Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
On Thu, 13 April 2000, "D Miles" wrote:
>
> Yep, same here.. I just bought a BRAND NEW copy at Hastings for $7.99///My old one was gettin wore.... "I'll die if I don't get some WHIISKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
> D
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Frank V. Rago <ikon@mindspring.com>
> > If it is "The Mountain Men" and you don't get much feedback, hell I will
> > just watch it for you and take notes. It's a good'nuff reason to pull it out and watch it again.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D Miles <deforge1@bright.net>
> >
> > Are you sure it isnt "The Mountain Men" with Brian Keith And Charlton Heston???
Who knows what the original name of this movie was going to be, they had even made up promotion posters, "T" shirts, etc. before checking if the original name was usuable - it wasn't.
Trapper Tom and myself ran "The American Sportsman" shoot at the filming and received silver and gold plated belt buckles for our efforts, that's how we found out about this name - which would have been a better title I always thought.
Linda may remember if she thinks about it.
Later
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:48:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tannin' Time
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 tetontodd@juno.com wrote:
> I've known some experiemced tanners who get good results with one
> braining, but probably just as many have confessed that they usually do
> two or three brainings to get a real nice hide.
> I've come to figure on two everytime .
Heck...
I don't feel so bad then. I spent a lot of time on my very first braintan
hide recently, and wound up with a beautifully colored piece of
white cardboard.
Backe to the brainsoak.
Your Most Obedient Servant...
Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:20:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: article quote in local paper concerning muskets
" the state of Massachusetts clamped trigger locks on two of the
historic muskets from Lexington and Concord that hang in the state
Senate chamber."
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:40:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: Treasures found!!!
Longwalker, Buck, Hawk:
Maybe no coincidence that you found those gems, just as Hawk said - The
Great Spirit Father whom neighbor Charles Hanson is up there
fellowshipping with inspired your mind to take the steps that ye did?
Maybe even better is yet to come - sure hope so!
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:50:34 -0400
From: "Donald A. Ricetti" <SEGUNDO@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
Seems to me that the "original" title was "Wind River". At least thats what they called it when they were filming it on the Snake River outside Jackson's Hole while I lived there, round abouts '77 or '78. Never will forgive my parents for
not loaning me a vehicle so I could haveat least been in some scenes.
Buck Conner wrote:
> On Thu, 13 April 2000, "D Miles" wrote:
>
> >
> > Yep, same here.. I just bought a BRAND NEW copy at Hastings for $7.99///My old one was gettin wore.... "I'll die if I don't get some WHIISKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
> > D
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Frank V. Rago <ikon@mindspring.com>
> > > If it is "The Mountain Men" and you don't get much feedback, hell I will
> > > just watch it for you and take notes. It's a good'nuff reason to pull it out and watch it again.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: D Miles <deforge1@bright.net>
> > >
> > > Are you sure it isnt "The Mountain Men" with Brian Keith And Charlton Heston???
> Who knows what the original name of this movie was going to be, they had even made up promotion posters, "T" shirts, etc. before checking if the original name was usuable - it wasn't.
>
> Trapper Tom and myself ran "The American Sportsman" shoot at the filming and received silver and gold plated belt buckles for our efforts, that's how we found out about this name - which would have been a better title I always thought.
>
> Linda may remember if she thinks about it.
>
> Later
> Buck Conner
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:12:46 EDT
From: Ssturtle1199@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
Have an original full size poster of "The Mountain Men" on my wall in
bedroom. Most blatant error in this is the pistol Heston has in drawing has
hammer on right side and the frizzen on left side .
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:24:10 -0600
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
Well, here is another bit of inaccuracy- Frapp (Henry Fraeb)dies in a fight
on the Snake River near the Wyo/ Colorado border. Been to the site with a few
of the other Baker Party members. He was put in a unmarked grave ( in the
ground)
and not buried Indian style. The film has a lot of stuff in it which we notice.
But
still enjoy watching it two to three times a year. (canvas tipis, the sounds the
guns make,
are just the start.)
mike.
Ssturtle1199@aol.com wrote:
> Have an original full size poster of "The Mountain Men" on my wall in
> bedroom. Most blatant error in this is the pistol Heston has in drawing has
> hammer on right side and the frizzen on left side .
