I have been adding new pages all morning, more of a shell of what is to come
thanks
bill
concho@uswestmail.net wrote:
> > > On Fri, 13 August 1999, Bill Klesinger wrote:
> > > > The Jim Baker Party web site is now open,,, check it out please reply to mailto: bill@klesinger.com
> > > >
> > > > http://klesinger.com/jbp/jbp.html
> > > >
> > > _____________________________________
> Wild Bill,
>
> What you have up so far really "shines", and what your members are capable of will just add to your site.
>
> Haven't seen many of the older ones for a period of time, Blanket Ass, The Capt., Pat or Buck. But know with the younger members and what I've been told by Buck, you got a good group.
>
> With writers like Pat, Mike, Stan and Buck - you'll have lots to share with everyone, good luck in a new venture for the Jim Baker Party.
>
> Oh, tell Buck to drag out some of the canoe trip pictures and Jim to get some of the horse pictures out - that would be interseting to just look and wish we had shared some of those trips.
>
> ___________________________________
> Take care, folks
>
> D.L."Concho"Smith + Washington, MO. +
> "One who favors the finer things in life"
> ___________________________________
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:17:58 EDT
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Black reenactor needed
We have a special need for a black reenactor who can portray Jean Baptiste
Pointe DuSable at our Illinois and Michigan Canal Rendezvous this year. The
dates are the weekend of Sept 11 and 12. A stipend is available.
Please have this individual contact me directly at: imcanal@aol.com
Thanks,
Dave Kanger
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:35:43 EDT
From: Mtnman1449@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jim Baker
Concho--
Thanks for the kind words on the web site, but it's only just taking shape.
At the rocky mtn college rondy this past weekend, we had a Jim Baker Party
meeting about the web site. A number of articles and info specific to the
"Colorado territory" fur trade will begin appearing. We're not at all
competing with Dean's site but being more specific to our geography. Some of
the information will show up soon, while others will take awhile to get
written, but we're excited about it. Thanks again.
Patrick Surrena
#1449
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:45:30 -0600
From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: MtMan-List: Chief Factor William Sinclair
I'm doing some research into the family tree of NWC wintering partner
Jean-Etienne Waden, and have run into a dead end. (Waden's not related, but
looking into his descendants has turned up some neat stuff.)
I'm looking for information on Chief Factor William Sinclair. He married
Mary McKay, the step-daughter of Dr. John McLoughlin, but aside from that I
know very little. Since it was quite possibly in Oregon during the Mountain
Man era, I though somebody on this list might be able to help. I'd
especially like to know when he married Mary, and anything about their
children (especially Catharine), but background about his career would also
be helpful. I'm also curious about his mother, and where he was born.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
agottfre@telusplanet.net
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:23:47 -0600
From: David Mullen <dmullen@jemez.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Catherine Sinclair/ Francis Ermatinger
Mrs. Gottfred,
It appears that Catherine Sinclair (apparently always called Kate)
married Francis Ermatinger. She was 26 years younger than Ermatinger and
had been educated at Fort Gary (Winnepeg). They met while Kate was
visiting her grandmother in Vancouver. The marriage was a private event
and was conducted on 10 August 1841 at the house of James Birnie by a
Protestant minister by the name of Frost.
"1841 August 12. On the 9th I was very unexpectedly called upon to go to
Fort George (Astoria) in order to administer the ordinance of Matrimony.
On the 10th Mr. Francis Ermatinger and Miss Catherine Sinclair were
married and after dinner of the same day they came down with us and
continued here (mission of the Clatsops, near Warrenton) until this
morning. Mr. Ermantinger is one of the Chief Traders of the Hudson's Bay
Company, and Miss Sinclair is a daughter of a gentleman of the same
service and a grand-daughter of John McLoughlin, Esqire. We had a very
nice visit with them and hope their union may prove a blessing to them
through life." (Oregon Historical Quaterly, XXXVI (1935), 338.)
