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hist_text-digest       Tuesday, February 1 2000       Volume 01 : Number 459



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Passing of a friend, list member, etc.]
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: first rendevous
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: first rendevous
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: first rendevous
-áááááá MtMan-List: Lee "Turtle" Boyer
-áááááá MtMan-List: Snow (3-4 feet)
-áááááá MtMan-List: rifles
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rifles
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rifles
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rifles
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Waterproof Porous Cloth
-áááááá MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives
-áááááá MtMan-List: What's in a Name?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What's in a Name?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What's in a Name?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Waterproof Porous Cloth

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:37:57 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Passing of a friend, list member, etc.]

buck
wish the family our best and stress if there is anything we can do let us
know---again sorry for the big loss--

    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.             (Home of "Old Grizz"  products)    (C)
Palm Harbor Florida     34684        Phone:    [phone]
e-mail:   [e-mail]  web site:http:\\angelfire.com\fl2\mpierce

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 13:47:56 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: first rendevous

Frank:

    If you ask a scientist about combustion he will give you all the details.
 If you ask someone how to light a fire, they will probably hand you a match.
 But Frank, as you obviously know, there is a smell in the smoke, that most
folks, no matter how deeply they inhale, can't distinguish.

    To me, it's a smell of the past, of people in my own family and otherwise
in our nation's history, that I would like to gather around, in the dim light
of the fire - shutting out the rest of the world -- to share with, learn.
Sharing yarns, and wisdoms, and outright lies that give a body merriment.

    Maybe someday I'll run into you Frank, and we'll sit around that fire
with other friends, and I'll tell you how I showed up at the Wind River 1838
reenactment in Wyoming and now, looking back, made more embarrassing
historically Inaccurate, foolish mistakes than I desire to share (again) on
this list.  But I made friends, Frank.  I made friends that I don't have to
see every year.  I made friends that I pull around every fire I build, most
are in spirit because most often I build my fires alone.  And do you know
what?  The best part?  In this day and age of the Internet I found some magic
again that my life had been sorely lacking.

    You see it's not about your long rifle or your moccasins at all.  Clothes
don't make the man, regardless of the time.  Honor makes the man and that's
what you'll find in the histories we read and the new friends you will make,
on this list, and at the fire.

    Best wishes to you, Frank.  See you in the silver smoke.

Laura Glise
[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:43:58 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: first rendevous

VERY well put, Laura.  It's a commradire (sp) that most folks will never
know. (And thats a shame...)

Ad Miller


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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:32:01 -0500
From: "Crooked Hand" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: first rendevous

 VERY well put, Laura.  It's a commradire (sp) that most folks will never
know. (And thats a shame...)
 Ad Miller
**********
True Ad... If I did not go to Rendezvous, I would still be wonderingwhat
kind of mate you were..a nd that lovely wife of yours.. would only be
somebody I was still waiting to meet.. you are all such fine folks.. and I
betcha that everybody who shared your fire knows that what I say is true.

FOlks who don;t go to rendezvous are just plain missing out on the most
excellent activity they can put in ther callendars... fires to share, food
to enjoy, songs, jokes, stories, fresh air and COMRADESHIP/////// not to be
replaced by anything else.

Your camp, fire and friendship willnot soon be forgotten!
Crooked Hand


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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:25:22 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: Lee "Turtle" Boyer

Buck,
Please convey my deepest sympathies to your aunt and her sons at this
terrible tragedy of losing a husband, a father, and a friend to many.
May the God of all comfort and strength help the tearful widow and her
brave sons thru this most difficult and painful time.

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 23:01:24 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: Snow (3-4 feet)

Two brothers in my church (and 2 other brothers who had to come back
Friday) just returned late Saturday afternoon from a weeklong primitive
snowmobile camp 80 miles north of Sault Ste.Marie, Michigan - Ontario.
No telephone lines nor modern buildings and only road was a gravel
"highway".  Reported 3-4 feet of snow on the ground (considered real
light at this time for an average winter there).  Saw lots of trapper's
cabins or shacks and a few wolves - no moose, bear, etc.  Sounds like a
great place for a winter rondy.  Lanney may want to trade for a foot of
this stuff.

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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 07:40:48 PST
From: "Patrick Goltl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: rifles

does anyone have any info on Deer Creek rifles?  junk?  accurate or pathetic
reproduction?

i know absolutely nothing about them, so any information is appreciated.
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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:47:29 -0800
From: "jdearing" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifles

> does anyone have any info on Deer Creek rifles?  junk?  accurate or
pathetic
> reproduction?
>
> i know absolutely nothing about them, so any information is appreciated.