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:00:50 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Second braining
Hello the list,
Funny, my very first hide came out fine with a single braining, but
everything else has taken 2. I got some really big thick hides for my frock
coat and they took 3.
One thing I have done though, is smoke the hide after the first pulling.
That way anything you did get pulled out will stay soft after the second
braining. I've done this a couple of times and now it's what I do everytime.
The smoke smell is less offensive to regular folks than plain brain smell,
which makes mama happy.
Hey, thanks for all the comments, this is interesting. And for you folks
that haven't made brain tan yet, it's just not all that tough. Give it a try!
Allen
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:00:55 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
Hello in the camp! On that belt Buckle of mine it has Wind River Rendezvous.
Yepers, I got in on the makein of that one. In fact that shoot you were
talking about Buck was the day I show up and bribed my way in by giving
Heston a ceramic statue of a mountain man I had made. Up until then they had
told me they had all the extras they needed.
The one thing I thought they done a good job on was the horse tack They
even had one saddle in the movie that looks like the Grimsley Hybrid Saddle.
Crazy Cyot
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:32:28 EDT
From: MdntRdr1@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
So the movie sort of is factual?
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:54:44 EDT
From: WSmith4100@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
Well, it was about Mountain men and we know they did exist. Oh yeah, They
were some indians portrayed (haha).
p.s. I've watched it several times too!!
Wade "Sleeps loudly" Smith
Meridian, Id
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:12:22 -0700
From: Randal J Bublitz <randybublitz@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
It was a fictional story, which borrowed (loosely) on some real
characters and situations. Bill Tylers run from the blackfeet = Colter's
run. Frapp (Fraeb) was a real character, but he spoke english poorly (as
he was a german). Nat Wyeth was a real character, and an ice merchant
(invented an ice cutting device, etc..) from Boston. He did have plans
to send salmon east in barrels, etc... Do not take the Movie as fact
though..... loosely based on some reality... I've watched it too many
times though...I love it..it is fun... hardtack
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Date: 14 Apr 2000 05:34:49 -0700
From: Buck Conner <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
On Thu, 13 April 2000, GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote:
>
> Hello in the camp! On that belt Buckle of mine it has Wind River Rendezvous.
> Yepers, I got in on the makein of that one. In fact that shoot you were
> talking about Buck was the day I show up and bribed my way in by giving
> Heston a ceramic statue of a mountain man I had made. Up until then they had
> told me they had all the extras they needed.
> The one thing I thought they done a good job on was the horse tack They
> even had one saddle in the movie that looks like the Grimsley Hybrid Saddle.
Crazy that's correct the original name was to be "Wind River Rendezvous", but because of an agreement between the Hollywood movie companies if more than two words where the same as another movie made before the current one - within that year, they couldn't use the name !
Never did figure out what movie came out with two of the three words ???
You showing up at that shoot, you will remember me making Chuck eat the raw egg he missed in that one event, later he wanted me to eat a raw egg - I did in a glass of beer. Then he gave Trapper and myself belt buckles for running the event - think American Sportsman show paid for them, whatever.
We where on the set for three weeks, saw the first Indians - hadn't missed many meals, so the ones they used where from the American Indian Rodeo Assn., all bow legged, slim and good horsemen. Several groups where from the Rosebud Rev. - even "Iron Eyes Cody" was there, got to visit with him and Bryan Keith many times in our camp at Hoback Junction.
Fun times, had some nice people working there, saw folks that we hadn't seen for years, we (Trapper and myself) probably gave the word to let you in if you looked pretty good. We worked with Jerry Crandell (mountainman artist and movie advertiser) on making suggestions on clothing on workers, etc. No matter how you "bird dog" such an operation, still some questionables seek in. I work walk around gathering olive drab army blanket that locals brought in to keep warm, go back through 3-4 hours later and theres more of them. To work that scene day after day like they do we would all quit.
Later
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Date: 14 Apr 2000 05:51:50 -0700
From: Buck Conner <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
On Thu, 13 April 2000, Randal J Bublitz wrote:
> It was a fictional story, which borrowed (loosely) on some real characters and situations. Bill Tylers run from the blackfeet = Colter's run. Frapp (Fraeb) was a real character, but he spoke english poorly (as he was a german). Nat Wyeth was a real character, and .........