The following June at Fort Vancouver a daughter by the name of Francis
Marie Ermatinger was born. She was an only child.
"B. 94 Francis Marie Ermatinger, June 18, 1843
Francis Marie Ermatinger, born the 3rd of the present month. Legitimate
daughter of Francis Ermatinger, Esq., Chief Trader of the Hon. H.B.Co.,
and Dame Catherine Sinclair, residents of Vancouver. Godfather, John
McLoughlin, Esq., Chief Factor Hon. H.B.Co., and Godmother, Madame Marie
Barclay. (signed) Maria Barclay, John McLoughlin, Francis Ermatinger,
David McLoughlin, Dugald McTavish, Forbes Barclay.
ANT. LANGLOIS, priest. " (Records of the St. James Church, Fort
Vancouver)
The above information was found in The Mountain Men and the Fur Trade of
the Far West, Volume VIII, pages 157-173.
I hope this information is of some assistance.
YMHOS,
David Mullen
- --
David & Evelyn Mullen
202 Mesa Verde
Jemez Springs, NM 87025
(505) 829-3212
email: dmullen@jemez.com
Angela Gottfred wrote:
>
> I'm doing some research into the family tree of NWC wintering partner
> Jean-Etienne Waden, and have run into a dead end. (Waden's not related, but
> looking into his descendants has turned up some neat stuff.)
>
> I'm looking for information on Chief Factor William Sinclair. He married
> Mary McKay, the step-daughter of Dr. John McLoughlin, but aside from that I
> know very little. Since it was quite possibly in Oregon during the Mountain
> Man era, I though somebody on this list might be able to help. I'd
> especially like to know when he married Mary, and anything about their
> children (especially Catharine), but background about his career would also
> be helpful. I'm also curious about his mother, and where he was born.
>
> Your humble & obedient servant,
> Angela Gottfred
> agottfre@telusplanet.net
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:03:44 -0500
From: Mike Rock <mikerock@mhtc.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: slightly off topic...print wanted
I am looking for a print called Trade from the Monongehela...Muzzle
Blasts printed it I think. Shows fellows shooting at a chunk in front
of a blacksmith shop. Had a copy and had it framed for 300 and gave it
as a prize in a chunk gun match I sponsered. Now I want one for ME. :)
Thanks all
Mike Rock
------------------------------
Date: 17 Aug 99 18:41:01 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: FWD: [Fwd: Fwd: Fw: Self Administered CPR If you are home alone
DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
- --------------------------------------
Date: 8/16/99 8:41 AM
From: Kristy Hoover
>>>
>>> CPR SELF ADMINISTERED
>>> You want to pass this on to your family and friends. I sincerely hope =
no
>>one
>>> encounters this situation in their life time but just in case.
>>>
>>> DO IT YOURSELF CPR
>>> Let's say it's 4:17 p.m. and you're driving home, (alone of course)
after
>>an
>>> unusually hard day on the job. Not only was the work load
>>extraordinarily
>>> heavy, you also had a disagreement with your boss, and no matter how
hard
>>you
>>> tried he just wouldn't see your side of the situation. You're really
>>upset
>>> and the more you think about it the more up tight you become.
>>>
>>> All of a sudden you start experiencing severe pain in your chest that
>>starts
>>> to radiate out into your arm and up into your jaw. You are only about
>>five
>>> miles from the hospital nearest your home, unfortunately you don't =
know
>>if
>>> you'll be able to make it that far.
>>>
>>> What can you do? You've been trained in CPR but the guy that taught =
the
>>> course neglected to tell you how to perform it on yourself.
>>>
>>> HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE
>>>
>>> (Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart attack, this
>>article
>>> seemed in order.) Without help the person whose heart stops beating
>>properly
>>> and who begins to feel Faint, has only about 10 seconds left before
>>losing
>>> consciousness. However, these victims can help themselves by coughing
>>> repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before
each
>>
>>> cough, and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing
sputum
>>
>>> from deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated =
about
>>every
>>> two seconds without let up until help arrives, or until the heart is
felt
>>to
>>> be beating normally again. Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs
and
>>
>>> coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. =
The
>>> squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm. =
In
>>this
>>> way, heart attack victims can get to a phone and, between breaths, =
call
>>for
>>> help.