There was a thread on Deer Creek rifles on the Traditional Muzzleloading
Message Hide
about a month ago;
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb106703&TL=

I don't think there were many good things said about them.
someone there can fill you in.
J.D.


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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:31:54 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifles

Patrick Goltl wrote:
>
> does anyone have any info on Deer Creek rifles?  junk?  accurate or pathetic
> reproduction?
>
> i know absolutely nothing about them, so any information is appreciated.

In the past, their work was VERY good! I haven't seen anything from them
in a couple of years, so I don't know how good the workmanship is now.

Fred



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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:14:56 -0500
From: "Crooked Hand" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifles

Fred... I bought two of their rifles in the last 2 years.. they were so nice
and so accurate out of the box that when I showed them to friends.. I had to
order more!  nice stuff.. and if you have any problems, they actually talk
to you on the phone.. and are NICE about it!
Crooked Hand/Wethlee-Enke`
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699
http://members.xoom.com/crookedhand/gallery.htm

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From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifles


> Patrick Goltl wrote:
> >
> > does anyone have any info on Deer Creek rifles?  junk?  accurate or
pathetic
> > reproduction?
> >
> > i know absolutely nothing about them, so any information is appreciated.
>
> In the past, their work was VERY good! I haven't seen anything from them
> in a couple of years, so I don't know how good the workmanship is now.
>
> Fred
>
>
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:26:13 -0600
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Waterproof Porous Cloth

Waterproof Porous Cloth

I have many recipes I won't publish.  The ingredients are too difficult to
come
by or too dangerous to be mentioning on a general interest list.

Modern alternatives to the old materials don't work the same way so the
results
are quite different than they originally were.  In most cases the results with
modern materials are less satisfactory than those done wholly the traditional
way.

I have finally encountered an old recipe, which should work for waterproofing
cloth without the need to use litharge and other forms of lead.   I am
providing an edited version of the original for clarity and brevity.

The process works for both canvas and wool.  It is claimed to be impervious to
water yet allows the passage of air.

Make 2 quarts weak glue.  (Hot hide glue thin as water.)
Add 1 ounce alum
Add 2 ounces lye soap (makes for softer cloth)

Apply (brush) hot to both sides of stretched cloth with the nap.  Or run small
pieces of cloth through the solution made by the tubful and wring dry with
rollers.

First air-dry the treated cloth; then dry in a room at low heat allow the
cloth
to remain for a few days, be certain to expel all the moisture completely.
Sun
drying can speed the process.

John...

Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
john [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:16:33 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives

Hello All,

A good friend of mine who has too much spare time on his hands, is
thinking of making some replica "I.Wilson" knives. (Of course I know it's
really "J. Wilson", spare me)

Before he starts he wants to know if there is any interest out there in
obtaing one.
Here are the details: he'll use 8" Russell butcher blades, taper the
handle section so it appears hand forged, put on hickory handles with six
pins and shaped as per originals, and lastly he's looked into having a
stamp made with the orginal "I. Wilson" marking and correct cartouches.
He figures the finished product with shipping should be $35.00 each.

Before he has a $250.00 stamp made, he asked me to query you good folks
to see if there's any interest.

Of course we're not talking any attempt at forgery, just a correct
looking replica.

let me know if you're interested....


"Teton" Todd D. Glover
Poison River Party Pilgrim



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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:09:20 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: What's in a Name?

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Matt asked:=20

 I was trying to pick out a Muntain Man name. I've narrowed it down to =
"Rook"(short for rookie and it is also a castle) or "Tatonka" (Native =
American for the largest and smartest bull buffalo of the herd). Tell me =
what y'all think.

The Capt. and Jill explained the naming quite well but I thought that =
perhaps I could do it more humorously. In a local group here there is a =
feller known "whar ere Mountain Men shall meet" as No Grimace. Which as =
you may guess came from forgetting a rather popular beverage when it was =
assigned to his care. You can likely guess what Dry Dog forgot. Another =
man received his name from singing at the wrong time, since you have =
probably heard that "It aint over tell the Fat Duck sings!"=20

There is even Cherry who never seemed to do anything wrong to get a =
naming. That was not for me. I quickly earned the title of Small Balls. =
Now that it is a long story (not to be told at this fire) but trust that =
I earned it and wear it proudly.=20

I realize that some here are grieving the loss of a close friend and =
hope that my humor is not poorly timed. I spoke at my seventeen year old =
nephews funeral last summer and I know that humor can be perfectly =
acceptable way to grieve. He was Char rokee. A mispronunciation of the =
name of a rifle he had been given for Christmas. My condolences to the =
friends of Lee "Turtle" Boyer.=20




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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:12:53 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What's in a Name?

