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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 10:01:44 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: text search
Kevin Pitman wrote:
Can anyone give me some advice on where I
> might find a copy of Newman's "Ceasars of the Wilderness: Company of
> Adventurers."
Kevin,
You might try this gentelman. He is "the buckskinner's source" out west
for books.
Jim Hayden
88360 Charly Lane
Springfield, OR. 97478
541-746-1819
<jhbkpdlr@rio.com>
He will give it his best and may have it in stock. I remain...
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:07:18 -0700
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Richard (Beaver Dick) Leigh Trapper/Guide
At 11:31 PM 11/30/1999 EST, you wrote:
>
>Does anyone have any info on a trapper/guide named Richard "Beaver Dick"
>Leigh.
>He has a lake named after him near Yellowstone and he married a Shoshone
>Indian woman named Jenny, who also has a lake named for her. My grandmother
>always said that this couple was her grandparents or great-grandparents, but
>all information I can find says Jenny and their five children all died of
>pneumonia. He was married at Fort Hall, Idaho, Thanks Jamie
>
Beaver Dick lived primarily in the area now known as Rexburg, Idahol. There
is a park on the Henry's Fork of the Snake River west of Rexburg call Beaver
Dick park. He guided the Hayden expedition in Yellowstone park, and was
pretty "colorful". Leigh Lake and Jenny Lake in Jackson's Hole are named
for him and his Shoshoni wife, Jenny.
Contact me privately if you want for more stuff. I live near this area.
Allen Hall from Fort Hall country
Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country
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Date: 1 Dec 1999 11:26:17 -0800
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Trees
On Tue, 30 November 1999, JON MARINETTI wrote:
>
> Any half-brothers in the camp know if those trees enscribed by the Corps
> of Discovery are still there? Would be a mighty powerful period rush to
> be there on Nov.24, 2005. Maybe the spirits of Clark and others could
> get permission from God The Great Spirit Father to briefly visit from
> the Eternal Blue Sky Land. Maybe 24-48 hours without food and water by
> all 3-4 weeks before would cause this to happen? (at same time asking
> Great Spirit Father in the name of His Only Son to hear our loud heart
> cries to Him). Big Medicine?
>
I read in an old Nat. Geo. years ago that the 'CCC' boys cut many of the older trees around this old site, general cleanup for fire prevention back in the 30's. Possibly some of the marked trees went then. Another government project with no reference to history or future purpose.
I was at the ribbon cutting for Bent's Fort in 1972 (before the new fort was built). Our Governor at the time Dick Lamb he told several of us if it hadn't been for local farmers and some town folks protecting the 10-14 inch foundation walls, this fort's foot print would have been plowed under.
He also said that the local historical society had been after our elected officials to do something for over 40 years, that would be the time of the 'CCC' start up.
Some friends from Germany are amazed at how we as a country distroy or sell our heritage, guess they try to keep as much as possible of theirs.
Later,
Buck Conner
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 08:04:35 -0600
From: Farseer <farseer@swbell.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Shoes
Okay, I've read and seen a lot of references to moccasins for fur trade
recreation. Which type? I've made some puckered vamp mocs, like Miller
describes, but I've also seen folks wearing eastern center seams, and also
hard soled (rawhide it looked like) mocs. Assuming it's about 1820, and
I'm in St Joseph, or Robidaux if you prefer, What are the correct type of
mocs? References would be great, as well as advice. At this point, I'm
working on a second pair of pucker vamps out of buffalo for summer, and a
pair out of sheepskin with the wool on for winter wear. I'd love to find
a couple of square feet of hair on buffalo for the winter pair, but no luck
so far.
Todd
(who freely admits to being a greenhorn and still don't have a spiffy name)
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:00:12 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shoes
Farseer wrote:
>
> Okay, I've read and seen a lot of references to moccasins for fur trade
> recreation. Which type?
Farseer,
In the absence of noted scholars learned in this particular subject, I
feel a degree of bravery and shall sally forth. I think you're on the
right track with the puckered vamp moc's.
I've made some puckered vamp mocs, like Miller
> describes, but I've also seen folks wearing eastern center seams, and also
> hard soled (rawhide it looked like) mocs.
What you see pictured in Miller's paintings is probably more correctly
what was being worn. Conversely, the styles commonly seen at rendezvous
may or may not be historically correct.
Assuming it's about 1820, and
> I'm in St Joseph, or Robidaux if you prefer, What are the correct type of
> mocs? References would be great, as well as advice.
I can't give references but my opinion is that the Rocky Mt. Personage
of the time wore the type of moc he either knew how to make or the type
that he could get made for him by local manufacture. Considering that
many of the practitioners in the mountains were French or French/Indian
or even throw in a considerable number of eastern tribal members gone
west there is no doubt on my part that most any eastern/Great
Lakes/Canadian Shield style of moc was represented.
I think most mocs were probably of the style you have made. That seems
to be what is pictured by contemporary artists the most. It isn't any
harder to draw or paint any other type of moc but that is what they drew
and painted. That is why you see them. Simple center seams may have been
made because they are easy to make but they have inherent design limits
and the pucker toe/vamped moc lends it self to summer and winter designs
much more readily.
The side seam styles of the Columbia plateau indians were used too, but
I think probably by the whites most in contact with themand then only if
they were made by the local indian population. The hard sole plains
indian moc may have been made tand used but I suspect it was not as
commonly worn by whites as the pucker toe/vamp moc. Any of these styles
are appropriate in any case and one should not feel limited to one
style.
At this point, I'm
> working on a second pair of pucker vamps out of buffalo for summer, and a
> pair out of sheepskin with the wool on for winter wear. I'd love to find
> a couple of square feet of hair on buffalo for the winter pair, but no luck
> so far.
I have a pair of brain tanned winter mocs (pucker toe/vamps) that are
lined with blanket socks and wool socks as the mountaineer was recorded
as doing. They work fine on snowshoes and in cold weather. I too have
thought to make a pair of some sheep pelts I have but have never gotten
around to doing it. I'm not sure it is necessary and I do camp in very
cold weather. Anyway I hope this has been reassuring if not completely
helpful. These are my opinions and are worth what it cost you. Winter
well. I remain....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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