>>>
>>> Tell as many other people as possible about this, it could save their
>>lives!
>>>
>>> From
>>> Health Cares, Rochester General Hospital via Chapter 240s newsletter
>>> AND THE BEAT GOES ON...
>>> (reprint from The Mended Hearts, Inc. publication, Heart Response)
>>>
>>> [Unable to display image]
>>>
>>
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: slightly off topic...print wanted
Mike Rock, I have a copy of this print. It is a little faded, I imagine,
from years of hanging. If you really want it I would be willing to trade
?. Contact me off line. PS I'm a reasonable guy. Hardtack
Your Second Amendment Rights protect ALL of your other Rights, Don't give
up your Rights
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:29:34 -0400
From: Tom Roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Flint Edge
Okay, it's time for my next pilgrim question. How does one restore the
keen edge of the gunflint? There are many sites
on knapping in general but they are aimed at creating points. I know
the principal is the same but the process seems much
finer for gunflints. The flints I have (English gray) appear cut at
first glance but upon close scrutiny are actually split as
evidenced by the slightly concave surface indicating a spall. They do
not seem to hold up well at all, offering only 20 or
so strikes before dull to the point of no sparks. My meager efforts so
far, although some edge is restored, result an a flint
that is jagged and way too short. When new, the fully seated flint is
within 1/16" of the frizzen face at half cock. Any advice besides
buying a pile of flints?
Tom
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:12:30 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint Edge
As with most things from Europe the quality is specious at best and often=
no
more than simple hyperbole. They've refined hornswaggling, what they sti=
ll
refer to as, Colonists (us) for more than 3 centuries now into a fine art
form. I've never been impressed with English black or French brown flint=
.=20
Mostly expensive.
I use rocks I find on the ground, I've had flints of jasper, chert, Texas=
grey
and other rocks last for hundreds of sparks without bothering to sharpen =
the
edge.
Making points is much more technical than flints to shoot with. If they=
need
sharpening block the touchhole, and strike the edge square on with a non-
sparking material like a piece of antler, a nifty brass hammer, or anothe=
r
rock; flaking off slivers to restore the edge. It is more technique than=
how
hard you hit.
Buy flints? Why? There are so many available for free just laying aroun=
d.=20
Broken arrowheads work well. Take your striker and find something that t=
hrows
hot spark then knap off a hunk or several about the right size for your
musket.
John...
At 10:29 PM 8/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Okay, it's time for my next pilgrim question.=A0 How does one restore th=
e
>keen edge of the gunflint?=A0=A0 There are many sites
>on knapping in general but they are aimed at creating points.=A0 I know
>the principal is the same but the process seems much
>finer for gunflints.=A0 The flints I have (English gray) appear cut at
>first glance but upon close scrutiny are actually split as
>evidenced by the slightly concave surface indicating a spall.=A0 They do
>not seem to hold up well at all, offering only 20 or
>so strikes before dull to the point of no sparks.=A0=A0 My meager effort=
s so
>far, although some edge is restored, result an a flint
>that is jagged and way too short.=A0 When new, the fully seated flint is
>within 1/16" of the frizzen face at half cock.=A0=A0 Any advice besides
>buying a pile of flints?
>
>Tom
>=20
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:06:42 -0700
From: "Munroe Crutchley" <munroe@rvi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint Edge
> Okay, it's time for my next pilgrim question. How does one restore the
> keen edge of the gunflint
I'm not a flinlock shooter, but I have seen people cock the hammer while
holding the frizzen tight against the flint; in other words, dragging the
flint backwards hard against the frizzen face. Doing this a few times seems
to break small chips off the top of the flint temporarily restoring a new
edge.
