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hist_text-digest       Saturday, March 11 2000       Volume 01 : Number 491



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Soap ?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Soap ?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Soap ?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Soap ?
-áááááá Fw: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts
-áááááá MtMan-List: Ho the list!!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!!
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fur trade Symposium 2000
-áááááá MtMan-List: Whale Oil
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Whale Oil
-áááááá MtMan-List: 18th Century Glasses (Spectacles)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fur trade Symposium 2000
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!!
-áááááá MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses???
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts
-áááááá MtMan-List: AMM Flag?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!!

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:51:42 -0600
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Soap ?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Frans Jurgens <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: March 10, 2000 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Soap ?


>How far back do saddle's go? Bet the answers are similiar.


I have a book entitled  "Man Made Mobile,  Early Saddles of Western North
America" that shows illustrations of saddles from as far back as the 6th
century b.c.
It doesn't say anything about saddle soap.

northwoods


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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:15:39 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts

Walt,
Any fort or trading post that was in existance or being used from 1800 to
1845, I also need a location that can be found on today's maps so that I can
mark the map I have.
The map I am marking up shows no states or cities only rivers and mountains,
when I get through marking this map up I will be able to show how close the
forts were in relation to each other and how much the trapers were in
contact with there line of supply.
Ole # 718
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>From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts
>Date: Fri, Mar 10, 2000, 10:06 AM
>

>Ole, how are you going to catalogue all this stuff that is building on this
>thread.  By time and direction?  Including country and company?
>
>I have more fur trading/trapper fort locations for you.  Some around Ft.
>Union and some around Ft. Manual Lisa at the mouth of the Bighorn on the
>Yellowstone.
>
>Walt
>Park City, Montana
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:41:54 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Soap ?

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Pendleton
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:03:27 -0600
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Soap ?

Larry I wonder what exactly is "saddle soap" comprised of? I mean, is saddle
soap a special type of soap?  Answering that may be a way of determining if
it was around during the fur trade.

northwoods


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From: larry pendleton <[e-mail]>
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Date: March 10, 2000 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Soap ?


Thanks.  I reckon it weren't much of a question, but I was just wondering if
Saddle Soap could have been around during the Fur Trade.
Pendleton
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    From: Frans Jurgens <[e-mail]>
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    Date: March 10, 2000 7:08 AM
    Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Soap ?


    >How far back do saddle's go? Bet the answers are similiar.


    I have a book entitled  "Man Made Mobile,  Early Saddles of Western
North
    America" that shows illustrations of saddles from as far back as the 6th
    century b.c.
    It doesn't say anything about saddle soap.

    northwoods


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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:42:27 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Soap ?

  This is no definitive answer, but I find this site, with this info and
thought it might be of some interest
:
<A HREF="http://store.yahoo.com/classic-motoring/leatmytofsad.html">Leather -
The Myth of Saddle Soap</A>

The Myth Of Saddle Soap

    In the late 1800's the final tanning of leather required the talents of a
"currier". This craftsman took the tanned but brittle hide and worked oils
into it until the desired flexibility was obtained. This process was called
fatliquoring. The fatliquor of choice was an emulsion of oil in soap. This
"saddle soap" was not used as a cleaner. It was a softening conditioner.

    In fact, saddle soap is a very poor cleaner. It must first dissolve its
own oils, limiting its capacity to dissolve dirt and oils in the leather.
Saddle soap is also inherently alkaline but alkalinity is damaging to
leather. Another problem arises during application. Most saddle soaps
instruct the user to work the lather into the leather. Since loosened dirt is
suspended in the lather, it is pushed back into the leather's pores.

    Saddle soaps have long been replaced in tanneries by modern emulsions
which penetrate, soften and condition with greater ease and stability. the
popular myth of saddle soap as a cleaner however persists as modern folklore.


