Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Skunked !!!!! Help Please!!!
The yellow spots sound like skunk. Their scent (skunk oil) is a deep yellow
color. I have removed several skunks from homes to out of banks, without
them spraying. Just lucky I guess. Contact me off list for help.
TrapRJoe
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:25:55 -0400
From: "Mill, Kirk" <millk@aydin.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Wrought Iron
Can anyone say for sure why 1964 was such a benchmark year? The last silver
money, the last good Winchesters, and the last of the best of a whole lot
more.
and the last good Stratocasters (I know some of you know what I am talking
about)
------------------------------
Date: 29 Sep 1999 10:06:42 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous)
> Buck wrote:
> You have enough room to feed 3-4 men along with "bannock' bread filler. Hope this answers your question, have Turtle's butt busy doing some work on new catalog.
> ________________________________
> R Lahti wrote:
> Buck,
>
> Thanks. That was what I was looking for. I guess I was curious as to how big or little a pot you felt comfortable carrying. I carry two pots made of copper that nest. Ones I made myself. Small one is about 4.5" by 4.5"
> and the big one is about 5.5" by 5.5".........
>
> ________________________________
Cap,
Do you have enough room to pack your edibles in your pots, that was one requirement I wanted when looking at the different sizes available from the number of sources.
This small pot will hold enough edibles, tea or coffee bean for a week camp for two, tie the lid on to keep from loosing contents and keep criters out. This one that I have now is starting to get some good miles on it from a number of trips testing equipage.
This is something everyone should consider doing; test your equipment - how many different uses can each items be used for.
Example a long handle (6-7") hand-forged spoon with a hook or loop on the handle end can be used for several camp duties, such as lifting hot items from a cooking fire, hangs to dry, long enough to reach the bottom in most cooking pots, have used hook to carry fish and other items that are slippery.
Another example is the cooking pot, it can have several uses like; cooking your meal, boiling your water, washing you and your camp items, washing your clothing, a fire bucket and a water container.
Alway select an item that can be used for several uses, less to care for or carry; our forefathers (most common folks that is) did not have the resources to own all the neat types of equipage we see available today, if it was even available.
With research we find some items advertised today are modern items or ideas that have been reproduced to look old and sold as correct, when they where not even invented yet for the advertsied time period. Look at the Rev War books available that show actual equipment from the period, lots of good information, many of these items we see today, only made of modern materials like stainless steel or plastic.
Later,
Buck Conner
AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:38:32 -0700
From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Wrought Iron
1964...Isn't that the year the Yankees traded Roger Maris?
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:51:09 -0700
From: Pat Quilter <pat_quilter@qscaudio.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: 1964 (Way Off Topic)
WARNING: this essay is way off topic, my only excuse being that we are
interested in history here, and many of us share a feeling of lost values
which we are trying to preserve, which were involved in the events described
below.
I never previously thought of 1964 as a watershed year, possibly since I
graduated high school that year, and assumed that succeeding changes were
more a matter of my expanding perspective than real-world events, but many
changes were underway which culminated in the "counterculture" of the late
60's. I remember the mid-sixties as the first era where "kids my age" were
making music for our own peer group (the Beach Boys, etc). At the same time,
icons of popular design such as automobiles had just achieved a certain
elegance and classic design which was gradually lost as the decade wore on.
The Fender Stratocaster reference below pertains to the "pre-CBS era" --
Leo Fender sold his pioneering electric guitar company to CBS for big bucks
after fighting years of chronic illness (only to find a cure shortly
thereafter!). This marked a change from a "hardware orientation" (how can we
make a better guitar at lower cost) to a "profit orientation" (how can we
make the same products cheaper and sell them for more). New "marketing
experts" tried to simulate progress by jazzing up the product appearance.
This trend culminated in the ill considered release of many bad new designs
which would never have been approved by Fender's admittedly autocratic
management style. This whole episode represented "corporate America"
destroying an art form by trying to milk it for money (and ironically losing
their shirts). Although I can't clearly link this to 1964, it was during
this period that many great American businesses seemed to be switching from
"engineering companies" which were driven by real world facts of materials,
tooling and production runs, to "professionally managed" companies operated
by graduates of big business colleges, who claimed that the product was
immaterial, and management technique was all. This was the age of
"diversification" and the theory that bigness would automatically mean
success.