Munroe Crutchley
Grants Pass, OR
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:36:41 -0400
From: Bob Spencer <bspen@aye.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint Edge
>How does one restore the
>keen edge of the gunflint?
Tom, you might want to look at the FAQ "Tuning the Flintlock" on the MLML
Home Page, URL below. Down near the bottom of the article there is a
picture of a simple tool, made from a nail, which will do the sharpening
very easily and well. Instructions are there. I've used the tool a fair
bit, and would be glad to answer any questions you have about it or its use.
Bob
Bob Spencer <bspen@aye.net>
Louisville, KY
http://members.aye.net/~bspen/index.html
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:42:55 -0500
From: James A Lindberg <jal@sgi.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Snake stick game
Some one on a scout group asked how to play the snake stick game, where
there are 5 sticks. I figured someone here would know the rules and
scoring.
Thanks,
Jim
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:46:10 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snake stick game
James A Lindberg wrote:
> Some one on a scout group asked how to play the snake stick game, where
> there are 5 sticks. I figured someone here would know the rules and
> scoring.
Jim,
I have a set of "sticks" made of small flat pieces of bone about four
fingers wide and the width and thickness of a popsicle stick. This is what
is in "Feminine Furtrade Fashions" by K. Wilson and J. Hanson. Wish my
scanner was working!
First two sticks.......the snake or zigzag (two per set; have blank
reverses and a zigzag pattern the length of the face side.
Second stick......Chief or "man" - also has four grooves in back. Face side
is a string of closely spaced black dots (like dice have) running the
length of the stick on the face side with two closely spaced parallel lines
of dots running across the width of the face at the mid point (the
lengthwise dots run up to these two lines of cross wise dots but not across
them.).
Third stick.........the "four"- has a blank reverse. The face has five sets
of four slashes made across the stick (one at each end of the stick, one in
the middle and one set between each end set and the middle set, for a total
of five sets) There is a black dot centered between each set of slash marks
for a total of four dots.
Called the Stave Game: Popular among Northern Plains tribes, there are four
bone or wood dice; 2 'snakes', 1 'chief', and 1 'four'. The player throws
the dice, held vertically, ahead on a blanket. A game is 12 points. Rules
the same as for dice. Scoring is as follows: 3 blank and 1 chief= 6 points;
3 blank and chiefs back= 3 points; 2 snakes, 1 chief, and 1 four= 2 points;
2 blank, 1 four, and chiefs back= 1 point; all other combinations = 0
points. A long but fun game. When no points are scored the next player
tosses. There was no reference as to who got to go first but I would think
you would make one free toss each and whomever throws the most points with
that toss starts off first for the actual game.
I don't know of any other game like this that uses 5 sticks so I can only
assume this is the one you were referring to. Hope this helps. I
remain......
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:13:55 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snake stick game
James A Lindberg wrote:
> Some one on a scout group asked how to play the snake stick game, where
> there are 5 sticks. I figured someone here would know the rules and
> scoring.
Jim,
I just thought of another game that I am sure the scouts would like as much
as the Stave game or stick game. It is a mountain man game that we may have
invented in this modern era. The "Hairy Lizards" and the NW Brigade AMM
used to play it a lot but I think we may have matured some since then.
The "Snort Game"....... Have each player carve a small plug of his or
(unlikely it will happen) her own design that will fit up one nostril. I
favor a plug that is fairly tight in the "bore" and about 1/2 inch long.
Two players set cross legged opposite each other with (preferably) a wide
brimmed hat turned upside down between them. Each player in turn puts their
plug in a preferred nostril and with an index finger plugging the opposite
nostril, "snorts" their plug into the crown of the hat. If both players
score a hit, they continue to play but must move back an even amount of
distance. The length is not critical but about a foot to 18" at a time
seems to work and soon separates the men from the boys, so to speak. Upon a
miss by either player, that player gets up and surrenders his/her position
to a challenger. Bets may be made by players or bystanders on each "short
of the plug". The game can also be played while both players are standing
and they may start sitting or standing by mutual agreement but it is more
fun to be sitting on the ground unless it is early spring or early winter
when the ground is wet.