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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 06:25:44 -0800
From: "Poorboy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts

>The map I am marking up shows no states or cities only rivers and
mountains,
>Ole # 718<
>
Klahowya, Ole
reading your recent posts on this subject has motivated me to undertake a
similar project that I have wanted to do for some time.  That is make a very
large map, 60"x100" for my den wall, that I could post forts, trails, major
fur trade landmarks and rendezvous on.  What a reference tool this will be
when reading and organizing information.  Question for the list: the paper I
have obtained is white and of a similar weight as butcher paper, but not
waxed.  I would like to age it to a light tan or parchment color does anyone
have any suggestions.  It seems recently I read something from a teacher
that suggested working with students with quills and writing and they were
able to age the paper some how.  Also question for Ole, Do you or does
anyone have any suggestions as to a good map to use as a reference so I can
reproduce my map onto the paper.  It will be a tedious, by hand project, but
I am very anxious to get started.

Thank you in advance for your time and thoughts.  Your most humble and
obedient servant.
PoorBoy



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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:15:57 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts

Poorboy,
The map I am using I purchased at a School supply/map store, they had every
kind of map you could think of including historic reproductions and books
that show maps in the 1700s and 1800s.
(Utah Idaho book supplyi in Murray Utah) hope this helps.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: "Poorboy" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts
>Date: Sat, Mar 11, 2000, 7:25 AM
>

>
>>The map I am marking up shows no states or cities only rivers and
>mountains,
>>Ole # 718<
>>
>Klahowya, Ole
>reading your recent posts on this subject has motivated me to undertake a
>similar project that I have wanted to do for some time.  That is make a very
>large map, 60"x100" for my den wall, that I could post forts, trails, major
>fur trade landmarks and rendezvous on.  What a reference tool this will be
>when reading and organizing information.  Question for the list: the paper I
>have obtained is white and of a similar weight as butcher paper, but not
>waxed.  I would like to age it to a light tan or parchment color does anyone
>have any suggestions.  It seems recently I read something from a teacher
>that suggested working with students with quills and writing and they were
>able to age the paper some how.  Also question for Ole, Do you or does
>anyone have any suggestions as to a good map to use as a reference so I can
>reproduce my map onto the paper.  It will be a tedious, by hand project, but
>I am very anxious to get started.
>
>Thank you in advance for your time and thoughts.  Your most humble and
>obedient servant.
>PoorBoy
>
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:52:26 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts

Ole
just doing a bit of head scratching and pondering---believe the project
that you have started is already accomplished or close to it that
is---you need to look at national geographics (older one) dont know the
date or such but they have a map of indian fights and of forts in the
area that were used ---look at vol 172 no 2  dated august 1987  page 100
is a map of canida showing the HBC fort locations also vol 162 no 5
dated nov 1982  it has a mak insert of the southwest showing a lot of the
info you are seeking there is also a national geographics that shows
indian fights and their locations you need to do a search of the national
geographics at your local library and you will find that what you are
doing has already been done in the most part---and there is fold-out maps
that support and post the data---

I have a couple of the maps that i use when we go west to climb kivas and
there is a lot of info that has already been documented---

believe if you spend a couple of hrs at the library you may have just
what you are looking for in this area---decide on the issue you need then
go to a book store of flea market and look for that volume and date---

YMHOSANT
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:15:57 -0700 "Ole B. Jensen"
<[e-mail]> writes:
> Poorboy,
> The map I am using I purchased at a School supply/map store, they
> had every
> kind of map you could think of including historic reproductions and
> books
> that show maps in the 1700s and 1800s.
> (Utah Idaho book supplyi in Murray Utah) hope this helps.
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
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> >From: "Poorboy" <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts
> >Date: Sat, Mar 11, 2000, 7:25 AM
> >
>
> >
> >>The map I am marking up shows no states or cities only rivers and
> >mountains,
> >>Ole # 718<
> >>
> >Klahowya, Ole
> >reading your recent posts on this subject has motivated me to
> undertake a
> >similar project that I have wanted to do for some time.  That is
> make a very
> >large map, 60"x100" for my den wall, that I could post forts,
> trails, major
> >fur trade landmarks and rendezvous on.  What a reference tool this
> will be
> >when reading and organizing information.  Question for the list:
> the paper I
> >have obtained is white and of a similar weight as butcher paper,
> but not
> >waxed.  I would like to age it to a light tan or parchment color
> does anyone
> >have any suggestions.  It seems recently I read something from a
> teacher
> >that suggested working with students with quills and writing and
> they were
> >able to age the paper some how.  Also question for Ole, Do you or
> does
> >anyone have any suggestions as to a good map to use as a reference
> so I can
> >reproduce my map onto the paper.  It will be a tedious, by hand
> project, but
> >I am very anxious to get started.
> >
> >Thank you in advance for your time and thoughts.  Your most humble
> and
> >obedient servant.
> >PoorBoy
> >
> >
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:35:42 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Ho the list!!

