much movement. keep turning them, those small kernels from frozen corn
>scorch
>easily as you found out. We still had a few black spots on ours but they
>ate
>well and when boiled up with rice were soft and tender. After parching the
>corn seems to boil up faster.
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:01:00 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn

around take melted butter and put it in a spray bottle and lightly mist it
> with butter the butter will keep it from scorching

Seems to me it would go rancid prety fast...>
D

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:31:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Finnin McDonald

Hallo Folks

A couple of times recently I've heard reference to a fur post that bears
the name of Mr. McDonald... yet I can find no documentation for such a
place.  Any answers or leads out there?

Your Most Obedient Servant...

Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:29:11 -0600
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark

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Lee Newbill wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 [e-mail] wrote:
> >     Evidently, this journey is not as easy as one might think.
> Hallo
> Some of us here in the Great Pacific NW have contemplated such a journey,
> but for most of us, work rules out completion in one shot... additional
> problems we have talked about, are the miles and miles of now slack water
> that lay between the headwaters of the Columbia, and the Pacific Ocean,
> particularly if you were to attempt the journey in dugouts.
> A rowed/sailed battuex or frieghter Canot de Nord would be the way to go,
> that and sixty? days of vacation to prep and run the River of the West.
> An interesting thought.
> Your Most Obedient Servant...
> Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho

Lee,
    I don't care how long or how much time and effort one puts into a journey
like what has been mentioned, there will always be items missed or unexpected
events that change the time schedule. Anything from poor water conditions to
no water, weather, equipage problems, sickness, etc.
    In all the years we have worked the Missouri - Upper & Lower, the
Mississippi, smaller bodies of water like the Green, Platte, Osage, etc. we
have found that right up until the day you leave is what you'll have to work
with for water conditions.
    We have watched and checked conditions of the routes planned to travel
for 3-4 months ahead, plus making dozens of calls to different points along
the route and think we have a handle on it, then the day we get loaded and
start our journey, the conditions have changed within a week from leaving
right down to a few hours before.
    From good moving water, to no water, flash floods, unexpected storms,
irrigation projects, a barrage wreck, member gets real sick and can't paddle,
etc. all adds days that weren't planned to the trip.
    I thought we where the luckiest group that ever traveled when missing our
planned schedule by 10 hours in a 1620 mile 28 day trip; that's 10 hours
ahead of schedule, so we laid up for 2/3 of a day before making our grand
entry. "WOW, only 23 minutes early, not bad for a sun dial compass" was what
one member told the press.
    We normally plan a couple extra days for the unknown.
Later
Buck

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:34:58 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs

Even better than Dr. Scholl's liners are those made by Spenco.  You can =
find them in pharmacies. They cost about $20 but they are so much =
superior that they are cheap at the price.  I am diabetic and have to =
take special care of my feet.....they are about 30% numb, for one =
thing....and I have found nothing to compare with the Spenco product.  =
Mine are  cross trainer athletic shoe innersole liners and have a bit of =
a heel and an arch.  They make walking immensely more =
comfortable...actually possible, in my case.
I glue bison hide to the bottom of my mocs to prolong their life, =
replacing them as they wear out.
Lanney Ratcliff


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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs


> My first pair of moccasins were made of brain-tanned deer leather, =
which I
> bought at a local souvenir store. My first event was a big 10-day
> rendezvous at Old Fort William, where most of the paths are covered =
with
> fine, sharp gravel, except for the road, which is covered by large =
rocks.
> By the end of the rendezvous, I had no bottoms to my moccasins, and my =
feet
> were raw. That was the first and last straw. Now I wear brain-tanned =
moose
> moccasins with an extra bottom sole of cow hide, added by a local
> shoemaker. I wear them with a pair of Dr. Scholl's liners, and I've
> returned to Old Fort William twice and had no problems.
>=20
> Your humble & obedient servant,
> Angela Gottfred
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:07:48 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs

Lanney's right, Spenco's are great.  I am diabetic also with the added
pleasure of nasty tendonitis in my right foot.   That coupled with a torn up
ankle( the right one also) and walking gets to be sorta like having a root
canal.  Without my Spenco's, I couldnt make it.  Okay my two cents are up.
Keep yer powder dry;

Wade "Sleeps Loudly" Smith

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:00:33 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: moccasin liners