Kennedy's assassination obviously poked a big hole in the feeling that
sleek, stylish American liberal governance was making the world a better
place. The mid-sixties would be the last period where we could unabashedly
look forward to a brighter tomorrow, with big comfortable cars gliding over
swift freeways to expansive suburban homes with lawns and color TV's. In
hindsight, it is possible to see that the seeds of destruction had already
been sown. Many villains can be identified, but the common thread was a move
away from voluntary free enterprise and a respect for real facts, and
towards solutions by government force and wishful thinking. These excesses
brought forth many over-reactions and mis-directed responses, the result of
which was a massive loss of faith in human reason and freedom. At the same
time, the culture of the fifties really did have many embedded
irrationalities and injustices, which provided fodder for the revolutions of
the sixties. some of which were long overdue. Many might debate this, but I
seriously doubt that the "buttoned down" culture of the fifties could have
spawned the bearded, buckskinned mountain men of the last several decades.
Many of us who lived through that period are now in a position to
maturely reflect on the wins and losses. I would not be where I am today
(technical head of a major professional audio company) had I not been
"liberated" by the heady feeling of new music, new art forms, and new
attitudes of the sixties. At the same time, there is much "recovery" from
the pitfalls of hedonism and mystical thinking. If there is any value to
this tract, it is to encourage some philosophical reflection and an attempt
to improve the values of enlightened self-preservation which we can pass
down to our descendants.
Respectfully submitted
Patrick Quilter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mill, Kirk [mailto:millk@aydin.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 9:26 AM
To: 'hist_text@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Wrought Iron
Can anyone say for sure why 1964 was such a benchmark year? The last silver
money, the last good Winchesters, and the last of the best of a whole lot
more.
and the last good Stratocasters (I know some of you know what I am talking
about)
------------------------------
Date: 29 Sep 1999 12:12:23 -0700
From: "Concho" <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: 1964 (Way Off Topic)
On Wed, 29 September 1999, Pat Quilter wrote:
>
> WARNING: this essay is way off topic, my only excuse being that we are
> interested in history here, and many of us share a feeling of lost values
> which we are trying to preserve, which were involved in the events described
> below.
> I never previously thought of 1964 as a watershed year, possibly since I..............................
WE MUST HAVE A SHORT MEMORY, JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO SOMEONE WAS YELLING ABOUT SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THIS LIST GETTING "OFF TOPIC" ABOUT GUN ISSUES AND OTHER ITEMS THAT DID NOT FIT THE FUR TRADE TIME FRAME OF LATE 1700'S TO MID 1800'S. TIGHTEN UP YOUR BELT, HERE WE GO AGAIN, SORRY DEAN.
> WE MUST HAVE A SHORT MEMORY, JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO SOMEONE WAS YELLING ABOUT SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THIS LIST GETTING "OFF TOPIC" ABOUT GUN ISSUES AND OTHER ITEMS THAT DID NOT FIT THE FUR TRADE TIME FRAME OF LATE 1700'S TO MID 1800'S. TIGHTEN UP YOUR BELT, HERE WE GO AGAIN, SORRY DEAN.
Have to agree with you Concho, Mr. Rudy - what can we say ! "Some people's kids"???
1964 ? wasn't that the year of the American Chicken symbol !!!
Take care - we leave as friends,
Lee "Turtle" Boyer
Historical Advisor - Parks & Rec.
State College, Pennsylvania
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:16:13 -0700
From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous)
John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
Longhunter
Mountainman
southwest Ohio
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Miles <deforge1@wesnet.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous)
> Gots one just like it, Small English trade kettle... Wouldn't trade it for
anything...
> And a fella can't drink 7 of 'em full of rum....Believe me..<G>
> D
> CAN`T CHUG MOONSHINE EITHER says Big John
<VBGGGG>
> Buck wrote:
>
> >
> > ____________________________
> > Hey Cap,
> >
> > I sold him the brass - tin linned pot made by GBW, so if it's OK I'll
answer your question.
> >
> > Bottom - 5" in dia.