You will find that you may need to make a new snort plug for each outing
since they tend to dry out and loose size which tends to make for a loose
fit in the bore which of course makes for a loss of accuracy. I also don't
think Dutch Shoultz' accuracy system as made famous on the MLML list will
work with this game. I also think it helps to train for this game ahead of
time by using the snorting method to expel nasal mucus which builds strong
lungs and more importantly, muscle control. Using a larger and larger digit
to cleans your nostril will help prepare it for heavier plugs and seems to
straighten out the passages for better accuracy. Though the scouts would
not be able to partake, a good game strategy would include the consumption
of just the right amount of "Spiritous Liquors". The amount consumed being
the tricky part. One must gage the optimum quantity and I firmly believe
too, that type of "Spirits" is important. I have had good results with
"Capt. Morgans Spiced Rum" but others have good results with other
concoctions. I don't know if one would get any benefit from consuming large
quantities of things like "Gator Aid" or "Kool Aid" but if you have a runny
sinus infection, I believe you have an edge on the competition.I personally
have to stay away from foods of the "pepper family" prior to a game since
they make me plug up with a dry congestion resulting in my need to breath
through my mouth.. I would try to use the other persons hat though. Well,
I would try to use their hat in any case, truth be known.
I hope this has been of additional help to you in your task of keeping
adolescents entertained in a relatively none destructive way. I would
caution you to advise your kids to not take the knowledge of this game home
with them if they wish to ever be allowed back. I remain.....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:15:51 EDT
From: RR1LA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT Self Administered CPR If you are home alone
not to be contrary, but I was just this morning reading a report that this
may be more incorrect information traveling the internet... here's the scoop
according to Dr. Mara McErlean, Professor of Emergency Medicine, Albany
Medical College, reporting on preliminary results of a study by the AMA....
There is currently NO KNOWN BENEFIT from attempting 'COUGH CPR" and it may
actually cause more heart damage. According to the AMA, THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING YOU CAN DO IF ALONE IS TAKE AN ASPIRIN while you are waiting for
trained help; they recommend that anybody at risk for heart attack or stroke
always carry an aspirin with them... (taken from Bottom Line Personal
9/1/99) Barn
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:01:24 -0700
From: "Vince Stevens" <ephrem@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: on the road again
Tony,
If you have the time stop by the new Lewis & Clark Interpretive Center in Great Falls, MT. It's worth the $5 admission fee just to see the movie they show about the expedition. Giant Springs (the spring described by Lewis(?)) is just a short distance down the road. The waters are running a little low this time of year, but the the falls and the reason for the month long portage are still pretty impressive.
Vince
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:55:10 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint Edge
Tom,
Both John and Bob are right, sorta, If you live in the right part of the
country it is real easy to find flints or rocks that will work just fine as
gun flints. Unfortunately I don't. Rocks that will throw a spark are real
scarce in northeast Texas. You can go 100 to 150 mi. in any direction and
find plenty. I buy mine usually from Track of The Wolf, and no, I don't own
part of the outfit. I just seem to get better quality from them. By that I
mean when I order x number dozen flints, I get more good useable flints and
less culls. Another option is to buy them at a rendezvous where you can
pick and choose and get nothing but the primo flints that you really like.
I prefer the black English flints. It sounds like the ones you have are the
sawed flints. Even though there is a concave side to them, the way you
describe them as being gray and looking like they were sawed, I'll bet they
are sawed flints, or maybe the ones that are partially sawed. I have never
had any luck at all with those things. John is right, if you are in the
right area you can pickup better flints off the ground than you can buy. I
have a friend who goes to west Texas regularly, and he always brings back a
pocket full of chert. He can get 50 to a 100 shots easy off of a piece of
it. The method of knapping a gun flint that Bob is speaking of works really
well for a beginner. A common mistake is to strike the flint at the wrong
angle and to hit it too hard, thus chipping off more of the edge than is
necessary, but if you use a tool like he is speaking of, it eliminates the
problem. You will also end up with a more uniform edge. Another thing to
consider is the fact that some locks just eat flints. It has to do with the
geometry of the lock. You might want to get a gunsmith or a old hand with
flintlocks to take at your lock. There might be something that could be
done to it inexpensively that would help.