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Dear List,   =20
    Wool "shoe pack" liners are great for winter weather.  They stay =
warm while wet (and they will get wet).  For summer wear I use a sheep =
wool liner just for a bit of comfort.  The great thing about moccasins =
is that they allow you to feel the ground.  Mother earth makes contact, =
often in painful ways.  It teaches me to walk differently.  I walk (and =
run) more carefully.  I have time to look for sign. The thin layer =
between foot and ground allows me to feel my way along a trail even at =
night.  I step on rocks, sure, but I more often step between them =
because I set my foot down lighter. =20
    White man seldom becomes a partner with nature.  More often he is at =
odds.  He hides from rain, demands comfort and sees nature as a =
combative force, an enemy not an ally.  The hard soled shoe or boot is a =
reflection of that philosophy.  No longer a need to walk softly or =
quietly.  Why bother?  It won't hurt.  Natural man in whatever country =
most often goes barefoot or in a plant or leather moccasin.  At first =
because it was cheap and available.  Afterwards, it became a spiritual =
thing.  A way of keeping contact with the center of the earth.   Those =
of us who want to experience that world will "walk in their shoes".  =
Sometimes uncomfortably, sometimes even painfully, but, eventually, with =
more knowledge and appreciation of what we try to learn.
    I've tried the double soles, the triple liners, the modern foam pads =
and I found that it was like wearing a pair of shoes that looked like =
moccasins.  It 'aint the same.  The essence is lost.  I'm not speaking =
in response to the infirm.  Those whose health requires compromise in =
order to witness nature must do what is necessary.  I'm speaking to =
those who are able to experience nature as she is.  Compromise for =
comfort's sake alone will demand a price.  For me, it required that I =
stop feeling my surroundings to the fullest.  I stopped paying that =
price.  My summer mocs are single soled with a sheep skin liner.  I =
carry a thinner slipper pair for camp use and as a thickener when the =
terrain demands pain.
=20
Just my thoughts on the matter.
=20
"Shoots-the-Prairie" Larry Huber (Old and slow) =20

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philosophy.  No longer a need to walk softly or quietly.  Why=20
bother?  It won't hurt.  Natural man in whatever country most =
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it was=20
cheap and available.  Afterwards, it became a spiritual =
thing.  A way=20
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essence=20
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whose=20
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Date: 26 Apr 00 16:41:27 EDT
From: Concho Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: David Thompsn - Expedition 2000 - The Passage]

[e-mail] wrote:

  A Mr. Pat Harbine, is planning an expedition to retrace the travels of =
David
Thompson as written in his journals between 1804-1811.  It will be a grou=
p
of............................

<[e-mail]> wrote:
  Some of these style trips are good for the new person, or those wanting=
 to
just see the area that Thompson was in.................
  The problem has been in the past and hasn't changed is, controlling wha=
t is
used, worn, and the attitude of the group - many being strangers to each
other.............
  This was tried a few years ago by a group from Chicago area, 10 day tri=
p
down the Missouri to Ft. deChartre, ILL, similar guide-lines, bottom line=
 was
with all the internal baloney they made 3 days and 2 nights......
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We ran into the fellow that had the rental canoes, he's a slow learner - =
did
another trip two years later with similar results. Like said, you need yo=
ur
members to have like interests and if at all possible been together on sh=
orter
trips to see how they work with each other.

Later
Concho.

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Date: 26 Apr 00 16:50:18 EDT
From: Concho Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark]

<[e-mail]> wrote:
    I don't care how long or how much time and effort one puts into a jou=
rney
like what has been mentioned, there will always be items missed or unexpe=
cted
events that change the time schedule...................
    In all the years we have worked the Missouri - Upper & Lower, the
Mississippi, smaller bodies of water like the Green, Platte, Osage, etc. =
we
have found that right up until the day you leave ..................
    From good moving water, to no water, flash floods, unexpected storms,=

irrigation projects, a barrage wreck, member gets real sick and can't pad=
dle,
etc. all adds days that weren't planned ..............
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How true, I've been on a third of these trips with Buck, Rover and the ot=
hers
(a half-dozen) and there are always changes to the original plans.

Add extra hours or at least a day.

Concho.


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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:08:46 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads

Hallo the List,

I just got back from a trip to Great Falls, MT and managed to spend about
four hours at the Lewis and Clark Interpretive Center.... a "must see" spot
if you're in the neighborhood.
One exhibit had an example of what was carried for trade and gifts on the
Voyage of Discovery ....beads, mirrors, blankets, etc. What I didn't see was
the "Lewis and Clark Bead"....you know the black one with a kinda floral
pattern, about the size of a pecan... more or less. The bead had a different
name then, from Italy I think....and was to suppose to have gone up river
with them. When I asked some of the folks there, if they knew of that bead,
they didn't seem to know what it was. Anyone have the story on the missing
"Lewis and Clark Bead"?
Ymos,
Steve

....and

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:26:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal

Ho the List

....also, while at the L&C center, I picked up a bronze Jefferson Peace Medal
exactly like the one carried by L&C and given to the Indian chiefs. The medal
was struck, as I understand it, by the US Mint, on the original mold, only in
bronze, rather than silver as were the originals. Does anyone know if this is
true...that the US Mint used the original mold cast in 1801?

