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hist_text-digest     Wednesday, February 16 2000     Volume 01 : Number 466



In this issue:

-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes
-áááááá MtMan-List: Varnish on snow shoes
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Varnish & waterproofing moccs
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Varnish & waterproofing moccs
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes
-áááááá MtMan-List: Of Snowshoes and Winter Moccs...
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: red river carts
-áááááá MtMan-List: Conner Prarie Arms Show
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: red river carts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Period Bibles.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:01:19 -0700
From: Vic Barkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes

Ive use spar varnish for years. I know it's not made from spars so I'm
curious, just what is it? I've always been reasonably sure it was
authentic. I've been told that brewers pitch (50% beeswax, 50% pine pitch
and enough powdered charcoal to turn the mixture a dark brown acts as a
binder) was used in the field. never have used it on snowshoes, but I have
made it for packframe joint lashing covering. worked well for that.

Vic

>What do others use as varnishes?  Would hide glue work?
>
>Rick
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail]
>[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Vic Barkin
>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 2:17 PM
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes
>
>
>Lee,
>
>If you want to try making your own snowshoes, I can pull together some
>instructions I used a few years back and send them to you. My Chippiwas are
>long enough to support my full pack weight and work well for open country.
>it was an enjoyable experience to make them from scratch. Used elk webbing,
>would have preferred moose, but they are rare in Arizona. Works pretty well
>tho as long as I keep them well varnished.
>
>Vic
>
>>Good Day All
>>
>>Just a short note on a little winter walk in the woods and meadows of
>>Idaho last weekend...
>>
>>The good Capt Lahti and crew opted to drag me along on a wee little walk
>>along Feather Creek, just north of Boville, Idaho  (Thanks Jerry, Lou,
>>Cliff, Vern, Capt & Joe).
>>
>>I finally got to the trailhead about 20 hours behind schedule.... was
>>delayed a bit by a brokedown snowplow (mine), and a daughter's truck in
>>the ditch..... then had to chain up just to manuver my old truck into the
>>rather cozy parking arrangement... a snowplow had made a swipe at the
>>shoulder to create "pull out" area, into which we packed five trucks of
>>various sizes...
>>
>>Once I was there, learned some interesting things....
>>
>>On snowshoes... they need to be big enough to support not only your
>>weight, but the weight of your pack.  They also need to have the rawhide
>>re-shelacked BEFORE wearing them in snow.  I will be hunting for a pair of
>>pointed Ojibawa's before the next winter jaunt.
>>
>>On keeping warm... Pine boughs (fir actually), do keep the cold at bay as
>>well as straw, and are easier to pack.  The waterproof canvas diamond I
>>had wrapped around my blankets also helped a great deal.  I do not regret
>>the four blankets I packed in....
>>
>>On clothing... standard blanket capotes need help in really cold
>>weather.  I wore a wool shirt (minus sleeves) over my standard shirt, but
>>if the capote had been lined with a medium weight wool, it would have been
>>perfect.  The mittens were a mite bit thin (blanket weight) and could have
>>used a leather over mitten.  The wool dropfront trousers worked very well,
>>and I was glad to have them.  a voyager style wool cap would have been
>>very nice, but the hood on my capote sufficed.  The layered "pac" moccasin
>>worked well, but one ought not to forget to pack the extra wool
>>stockings.  Also, the Salish side seam needs to be modified so the snow
>>does not rush into the opening by the tounge.
>>
>>On food... did ok on that, actually too much I think.  Carried in about a
>>pound of deer roast, 1 1/2 lbs of jerked elk, some corn meal, parched
>>corn, a dozen ship biscuits (hardtack), and a canteen of water.  I could
>>have left all my food at home with the amount of food that was available
>>from the "vets".  Still, it was fun to experiment.  Did you know that
>>corn meal and water in the boiler left too long on the fire makes
>>something that looks like cornbread, but tastes like moist
>>cornmeal?  There is a squirrel out there that is eating well right about
>>now...
>>
>>On packing in and out... I need to lighten the load a bit... I packed in
>>my 10x10 sunforger heavy duck diamond... will probably switch to a
>>light canvas cover for the blankets, and a lighter diamond for
>>shelter.  With a periodic application of waterproofing a la Kramer's
>>formula, I should be pretty well protected.  My good friend Vern tried oil
>>cloth a year or so ago, it shattered in the cold, so I don't think I'll go
>>that route <G>
>>
>>Overall it was a good experiance, despite my insomnia from trying to
>>switch from a graveyard work schedule, to one dictated by the sun.  Could
>>have used some bear grease (forgotten), and those extra socks, also missed
>>my meat skewer (misplaced), so, I need to refine my list of things to take
>>and things to leave a bit more, but other than that, looking forward to
>>the next wandering.
>>
>>Your Most Obedient Servant...
>>
>>Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
>>Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders
>>http://www.geocities.com/~lnewbill
>>
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>Northern Arizona University
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:18:05 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Varnish on snow shoes