> > Top - 5-3/4" w/a 1/4" rolled edge.
> > Depth - 3-1/2" bottom to top of rolled edge.
> > Iron hand forged bail, riveted ears for bail.
> > Weight - 20.4 oz.
> >
> > I use a tin cover w/a tab loop ring for removal, Turtle does not use a
lid, last time out with him he used a small flat rock. Being brass they seem
to heat at a fast rate and do hold the heat for a period (better than tin).
You have enough room to feed 3-4 men along with "bannock' bread filler.
Hope this answers your question, have Turtle's butt busy doing some work on
new catalog.
> >
> > Later,
> > Buck Conner
> >
> > AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
> > Aux Ailments de Pays!
> > _____________________________
> >
> > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net
>
> --
>
> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
> Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:00:58 -0700
From: Pat Quilter <pat_quilter@qscaudio.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Off Topic Apology
I thought we had agreed to sanction a certain amount of "chat" as long as it
was clearly identified as Off Topic. However, I will abide by the rules of
the list if this is still bothersome to some people. I'm not sure from the
two complaints if these represent Dean's stance, but his word as list
manager would be definitive.
Sorry for the deviation (and the extra bandwidth of this reply)
Pat Quilter
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:06:22 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous)
You tried to kill me you bastard....<GG> You gotta sleep sometime at 1812..
D
John Hunt wrote:
>
>
> CAN`T CHUG MOONSHINE EITHER says Big John
> <VBGGGG>
>
- --
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:24:20 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous)
Buck wrote:
> Cap,
>
> Do you have enough room to pack your edibles in your pots, that was one requirement I wanted when looking at the different sizes available from the number of sources.
Buck,
Well I thought I did. My biggest pot is as big as yours but deeper. MIne
is, as I said, about 5.5" by 5.5". I carry a smaller pot inside to cook
in. The larger pot makes water for drinking. Not big on carrying enough
water on my person for a week! Since we are at it I would be curious as
to what and how much food you carry for a weekend (3 and 2) or a week (7
and 5 ). I may be eating too good. <G> Well there is no doubt about
that. My food sack for a weekend is almost as small as my big pot but of
course won't go in because I am carrying the small one too. I am always
looking for new ways of getting the job done right so what say you? I
remain....
Couriously
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: 29 Sep 1999 17:38:42 -0700
From: turtle@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Off Topic Apology
On Wed, 29 September 1999, Pat Quilter wrote:
> I thought we had agreed to sanction a certain amount of "chat" as long as it was clearly identified as Off Topic....................
Hey Pat,
We where just kidding you after all the baloney that several others got doing the same as you, no need for an apology. You did as we all agreed to. Many of us are from that era, and know what and why it was brought up, thanks.
Take care - we leave as friends,
Lee "Turtle" Boyer
Historical Advisor - Parks & Rec.
State College, Pennsylvania
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Date: 29 Sep 1999 17:42:28 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Off Topic Apology
On Wed, 29 September 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 September 1999, Pat Quilter wrote:
> > I thought we had agreed to sanction a certain amount of "chat" as long as it was clearly identified as Off Topic....................
>
> Hey Pat,
>
> We where just kidding you after all the baloney that several others got doing the same as you, no need for an apology. You did as we all agreed.............
> Lee "Turtle" Boyer
Come on girls, lighten up dudes.
Later,
Buck Conner
AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
Aux Ailments de Pays!
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Date: 29 Sep 1999 18:12:42 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous)
> Buck,
>
> Well I thought I did. My biggest pot is as big as yours but deeper. MIne is, as I said, about 5.5" by 5.5". I carry a smaller pot inside to cook in. The larger pot makes water for drinking. Not big on carrying enough water on my person for a week! Since we are at it I would be curious as to what and how much food you carry for a weekend (3 and 2) or a week (7
> and 5 ). I may be eating too good...........I am always
fruit [dried apples or peaches](same measurement per person),
dried meat strips broken into 3" pieces (same measurement per person),
parched corn w/local nuts (same measurement per person),
tea (same measurement per person, lasts for 3-4 days) a little on the weak side last day.