That's the bottom line, you loved it and have watched it many many times, like they say that's show business.....
Very few films are acturate, in the last few years they have done better making them more correct, but time is money and it takes time to gather correct loding, clothing, weapons and equipage, etc. Of all the movies that have come out in the last 10-15 years, take a look at "Black Robe", you watch that one and those folks even look blue when cold - you may go get a sweater too.
I was very hard with my comments and remarks about inacturate things found when viewing a period show until getting involved in a half dozen such events, and now can understand just a few of the problems; money, actors, back ground actors, unions, feeding, props, etc.- overall they are doing better and seem to be going in the right direction, we hope.
Later
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:18:09 PDT
From: "Kevin Pitman" <kpmtnman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
Actually (and most humbly) the line is :If I don't get some whiskey soon I'm
gonna dieeeeeeee!!!
ymos,
Kevin
>From: "D Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:39:03 -0400
>
>Yep, same here.. I just bought a BRAND NEW copy at Hastings for $7.99///My
>old one was gettin wore....
>"I'll die if I don't get some WHIISKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
>D
>
>"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
> Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
> http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
> "Knowing how is just the beginning"
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Frank V. Rago <ikon@mindspring.com>
>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 7:45 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
>
>
> > If it is "The Mountain Men" and you don't get much feedback, hell I will
> > just watch it for you and take notes. It's a good'nuff reason to pull
>it
> > out and watch it again.
> >
> > FVR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D Miles <deforge1@bright.net>
> > To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 7:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
> >
> >
> > > Are you sure it isnt "The Mountain Men" with Brian Keith And Charlton
To: hist_text@xmission.com <hist_text@xmission.com>
Date: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:26 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Ebay Alert
Ho the List,
For those of you out there that use Ebay to find some good items, here's one
I found. A while back folks were asking about Mable Morrow's book, "Indian
Rawhide". It's available as auction #307211869 INDIAN RAWHIDE, M. MORROW,
1ST 1975. Bidding starts at $35.
I already have a copy, so I'm not going to bid against you.
Lou Sickler
Colorado Territory
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:16:26 -0500
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Grinding coffee
Keep your antique grinder handy, Steve. I have one, too. If you're at a
trading post you would have used one. There are a few depictions in
drawings at trading posts as well as in inventories.
However, I wouldn't recommend them in camp, though, unless you're
interpreting a big historic rendezvous where grinders may have been hauled
in by fur trade company reps. Otherwise, the leather bag works real good
and saves weight. I use a cloth bag and break the beans very gently (to
extend the life of the bag), then leave the grounds in the bag and put the
whole thing in the water. This keeps grounds in the pot and out of my cup,
and makes it easy to reuse them (for all us lazy sob's).
HBC
><<<<Hardtack Wrote:>I believe they put it in a sack, or piece of something to
>
>keep it>>>
>Haaaaaa! You boys are good.... according to Hanson's "The Buckskinner's
>Cook Book" they put the roasted beans in a leather bag and pounded till the
>beans were crushed.... Looks like I'll put my antique coffee grinder back on
>the shelf....
>
>Ymos,
>
>Steve
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Date: 14 Apr 2000 16:35:16 -0700
From: Buck Conner <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: "Be it beaver or marmot- hat's where the game"
Hist_list and Brothers of the AMM,
Just a few weeks ago the lists we where talking beaver, plews, pelts and matters of such if one recalls !!!
There's a new article by James A. Hanson, "The Myth of the Silk Hat and the End of the Rendezvous". Jim has learned his craft well following in the footsteps of his famous father, not only a skilled researcher but an outstanding writer.
To read this article friends you better be a member of the Museum of the Fur Trade ! Well it's about time to sign up and get this issue of their "Quarterly" journal, talk is cheap. Like the name implies "Quarterly" is the number of issues you'll receive for the grand sum of $10.00 American payable to:
The Museum Of The Fur Trade
6321 highway 20
Chadron, NE 69337
1-308-432-3843
www.furtrade.org
museum@furtrade.org
They usually have back issues so don't forget to ask about them also, personally I've got all of them from Charley years ago and have been a member for as long as one can remember.