It's a pretty neat medal and I plan on having it silver plated and tell the
story about how I found it on the banks of the Columbia River....

Ymos,
Steve

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:10:00 -0700
From: Julia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal

Honorable Master Steven,

Be it know, that my dear departed husband, did  but  just last year,
loose such a medal in the mighty rolling Columbia River.  He did lose
it as he  slipped into the river and drown on a cold rainy Northwest
day.  God rest his soul.

Surly you would not deprive such a token of respect  from a grieving
old widow woman.
So,  hows about handing that there precious medal on over to me?

Yours in the utmost respect,
Maw Hawk

>Ho the List
>
>....also, while at the L&C center, I picked up a bronze Jefferson Peace Medal
>exactly like the one carried by L&C and given to the Indian chiefs. The medal
>was struck, as I understand it, by the US Mint, on the original mold, only in
>bronze, rather than silver as were the originals. Does anyone know if this is
>true...that the US Mint used the original mold cast in 1801?
>
>It's a pretty neat medal and I plan on having it silver plated and tell the
>story about how I found it on the banks of the Columbia River....
>
>Ymos,
>Steve
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:32:02 -0600
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads

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[e-mail] wrote:

> Hallo the List,
>
> I just got back from a trip to Great Falls, MT and managed to spend about four
> hours at the Lewis and Clark Interpretive Center.... a "must see" spot if
> you're in the neighborhood.
> One exhibit had an example of what was carried for trade and gifts on the
> Voyage of Discovery ....beads, mirrors, blankets, etc. What I didn't see was
> the "Lewis and Clark Bead"....you know the black one with a kinda floral
> pattern, about the size of a pecan... more or less. The bead had a different
> name then, from Italy I think....and was to suppose to have gone up river with
> them. When I asked some of the folks there, if they knew of that bead, they
> didn't seem to know what it was. Anyone have the story on the missing "Lewis
> and Clark Bead"?
> Ymos,  Steve
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    See Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, Winter 1998, pg. 2; "Beads of the
Plains Fur Trade, 1775-1875" Has some interesting information, of which is
mentioned about what and who was trading beads; "point is that the name now in
vogue for them [bead names] is just that and has nothing do do with the bead's
true origin or history. The same applies to such names as "Lewis & Clark beads,"
"Dutch Donuts," "padre beads," and so forth. They are all recently invented
names, and in the case of those mentioned above, were not distributed by Lewis &
Clark, traded by the Dutch, or given out by Roman Catholic missionaries.
Ironically, old names like "pound beads" have been replaced by modern ones such
as "pony beads," and other genuine old descriptive names such as pigeon eggs,
mock garnets, and barleycorns are no longer used............
    The article goes on to talk about the names of old compared to what we call
them and how many of the tales of trade by L&C, and so on have all come about in
the past century.
    I bought a dozen "Lewis & Clark", about the same of "Imperials" years ago,
finally at one of the early Chardon Fur Trade Days, Charley Hanson took me aside
and told me I had been had, they where old beads but not as old as I was told,
probably came west about 25-30 years after the Corps of Discovery.
    When "Brass Turtle"Sample and "Turtle" Boyer went down they each had a few
put in their caskets along with a few other items of trade for the other side,
figured they needed a fresh start with the old timers.
    Today they are worth about what I paid 25 years ago for them - live and
learn, win a few and lose many.

Later
Buck


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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:34:11 -0600
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal

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Julia wrote:

> Honorable Master Steven,
>
> Be it know, that my dear departed husband, did  but  just last year,
> loose such a medal in the mighty rolling Columbia River.  He did lose
> it as he  slipped into the river and drown on a cold rainy Northwest
> day.  God rest his soul.
>
> Surly you would not deprive such a token of respect  from a grieving
> old widow woman.
> So,  hows about handing that there precious medal on over to me?
>
> Yours in the utmost respect,
> Maw Hawk
>
> >Ho the List
> >
> >....also, while at the L&C center, I picked up a bronze Jefferson Peace Medal
> >exactly like the one carried by L&C and given to the Indian chiefs. The medal
> >was struck, as I understand it, by the US Mint, on the original mold, only in
> >bronze, rather than silver as were the originals. Does anyone know if this is
> >true...that the US Mint used the original mold cast in 1801?
> >
> >It's a pretty neat medal and I plan on having it silver plated and tell the
> >story about how I found it on the banks of the Columbia River....
> >
> >Ymos,
> >Steve

Did they ever recover your loss Julia !


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