_____________________________
This has worked for a 5 day outing, moving around camp, scouting, etc. but only lasts about 3 hard days of paddling (hard work will use up your supplies very fast).
_____________________________
With blue corn meal - sugar added, wild rice, split peas, barley, fruit, meat, blue parched corn and tea each person can eat until they satisfy the hunger pains, yet can add to his diet with foraged items also. We have found that we get along just fine with this and have brought some supplies back if the foraging was good. I know several that do with much less, but they are always playing camp dog too.
I have found that in the last few years food is the last thing I worry about, bad but true, I'm usually so happy to be on the ground and away from normal life, eating a meal is very low on my list. Would rather be scouting the area or just being with old friends in camp.
_____________________________
Hope this makes sense, answering this as the little woman is telling me I'm late for a meeting.
Later,
Buck Conner
AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
Aux Ailments de Pays!
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:14:22 -0600
From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: MtMan-List: Ice man dated (OT)
Radio carbon dating of his clothing has now dated the Canadian iceman,
Kwaday Dan Sinchi, as approximately 550 years old, roughly in the 1415-1445
A.D. range. This means he predates European contact on the west coast by
> On Wed, 29 September 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> >
> > On Wed, 29 September 1999, Pat Quilter wrote:
> > > I thought we had agreed to sanction a certain amount of "chat" as long as it was clearly identified as Off Topic....................
> >
> > Hey Pat,
> >
> > We where just kidding you after all the baloney that several others got doing the same as you, no need for an apology. You did as we all agreed.............
> > Lee "Turtle" Boyer
>
> Come on girls, lighten up dudes.
> Later,
> Buck Conner
No problem Pat, like Turtle said, only kidding and seeing how Buck was one of the folks that got yelled at, but anyone that calls a friend a girl should get all the carp anyone can give him, Sh... I guess I can say that here, look for a message off list Buck - girls my a....
"May the spirit be with you"
D.L."Concho" Smith
Livingston, MO.
Historical Coordinator - Missouri
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Date: 29 Sep 1999 18:30:22 -0700
From: "Concho" <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous)
On Wed, 29 September 1999, Buck wrote:
>
> > Buck,
> >
> > Well I thought I did. My biggest pot is as big as yours but deeper. MIne is, as I said, about 5.5" by 5.5". I carry a smaller pot inside to cook in. The larger pot makes water for drinking. Not big on carrying enough water on my person for a week! Since we are at it I would be curious as to what and how much food you carry for a weekend (3 and 2) or a week (7
> > and 5 ). I may be eating too good...........I am always
> fruit [dried apples or peaches](same measurement per person),
> dried meat strips broken into 3" pieces (same measurement per person),
> parched corn w/local nuts (same measurement per person),
> tea (same measurement per person, lasts for 3-4 days) a little on the weak side last day.
> _____________________________
>
> This has worked for a 5 day outing, moving around camp, scouting, etc. but only lasts about 3 hard days of paddling (hard work will use up your supplies very fast).
> _____________________________
>
> With blue corn meal - sugar added, wild rice, split peas, barley, fruit, meat, blue parched corn and tea each person can eat until they satisfy the hunger pains, yet can add to his diet with foraged items also. We have found that we get along just fine with this and have brought some supplies back if the foraging was good. I know several that do with much less, but they are always playing camp dog too.
>
> I have found that in the last few years food is the last thing I worry about, bad but true, I'm usually so happy to be on the ground and away from normal life, eating a meal is very low on my list. Would rather be scouting the area or just being with old friends in camp.
> Buck Conner
- ---------------------------
Capt. Lahti',
I think me and Turtle have been getting screwed on our rations, more like a 1/2 hand full when canoeing with him, "I don't care about food", hell he's eating an extra handfull of our food.
Next time Buck your in the front where we can see what's going on around the rations.
"May the spirit be with you"
D.L."Concho" Smith
Livingston, MO.
Historical Coordinator - Missouri
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:47:59 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous)
Concho wrote:
> Capt. Lahti',
> I think me and Turtle have been getting screwed on our rations, more like a 1/2 hand full when canoeing with him, "I don't care about food", hell he's eating an extra handfull of our food.
>
> Next time Buck your in the front where we can see what's going on around the rations.
