From: "Lewis Kevin Raper" <POSSUMHUNTER@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hard Tack, Pilot Bread
Jim,
Could you scan them and post them or e-mail them to me?
Thanks, Possum Hunter
"No man can truly know Christ except he follow him in life" ( Testimony of
Anabaptist leader Hans Denk)
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From: <Casapy123@aol.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hard Tack, Pilot Bread
> Todd,
>
> I have a reprint from an old Mother Earth News that has about 2 dozen
recipes
> for hardtack. Different flavors, etc. Rye, wheat and on and on. From an
> authentic standpoint, these don't make it, but from a taste bud position,
> they are worth experimenting with. If you want it let me know.
>
> Jim Hardee
>
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 09:05:49 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: MtMan-List: Hello List
Hello List,
I was told this was an active list, been on it for several days and have seen very little on discussions of the fur trade or anything else for that matter. Is everyone at camp's, rendezvous' or on a vacation ?
Let discuss some fur trade, rendezvous or ones coming up.
Hello, HELLO.
D. L. Smith
Washington, MO.
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 09:47:16 -0700
From: "Buck" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
> Hello List,
>
> I was told this was an active list, been on it for several days and have seen very little on discussions of the fur trade or anything else for that matter. Is everyone at camp's, rendezvous' or on a vacation ?
>
> Let discuss some fur trade, rendezvous or ones coming up.
>
> Hello, HELLO.
>
> D. L. Smith
> Washington, MO.
Hey Concho,
Was just replying to Senator Bob Smith, United States Senator (I-NH) - that's been standing up for our gun rights in the US Senate.
Happened to check my mail and see you HELLO message, it does get real silent at times on some of these lists - probably like you said with other activities.
Let me give you and those out there something to read - a reply from Senator Bob Smith on an e-mail I sent him on him making a "stand" for us.
> Mr. Conner,
>
> I want you to know of my strong opposition to S. 254, the Violent
> and Repeat Juvenile Offender Accountability and Rehabilitation Act of
> 1999. I voted against that bill because I believe that the gun
> control amendments to it that were adopted by the Senate will do
> lasting damage to the fundamental right to keep and bear arms, which
> is guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States.
>
> I filibustered against this bill being sent to a Senate-House
> conference committee. If the final version of the bill still includes
> gun control, then I will filibuster it again. I thought you would
> appreciate knowing this in view of your previously-expressed concerns.
>
> I am outraged that the gun control lobby in this country took
> advantage of the tragedy earlier this year at Littleton, Colorado, to
> mount an unprecedented assault on the Second Amendment rights of
> law-abiding gun owners. They cast blame on law-abiding gun owners,
> while leaving the movie moguls and video game makers who promote
> wanton violence to children virtually unscathed.
>
> I am also disappointed by some of my conservative colleagues here
> in the Senate. I spent a great deal of time, over the two weeks that
> the Senate debated S. 254, arguing privately with these colleagues and
> trying to persuade them to hold the line against this onslaught of gun
> control amendments. Sadly, I was not successful. Nevertheless, I am
> proud to have stood up for the Second Amendment, even, in one case,
> when I was only one of two Senators to vote against a gun control
> amendment to S. 254.
>
> I am particularly angered by what the Senate voted to do with
> respect to gun shows. Sadly, it seems evident to me that the
> practical effect of the Lautenberg Amendment, adopted when Vice
> President Gore cast the tie-breaking vote, will be effectively to ruin
> gun shows -- to put them out of business. This, unfortunately, seems
> to me to be the aim of the Lautenberg Amendment.
>
> I am also deeply concerned about the effects of the so-called
> "trigger lock" amendment. Even though the amendment appears only to
> require trigger locks to be sold with guns, the legal effect of the
> amendment may well be to do great damage to the Second Amendment
> rights of law-abiding gun owners. This is because courts may construe
> the amendment as creating a new civil negligence standard under
> which gun owners will be seen as having a legal obligation to use their
> trigger locks or face legal liability if their gun is misused by some
> third party.
>
> If, in fact, the law develops such that gun owners have a legal
> obligation to use trigger locks, these law-abiding gun owners may be
> forced to put their safety, and that of their families, at risk. It
> is certainly not unreasonable to imagine a single mother of small
> children, depending on her gun for safety, panic-stricken as she
> struggles unsuccessfully with her trigger lock in the middle of the
> night after hearing a burglar break into her home.
>
> These are but two examples of the grave harm that the gun control
> amendments adopted to this bill by the Senate have done to the
> Second Amendment rights of Americans. When the heat of this moment
> is gone, and the passions so shamelessly stirred up by the gun control
> lobby have subsided, I am afraid that many of those who supported
> these amendments will realize that they have done the Second
> Amendment serious and lasting harm. Sadly, though, it will be too late.
>
> Thanks again for the concerns you have expressed. I am pleased to
> stand up for the rights of law-abiding gun owners.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> BOB SMITH
> United States Senator (I-NH)
We always think that writing these people goes to deaf ears, well look's like we have one that pays attention to what we say - with this Senator.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 09:47:57 PDT
From: "Bill Jackson" <billjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
Hello camp, can I get some info on how the mountain man carried his salt and
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:56:26 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
DL
You will find that weekends are pretty slow and the volume of =
discussions during the week will fluctuate a lot, particularly in the =
summer months....too many things to do, presumably. Don't be shy, throw =
out something for discussion. A bone to the dogs, so to speak......the =
meatier the better.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
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From: <concho@uswestmail.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:05 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Hello List
> Hello List,
>=20
> I was told this was an active list, been on it for several days and =
have seen very little on discussions of the fur trade or anything else =
for that matter. Is everyone at camp's, rendezvous' or on a vacation ?
