>> >> Ok guys, let's get some serious discussion going. It's been dead on
>here
>> >> way too long. Ya'll don't want to wait till Dennis, Lanney, and I
have
>> to
>> >> start something. <G>
>> >> Pendleton
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Date: 27 Aug 1999 16:58:29 -0700
From: turtle@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brief Comments
On Fri, 27 August 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 26 August 1999, JON MARINETTI wrote:
> > excellent idea and ground breaking on the Jim Baker Party
> > web site. - one for Michigan region in the works??? -
> ________________________________________
> Jon,
> We would like to see in time as many of the AMM State or Territories, put web sites of their regions on the internet. I know that some may disagree, but who else would do such an undertaking.
>
> The value of this would be excellent research material for those in the area, plus give a list of people to contact with questions on subjects that pertain to the region. That was one of the thinkings when we started the Jim Baker Party site, not bragging or any of that baloney, just trying to give old and new folks some good information, isn't this what it's all about !
>
> As far as anyone's expertise, we all start from square one, and believe me we all make big time mistakes, whether its in doing the research, your mind-set, or equipage. In all the years I've been doing this I have made some classic blunders, and have had some damn neat garage sales unloading wrong equipage for my personal time frame.
>
> This sport no matter what we call it; trekking, living history, reenactments, buckskinning - whatever, is a learning experience that we can all learn from and share our thoughts about.
>
> These new web site's that are being worked on by some of the parties are the children of Dean Rudy's page (now I'm not calling him a Mother, I don't think). But the work on his pages are the master of buckingskinning/mountainman material. The Baker site and new ones coming up will be more area coverage for their regions. In NO way are we trying to change direction or do anything other than provide more information about the people that came, stayed, or passed through each region. Hope that's clear.
>
> One other thing that's neat, if your going to an event out of your area, what a neat resource to see who and when or what happened in the place being visited, or if moving to a new area - now you have contacts. This is a very valuable tool at everyone's finger tips, no matter whether your a researcher, history buff or just interested in an area.
>
> I can't say enough about "Powder-To-Burn" he has knocked himself out with this party project, plus has done a wonderful job for being new to the web builder title. Thanks Bill.
>
> I had better stop bending your ears and good luck on those web sites guys.
>
>
> Later,
> Buck Conner
Hey Buck,
Thanks for the clear position and reasoning you have told us and for such a project that you guys have taken on, we all can benefit from you and other's labor in these party web sites.
Thank you members of the Baker Party, Dean Rudy and others to come; without these resources, research would be very slow in these areas.
Take care - we leave as friends,
Lee Boyer
Historical Advisor - Parks & Rec.
State College, Pennsylvania
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Date: 27 Aug 1999 17:06:07 -0700
From: turtle@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clay pipes
> On Fri, 27 August 1999, Dennis Miles wrote:
> Hey all you "tobacco drinkers" If you smoke a clay pipe, I have the
> > place for you.
> > www.bytor.com/pipes/pipes.htm "Olde World Fine Clays", Stephen Bray's
> > place. I just received my new clay from him.. These are as different from
> > the "mass produced" clays that you see and buy as the difference between a
> > Gussler Gun and a "K-Mart special"
> > good...
> > Well, that was my plug of the day..<G>
> > D
Dennis,
Next time you talk to Buck, ask him about the originals he has from Bent's and Bridger. They're broken, but pretty close to being complete (small pieces missing and cracks), maybe he could scan them for us to see. I believe he was given them by Charley Hanson many years ago, use to have them on display in his store.
I tried to trade for one and that was like asking for his first born, not a pretty site. You know how close him and Charley where.
Take care - we leave as friends,
Lee Boyer
Historical Advisor - Parks & Rec.
State College, Pennsylvania
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:56:57 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clay pipes
Well, Buck??
D
turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 August 1999, Dennis Miles wrote:
> > Hey all you "tobacco drinkers" If you smoke a clay pipe, I have the
> > > place for you.
> > > www.bytor.com/pipes/pipes.htm "Olde World Fine Clays", Stephen Bray's
> > > place. I just received my new clay from him.. These are as different from
> > > the "mass produced" clays that you see and buy as the difference between a
> > > Gussler Gun and a "K-Mart special"
> > > good...
> > > Well, that was my plug of the day..<G>
> > > D
>
> Dennis,
> Next time you talk to Buck, ask him about the originals he has from Bent's and Bridger. They're broken, but pretty close to being complete (small pieces missing and cracks), maybe he could scan them for us to see. I believe he was given them by Charley Hanson many years ago, use to have them on display in his store.
> I tried to trade for one and that was like asking for his first born, not a pretty site. You know how close him and Charley where.