Haven't seen much going on lately.  Am I still attached to the list?

What kind of grease was used to protect early muzzleloaders from corrosion?
and how is the best way to do it today?

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:58:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!!

Hello in the camp
 I believe the most common used lubricant used in 18th and 19th century was
whale oil. Great stuff I traded in to a little of it years ago. Being young
and stupid I used it up. (Now I'm just older and still stupid) Whale oil is a
fine lite oil and a little goes a long ways. But do to whales being in short
supply the stuff is like gold now. A lite sewing machine oil comes close to
it. I have also used bear grease on the out side of the gun but be cause of
fouling do not use it down the bore. A lot of people I know use WD40 but that
is little to modern of me.
                                                  See ya on the trail
                                                     Crazy Cyot

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:02:55 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Fur trade Symposium 2000

Gentlemen,

I just received the flyer advertising the Fur Trade Symposium 2000 in
detail. Perhaps you have seen the advertisement in the most recent
Muzzleloader magazine. The symposium is sponsored by the Fort Union
Trading Post NHS.

I was fortunate enough to attend the last fur trade symposium held in
Pinedale, Wyoming several years ago. It was one of the highlights of my
involvement in fur trade research and reenactment. The information
presented there along with the field trip led by Dr. Fred Gowans was a
priceless opportunity, and I was able to meet a lot of great people many
of which are members of this list.

It is my humble opinion that the upcoming symposium is THE event of the
year for folks like us who have a love for the history of the western fur
trade.

The dates for the symposium are 21-23 September. It will be held at the
Airport International Inn in Williston, North Dakota.
Some of the keynote speakers are: Dr. Fred Gowans, "Warren A. Ferris Map:
What might have Been."  James A. Hanson , "Why I'm Fascinated with the
Fur Trade." William R. Swagerty. "Uncle Sam's a Weak Old Fellow: Northern
Plains Indian Response to Fur Traders' Activities on the Upper Missouri
to 1831." Clay S. Landry,  "The Price of Beaver: A Study of the Goods
Traded to the Rocky Mountain Trapper by the American Fur Company,
1828-1840."
These are just a few of the presentors scheduled.

The will also be a visit to the Fort complete with an Indian village
outside the gates. Larry Belitz will be one of those doing demonstrations
in the village.

If you would like to receive a program flyer and registration information
you may call 1-800-434-0233. They will add you to the list and mail the
info in early June.

I know there are a number of fellows from this area (Utah) planning on
going, I think it would be great to find out who else may be planning on
attending. Then we could plan an informal gathering at the symposium. So,
if you think you are going to attend let's here from you!

Happy Trails


"Teton" Todd D. Glover
Poison River Party Pilgrim



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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:10:37 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Whale Oil

Yes, Whale Oil is some good stuff! I was able to procure some from Paul
Jones at the Rendezvous on the Gros Ventre. A might pricey but not
unreasonable. I also purchased some from Lon Shipe out of Montana at the
Fort Bridger doins for a little better price. So keep your eyes open and
you may see some turn up.
Of course I do intend to be very conservative in its use because
eventually there will be no replacing it.