Keep them sparks a flyin !
BE SAFE HAVE FUN
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint Edge
As with most things from Europe the quality is specious at best and often no
more than simple hyperbole. They've refined hornswaggling, what they still
refer to as, Colonists (us) for more than 3 centuries now into a fine art
form. I've never been impressed with English black or French brown flint.
Mostly expensive.
I use rocks I find on the ground, I've had flints of jasper, chert, Texas
grey
and other rocks last for hundreds of sparks without bothering to sharpen the
edge.
Making points is much more technical than flints to shoot with. If they
need
sharpening block the touchhole, and strike the edge square on with a non-
sparking material like a piece of antler, a nifty brass hammer, or another
rock; flaking off slivers to restore the edge. It is more technique than
how
hard you hit.
Buy flints? Why? There are so many available for free just laying around.
Broken arrowheads work well. Take your striker and find something that
throws
hot spark then knap off a hunk or several about the right size for your
musket.
John...
At 10:29 PM 8/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Okay, it's time for my next pilgrim question. How does one restore the
>keen edge of the gunflint? There are many sites
>on knapping in general but they are aimed at creating points. I know
>the principal is the same but the process seems much
>finer for gunflints. The flints I have (English gray) appear cut at
>first glance but upon close scrutiny are actually split as
>evidenced by the slightly concave surface indicating a spall. They do
>not seem to hold up well at all, offering only 20 or
>so strikes before dull to the point of no sparks. My meager efforts so
>far, although some edge is restored, result an a flint
>that is jagged and way too short. When new, the fully seated flint is
>within 1/16" of the frizzen face at half cock. Any advice besides
>buying a pile of flints?
>
>Tom
>
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:57:00 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <J2Hearts@shasta.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snake stick game
Capt. L.
Tell em about the game involving the dropping of a coin into a
hat.....say..... from about waist high!!!!!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 3:13 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snake stick game
>
>
> James A Lindberg wrote:
>
> > Some one on a scout group asked how to play the snake stick game, where
> > there are 5 sticks. I figured someone here would know the rules and
> > scoring.
>
> Jim,
>
> I just thought of another game that I am sure the scouts would like as
much
> as the Stave game or stick game. It is a mountain man game that we may
have
> invented in this modern era. The "Hairy Lizards" and the NW Brigade AMM
> used to play it a lot but I think we may have matured some since then.
>
> The "Snort Game"....... Have each player carve a small plug of his or
> (unlikely it will happen) her own design that will fit up one nostril. I
> favor a plug that is fairly tight in the "bore" and about 1/2 inch long.
>
> Two players set cross legged opposite each other with (preferably) a wide
> brimmed hat turned upside down between them. Each player in turn puts
their
> plug in a preferred nostril and with an index finger plugging the opposite
> nostril, "snorts" their plug into the crown of the hat. If both players
> score a hit, they continue to play but must move back an even amount of
> distance. The length is not critical but about a foot to 18" at a time
> seems to work and soon separates the men from the boys, so to speak. Upon
a
> miss by either player, that player gets up and surrenders his/her position
> to a challenger. Bets may be made by players or bystanders on each "short
> of the plug". The game can also be played while both players are standing
> and they may start sitting or standing by mutual agreement but it is more
> fun to be sitting on the ground unless it is early spring or early winter
> when the ground is wet.