>
> "May the spirit be with you"
Concho,
The "Spirit" will be with you if you guys don't start getting your fair
share! <G> I remain....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:30:57 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous)
> Cap,
> I usually figure a cupped hand-full of:
>
> corn meal (per person)mixed with Hanava sugar,
> wild rice (same measurement per person),
> barley-pearled (same measurement per person),
> split peas (same measurement per person),
> fruit [dried apples or peaches](same measurement per person),
> dried meat strips broken into 3" pieces (same measurement per person),
> parched corn w/local nuts (same measurement per person),
> tea (same measurement per person, lasts for 3-4 days) a little on the weak side last day.
> _____________________________
>
> This has worked for a 5 day outing, moving around camp, scouting, etc. but only lasts about 3 hard days of paddling (hard work will use up your supplies very fast).
> _____________________________
Buck,
That's a bit more varied a list of ingredients that I or my fellows
carry. Might we impose on you as to how you utilize those items in meals
over the course of a weekend or week's period of time, as in recipe's
and for which meals and how many meals, etc.? I remain....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:37:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
Subject: MtMan-List: On Copper Trade Pots
Yo Cap'n
Can you use the copper trade pots without tinning the insides? And if so,
> Can you use the copper trade pots without tinning the insides? And if so,
> what can they be used for?
Lee,
Not that I am aware. I thought the reason for tinning copper was to keep
bad tastes out and keep the chemicals/metals in the copper that can hurt
you from getting in your food. I think it is relatively safe to use them
for drinks and none acidic foods. Hope that helps. I remain....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:18:17 -0400
From: Sabella <sabella3@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous)
I think too it might depend on how large your hand it...mine is small...even I'd starve to death if I had to use that as a measure..
::smiles::
R Lahti wrote:
> > Cap,
> > I usually figure a cupped hand-full of:
> >
> > corn meal (per person)mixed with Hanava sugar,
> > wild rice (same measurement per person),
> > barley-pearled (same measurement per person),
> > split peas (same measurement per person),
> > fruit [dried apples or peaches](same measurement per person),
> > dried meat strips broken into 3" pieces (same measurement per person),
> > parched corn w/local nuts (same measurement per person),
> > tea (same measurement per person, lasts for 3-4 days) a little on the weak side last day.
> > _____________________________
> >
> > This has worked for a 5 day outing, moving around camp, scouting, etc. but only lasts about 3 hard days of paddling (hard work will use up your supplies very fast).
> > _____________________________
>
> Buck,
>
> That's a bit more varied a list of ingredients that I or my fellows
> carry. Might we impose on you as to how you utilize those items in meals
> over the course of a weekend or week's period of time, as in recipe's
> and for which meals and how many meals, etc.? I remain....
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
------------------------------
Date: 30 Sep 1999 04:34:17 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous)
On Wed, 29 September 1999, R Lahti wrote:
>
> Concho wrote:
>
> > Capt. Lahti',
> > I think me and Turtle have been getting screwed on our rations, more like a 1/2 hand full when canoeing with him, "I don't care about food", hell he's eating an extra handfull of our food.
> >
> > Next time Buck your in the front where we can see what's going on around the rations.
> >
> > "May the spirit be with you"
>
> Concho,
>
> The "Spirit" will be with you if you guys don't start getting your fair
> share! <G> I remain....
>
> Capt. Lahti'
Hey Cap.
Just a couple weenies.
Later,
Buck Conner
AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
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Date: 30 Sep 1999 04:38:27 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On Copper Trade Pots
On Wed, 29 September 1999, R Lahti wrote:
>
> Lee Newbill wrote:
> >
> > Yo Cap'n
> >
> > Can you use the copper trade pots without tinning the insides? And if so,
> > what can they be used for?
>
> Lee,
>
> Not that I am aware. I thought the reason for tinning copper was to keep
> bad tastes out and keep the chemicals/metals in the copper that can hurt
> you from getting in your food. I think it is relatively safe to use them
> for drinks and none acidic foods. Hope that helps. I remain....
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
Lee,
What the Cap. has stated is correct, this way you don't have to worry about acidic foods like tomatoes, etc. that will poison you.