Rick,

I've always used spar varnish too. To be honest, I have no idea what a
suitable period substitute would be. I'll throw this thought out though.
Snow shoes were probably more traditionally used in much colder climates
than where I use them now. In such climates as they traditionally were used
in the snow probably does not get warm enough to wet the rawhide lacing
thus eliminating the necessity of a special finish. Perhaps some animal
grease but I doubt that a mix of pine tar/charcoal would have been used.
Strikes me as being too messy for that particular application. I am only
speculating and that may not be right.

As to winter mocs, it has been my experience so far that a lightweight
leather without scarf skin and oiled or greased to reduce the amount of
water that might be absorbed will do just fine when worn over layers of wool
with a loose fit. But others may have different ways of dealing with winter
which work just as well. I remain...

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:49:33 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Varnish & waterproofing moccs

Captain,
Thanks.  To further your knowledge base:

     Matt Richards runs a site called braintan.com and there's a forum there
called "The Hideout" with some good info on waterproofing braintan leather.
It's at www.braintan.com/hideout.

Rick



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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:41:56 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Varnish & waterproofing moccs

Rick,

Thanks. That's quit a resource. I remain...

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Varnish & waterproofing moccs


>
>
> Captain,
> Thanks.  To further your knowledge base:
>
>      Matt Richards runs a site called braintan.com and there's a forum
there
> called "The Hideout" with some good info on waterproofing braintan
leather.
> It's at www.braintan.com/hideout.
>
> Rick
>
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:31:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes

On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Vic Barkin wrote:
> If you want to try making your own snowshoes, I can pull together some
> instructions I used a few years back and send them to you.

Vic, that's a generous offer and I would be grateful.  One of the many
topics we covered this weekend was on steaming and shaping wood in the
making of snowshoes.

I am very much a novice when it comes to strapping oversized tennis
rackets on your feet and wandering afield, and still haven't figgered out
all the angles... before this weekend, I didna know how many different
types of snowshoes there were... Alaskan, Maine, Objibwa, etc.  One of the
problems I had initially was that I did not have my feet far enough up in
the bindings... and as a result, my right foot was cock-eyed and the heel
was striking the wood on the outside of the snowshoe... not a pleasant
experiance with moccs and the weight of all my gear... fortunately, Cliff
spotted that and after a short class, it was much better <G>

I was also quite surprised when the rawhide lacings got a wee bit floppy
when they got wet.... which brings me to another point...

How does one repair and tighten the lacings?  From my weekend
observations, I would guess you would soak them in water until pliable,
then sew? tie? on the repair lengths, dry the whole works till tight
agian, and then cover with spar varnish?

Your Most Obedient Servant...

Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders
http://www.geocities.com/~lnewbill


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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:46:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Of Snowshoes and Winter Moccs...

On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 [e-mail] wrote:
> I read here that the snowshoes need shellac or varnish.  What's proper and
> right?

Fortunately, others have stepped in to answer this question, which I, as a
novice, am trying to figger out also<G>

> On my winter moccs I use a mixture of 3 parts tallow, 2 parts beeswax, 1 part
> pitch.

