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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #379 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, September 28 1999 Volume 01 : Number 379 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Idaho Rendezvous/October -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes -áááááá MtMan-List: Mountain Man Teacher's Manual -áááááá MtMan-List: Mountain Man Information -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Food -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Food -áááááá MtMan-List: A Survey -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A Survey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:11:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Idaho Rendezvous/October On Sun, 26 Sep 1999, Laura Glise wrote: > Before I relocated from Atlanta to Washington this summer, I saw a post > regarding a Rendezvous scheduled for October -- somewhere Lewiston, > Idaho. Laura We had several N. Idaho events in Sept... actually, quite a few. But from here to spring I'm only aware of club specific events such as fall hunts, and winter camps, etc. The only thing scheduled for the Lewiston area (that I'm aware of), is a 9 Oct event called "Asotin Days" where my group will carve a dugout. I'll start posting more info on the region in February when I get back from the Couer D'Alene show. Don't miss the Enumclaw show! It's pretty neat. Unless someone knows something I don't.....? Wouldna be the first time <G> Regards Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders lnewbill@uidaho.edu http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:07:54 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes I hope what I said was that bossloper was probably a variation of an old = term, not necessarily that it was a completely new term. Lost Maine Boy = is better, one way or the other. =20 I have had the pleasure of reading a rough draft of Across the Seasons = and it is very good, very readable...an imaginative blend of history, = mysticism and time travel. What else could you want? I am proud of the = homework (two years of research, including multiple trips to Wyoming) = that Laura has put into the book. The attention to detail and the = endless homework shows, even in the rough draft. I was pleased to offer = some small assistance in completing the project and look forward to = seeing the book in print. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff, sme - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 5:09 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes > Laura, > Why not leave the term in? Sounds like a good fur trade expression = that is just not in use today. Give a note on a explanation, if you feel = the least bit uncomfortable with it. But to me, colorful words, = expressions and even attitudes can make what ever you are writing only = better. We have lost alot of the "old" ways of talking and writing. (And = maybe some of it is for the better.) If you worried that your > readers may misinterpret it, find a way to solve the dilemma. But use = it if you can. >=20 > Laura Glise wrote: >=20 > > 12:30 p.m. PST > > > > I'm glad we got on this discussion regarding food. It raises a = question concerning a term I lifted from the drudy list of definitions. = That word is "feastcakes" for pancakes. > > > > I use this term in my novel. Russell refers to pancakes as = "feastcakes." (I'm not saying that he made pancakes and turned them = with his hatchet mind you.) I know that terms in the dictionary can be = misleading. I had Russell refer to himself as a "bossloper," and Lanney = pointed out to me bossloper was a modern-day term referring to the fur = trade period. And suggested I refer to Osborne as a "lost Maine boy." > > > > See what I mean? Honest mistake on my part but a mistake = nonetheless. > > > > So, gentlemen, before Across the Seasons goes to print . . . should = feastcakes stay or go? Hey, I'm not going to have ya'll making = wisecracks behind my back for a term I could have corrected before it's = typeset. > > > > What would I do without all of you? > > > > Laura Glise > > Rochester, Washington > > > > = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- > > Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time. > > Get your FREE BellSouth Web Mail account today! > > http://webmail.bellsouth.net > > = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:58:17 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes There is an entry in Noah Webster's 1828 dictionary for pancakes: PAN'CAKE, n. A thin cake fried in a pan. Some folks think it will never be good times, till houses are tiled = with pancakes. Feastcake was not mentioned, but in the context described, it seems = certainly plausible. for what it's worth Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Laura Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 2:50 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Pancakes > 12:30 p.m. PST >=20 > I'm glad we got on this discussion regarding food. It raises a = question concerning a term I lifted from the drudy list of definitions. = That word is "feastcakes" for pancakes. >=20 > I use this term in my novel. Russell refers to pancakes as = "feastcakes." (I'm not saying that he made pancakes and turned them = with his hatchet mind you.) I know that terms in the dictionary can be = misleading. I had Russell refer to himself as a "bossloper," and Lanney = pointed out to me bossloper was a modern-day term referring to the fur = trade period. And suggested I refer to Osborne as a "lost Maine boy." >=20 > See what I mean? Honest mistake on my part but a mistake nonetheless. >=20 > So, gentlemen, before Across the Seasons goes to print . . . should = feastcakes stay or go? Hey, I'm not going to have ya'll making = wisecracks behind my back for a term I could have corrected before it's = typeset. =20 >=20 > What would I do without all of you? >=20 > Laura Glise > Rochester, Washington > =20 >=20 >=20 > = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- > Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time. > Get your FREE BellSouth Web Mail account today! > http://webmail.bellsouth.net > = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:08:13 -0500 From: "Texan" <texan@cowtown.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes Hi Lanney, How long have you had your 1828 dictionary? Did you homeschool? Many homeschoolers have one. It was given to me as a present in 1985. I use it often. Victoria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:16:39 -0500 From: "Texan" <texan@cowtown.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes Sorry folks. I thought I had e-mailed Lanney off line. Victoria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:41:23 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF0931.0B5C2960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a e-mail in to Gordon, to see if he is coming to our doins. I = doubt it but I thought I would ask. [ invite him again ] I haven't = heard back from him yet. Pendleton -----Original Message----- From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 7:04 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes =20 =20 =20 I hope what I said was that bossloper was probably a variation of an = old term, not necessarily that it was a completely new term. Lost Maine = Boy is better, one way or the other. =20 I have had the pleasure of reading a rough draft of Across the = Seasons and it is very good, very readable...an imaginative blend of = history, mysticism and time travel. What else could you want? I am = proud of the homework (two years of research, including multiple trips = to Wyoming) that Laura has put into the book. The attention to detail = and the endless homework shows, even in the rough draft. I was pleased = to offer some small assistance in completing the project and look = forward to seeing the book in print. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff, sme ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 5:09 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes =20 =20 > Laura, > Why not leave the term in? Sounds like a good fur trade = expression that is just not in use today. Give a note on a explanation, = if you feel the least bit uncomfortable with it. But to me, colorful = words, expressions and even attitudes can make what ever you are writing = only better. We have lost alot of the "old" ways of talking and writing. = (And maybe some of it is for the better.) If you worried that your > readers may misinterpret it, find a way to solve the dilemma. But = use it if you can. >=20 > Laura Glise wrote: >=20 > > 12:30 p.m. PST > > > > I'm glad we got on this discussion regarding food. It raises a = question concerning a term I lifted from the drudy list of definitions. = That word is "feastcakes" for pancakes. > > > > I use this term in my novel. Russell refers to pancakes as = "feastcakes." (I'm not saying that he made pancakes and turned them = with his hatchet mind you.) I know that terms in the dictionary can be = misleading. I had Russell refer to himself as a "bossloper," and Lanney = pointed out to me bossloper was a modern-day term referring to the fur = trade period. And suggested I refer to Osborne as a "lost Maine boy." > > > > See what I mean? Honest mistake on my part but a mistake = nonetheless. > > > > So, gentlemen, before Across the Seasons goes to print . . . = should feastcakes stay or go? Hey, I'm not going to have ya'll making = wisecracks behind my back for a term I could have corrected before it's = typeset. > > > > What would I do without all of you? > > > > Laura Glise > > Rochester, Washington > > > > = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- > > Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time. > > Get your FREE BellSouth Web Mail account today! > > http://webmail.bellsouth.net > > = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF0931.0B5C2960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#b8b8b8> <DIV>I have a e-mail in to Gordon, to see = if he is=20 coming to our doins. I doubt it but I thought I would ask. [ = invite=20 him again ] I haven't heard back from him yet.</DIV> <DIV>Pendleton</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <DIV>-----Original = Message----- From:=20 Ratcliff <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:rat@htcomp.net">rat@htcomp.net</A>> To: = <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>> Date:=20 Monday, September 27, 1999 7:04 PM Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:=20 Pancakes </DIV> I hope what I said was that = bossloper was=20 probably a variation of an old term, not necessarily that it was a=20 completely new term. Lost Maine Boy is better, one way or the=20 other. I have had the pleasure of reading a rough draft of = Across=20 the Seasons and it is very good, very readable...an imaginative = blend of=20 history, mysticism and time travel. What else could you = want? I=20 am proud of the homework (two years of research, including multiple = trips to=20 Wyoming) that Laura has put into the book. The attention to = detail and=20 the endless homework shows, even in the rough draft. I was = pleased to=20 offer some small assistance in completing the project and look = forward to=20 seeing the book in print. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff, sme ----- = Original=20 Message ----- From: Mike Moore <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:amm1616@earthlink.net">amm1616@earthlink.net</A>> To= :=20 <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>> Sent:=20 Monday, September 27, 1999 5:09 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:=20 Pancakes > Laura, > Why = not=20 leave the term in? Sounds like a good fur trade expression that is = just not=20 in use today. Give a note on a explanation, if you feel the least = bit=20 uncomfortable with it. But to me, colorful words, expressions and = even=20 attitudes can make what ever you are writing only better. We have = lost alot=20 of the "old" ways of talking and writing. (And maybe some = of it is=20 for the better.) If you worried that your > readers may = misinterpret=20 