Later,
Buck Conner
AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:00:52 -0500
From: James A Lindberg <jal@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On Copper Trade Pots
I use a copper pot for mixing foods (scrambling eggs) and soaking
beans. I'm still alive, but I guess it's only a been a couple of years.
My guess would be not to leave acidic foods in them for long periods and
you'll be ok. Remember, all things in moderation, including moderation.
Jim
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:29:25 -0700
From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On Copper Trade Pots
Lee,
Good question hoss. I have used a copper pot for 20 some years but it never has
made me sick or anything, and I've cooked everything available in it.
With this concern about copper maybe we should take a look at the waterlines
throughout our modern homes...why doesn't that kill us all dead?
There ought to be someone on this list who could tell us if it's the copper or
the stuff it gets soldered together with that makes the difference eh?
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:52:41 -0400
From: "Mill, Kirk" <millk@aydin.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: On Copper Trade Pots
With this concern about copper maybe we should take a look at the waterlines
throughout our modern homes...why doesn't that kill us all dead?
because you are only running water through it (nonacidic). Acids will leach
the bad stuff out of the copper. My understanding is that tomatoes
(acidic)were labelled as poisonous because if you ate them after cooking(in
a copper pot) you became ill. Later it was found that it was the copper pot
causing the problem. My 2 cents.
Kirk
Silverdale PA
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Date: 30 Sep 1999 08:47:56 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On Copper Trade Pots
On Thu, 30 September 1999, Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com wrote:
> Lee,
>
> Good question hoss. I have used a copper pot for 20 some years but it never has
> made me sick or anything, and I've cooked everything available in it.
>
> With this concern about copper maybe we should take a look at the waterlines
> throughout our modern homes...why doesn't that kill us all dead?
>
> There ought to be someone on this list who could tell us if it's the copper or
> the stuff it gets soldered together with that makes the difference eh?
____________________________________________
Rick,
From what the health dept. tells us its a combination of all of the above, and a few other things that will make us sick.
In older houses, you can find lead/iron/steel/and plastic piping carrying water, usually put together with odd lead/glues and unknown compounds. All this helps to add with the problem. One person at the Colorado Dept. of Health told me they have now found chemical makeup problems with some of the plastic pipe used in new housing, it's always something. The smarter we get about such things, the dumber we find we have been. The old statement "don't do you body functions in the same area as your eating functions", and several others along this line, where common sense to our forefathers.
That old well or spring didn't seem to have problems, same as that old copper or brass pot that your great grandmother used, as the tinned surface wore off, she would assign it differnt duties and use the new one for the acidic jobs.
I'm starting to think past generations just generalized a death or illness as a "heart attack" or "natural causes", not the different reasons seen today, made life with less tress anyway. Like this subject, you just didn't do this or do that, because it was bad for you, you didn't ask why or prove it like we do today.
Later,
Buck Conner
AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
Aux Ailments de Pays!
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:26:13 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On Copper Trade Pots
Mill, Kirk wrote:
Later it was found that it was the copper pot
> causing the problem. My 2 cents.
Kirk,
Your two cents are worth a million! Beat me to it.
IF you have a copper cup that is not tinned, I believe there is little
danger if any from drinking beverages out of it. Tomato juice might
cause a problem but how often does someone drink that at a rendezvous.
If you are going to cook in an untinned copper container just avoid
acidic foods. If you experience any bad taste at all just don't do it
any more. I believe that brass pots do not cause the same concern as a
cooking vessel but I would want my brass pot tinned just to be safe
until someone shows me it's ok. I remain........
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:14:32 -0500
From: Glenn Darilek <llsi@texas.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On Copper Trade Pots
> Mill, Kirk wrote:
> IF you have a copper cup that is not tinned, I believe there is little
> danger if any from drinking beverages out of it.
But check it for the blue/green corrosion, which I think is a baddy.
Anyway, I had two unlined copper mugs and used them for beer and on two
occasions got
headaches so severe I didn't want to move. I had no history of this and
I got
to checking and found some corrosion at the rivits used to hold the
handles on.
Enough of That! It may have been a coincidence, but I got rid of them.
No problem since.
Glenn Darilek
Iron Burner
llsi@texas.net
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