"Teton" Todd D. Glover
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:50:24 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Whale Oil

Yep, Sperm Whale Oil is the cat's meow.  If anyone wants a lead, contact me
off list, as I know a trader that has some. I've run into other Sutlers at
Rendezvous that have also had it periodically, but you gotta ask REAL nice
and REAL quiet, as its sold on the QT. Them critters are now an endangered
species.  Barney Fife

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:05:01 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: 18th Century Glasses (Spectacles)

I found this web site that has links to clothing, glasses, and many other
accoutrements, as well as lots of great pics and sources to buy antigue
specs.  Sorry this is so late in coming after the thread...  Barney Fife <A
HREF="http://reenactment.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.cost
umes.org/pages/18thlinks.htm">About.com :
http://www.costumes.org/pages/18thlinks.htm</A>

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:25:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fur trade Symposium 2000

Thanks for the information on the symposium.  Wouldn't have had any idea if
you hadn't spoken up.

Laura Glise
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:26:22 -0600
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!!

The last of the Naval Stores were auctioned off over 20 years ago.  Those were
the last legal sources of oil available.  Those are gone, only ounces
remain.

If you speak thusly you only encourage the continued slaughter of a too
depleted specie.  Be thankful you have some and shut up, you encourage others
to want some.  That is what creates markets and commerce.

The best alternative, I will state once again, is jojoba oil.  Use it!!

The mountain men in the Rocky Mountains (and every other frontier) used
whatever grease they had when they needed it which could be from any of the
native animals, in civilized areas several plants could be processed for oil.
Bear was favored (particularly in cooking) beaver was usually handy to folks
who trapped beaver for a living.  Grease was grease.  Only a damn fool would
waste good whiskey & geegaw money buying grease for a gun.  People had a lot
more respect for and less of money back then and made do with what they had.
They only bought what they really needed and that which provide the greatest
pleasure.

This subject has been beat to death over and over in the archives.  Read
them.
Follow the link on the bottom of every page that crosses this list.


As a general comment unrelated to the referenced posting, same general
subject:


There is no need to mention modern petroleum base products on a,
pre-industrial
revolution, historic discussion list; there is nothing worth learning there.

We have period alternatives to those few things unavailable.  Often they are
the most correct to the period.

John...


At 12:10 PM 3/11/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Yes, Whale Oil is some good stuff! I was able to procure some
>Of course I do intend to be very conservative in its use because
>eventually there will be no replacing it.
>
>
>"Teton" Todd D. Glover
>Poison River Party Pilgrim
>

Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:11:28 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!!

John
Good input and I agree 100% with you.  Sorry for the slip on that modern
stuff that most folks are using. A little bar grease is all I ever use.

                                                see ya on the trail
                                                 Crazy Cyot

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:38:45 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!!

Crazy, I have a gallon of whale oil around here somewhere. Next time I run
across it I'll send you a little can full. . . .if you want it.
Bill C
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!!


>Hello in the camp
> I believe the most common used lubricant used in 18th and 19th century was
>whale oil. Great stuff I traded in to a little of it years ago. Being young
>and stupid I used it up. (Now I'm just older and still stupid) Whale oil is
a
>fine lite oil and a little goes a long ways. But do to whales being in
short
>supply the stuff is like gold now. A lite sewing machine oil comes close to
>it. I have also used bear grease on the out side of the gun but be cause of
>fouling do not use it down the bore. A lot of people I know use WD40 but
that
>is little to modern of me.
>                                                  See ya on the trail
>                                                     Crazy Cyot
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:39:37 PST
From: "Chance Tiffie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses???

I am looking for a copy of the book entitled "Primitive Indian Dresses," by
Susan Fecteau.  I have searched Amazon and a few other places and have been
unsuccesful.  Does anyone have a copy they would be interested in parting
with, or is anyone aware of a source for the book???  Much thanks in
advance.