>
> You will find that you may need to make a new snort plug for each outing
> since they tend to dry out and loose size which tends to make for a loose
> fit in the bore which of course makes for a loss of accuracy. I also don't
> think Dutch Shoultz' accuracy system as made famous on the MLML list will
> work with this game. I also think it helps to train for this game ahead of
> time by using the snorting method to expel nasal mucus which builds strong
> lungs and more importantly, muscle control. Using a larger and larger
digit
> to cleans your nostril will help prepare it for heavier plugs and seems to
> straighten out the passages for better accuracy. Though the scouts would
> not be able to partake, a good game strategy would include the consumption
> of just the right amount of "Spiritous Liquors". The amount consumed being
> the tricky part. One must gage the optimum quantity and I firmly believe
> too, that type of "Spirits" is important. I have had good results with
> "Capt. Morgans Spiced Rum" but others have good results with other
> concoctions. I don't know if one would get any benefit from consuming
large
> quantities of things like "Gator Aid" or "Kool Aid" but if you have a
runny
> sinus infection, I believe you have an edge on the competition.I
personally
> have to stay away from foods of the "pepper family" prior to a game since
> they make me plug up with a dry congestion resulting in my need to breath
> through my mouth.. I would try to use the other persons hat though. Well,
> I would try to use their hat in any case, truth be known.
>
> I hope this has been of additional help to you in your task of keeping
> adolescents entertained in a relatively none destructive way. I would
> caution you to advise your kids to not take the knowledge of this game
home
> with them if they wish to ever be allowed back. I remain.....
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:13:20 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snake stick game
John C. Funk, Jr. wrote:
> Capt. L.
> Tell em about the game involving the dropping of a coin into a
> hat.....say..... from about waist high!!!!!
John,
There is no such game! I have never played it nor have I ever seen anyone play
it and any one who says I did was lying! A note of caution, let the penny lay
where it falls! And I assume it is dropped from somewhat less than waist high
but I am only guessing of course. And furthermore it wasn't a penny! We were all
drunk at the time! I remain.......
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:11:44 -0400
From: Tom Roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint Edge
Thanks to all for the flint help. Unfortunately, where I live the closest thing
to flints lying about is grains of sand. Maybe someday I'll be fortunate to
live and shoot where flints grow wild. In the mean time, I'll try some
different types and continue to experiment with the knapping process. I do have
some obsidian chunks I gathered in Idaho - anyone ever try that in a
flintlock? BTW, great lead on the MLML page!
Tom
larry pendleton wrote:
> Tom,
> Both John and Bob are right, sorta, If you live in the right part of the
> country......
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:06:00 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint Edge
Yep, obsidian can work though they don't hold well with a long taper edge=
,
broken shards of glass can also be made to work. I have found flint in s=
o
many
areas of the country I find it difficult to believe there is nothing usab=
le
anywhere. Sometimes its red, sometimes yellow, or grey, or black, or mot=
tled,
or brown or non-descript. The question is whether it is hard enough to s=
have
off a little metal and cause spark. Once you start picking the stuff up =
there
is never a shortage again.
Of course I call any fine grain rock that throws spark flint. After a wh=
ile
you can usually tell by looking. Maybe not on a beach but somewhere not =
far
away there is something that will spark. Check the decorative rocks in
peoples
gardens many of them work just fine. I've picked up usable rocks from gr=
avel
roadways, stream beds, and hillsides all over the country. =20
John...
At 09:11 PM 8/18/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks to all for the flint help.=A0 Unfortunately, where I live the clo=
sest
thing
>to flints lying about is grains of sand.=A0 Maybe someday I'll be fortun=
ate to
>live and shoot where flints grow wild.=A0 In the mean time, I'll try som=
e
>different types and continue to experiment with the knapping process.=A0=
I do
have
>some obsidian chunks I gathered in Idaho - anyone ever try that in a
>flintlock?=A0=A0 BTW, great lead on the MLML page!
>
>Tom
>
>larry pendleton wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>=A0=A0 Both John and Bob are right, sorta, If you live in the right par=
t of the
>> country......
>=20
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
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