Tom Nichols, in Porterville, CA, has been doing good work lately on rawhide
boxes. I can get his number if you can't find him in the roster.
Best regards
Pat Quilter
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From: Paul Jones [mailto:pwjones@excelonline.com]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:48 PM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......
Linda,
Am glad the storm spared you and yours.
Some years ago, probably early 80's, I acquired a large painted rawhide box
from you which I have used all of these years as storage for my rendezvous
clothes. The damn rats discovered it this summer in my warehouse, ate the
braintained bindings and made it otherwise look like Swiss cheese.
Literally.
Do you still make such items? If so would you advise me as to what is
available?
Regards,
Paul
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:08:53 -0700
From: randybublitz@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......
I have Tom's #, Hardtack
Your Second Amendment Rights protect ALL of your other Rights, Don't give
up your Rights
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:43:11 +0100
From: rick_williams@byu.edu
Subject: MtMan-List: RE: end of powderhorn
In looking at Rex Norman's 1837 sketchbook (the one from Miller's paintings)
most of the powderhornsappear to be buffalo horn. But what catches my eye
are two things. Most have a button that extends form the wooden base of the
horn to which the strap is secured. Now this button, is it an extension of
the wood turned end plug or is it a musket strap button as used on military
rifles to secure the carrying strap. I doubt it is a brass bushing with
threaded insert that allows us to fill our powder thru. While prevalent at
rendezvous (today's), I've not seen any type of buttons at the base of the
plugs other than an extension of the wood. The other thing I find
interesting is the similarity of the horns in many of the pictures.
Wouldthese have been provided by the company, or were most horns
manufactured at that time the same basic pattern ie buffalo horn with a base
plug that has a rim extending past the edge of the horn with a button
attached? Very different from powderhorns seen today at museums and through
ebay. Any of you that own old horns see similarities or did Miller paint
hte same horn over and over again perhaps from a horn he owned himself?
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Date: 21 Sep 1999 12:31:04 -0700
From: "Concho" <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon?
> On Sat, 18 September 1999, Ronald Schrotter wrote:
>
> I didn't know there were that many porkeaters involved with
> AMM! With all this talk of trail bacon, I am surprised noone
> has mentioned country ham.
Have to agree about all the talk about "trail bacon", only place you would run across it would be in the settlements, you boy's hanging around the forts or trading posts. No traders around or in these parts for months !
"May the spirit be with you"
D.L."Concho" Smith
Livingston, MO.
Historical Coordinator - Missouri
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:43:38 -0600
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: end of powderhorn
Rick,
while I could comment on it- why not call Rex? He works as the head of Ft
Laramie, in Wyoming. I know him and he is more than glad to help (in the winter
time he does have much more time). You can contact him at: 307 837-2221 or fax
307 837-2120. One thing youneed to know about Rex, he is a charactor! If you do
call, tell hm "hi" for me.
mike.
rick_williams@byu.edu wrote:
> In looking at Rex Norman's 1837 sketchbook (the one from Miller's paintings)
> most of the powderhornsappear to be buffalo horn. But what catches my eye
> are two things. Most have a button that extends form the wooden base of the
> horn to which the strap is secured. Now this button, is it an extension of
> the wood turned end plug or is it a musket strap button as used on military
> rifles to secure the carrying strap. I doubt it is a brass bushing with
> threaded insert that allows us to fill our powder thru. While prevalent at
> rendezvous (today's), I've not seen any type of buttons at the base of the
> plugs other than an extension of the wood. The other thing I find
> interesting is the similarity of the horns in many of the pictures.
> Wouldthese have been provided by the company, or were most horns
> manufactured at that time the same basic pattern ie buffalo horn with a base
> plug that has a rim extending past the edge of the horn with a button
> attached? Very different from powderhorns seen today at museums and through
> ebay. Any of you that own old horns see similarities or did Miller paint
> hte same horn over and over again perhaps from a horn he owned himself?
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:53:59 -0600
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon?
Guys,
I have found that saying never is a dangerous thing. And with the bacon subject,I have to disagree with it only being found in "civilization". Read Jacob Fowler's journal- page 73.
"this being a holaday with our nebours we lay by all day-Having about two punds of bacon which I Head kept as a Reseve I Heare Shewd it to the Indeans- the Cheef asked what kind of anemel maid the shape......"
This was Jan 1st 1822. Now he started out sept 6th 1821. So he kept the bacon in good shape till then. I never seen where he decribes how it was prepared, but I find withweek long trips I never had any problem with it.
mike.