I had planned on using 100% bear grease on my moccs, but ran out of time
to go see my main pusher, er.. supplier of Neat & Cool stuff, Tony Roberts
of Mountain Top Trading.  So... I checked out the local outfitter
(Tristate Outfitters), and found a substance called "Huberd's Shoe
Grease"... made up mostly of beeswax and pinetar, with other natural oils
to condition and make it workable.  It worked well.  My feet stayed dry
for about 24 hours of active use... I mentioned a broken snowplow and a
daughter in the ditch?  I was dressed to go play at noon on friday when I
found out I had carbourator problems (had to plow the drive afore I could
play), and then walked about 2 miles to rescue daughter #2.  So was quite
pleased with the outcome.  It probably would have lasted longer except for
the gas I spilled on the moccs while working on the tractor.

Your Most Obedient Servant...

Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:10:22 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes

Vic, I have a little book (Lighting Grandma's Fire) out on mountain man
skills. In it is a chapter on making mountain man snowshoes. It's a
simplified method that makes bending that wood a whole lot easier than
steaming or boiling them. Also, the webbing is a very old style and much
easier to lace than those done today. There is also a book out by a guy from
Maine on how to make modern day shoes. I think you can go to Amazon and type
in snowshoes and find it. It is a good book, full of great tips.
Bill C
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes


>On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Vic Barkin wrote:
>> If you want to try making your own snowshoes, I can pull together some
>> instructions I used a few years back and send them to you.
>
>Vic, that's a generous offer and I would be grateful.  One of the many
>topics we covered this weekend was on steaming and shaping wood in the
>making of snowshoes.
>
>I am very much a novice when it comes to strapping oversized tennis
>rackets on your feet and wandering afield, and still haven't figgered out
>all the angles... before this weekend, I didna know how many different
>types of snowshoes there were... Alaskan, Maine, Objibwa, etc.  One of the
>problems I had initially was that I did not have my feet far enough up in
>the bindings... and as a result, my right foot was cock-eyed and the heel
>was striking the wood on the outside of the snowshoe... not a pleasant
>experiance with moccs and the weight of all my gear... fortunately, Cliff
>spotted that and after a short class, it was much better <G>
>
>I was also quite surprised when the rawhide lacings got a wee bit floppy
>when they got wet.... which brings me to another point...
>
>How does one repair and tighten the lacings?  From my weekend
>observations, I would guess you would soak them in water until pliable,
>then sew? tie? on the repair lengths, dry the whole works till tight
>agian, and then cover with spar varnish?
>
>Your Most Obedient Servant...
>
>Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
>Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders
>http://www.geocities.com/~lnewbill
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:31:25 -0500
From: jerry derringer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: red river carts

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Howdy!
 I would like to take a look at the cart pics if'n ya don't mind sendin
them.
Thanks!
jd
Ratcliff wrote:

>   There were two red river carts, said to be copies of museum pieces,
> at a rendezvous I attended in Montana in 1996.  I have a few photos of
> them (complete with a whopping longhorn steer to pull them) that I
> will gladly forward to anyone who asks.YMOSLanney Ratcliffps:  Please
> note that the OWNER not ME claimed that the carts were authentic.  I
> have no knowledge of such things, but they looked great and a couple
> of the photos give pretty good detail (but not really close up).  One
> had rawhide tires.



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<BR> I would like to take a look at the cart pics if'n ya don't mind
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<BR>Thanks!
<BR>jd
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steer to pull them) that I will gladly forward to anyone who asks.YMOSLanney
Ratcliffps:  Please note that the OWNER not ME claimed that the carts
were authentic.  I have no knowledge of such things, but they looked
great and a couple of the photos give pretty good detail (but not really
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:41:28 -0500
From: jerry derringer <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Conner Prarie Arms Show