Cliff Tiffie
PO Box 5089
Durant, OK
74702
580-924-4187
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:32:18 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts

Thanks!
Ole
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>From: [e-mail]
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>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts
>Date: Sat, Mar 11, 2000, 9:52 AM
>

>Ole
>just doing a bit of head scratching and pondering---believe the project
>that you have started is already accomplished or close to it that
>is---you need to look at national geographics (older one) dont know the
>date or such but they have a map of indian fights and of forts in the
>area that were used ---look at vol 172 no 2  dated august 1987  page 100
>is a map of canida showing the HBC fort locations also vol 162 no 5
>dated nov 1982  it has a mak insert of the southwest showing a lot of the
>info you are seeking there is also a national geographics that shows
>indian fights and their locations you need to do a search of the national
>geographics at your local library and you will find that what you are
>doing has already been done in the most part---and there is fold-out maps
>that support and post the data---
>
>I have a couple of the maps that i use when we go west to climb kivas and
>there is a lot of info that has already been documented---
>
>believe if you spend a couple of hrs at the library you may have just
>what you are looking for in this area---decide on the issue you need then
>go to a book store of flea market and look for that volume and date---
>
>YMHOSANT
>       =+=
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>Michael Pierce
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>On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:15:57 -0700 "Ole B. Jensen"
><[e-mail]> writes:
>> Poorboy,
>> The map I am using I purchased at a School supply/map store, they
>> had every
>> kind of map you could think of including historic reproductions and
>> books
>> that show maps in the 1700s and 1800s.
>> (Utah Idaho book supplyi in Murray Utah) hope this helps.
>> YMOS
>> Ole # 718
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>> >From: "Poorboy" <[e-mail]>
>> >To: <[e-mail]>
>> >Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trade Forts
>> >Date: Sat, Mar 11, 2000, 7:25 AM
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >>The map I am marking up shows no states or cities only rivers and
>> >mountains,
>> >>Ole # 718<
>> >>
>> >Klahowya, Ole
>> >reading your recent posts on this subject has motivated me to
>> undertake a
>> >similar project that I have wanted to do for some time.  That is
>> make a very
>> >large map, 60"x100" for my den wall, that I could post forts,
>> trails, major
>> >fur trade landmarks and rendezvous on.  What a reference tool this
>> will be
>> >when reading and organizing information.  Question for the list:
>> the paper I
>> >have obtained is white and of a similar weight as butcher paper,
>> but not
>> >waxed.  I would like to age it to a light tan or parchment color
>> does anyone
>> >have any suggestions.  It seems recently I read something from a
>> teacher
>> >that suggested working with students with quills and writing and
>> they were
>> >able to age the paper some how.  Also question for Ole, Do you or
>> does
>> >anyone have any suggestions as to a good map to use as a reference
>> so I can
>> >reproduce my map onto the paper.  It will be a tedious, by hand
>> project, but
>> >I am very anxious to get started.
>> >
>> >Thank you in advance for your time and thoughts.  Your most humble
>> and
>> >obedient servant.
>> >PoorBoy
>> >
>> >
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:41:42 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: AMM Flag?

Ho the camp!
I must be getting old but as I remember don't we have a flag?
What does it look like and where can I get one? sure would like to display
it proudly at camp.
Bill, do you have any hat's left?
YMOS
Ole # 718

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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:13:39 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!!

Thanks Bill
For the kind offer If I had some it would be only for show a tells. For it
would be a waste to use it up to my way of thinkin. And to tell the truth my
guns don't see a hole lot of oil. keep clean and dry, no need. John I've had
time to think over what you said I guess I don't agree 100% with you. On the
whale oil I do agree but for your statement "This subject has been beat to
death over and over in the archives. read them" I do not and will not agree.
I can see a time when this list will be no more be cause it all has been beat
to death. There are new people come on to this list all the time who have not
had a chance to have any input in any of the subject that have already been
covered and they my have something of value to add. I did not know when I
came on this list that I had to study the archives be for I could try help
someone with a question or study all the archives before asking a question.
Who needs the list we've got archives. You read them.
                                                                    Crazy Cyot

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