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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:37:10 -0600
From: farseer <farseer@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Croatoan
Heavener Oklahoma. Seems wierd, but if you look at a map, it would be
possible to get to Heavener, by heading down the Mississippi, and then up
the Arkansas. Put you to within a days walk of where the stone is.
Fiction book called "The Runestone" by Dan Coldsmith that presensts some
plausible ideas how the Mandan got their blond hair and green eyes, and how
the stone got there. The author points out it IS fiction, and does not say
this is how things happened, but how they could have happened. Pretty good
read actually.
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> [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Anne MacDonnald
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 2:02 PM
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>
> Seems to me another theory involved a mass grave, but
> I am working on a long ago tv show...
> yeah it was on History's Mystery's and Nat'l Geo did a
> spread on it some years back.
>
> another mystery is how a stele covered in viking runes exists in
> kansas [or
> was it okla.?] found the website one night when I typed in Rune
> as a search
> word...
>
>
>
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> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:48 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: Croatoan
>
>
> > If you visit Jamestown, the historians there will tell you that
> it is not
> > known what is meant by CROATOAN, and where the settlers went is still a
> > mystery. There are several theories; none of them proven. However, the
> > most likely seems to be that some of the settlers were absorbed into the
> > indian tribes - this is based on fact that there were blue-eyed
> indians to
> > be found in the area. Someone mentioned that this would be most likely
> from
> > the vikings; maybe, maybe not, maybe some from both sources.
> >
> > Sally Bridgham at Wefarmasmidgen
> > in Beautiful Southwestern Wisconsin
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:14:31 -0800
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Guns of the fur trade
Hello the camp,
A friend has asked me the following question and I don't have the
answer.
"Does the AMM know or made a list of the type rifles, smoothbores, trade
guns, etc. carried and
used by the MM? Most prevalent type etc.? How much research into
firearms has AMM done?"
I took a look in the archives and found many references to rifles, guns
and fusils, etc. but didn't find any specific references that really
came close to answering the above question in any detail other that "so
may of rifles, so many NW guns, so many fusils, etc. Has anyone compiled
a report of what types and styles, etc. of guns were carried? Where can
I find that information. Thanks, I remain.....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:40:08 -0700
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Guns of the fur trade
Has anyone compiled
> a report of what types and styles, etc. of guns were carried? Where can
> I find that information. Thanks, I remain.....> YMOS> Capt. Lahti'
Good question Capt. Lahti', you may find that this is breaking new ground.
Signal fires appear rather limited around this campfire in the few days I
have begin to participate. Maybe a new table is called for. Badgerhole.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:37:48 -0600
From: "northwoods" <northwoods@ez-net.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Guns of the fur trade
If you want to see what learn more about the types of firearms carried by
the mountain men check out the book "The Plains Rifle". It probably covers
the information you are looking for better than any other work I have seen.
northwoods
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From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: January 19, 2000 11:13 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Guns of the fur trade
>Hello the camp,
>
>A friend has asked me the following question and I don't have the
>answer.
>
>"Does the AMM know or made a list of the type rifles, smoothbores, trade
>guns, etc. carried and
>used by the MM? Most prevalent type etc.? How much research into
>firearms has AMM done?"
>
>I took a look in the archives and found many references to rifles, guns
>and fusils, etc. but didn't find any specific references that really
>came close to answering the above question in any detail other that "so
>may of rifles, so many NW guns, so many fusils, etc. Has anyone compiled
>a report of what types and styles, etc. of guns were carried? Where can
>I find that information. Thanks, I remain.....
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
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Date: 20 Jan 2000 06:47:44 -0800
From: Buck Conner <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Guns of the fur trade
On Wed, 19 January 2000, R Lahti wrote:
>
> Hello the camp,
>
> A friend has asked me the following question and I don't have the
> answer.
>
> "Does the AMM know or made a list of the type rifles, smoothbores, trade
> guns, etc. carried and
> used by the MM? Most prevalent type etc.? How much research into
> firearms has AMM done?"
>
> I took a look in the archives and found many references to rifles, guns
> and fusils, etc. but didn't find any specific references that really
> came close to answering the above question in any detail other that "so
> may of rifles, so many NW guns, so many fusils, etc. Has anyone compiled
> a report of what types and styles, etc. of guns were carried? Where can
> I find that information. Thanks, I remain.....
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
Capt.,
Charley Hanson tried to put together a list years ago and found there where to many unknowns.
For example: the military gave you a musket when finishing your enlistment and many left for the mountains carrying that weapon, according to Charley the numbers are unknown - where the men went with their guns. But we see them in collections found in the Rockies, plain, tacked, broken or their parts used on other guns.
Same with the NW, trade gun and everything from fowlers to plains rifles, everytime Charley thought he had a handle on it, another thing would come up to change his count or his mind. I have a pre 1813 Sharpe trade gun, limited in manf. numbers from England - sold for the east coast only according to the historians (that's where mine came from), yet Charley found a chopped down one at an old ranch in NE, a family hand-me-down - now at the museum.
One's guess is as good as another's on what, type and numbers went to the trade.
Later
Buck Conner
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:01:05 -0800
From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Guns of the fur trade
There are numerous books out there - well written, serious stuff. Plus there
are many, many journal and diary entries from the period that provide a
wealth of information. One just has to be willing to do the ground work of
hunting for it. Start with the card or computer index at the local library.
Bill C
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From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 9:13 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Guns of the fur trade
>Hello the camp,
>
>A friend has asked me the following question and I don't have the
>answer.
>
>"Does the AMM know or made a list of the type rifles, smoothbores, trade
>guns, etc. carried and
>used by the MM? Most prevalent type etc.? How much research into
>firearms has AMM done?"
>
>I took a look in the archives and found many references to rifles, guns
>and fusils, etc. but didn't find any specific references that really
>came close to answering the above question in any detail other that "so
>may of rifles, so many NW guns, so many fusils, etc. Has anyone compiled
>a report of what types and styles, etc. of guns were carried? Where can
>I find that information. Thanks, I remain.....
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:59:01 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Guns of the fur trade
Re: Northwoods' post: on "The Plains Rifle"
"The Plains Rifle" by Charles E. Hanson
Gun Room Press
127 Raritan Ave
Highland Park, NJ
Excellent book, even for beginners. Has beautiful photographs.
Lots of details. Be sure to get a cup of coffee because Mr.
Hanson's style of writing is as if you and he are sitting at the
kitchen table drinking coffee while he shares his perspective
and knowledge.
Texan
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:37:48 -0600 "northwoods" <northwoods@ez-net.com>
writes:
> If you want to see what learn more about the types of firearms
> carried by
> the mountain men check out the book "The Plains Rifle". It probably
> covers
> the information you are looking for better than any other work I
> have seen.
>
> northwoods
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Date: January 19, 2000 11:13 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: Guns of the fur trade
>
>
> >Hello the camp,
> >
> >A friend has asked me the following question and I don't have the
> >answer.
> >
> >"Does the AMM know or made a list of the type rifles, smoothbores,
> trade
> >guns, etc. carried and
> >used by the MM? Most prevalent type etc.? How much research into
> >firearms has AMM done?"
> >
> >I took a look in the archives and found many references to rifles,
> guns
> >and fusils, etc. but didn't find any specific references that
> really
> >came close to answering the above question in any detail other that
> "so
> >may of rifles, so many NW guns, so many fusils, etc. Has anyone
> compiled
> >a report of what types and styles, etc. of guns were carried? Where