So if you want to "talk the talk", [FUR TRADE] join up and tell the story right, then maybe you'll have a better understanding of "walking the walk".
Later
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:42:22 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <J2Hearts@norcalis.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Be it beaver or marmot- hat's where the game"
Buck,
You're right on......this was an excellent "Quarterly". Seems the articles
get more and more comprehensive as time goes on. I keep wondering, "where
does all this knowledge come from"? It's like some Troll rolls back a rock
in the high lonesome and another bit of historical fact is made known. I
swear, it's all out there. It just take the a fine researcher with time and
experience to discover its whereabouts.
John Funk
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To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 4:35 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: "Be it beaver or marmot- hat's where the game"
> Hist_list and Brothers of the AMM,
>
> Just a few weeks ago the lists we where talking beaver, plews, pelts and
matters of such if one recalls !!!
>
> There's a new article by James A. Hanson, "The Myth of the Silk Hat and
the End of the Rendezvous". Jim has learned his craft well following in the
footsteps of his famous father, not only a skilled researcher but an
outstanding writer.
>
> To read this article friends you better be a member of the Museum of the
Fur Trade ! Well it's about time to sign up and get this issue of their
"Quarterly" journal, talk is cheap. Like the name implies "Quarterly" is the
number of issues you'll receive for the grand sum of $10.00 American payable
to:
>
> The Museum Of The Fur Trade
> 6321 highway 20
> Chadron, NE 69337
> 1-308-432-3843
> www.furtrade.org
> museum@furtrade.org
>
> They usually have back issues so don't forget to ask about them also,
personally I've got all of them from Charley years ago and have been a
member for as long as one can remember.
>
> So if you want to "talk the talk", [FUR TRADE] join up and tell the story
right, then maybe you'll have a better understanding of "walking the walk".
>
> Later
> Buck Conner
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:18:18 -0600
From: Joe Brandl <jbrandl@wyoming.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Last of the Mountain men...Heston
Buck,
do you live near Hastings, NE?
Joe
Have a look at our web site @ www.dteworld.com/absarokawesterndesign/
Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture 307-455-2440
New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!!
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:27:00 -0600
From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Be it beaver or marmot- hat's where the game"
Not only does this article "talk" about the price of plews (depending on
whether they were taken in the southwest, northwest, or Rockies they ran
from 1.00 to as much as 8.00 per pound) but it also has a lot of data
refuting the idea that silk hats caused the end of the fur trade/rendezvous
period. Great article - great publication!
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From: Buck Conner <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Friday, April 14, 2000 5:38 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: "Be it beaver or marmot- hat's where the game"
>Hist_list and Brothers of the AMM,
>
>Just a few weeks ago the lists we where talking beaver, plews, pelts and
matters of such if one recalls !!!
>
>There's a new article by James A. Hanson, "The Myth of the Silk Hat and the
End of the Rendezvous". Jim has learned his craft well following in the
footsteps of his famous father, not only a skilled researcher but an
outstanding writer.
>
>To read this article friends you better be a member of the Museum of the
Fur Trade ! Well it's about time to sign up and get this issue of their
"Quarterly" journal, talk is cheap. Like the name implies "Quarterly" is the
number of issues you'll receive for the grand sum of $10.00 American payable
to:
>
>The Museum Of The Fur Trade
>6321 highway 20
>Chadron, NE 69337
>1-308-432-3843
>www.furtrade.org
>museum@furtrade.org
>
>They usually have back issues so don't forget to ask about them also,
personally I've got all of them from Charley years ago and have been a
member for as long as one can remember.
>
>So if you want to "talk the talk", [FUR TRADE] join up and tell the story
right, then maybe you'll have a better understanding of "walking the walk".
>
>Later
>Buck Conner
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:17:58 -0400
From: michael pierce <hawknest4@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Be it beaver or marmot- hat's where the game"
buck---you got it right---walk the walk ---talk the talk but charley knew
his perios stuff---
nuff said---guys sign up and you get yoy moneys worth and then some---