it, find a way to solve the dilemma. But use it if you can. > = >=20 Laura Glise wrote: > > > 12:30 p.m. PST > = > >=20 > I'm glad we got on this discussion regarding food. It = raises a=20 question concerning a term I lifted from the drudy list of=20 definitions. That word is "feastcakes" for = pancakes. >=20 > > > I use this term in my novel. Russell refers to = pancakes as=20 "feastcakes." (I'm not saying that he made pancakes = and=20 turned them with his hatchet mind you.) I know that terms in = the=20 dictionary can be misleading. I had Russell refer to himself = as a=20 "bossloper," and Lanney pointed out to me bossloper was a=20 modern-day term referring to the fur trade period. And = suggested I=20 refer to Osborne as a "lost Maine boy." > = > > >=20 See what I mean? Honest mistake on my part but a mistake=20 nonetheless. > > > > So, gentlemen, before Across = the=20 Seasons goes to print . . . should feastcakes stay or go? Hey, = I'm not=20 going to have ya'll making wisecracks behind my back for a term I = could have=20 corrected before it's typeset. > > > > What would = I do=20 without all of you? > > > > Laura Glise > = >=20 Rochester, Washington > > > >=20 = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- >=20 > Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time. > > Get your = FREE=20 BellSouth Web Mail account today! > > <A=20 = href=3D"http://webmail.bellsouth.net">http://webmail.bellsouth.net</A><BR= >>=20 >=20 = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- >=20 > > > </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF0931.0B5C2960-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:56:22 -0000 From: "Glenn Darilek" <llsi@texas.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Man Teacher's Manual Some pretty good stuff at: http://commerce.state.wy.us/cr/wsm/mount.htm Iron Burner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:05:25 -0000 From: "Glenn Darilek" <llsi@texas.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Man Information Also check out the following, which has lots of links to other good info. http://www.infoplease.com/ce5/CE035680.html Iron Burner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:37:18 -0400 From: "Mill, Kirk" <millk@aydin.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Food This got me to thinking about how the wood would be used to cook aboard a sailing or cargo ship of the period. There could be some interesting and unique problems hidden. Where was the wood stored and how was it kept dry. Wood takes up a lot of valuable space. Did they even cook on board these ships, or just eat hardtack and other cold prepared foods. I don't know the answer to your questions, but I do recall reading of having the cookfires doused prior to going into battle to prevent fires. Kirk Silverdale PA ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 1999 09:43:05 -0700 From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Food > but I do recall reading of having the cookfires doused prior to going into battle to prevent fires. > Kirk > I remember reading that Jon Paul Jones used his fires when boarding a ship in battle, to burn the sails and after gathering goods setting it on fire. Later, Buck Conner AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado Aux Ailments de Pays! _____________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:42:22 -0500 From: Matt Despain <sdespain@ou.edu> Subject: MtMan-List: A Survey - --------------82BE1EB82098D2FF92B0F7F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear discussion group. I am working on a dissertation on the image of the mountain man in American history and culture. One aspect I look at is the buckskinning/living history movement. To help my assessments of the movement and to see if there have been any changes in demographics, interests, etc. in the movement I am putting out this survey. I have talked with Dean Rudy and he gave me the green light to put it here. I would like as many who would be willing to respond to the survey. I will be posting it for a few weeks to