Concho wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 September 1999, Ronald Schrotter wrote:
> >
> > I didn't know there were that many porkeaters involved with
> > AMM! With all this talk of trail bacon, I am surprised noone
> > has mentioned country ham.
>
> Have to agree about all the talk about "trail bacon", only place you would run across it would be in the settlements, you boy's hanging around the forts or trading posts. No traders around or in these parts for months !
>
> "May the spirit be with you"
> D.L."Concho" Smith
> Livingston, MO.
> Historical Coordinator - Missouri
> ___________________________________
> Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:41:09 -0400
From: Sabella <sabella3@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon?
hi all, new to the list but not buckskinning... 29 yr. veteran.
on this subject of bacon.
My BF's family came to florida in 1828. I have read the accounts and lists of victuals they carried... salt cured bacon, in large quantity is among what the menfolk brought. The account mentions that it is packed in
salt... I have been in situations where I have done the same with commercial salt cured, just added lots of salt and it kept for a week.. probably more if i had been able to keep from eating it.
anne.
while I have your attention, thank you for having this list...
finally contact...again... :>)
Mike Moore wrote:
> Guys,
> I have found that saying never is a dangerous thing. And with the bacon subject,I have to disagree with it only being found in "civilization". Read Jacob Fowler's journal- page 73.
>
> "this being a holaday with our nebours we lay by all day-Having about two punds of bacon which I Head kept as a Reseve I Heare Shewd it to the Indeans- the Cheef asked what kind of anemel maid the shape......"
>
> This was Jan 1st 1822. Now he started out sept 6th 1821. So he kept the bacon in good shape till then. I never seen where he decribes how it was prepared, but I find withweek long trips I never had any problem with it.
> mike.
>
> Concho wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 18 September 1999, Ronald Schrotter wrote:
> > >
> > > I didn't know there were that many porkeaters involved with
> > > AMM! With all this talk of trail bacon, I am surprised noone
> > > has mentioned country ham.
> >
> > Have to agree about all the talk about "trail bacon", only place you would run across it would be in the settlements, you boy's hanging around the forts or trading posts. No traders around or in these parts for months !
> >
> > "May the spirit be with you"
> > D.L."Concho" Smith
> > Livingston, MO.
> > Historical Coordinator - Missouri
> > ___________________________________
> > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:55:59 -0500
From: Jim Colburn <jc60714@navix.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Strange request....and offer
Washtahay-
am working on a research project dealing with ranges of various extinct
birds. I am seeking any and all references to the Carolina parakeet. In
order to do so, I am reviewing vast quantities of the fur trade literature.
If anyone has any references, I would appreciate a point.
While I am doing this, does anyone have anything they want me to watch for?
>Hun, you might try the Florida State Museum, on campus at the Univ of
>Florida. The
>have extensive bird research that I recall seeing years ago.
>Sabella
>
I have a friend (an amateur biologist) that was talking to me about these
birds just the other day. I'll ask him if he knows of anything that might
help you...
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Date: 22 Sep 1999 04:55:13 -0700
From: turtle@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon?
On Tue, 21 September 1999, Sabella wrote:
>
> hi all, new to the list but not buckskinning... 29 yr. veteran.
> on this subject of bacon.
>
> My BF's family came to florida in 1828. I have read the accounts and lists of victuals they carried... salt cured bacon, in large quantity is among what the menfolk brought.............
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I think what several are referring to is at events today, sure salted bacon was available in the 1700's etc. That's slab salted bacon (like small hams, chuncks of meat), and that's not what you are seeing as a large view that's showing up at period camps.
The regular sliced bacon is what is seen in most camps, only a few have slab bacon and fewer are heavy salted. When checking camps for correctness (contests, etc.), look in the trash at the plastic wraps from sliced bacon. If your going to do it right why not bring it into camp "right"???
Another thing is seeing many with regular eggs, must be a bunch of wild birds around laying "white" eggs. The turkey eggs we had on the farm where not white, they where light brown or tan in color, as are wild turkey eggs found when hunting (tan to a dirty mellow yellow).
Much of this is just common sense, do some reading. The more research you do on edibles the more items one will find, hell look at Clark & Sons Mercantile, Buck did the research and made a business out of it telling and supplying us with what is right, and for what area, and period. It's all research friends, research, research and more research.
Take care - we leave as friends,
Lee "Turtle" Boyer
Historical Advisor - Parks & Rec.
State College, Pennsylvania
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