Howdy!
For the "easterner's" in this list, Conner Prarie is having their 17th
annual Antique Arms Show this Feb 26th from 9am to 5pm & Sun Feb 27th from
9am to 4pm. admission is $4. at the Hamilton Co. 4-H fairgrounds in
Noblesville.  Address is Conner Prarie Rifles
7117 N. Olney St., Indpls, Ind 46240  on the card I just got in snail mail
today.Just thought some of ya might like to know. That is all the info I
have on the subject.
jd





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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:40:41 -0700
From: Vic Barkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes

Bill,

I'd like to see your book. By any chance does the bending without steaming
involve soaking? Thats the only other way I know how to do it. A friend
whow has made some dogsleds soaks his staves in his bathtub, 'course he
laminates his wood (modern technique fer sure).

Vic

>Vic, I have a little book (Lighting Grandma's Fire) out on mountain man
>skills. In it is a chapter on making mountain man snowshoes. It's a
>simplified method that makes bending that wood a whole lot easier than
>steaming or boiling them. Also, the webbing is a very old style and much
>easier to lace than those done today. There is also a book out by a guy from
>Maine on how to make modern day shoes. I think you can go to Amazon and type
>in snowshoes and find it. It is a good book, full of great tips.
>Bill C
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 1:34 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes
>
>
>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Vic Barkin wrote:
>>> If you want to try making your own snowshoes, I can pull together some
>>> instructions I used a few years back and send them to you.
>>
>>Vic, that's a generous offer and I would be grateful.  One of the many
>>topics we covered this weekend was on steaming and shaping wood in the
>>making of snowshoes.
>>
>>I am very much a novice when it comes to strapping oversized tennis
>>rackets on your feet and wandering afield, and still haven't figgered out
>>all the angles... before this weekend, I didna know how many different
>>types of snowshoes there were... Alaskan, Maine, Objibwa, etc.  One of the
>>problems I had initially was that I did not have my feet far enough up in
>>the bindings... and as a result, my right foot was cock-eyed and the heel
>>was striking the wood on the outside of the snowshoe... not a pleasant
>>experiance with moccs and the weight of all my gear... fortunately, Cliff
>>spotted that and after a short class, it was much better <G>
>>
>>I was also quite surprised when the rawhide lacings got a wee bit floppy
>>when they got wet.... which brings me to another point...
>>
>>How does one repair and tighten the lacings?  From my weekend
>>observations, I would guess you would soak them in water until pliable,
>>then sew? tie? on the repair lengths, dry the whole works till tight
>>agian, and then cover with spar varnish?
>>
>>Your Most Obedient Servant...
>>
>>Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
>>Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders
>>http://www.geocities.com/~lnewbill
>>
>>
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Three Rivers Party

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:33:28 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: red river carts

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:45:20 -0500
From: tom roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Bibles.

Matt,

I'm not certain what you mean by a "modern copy of a period bible" unless
you are referring to something which has been scanned or republished.
Why not try to find an original?  I have had some success on Ebay and now
have a couple, my best one was published in 1834, leather bound, and at 3" by
5"
it is small enough to fit into my possibles bag.  As you might imagine at
that size
it is quite hard to read but that's a small price to pay to have an
original.  Best
of all it only cost a few dollars.

Best of luck in your search,

Tom

Matthew Porter wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can get a modern copy of a period bible?  Thanks
> for any help you can provide.
>
> Matt
>   Porter
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:26:28 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes

No. No soaking is necessarily necessary. It depends on how you want to go
about it. If you cut your own wood you put it in a very simple frame and
bend it and let it dry. Otherwise you can heat it or, yes, soak it. These
are mountain man shoes, so they are of two pieces. I've made them from
various woods, including cedar, cottonwood, alder, and willow, all of which
I acquired "on the stump." Recently I tried to get some straight grain ash
which doesn't grow here and none of the supply stores in western Colorado
could get me any.
Bill
- -----Original Message-----
From: Vic Barkin <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes


>Bill,
>
>I'd like to see your book. By any chance does the bending without steaming
>involve soaking? Thats the only other way I know how to do it. A friend
>whow has made some dogsleds soaks his staves in his bathtub, 'course he
>laminates his wood (modern technique fer sure).
>
>Vic
>
>>Vic, I have a little book (Lighting Grandma's Fire) out on mountain man
>>skills. In it is a chapter on making mountain man snowshoes. It's a
>>simplified method that makes bending that wood a whole lot easier than
>>steaming or boiling them. Also, the webbing is a very old style and much
>>easier to lace than those done today. There is also a book out by a guy
from
>>Maine on how to make modern day shoes. I think you can go to Amazon and
type
>>in snowshoes and find it. It is a good book, full of great tips.
>>Bill C
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
>>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 1:34 PM
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Vic Barkin wrote:
>>>> If you want to try making your own snowshoes, I can pull together some
>>>> instructions I used a few years back and send them to you.
>>>
>>>Vic, that's a generous offer and I would be grateful.  One of the many
>>>topics we covered this weekend was on steaming and shaping wood in the
>>>making of snowshoes.
>>>
>>>I am very much a novice when it comes to strapping oversized tennis
>>>rackets on your feet and wandering afield, and still haven't figgered out
>>>all the angles... before this weekend, I didna know how many different
>>>types of snowshoes there were... Alaskan, Maine, Objibwa, etc.  One of
the
>>>problems I had initially was that I did not have my feet far enough up in
>>>the bindings... and as a result, my right foot was cock-eyed and the heel
>>>was striking the wood on the outside of the snowshoe... not a pleasant
>>>experiance with moccs and the weight of all my gear... fortunately, Cliff
>>>spotted that and after a short class, it was much better <G>
>>>
>>>I was also quite surprised when the rawhide lacings got a wee bit floppy
>>>when they got wet.... which brings me to another point...
>>>
>>>How does one repair and tighten the lacings?  From my weekend
>>>observations, I would guess you would soak them in water until pliable,
>>>then sew? tie? on the repair lengths, dry the whole works till tight
>>>agian, and then cover with spar varnish?
>>>
>>>Your Most Obedient Servant...
>>>
>>>Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
>>>Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders
>>>http://www.geocities.com/~lnewbill
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>AMM #1537
>Three Rivers Party
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:19:30 -0600
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes

Laminating wood is not a new technique.  Egyptians were applying thin exotic
veneers to common wood carcass.  Plywood of multiple layers cross laid for
stability were oft joined before the fret work exposed the layers of ebony,
holly, rosewood, and such.  Wood and horn were laminated to make the=
 strongest
bows ever known, by native peoples on at least two continents I'm aware of. =
 A
sinew backed bow is a laminated piece.  Coachmakers did extensive
laminations.=20


How were original dogsled runners formed?  What material by what technique?
 Is
the same true in all cultures? =20

Wood is readily bent with dry heat.  It is the only accepted method for
straightening (another form of bending) specialty products like split Tonkin
cane bamboo fly rods.

Finish the wood work thru final sanding and burnishing; then holding in your
hands move back and forth and rotate the work in your hands over a direct
flame
about the intensity of a wide open Bunsen burner.  You need to get the wood
hot
enough to ignite and if you stop its motion even momentarily it will or at
least scorch.  When up to temperature bend in your hands to the shape you=
 want
and keep working it to that shape until it cools and holds.  It can also be
bent to a form -- if so exaggerate the bend you want as it will straighten
some
on removal from the form.  If you have tender hands this may not be much=
 fun,
do not wear gloves it is too difficult to feel when the wood is ready to=
 move
just where you need it to move.

In the archive a couple of years back there are long discussions on varnish
and
spar varnish in particular.

Spar varnish is no more nor less than a made up name to describe some
manufacturer's exterior varnish.  It has become a generic name that means
NOTHING.