give as many people the chance to pitch in. Sorry for its length. The best way I could do this was to send the survey in the body of the text and not as an attachment (attachments always bring problems don't you know). Thanks ahead of time to everyone that participates. Also, if everyone could send these to my e-mail sdespain@ou.edu then they won't inundate the discussion board. Here we go!! SEX(M/F): AGE: SINGLE (s) or MARRIED (m): MILITARY SERVICE (Y/N): ETHNIC ORIGIN (put and X by appropriate answer): WHITE BLACK HISPANIC ASIAN NATIVE AM. (also list tribe) EDUCATION (HIGHEST DEGREE ACHIEVED): (put an X by the appropriate answer) HIGH SCHOOL TRADE OR VO-TECH COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY OTHER OCCUPATION (LIST JOB TITLE): INCOME LEVEL: (put an X by appropriate answer) UNDER $20,000 20,000-35,000 50,000-100,000 ABOVE 100,000 POLITICAL AFFILIATION: DEM. (D), REP (R), IND (I): ARE YOU OR WERE YOU EVER INVOLVED IN SCOUTING?(Y/N): WHEN DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN MUZZLE LOADING? (YEAR): WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO MUZZLE LOADING AND/OR BUCKSKINNING? HUNTING, FRIEND, MEDIA (FILM, TV, ETC.), OTHER: HOW OFTEN DO YOU SHOOT? (Put an X after best answer) LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH ONCE A MONTH 2 OR MORE TIMES MONTHLY DO YOU HUNT WITH YOUR MUZZLE LOADER? (Y/ N): WHAT DO YOU HUNT? ARE MUZZLE LOADERS THE ONLY GUNS YOU OWN?( Y/ N): WHAT TYPE OF RIFLE DO YOU SHOOT? FLINT (F) PERCUSSION (P): WHAT STYLE OF RIFLE?(put an X by appropriate answer): HAWKEN/PLAINS LONGRIFLE TRADE GUN INLINE (I know their detestable, but I had to ask) DO YOU BELONG TO A MUZZLE LOADING ORGANIZATION? (Y/N) TYPE: LOCAL STATE NATIONAL WHAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR INTEREST IN MUZZLE LOADING/BUCKSKINNING? LIVING HISTORY PRIMITIVE CAMPING SERIOUS COMPETITION SHOOTING STRICTLY HUNTING RECREATIONAL SHOOTING (no primitive dress) DO YOU ATTEND RENDEZVOUS? (Y/N): HOW MANY PER YEAR? DO YOU DRESS THE PART AT RENDEZVOUS (Y/N): FOR WHAT STYLE DO YOU DRESS? (Put an X for appropriate answer): HIGH ROCKIES S.W./TAOS PLAINS/FRONTIER FRENCH COLONIAL OTHER (explain) DO YOU FEEL AUTHENTICITY IN DRESS AND ARMS IS IMPORTANT? (Y/ N/SOMEWHAT): MEN, AS A PART OF YOUR APPEARANCE, DO YOU MAINTAIN A BEARD? (Y/N): DO YOU INFUSE NATIVE AMERICAN IDEALS OR RELIGIOUS PRACTICES INTO YOUR ACTIVITIES (Y/N): DO YOU USE A CAMP NAME WHEN ATTENDING GATHERINGS? (Y/N): IF SO, WHAT ARE YOU CALLED?: DO YOU PORTRAY ANY TYPE OF ARTISAN CRAFT (TANNING, BLACKSMITHING, ETC.,)? (Y/N): SPECIFY: DO YOU FEEL THAT KNOWING CRAFTS IS ESSENTIAL TO PORTRAYING YOUR IMAGE. (Y/N): ARE YOU A TRADER? (Y/N): IS THIS A FAMILY AFFAIR FOR YOU OR DO YOU GO ABOUT IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL HOBBY? (F/I): DO YOU EVER GO OUT ALONE TO CAMP PRIMITIVE STYLE? (Y/N): HAVE YOU ALWAYS HELD A FASCINATION FOR THE FRONTIER? (Y/N): DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR ACTIVITY AS A RETREAT FROM THE PRESSING MODERN WORLD? (Y/N): Write anything else on your mind, I'll look at it all. Thanks, Matt DeSpain sdespain@ou.edu - --------------82BE1EB82098D2FF92B0F7F1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> Dear discussion group. I am working on a dissertation on the image of the mountain man in American history and culture. One aspect I look at is the buckskinning/living history movement. To help my assessments of the movement and to see if there have been any changes in demographics, interests, etc. in the movement I am putting out this survey. I have talked with Dean Rudy and he gave me the green light to put it here. I would like as many who would be willing to respond to the survey. I will be posting it for a few weeks to give as many people the chance to pitch in. Sorry for its length. The best way I could do this was to send the survey in the body of the text and not as an attachment (attachments always bring problems don't you know). Thanks ahead of time to everyone that participates. Also, if everyone could send these to my e-mail sdespain@ou.edu