I think you don't go looking for a name, you let one come to you. You
asked....

Todd Glover

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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:43:42 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives

Todd, I'd proly be game for a couple at that price....Keep us posted?
hardtack

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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:00:06 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives

Todd
Good knife makers are hard to find these days.....count me in for one of =
the knives for $35.
Lanney Ratcliff
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From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 9:16 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives


> Hello All,
>=20
> A good friend of mine who has too much spare time on his hands, is
> thinking of making some replica "I.Wilson" knives. (Of course I know =
it's
> really "J. Wilson", spare me)
>=20
> Before he starts he wants to know if there is any interest out there =
in
> obtaing one.
> Here are the details: he'll use 8" Russell butcher blades, taper the
> handle section so it appears hand forged, put on hickory handles with =
six
> pins and shaped as per originals, and lastly he's looked into having a
> stamp made with the orginal "I. Wilson" marking and correct =
cartouches.
> He figures the finished product with shipping should be $35.00 each.
>=20
> Before he has a $250.00 stamp made, he asked me to query you good =
folks=20
> to see if there's any interest.
>=20
> Of course we're not talking any attempt at forgery, just a correct
> looking replica.
>=20
> let me know if you're interested....
>=20
>=20
> "Teton" Todd D. Glover
> Poison River Party Pilgrim
>=20
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:04:23 -0800
From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives

Teton,

I'd be interested in a couple at that price and I suspect a couple of
guys up here in my party would too. Like was said, keep me posted. I
remain...

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:26:46 -0800
From: "Corey Tretteen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives

I would be interested in at least one of them knives, maybe 2. =20

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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:01:54 -0600
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives

I have a whole trunk filled with original Wilsons and Green rivers ranging
in size from skinners to 14" bladed ones an larger.  There must be 50-75
wilsons and green rivers and a couple hundred that are of varying brand
names, all 19th century. I never thought they were worth that much. I still
find then occasionally in antique malls and auctions for $5-10 often.
Why wouldn't you just buy an original rather thatn $35 for a repro?There'd
be the benefit of not having to make it look old.

northwoods

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To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: January 31, 2000 9:19 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives


>Hello All,
>
>A good friend of mine who has too much spare time on his hands, is
>thinking of making some replica "I.Wilson" knives. (Of course I know it's
>really "J. Wilson", spare me)
>
>Before he starts he wants to know if there is any interest out there in
>obtaing one.
>Here are the details: he'll use 8" Russell butcher blades, taper the
>handle section so it appears hand forged, put on hickory handles with six
>pins and shaped as per originals, and lastly he's looked into having a
>stamp made with the orginal "I. Wilson" marking and correct cartouches.
>He figures the finished product with shipping should be $35.00 each.
>
>Before he has a $250.00 stamp made, he asked me to query you good folks
>to see if there's any interest.
>
>Of course we're not talking any attempt at forgery, just a correct
>looking replica.
>
>let me know if you're interested....
>
>
>"Teton" Todd D. Glover
>Poison River Party Pilgrim
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:19:25 -0500 (EST)
From: todd glover <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives

I don't recall ever having heard about your treasure chest full of knives
before. I would like to have an original. Do you have any pre 1840-Wilsons
with just the "I.Wilson" mark? According to Charley Hanson, if they have the
Sheffield, England stamp they are post fur trade era. Let me know what turns
up!

Thanks

Todd Glover

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To: [e-mail]
Sent: February 1, 2000 1:01:54 PM GMT
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives


I have a whole trunk filled with original Wilsons and Green rivers ranging
in size from skinners to 14" bladed ones an larger.  There must be 50-75
wilsons and green rivers and a couple hundred that are of varying brand
names, all 19th century. I never thought they were worth that much. I still
find then occasionally in antique malls and auctions for $5-10 often.
Why wouldn't you just buy an original rather thatn $35 for a repro?There'd
be the benefit of not having to make it look old.

northwoods

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From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: January 31, 2000 9:19 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives


>Hello All,
>
>A good friend of mine who has too much spare time on his hands, is
>thinking of making some replica "I.Wilson" knives. (Of course I know it's
>really "J. Wilson", spare me)
>
>Before he starts he wants to know if there is any interest out there in
>obtaing one.
>Here are the details: he'll use 8" Russell butcher blades, taper the
>handle section so it appears hand forged, put on hickory handles with six
>pins and shaped as per originals, and lastly he's looked into having a
>stamp made with the orginal "I. Wilson" marking and correct cartouches.
>He figures the finished product with shipping should be $35.00 each.
>
>Before he has a $250.00 stamp made, he asked me to query you good folks
>to see if there's any interest.
>
>Of course we're not talking any attempt at forgery, just a correct
>looking replica.
>
>let me know if you're interested....
>
>
>"Teton" Todd D. Glover
>Poison River Party Pilgrim
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:40:39 -0500
From: "CrookedHand" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What's in a Name?

I agree about letting it come ot you.. I first chose Roundball.. real
imaginative , huh?

then my Osage granmdmama died.. she passe the clan favor to me.. my tru name
is Wethlee-Enke' (pronounced Wur-ink-e')... translated it is Crooked Hand...

it came to me...
just my experience

Please visit my new & improved web pages:
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http://members.xoom.com/crookedhand/gallery.htm

Mark Toigo/Crooked Hand/Wethlee-Enke`

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> I think you don't go looking for a name, you let one come to you. You
> asked....
>
> Todd Glover
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Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 06:25:09 PST
From: "Kevin Pitman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives

If you are willin to give up a few, I 'd be more than interested to help
lighten your load. Let me know.

YMOS,
Kevin


>From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives
>Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:01:54 -0600
>
>I have a whole trunk filled with original Wilsons and Green rivers ranging
>in size from skinners to 14" bladed ones an larger.  There must be 50-75
>wilsons and green rivers and a couple hundred that are of varying brand
>names, all 19th century. I never thought they were worth that much. I still
>find then occasionally in antique malls and auctions for $5-10 often.
>Why wouldn't you just buy an original rather thatn $35 for a repro?There'd
>be the benefit of not having to make it look old.
>
>northwoods
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: January 31, 2000 9:19 PM
>Subject: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives
>
>
> >Hello All,
> >
> >A good friend of mine who has too much spare time on his hands, is
> >thinking of making some replica "I.Wilson" knives. (Of course I know it's
> >really "J. Wilson", spare me)
> >
> >Before he starts he wants to know if there is any interest out there in
> >obtaing one.
> >Here are the details: he'll use 8" Russell butcher blades, taper the
> >handle section so it appears hand forged, put on hickory handles with six
> >pins and shaped as per originals, and lastly he's looked into having a
> >stamp made with the orginal "I. Wilson" marking and correct cartouches.
> >He figures the finished product with shipping should be $35.00 each.
> >
> >Before he has a $250.00 stamp made, he asked me to query you good folks
> >to see if there's any interest.
> >
> >Of course we're not talking any attempt at forgery, just a correct
> >looking replica.
> >
> >let me know if you're interested....
> >
> >
> >"Teton" Todd D. Glover
> >Poison River Party Pilgrim
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:15:22 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives

I'll take one of the knives also.... Let me know where to send rthe money...

Ad Miller



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Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:49:14 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Waterproof Porous Cloth

Thanks John,  looks like a treasure!
Rick

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From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of John Kramer
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 2:26 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Waterproof Porous Cloth


Waterproof Porous Cloth

I have many recipes I won't publish.  The ingredients are too difficult to
come
by or too dangerous to be mentioning on a general interest list.

Modern alternatives to the old materials don't work the same way so the
results
are quite different than they originally were.  In most cases the results
with
modern materials are less satisfactory than those done wholly the
traditional
way.

I have finally encountered an old recipe, which should work for
waterproofing
cloth without the need to use litharge and other forms of lead.   I am
providing an edited version of the original for clarity and brevity.

The process works for both canvas and wool.  It is claimed to be impervious
to
water yet allows the passage of air.

Make 2 quarts weak glue.  (Hot hide glue thin as water.)
Add 1 ounce alum
Add 2 ounces lye soap (makes for softer cloth)

Apply (brush) hot to both sides of stretched cloth with the nap.  Or run
small
pieces of cloth through the solution made by the tubful and wring dry with
rollers.

First air-dry the treated cloth; then dry in a room at low heat allow the
cloth
to remain for a few days, be certain to expel all the moisture completely.
Sun
drying can speed the process.

John...

Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
john [e-mail]

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