For all practical purposes there is nothing called varnish that should be.=
=20
There is no real varnish being sold it is all modern synthetic, and nothing
like varnish used to be.  It is not only not authentic it is not much good=
 for
anything.  Shellac is the only true traditional surface finish left to us. =
 It
will not wear as long as plastic, but unlike plastic when it wears it is
infinitely repairable, even in camp.  You can carry a little dry flake and=
 cut
it with cheap rot gut whiskey in a real emergency.  Sealing wax is another
excellent period repair material no possibles bag should be without a tiny
piece of.  A teaspoon or two of hide glue could come in handy, a bit of wax
and
more of rosin, strip of tin, vinegar, soda, a good oil, in addition to a=
 crook
knife, file, needles, awl, thread &/or sinew, a scrap of wire, a little
rawhide
a few trimmings of buckskin and the repair kit in your possibles bag becomes
pretty capable of handling any wilderness repair.  Every tool increases your
capability dramatically if wisely chosen.  It is way too easy to want to=
 carry
a thousand pounds of tools.  Choose wrong and it's only dead weight.  Do you
need a small axe if you have a large knife?  Would a small shovel add more
utility to your camp than either -- for about the same weight? =20

How much thought have you really given to the repair materials and tools you
carry?

John...

Bye the Bye; hide glue (well boiled rawhide), various gums and resins as
can be
gathered from indigenous flora and fauna, various wax &/or oils/grease can
also
be used to seal rawhide from too readily absorbing moisture.  Dry over the
fire
at night, it ain't a new problem.  Work with what was probably used in the
first place and you might learn a little more than by using a modern varnish
for convenience.

It is always easier to survive where the temperature is well below freezing
all
the time, than where it constantly waffles back and forth. =20






At 05:40 PM 2/15/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Bill,
>
>I'd like to see your book. By any chance does the bending without steaming
>involve soaking? Thats the only other way I know how to do it. A friend
>whow has made some dogsleds soaks his staves in his bathtub, 'course he
>laminates his wood (modern technique fer sure).
>
>Vic
>
>>Vic, I have a little book (Lighting Grandma's Fire) out on mountain man
>>skills. In it is a chapter on making mountain man snowshoes. It's a
>>simplified method that makes bending that wood a whole lot easier than
>>steaming or boiling them. Also, the webbing is a very old style and much
>>easier to lace than those done today. There is also a book out by a guy=
 from
>>Maine on how to make modern day shoes. I think you can go to Amazon and=
 type
>>in snowshoes and find it. It is a good book, full of great tips.
>>Bill C
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
>>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 1:34 PM
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Vic Barkin wrote:
>>>> If you want to try making your own snowshoes, I can pull together some
>>>> instructions I used a few years back and send them to you.
>>>
>>>Vic, that's a generous offer and I would be grateful.=A0 One of the many
>>>topics we covered this weekend was on steaming and shaping wood in the
>>>making of snowshoes.
>>>
>>>I am very much a novice when it comes to strapping oversized tennis
>>>rackets on your feet and wandering afield, and still haven't figgered out
>>>all the angles... before this weekend, I didna know how many different
>>>types of snowshoes there were... Alaskan, Maine, Objibwa, etc.=A0 One of=
 the
>>>problems I had initially was that I did not have my feet far enough up in
>>>the bindings... and as a result, my right foot was cock-eyed and the heel
>>>was striking the wood on the outside of the snowshoe... not a pleasant
>>>experiance with moccs and the weight of all my gear... fortunately, Cliff
>>>spotted that and after a short class, it was much better <G>
>>>
>>>I was also quite surprised when the rawhide lacings got a wee bit floppy
>>>when they got wet.... which brings me to another point...
>>>
>>>How does one repair and tighten the lacings?=A0 From my weekend
>>>observations, I would guess you would soak them in water until pliable,
>>>then sew? tie? on the repair lengths, dry the whole works till tight
>>>agian, and then cover with spar varnish?
>>>
>>>Your Most Obedient Servant...
>>>
>>>Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
>>>Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders
>>><http://www.geocities.com/~lnewbill>http://www.geocities.com/~lnewbill
>>>
>>>
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>AMM #1537
>Three Rivers Party
>
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>=20
John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0

Kramer's Best Antique Improver
>>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<<

<http://www.kramerize.com/>

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