then they won't inundate the discussion board. Here we go!! SEX(M/F): AGE: SINGLE (s) or MARRIED (m): MILITARY SERVICE (Y/N): ETHNIC ORIGIN (put and X by appropriate answer): WHITE BLACK HISPANIC ASIAN NATIVE AM. (also list tribe) EDUCATION (HIGHEST DEGREE ACHIEVED): (put an X by the appropriate answer) HIGH SCHOOL TRADE OR VO-TECH COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY OTHER OCCUPATION (LIST JOB TITLE): INCOME LEVEL: (put an X by appropriate answer) UNDER $20,000 20,000-35,000 50,000-100,000 ABOVE 100,000 POLITICAL AFFILIATION: DEM. (D), REP (R), IND (I): ARE YOU OR WERE YOU EVER INVOLVED IN SCOUTING?(Y/N): WHEN DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN MUZZLE LOADING? (YEAR): WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO MUZZLE LOADING AND/OR BUCKSKINNING? HUNTING, FRIEND, MEDIA (FILM, TV, ETC.), OTHER: HOW OFTEN DO YOU SHOOT? (Put an X after best answer) LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH ONCE A MONTH 2 OR MORE TIMES MONTHLY DO YOU HUNT WITH YOUR MUZZLE LOADER? (Y/ N): WHAT DO YOU HUNT? ARE MUZZLE LOADERS THE ONLY GUNS YOU OWN?( Y/ N): WHAT TYPE OF RIFLE DO YOU SHOOT? FLINT (F) PERCUSSION (P): WHAT STYLE OF RIFLE?(put an X by appropriate answer): HAWKEN/PLAINS LONGRIFLE TRADE GUN INLINE (I know their detestable, but I had to ask) DO YOU BELONG TO A MUZZLE LOADING ORGANIZATION? (Y/N) TYPE: LOCAL STATE NATIONAL WHAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR INTEREST IN MUZZLE LOADING/BUCKSKINNING? LIVING HISTORY PRIMITIVE CAMPING SERIOUS COMPETITION SHOOTING STRICTLY HUNTING RECREATIONAL SHOOTING (no primitive dress) DO YOU ATTEND RENDEZVOUS? (Y/N): HOW MANY PER YEAR? DO YOU DRESS THE PART AT RENDEZVOUS (Y/N): FOR WHAT STYLE DO YOU DRESS? (Put an X for appropriate answer): HIGH ROCKIES S.W./TAOS PLAINS/FRONTIER FRENCH COLONIAL OTHER (explain) DO YOU FEEL AUTHENTICITY IN DRESS AND ARMS IS IMPORTANT? (Y/ N/SOMEWHAT): MEN, AS A PART OF YOUR APPEARANCE, DO YOU MAINTAIN A BEARD? (Y/N): DO YOU INFUSE NATIVE AMERICAN IDEALS OR RELIGIOUS PRACTICES INTO YOUR ACTIVITIES (Y/N): DO YOU USE A CAMP NAME WHEN ATTENDING GATHERINGS? (Y/N): IF SO, WHAT ARE YOU CALLED?: DO YOU PORTRAY ANY TYPE OF ARTISAN CRAFT (TANNING, BLACKSMITHING, ETC.,)? (Y/N): SPECIFY: DO YOU FEEL THAT KNOWING CRAFTS IS ESSENTIAL TO PORTRAYING YOUR IMAGE. (Y/N): ARE YOU A TRADER? (Y/N): IS THIS A FAMILY AFFAIR FOR YOU OR DO YOU GO ABOUT IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL HOBBY? (F/I): DO YOU EVER GO OUT ALONE TO CAMP PRIMITIVE STYLE? (Y/N): HAVE YOU ALWAYS HELD A FASCINATION FOR THE FRONTIER? (Y/N): DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR ACTIVITY AS A RETREAT FROM THE PRESSING MODERN WORLD? (Y/N): Write anything else on your mind, I'll look at it all. Thanks, Matt DeSpain sdespain@ou.edu</HTML> - --------------82BE1EB82098D2FF92B0F7F1-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:54:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Frank V. Rago" <ikon@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Survey At 12:42 PM 9/28/99 -0500, you wrote: >Dear discussion group. I am working on a dissertation on the image of >the mountain man in American history and culture. One aspect I look at >is the buckskinning/living history movement. To help my assessments of >the movement and to see if there have been any changes in demographics, >interests, etc. in the movement I am putting out this survey. I have >talked with Dean Rudy and he gave me the green light to put it here. I >would like as many who would be willing to respond to the survey. I >will be posting it for a few weeks to give as many people the chance to >pitch in. Sorry for its length. The best way I could do this was to >send the survey in the body of the text and not as an attachment >(attachments always bring problems don't you know). Thanks ahead of >time to everyone that participates. > >Also, if everyone could send these to my e-mail sdespain@ou.edu then >they won't inundate the discussion board. > >Here we go!! Here we go > >SEX(M/F): - Male >AGE: - 36 >SINGLE (s) or MARRIED (m): - Married >MILITARY SERVICE (Y/N): - Yes USMC >ETHNIC ORIGIN (put and X by appropriate answer): > WHITE - X > BLACK > HISPANIC > ASIAN > NATIVE AM. (also list tribe) >EDUCATION (HIGHEST DEGREE ACHIEVED): (put an X by the appropriate >answer) > HIGH SCHOOL > TRADE OR VO-TECH > COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY - X > OTHER >OCCUPATION (LIST JOB TITLE): - Small Business Owner >INCOME LEVEL: (put an X by appropriate answer) > UNDER $20,000 > 20,000-35,000 > 50,000-100,000 - X > ABOVE 100,000 >POLITICAL AFFILIATION: DEM. (D), REP (R), IND (I): - I >ARE YOU OR WERE YOU EVER INVOLVED IN SCOUTING?(Y/N): - Yes and presently teach boy and eagle scouts how to shoot primitive bows, throw knives and hawks at least three camporees a year. >WHEN DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN MUZZLE LOADING? (YEAR): - 1979 then again in 1997 >WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO MUZZLE LOADING AND/OR BUCKSKINNING? - My dream of backpacking into the Canadian wilderness primitive style. > HUNTING, FRIEND, MEDIA (FILM, TV, ETC.), OTHER: - Jerimiah Johnsot, The Mountain Men, The History Channel. Also Leon who is an old buckskinner from the 60's made me a bowie knife and gave me a throwing knife and hawk and told me to practice. >HOW OFTEN DO YOU SHOOT? (Put an X after best answer) > LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH > ONCE A MONTH - at a min. > 2 OR MORE TIMES MONTHLY >DO YOU HUNT WITH YOUR MUZZLE LOADER? (Y/ N): - Yes > WHAT DO YOU HUNT? - Deer, Turkey, Boar, Rabbits >ARE MUZZLE LOADERS THE ONLY GUNS YOU OWN?( Y/ N): - No I also own a one shotgun >WHAT TYPE OF RIFLE DO YOU SHOOT? FLINT (F) PERCUSSION (P): - Percussion for now >WHAT STYLE OF RIFLE?(put an X by appropriate answer): > HAWKEN/PLAINS - X > LONGRIFLE > TRADE GUN > INLINE (I know their detestable, but I had to ask) > >DO YOU BELONG TO A MUZZLE LOADING ORGANIZATION? (Y/N) - Yes > TYPE: LOCAL - Longbranch Buckskinners > STATE - GA > NATIONAL >WHAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR INTEREST IN MUZZLE LOADING/BUCKSKINNING? > LIVING HISTORY - X > PRIMITIVE CAMPING - X > SERIOUS COMPETITION SHOOTING > STRICTLY HUNTING > RECREATIONAL SHOOTING (no primitive dress) >DO YOU ATTEND RENDEZVOUS? (Y/N): - Yes > HOW MANY PER YEAR? - At least 5 >DO YOU DRESS THE PART AT RENDEZVOUS (Y/N): - Oh yes >FOR WHAT STYLE DO YOU DRESS? (Put an X for appropriate answer): > HIGH ROCKIES > S.W./TAOS > PLAINS/FRONTIER > FRENCH > COLONIAL > OTHER (explain) - Mix the longhunter with high rockies with indian accents >DO YOU FEEL AUTHENTICITY IN DRESS AND ARMS IS IMPORTANT? - Yes > (Y/ N/SOMEWHAT): >MEN, AS A PART OF YOUR APPEARANCE, DO YOU MAINTAIN A BEARD? > (Y/N): - Usually but just shaved off the beard, stach and pony tail after 2 years. >DO YOU INFUSE NATIVE AMERICAN IDEALS OR RELIGIOUS PRACTICES INTO > YOUR ACTIVITIES (Y/N): - Yes >DO YOU USE A CAMP NAME WHEN ATTENDING GATHERINGS? (Y/N): - No but they do call me all kinds of names . > IF SO, WHAT ARE YOU CALLED?: >DO YOU PORTRAY ANY TYPE OF ARTISAN CRAFT (TANNING, BLACKSMITHING, > ETC.,)? (Y/N): - Yes > SPECIFY: - primitive archery >DO YOU FEEL THAT KNOWING CRAFTS IS ESSENTIAL TO PORTRAYING YOUR > IMAGE. (Y/N): - Yes Definatly >ARE YOU A TRADER? (Y/N): - Yes >IS THIS A FAMILY AFFAIR FOR YOU OR DO YOU GO ABOUT IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL > HOBBY? (F/I): - Individual way of life >DO YOU EVER GO OUT ALONE TO CAMP PRIMITIVE STYLE? (Y/N): - No >HAVE YOU ALWAYS HELD A FASCINATION FOR THE FRONTIER? (Y/N): - Yes >DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR ACTIVITY AS A RETREAT FROM THE PRESSING > MODERN WORLD? (Y/N): - Yes and if it was up to me I would wear the breech cloth and buckskins all the time. > >Write anything else on your mind, I'll look at it all. I have been fascinated with the trapping era ever since I was a child. One of the best things I have done was to get into prim. archery which led me to buckskinning. I am a trader and make a variety of bows, knives, leather goods, possibles bags etc. all using authentic materials