>
> Take care - we leave as friends,
> Lee Boyer
> Historical Advisor - Parks & Rec.
> State College, Pennsylvania
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:58:35 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clay pipes
I don't know if they sell new or not, I haven't seen any. I have a broken one
like that I found in the field near an 1812 site... Dunno...
D
larry pendleton wrote:
> Dennis,
> I have a old clay pipe that I picked up at a antique store. It is almost
> exactly like the ones you see today that use a reed stem, except it is salt
> glazed. I have never seen one like it for sale new. Do you have any ideas
> about how old it might be ? Or how new it might be ?
> Pendleton
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Miles <deforge1@wesnet.com>
> To: Revlist@onelist.com <Revlist@onelist.com>; hist_text@lists.xmission.com
The American Indian: the only surviving descendents of Ephraim and
Manasseh the sons of Joseph - son of Jacob [Israel] - son of Isaac - son
of Abraham.
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:56:10 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger's Hawken rifle
At 10:14 PM 8/26/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Sometime in the 1960's, an issue of Muzzle Blasts ran an article entitled,
>"Jim Bridger's Rifle". It featured photos and a detailed description of a
>Hawken rifle that had been carried by Jim Bridger. It seems to me that the
>article stated the rifle was on display somewhere in Montana. Does anyone
>know where this Hawken might be located? I no longer have the issue of MB
>nor even remember what was on the cover. Incidentally, this is NOT the
>Bridger rifle that is located in the Museum of the Mountain Man in
>Pinedale,WY. This is a typical, plain, iron mounted Hawken half-stock
>rifle.
>
>Munroe Crutchley
>Grants Pass, OR
>
The Bridger Hawken is at the state historical museum in Helena, MT. Some
folks on this list have a very "intimate" knowledge of that wonderful piece.
Check the list achives.
Allen Hall
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:40:15 EDT
From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clay pipes
Just FYI, we date the clay pipes by the size of the aperture (Apature?) of
the stem:)
It's a wonder the folks at Jamestown didn't keel over from smoke inhalation,
as their pipestem aperture was so large. When the tobacco tar built up, they
simply bit off the end of the stem, and continued smoking the pipe. Women
and children smoked as well as the men - tobacco was used to stave off
hunger, and also for indigestion (go figure!) You can still pick them up off
the ground in the Chesapeake - with teeth marks in them! :) Bet there are
plenty left from the Mountain Men as well !
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:42:25 EDT
From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clay pipes
PS - I have several pipe stems and a few bowls collected from the vicinity of
plantations in the Chesapeake...I didn't know they were worth anything, as
they are so ubiquitous!
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Date: 28 Aug 1999 07:30:33 -0700
From: "Concho" <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brief Comments
> > > On Thu, 26 August 1999, JON MARINETTI wrote:
> > > excellent idea and ground breaking on the Jim Baker Party
> > > web site. - one for Michigan region in the works??? -
> > One other thing that's neat, if your going to an event out of your area, what a neat resource to see who and when or what happened in the place being visited, or if moving to a new area - now you have contacts. This is a very valuable tool at everyone's finger tips, no matter whether your a researcher, history buff or just interested in an area.
> > Later,
> > Buck Conner
> Thank you members of the Baker Party, Dean Rudy and others to come; without these resources, research would be very slow in these areas.
> Take care - we leave as friends,
> Lee Boyer
This idea would work better than having everyone try and do something, wouldn't that be a mess going through that material.
In the past organized groups put together better projects than a half dozen doubling up on most subjects or events, whether is source material, a shoot, trek or an event.
"May the spirit be with you"
D.L. Smith
Livingston, MO.
Historical Coordinator - Missouri
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:00:53 -0400
From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clay pipes
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:26:00 -0700 "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
writes:
>Dennis,
> I have a old clay pipe that I picked up at a antique store. It is
>almost
>exactly like the ones you see today that use a reed stem, except it is
>salt
>glazed. I have never seen one like it for sale new. Do you have any
>ideas
>about how old it might be ? Or how new it might be ?
>Pendleton
ther usto be a guy in the early 70's at friendship that sold clay
pipes(ORIGINAL) he found a old boat on the ohio river that had sunk and
it was loaded with them and he wrote a book on his research---dont
remember the name of it but saw it and thumbed thru it at friendship one
year and also bought a couple of them---still have them in my treasure
trove of boxes somewhere---he quit selling them about 1980 when he sold
them out---but his book is still out there. I saw a copy in the library
in st louis once so it's still there---probably listed under research or
collectables---one of the st louis guys might be able to find it and
xerox the information---it dates clay pipes back to pre revolutionary war
up to late 1800 by the styles and markings and materials made from---was