and goods that can not only be showcased but used. I will be doing this till the day I die. > > >Thanks, > >Matt DeSpain >sdespain@ou.edu ><HTML> >Dear discussion group. I am working on a dissertation on the image >of the mountain man in American history and culture. One aspect I >look at is the buckskinning/living history movement. To help my assessments >of the movement and to see if there have been any changes in demographics, >interests, etc. in the movement I am putting out this survey. I have >talked with Dean Rudy and he gave me the green light to put it here. >I would like as many who would be willing to respond to the survey. >I will be posting it for a few weeks to give as many people the chance >to pitch in. Sorry for its length. The best way I could do >this was to send the survey in the body of the text and not as an attachment >(attachments always bring problems don't you know). Thanks ahead >of time to everyone that participates. > >Also, if everyone could send these to my e-mail sdespain@ou.edu then >they won't inundate the discussion board. > >Here we go!! > >SEX(M/F): > AGE: > SINGLE (s) or MARRIED (m): > MILITARY SERVICE (Y/N): > ETHNIC ORIGIN (put and X by appropriate answer): > WHITE > BLACK > HISPANIC > ASIAN > NATIVE AM. (also list tribe) > EDUCATION (HIGHEST DEGREE ACHIEVED): (put an X by the appropriate answer) > HIGH SCHOOL > TRADE OR VO-TECH > COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY > OTHER > OCCUPATION (LIST JOB TITLE): > INCOME LEVEL: (put an X by appropriate answer) > UNDER $20,000 > 20,000-35,000 > 50,000-100,000 > ABOVE 100,000 > POLITICAL AFFILIATION: DEM. (D), REP (R), IND (I): > ARE YOU OR WERE YOU EVER INVOLVED IN SCOUTING?(Y/N): > WHEN DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN MUZZLE LOADING? (YEAR): > WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO MUZZLE LOADING AND/OR BUCKSKINNING? > HUNTING, FRIEND, MEDIA (FILM, TV, ETC.), OTHER: > HOW OFTEN DO YOU SHOOT? (Put an X after best answer) > LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH > ONCE A MONTH > 2 OR MORE TIMES MONTHLY > DO YOU HUNT WITH YOUR MUZZLE LOADER? (Y/ N): > WHAT DO YOU HUNT? > ARE MUZZLE LOADERS THE ONLY GUNS YOU OWN?( Y/ N): > WHAT TYPE OF RIFLE DO YOU SHOOT? FLINT (F) PERCUSSION (P): > WHAT STYLE OF RIFLE?(put an X by appropriate answer): > HAWKEN/PLAINS > LONGRIFLE > TRADE GUN > INLINE (I know their detestable, but I had to ask) > >DO YOU BELONG TO A MUZZLE LOADING ORGANIZATION? (Y/N) > TYPE: LOCAL > ; >STATE > ; >NATIONAL > WHAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR INTEREST IN MUZZLE LOADING/BUCKSKINNING? > LIVING HISTORY > PRIMITIVE CAMPING > SERIOUS COMPETITION SHOOTING > STRICTLY HUNTING > RECREATIONAL SHOOTING (no primitive dress) > DO YOU ATTEND RENDEZVOUS? (Y/N): > HOW MANY PER YEAR? > DO YOU DRESS THE PART AT RENDEZVOUS (Y/N): > FOR WHAT STYLE DO YOU DRESS? (Put an X for appropriate answer): > HIGH ROCKIES > S.W./TAOS > PLAINS/FRONTIER > FRENCH > COLONIAL > OTHER (explain) > DO YOU FEEL AUTHENTICITY IN DRESS AND ARMS IS IMPORTANT? > (Y/ N/SOMEWHAT): > MEN, AS A PART OF YOUR APPEARANCE, DO YOU MAINTAIN A BEARD? > (Y/N): > DO YOU INFUSE NATIVE AMERICAN IDEALS OR RELIGIOUS PRACTICES INTO > YOUR ACTIVITIES (Y/N): > DO YOU USE A CAMP NAME WHEN ATTENDING GATHERINGS? (Y/N): > IF SO, WHAT ARE YOU CALLED?: > DO YOU PORTRAY ANY TYPE OF ARTISAN CRAFT (TANNING, BLACKSMITHING, > ETC.,)? (Y/N): > SPECIFY: > DO YOU FEEL THAT KNOWING CRAFTS IS ESSENTIAL TO PORTRAYING YOUR > IMAGE. (Y/N): > ARE YOU A TRADER? (Y/N): > IS THIS A FAMILY AFFAIR FOR YOU OR DO YOU GO ABOUT IT AS AN >INDIVIDUAL > HOBBY? (F/I): > DO YOU EVER GO OUT ALONE TO CAMP PRIMITIVE STYLE? (Y/N): > HAVE YOU ALWAYS HELD A FASCINATION FOR THE FRONTIER? (Y/N): > DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR ACTIVITY AS A RETREAT FROM THE PRESSING > MODERN WORLD? (Y/N): > >Write anything else on your mind, I'll look at it all. > > >Thanks, > >Matt DeSpain > sdespain@ou.edu</HTML> > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #379 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.