>=20
> Let discuss some fur trade, rendezvous or ones coming up.
>=20
> Hello, HELLO.
>=20
> D. L. Smith
> Washington, MO.
> Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account =
http://www.uswestmail.net
>=20
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 10:05:45 -0700
From: "Buck" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
"The meatier the better" - how's your face and the straight razor skills doing Lanney !!!
Hope OK after a few weeks of practice, have you learned anything that a new comer to this thing called "shaving" could be told. Pulling the skin tight - etc !!
You have become the subject matter expert bud.
>
> DL
> You will find that weekends are pretty slow and the volume of discussions during the week will fluctuate a lot, particularly in the summer months....too many things to do, presumably. Don't be shy, throw out something for discussion. A bone to the dogs, so to speak......the meatier the better.
> YMOS
> Lanney Ratcliff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <concho@uswestmail.net>
> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:05 AM
> Subject: MtMan-List: Hello List
>
>
> > Hello List,
> >
> > I was told this was an active list, been on it for several days and have seen very little on discussions of the fur trade or anything else for that matter. Is everyone at camp's, rendezvous' or on a vacation ?
> >
> > Let discuss some fur trade, rendezvous or ones coming up.
> >
> > Hello, HELLO.
> >
> > D. L. Smith
> > Washington, MO.
> > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net
> >
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
_____________________________________
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and early history of the times, the one the
American Mountain Men read and write:
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
Conklin, MI 49403
ATTN: Jon Link
The subscription for the journal is $20 for a
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 13:08:01 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List WARNING NO PERIOD REFERENCES!
Buck,
Saw Dem. Bill Bradley on tv thismorning. Was asked about gun control, he said the ALL hanguns AND their owners should be registered AND licensed. And was going to ban all "Saturday night specials" whatever the hell
those are.. He didn't elaborate... Scary stuff.
Our two "Conservitive Rebublican" Senators from here in Ohio have sided with the Dems on ALL gun control issues. DeWine and Vionivich. I have written & called them numerous times with no answers whatsoever...
D
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:20:58 EDT
From: Cherokeoil@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: tarps
I would like to know if a tarp with grommets in it would work if i sewed some
leather over them? If not does anyone have any idea`s where i could get a
tarp without grommets around KC area or any mail order places? Thanks.
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:29:13 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
Bill,
The trappers carried their salt for personal use in horn containers, since
these were the only waterproof containers they had. A question I have, is
how did the trappers carry larger quanities of salt, such as the amount
needed to supply a whole party ? There are accounts of groups of trappers
carrying " gallons " of salt to be used by parties. I am not sure this was
a common practice of the mountain men, but it is well documented that the
longhunters of the 18th century certainly did. The reason I am not certain
if the mountain men carried such quanities of salt is that in doing the
reasearch for the sign language tape, I found that according to W. P. Clark
the plains Indians did not use salt. In fact the sign for salt is " taste ,
bad, white. " Does anyone have any further info ?
Pendleton
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From: Bill Jackson <billjackson@hotmail.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 9:49 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
>Hello camp, can I get some info on how the mountain man carried his salt
>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>
>
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 10:29:42 -0700
From: "Buck" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
On Sun, 01 August 1999, "Bill Jackson" wrote:
>
> Hello camp, can I get some info on how the mountain man carried his salt and
> spices?? and what kind of containers.
> Bill "MadJack" Jackson
>
MadJack,
In Washington's "kitchen mess kit", they stored salt, Havana Brown sugar and spices in metal tin containers that where tinned on the inside, the outside had turned a dark gray color from age, but the tinned inside was dull but not really discolored for it's age. Had a chance to examine the complete "mess" years ago when a friend of the family was working there at Valley Forge PA. There were samples of home spun cloth that had lined the spice and sugar containers, so apparently the spices, sugar and maybe even the salt where wrapped in cloth - then stored in the containers.
With the high moisture rate back there and being near the coast, I would think the items would stick to the cloth if not used daily, that's just a guess - nothing documented.
____________________________________
We have tried this method here in the rockies, seems to work fine, but we are dryer than some areas and this may have helped. I used small tin containers (originally had candy in them 30-40 years ago), removed the painted advertising with a small bead blaster and let them bare metal on the outside (have a nice grayish color) tinned the inside like Washington's.
DON'T USE COPPER CONTAINERS - I have done this one and within a few months they turn a nice green and so do your spices. ALSO USE container with rounded corners - helps from cutting through a haversack or bedroll.
The tinned ones (containers) mentioned have served us nicely in all four seasons, if your using them 4-6 times a year, your stored items should be fine - because your refilling them. I don't think they would store for extended lengths of time, probably draw moisture and soil.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
_____________________________________
Get a subscription to a journal of the fur trade
and early history of the times, the one the
American Mountain Men read and write:
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
Conklin, MI 49403
ATTN: Jon Link
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 10:52:32 -0700
From: "Buck" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List WARNING NO PERIOD REFERENCES!
>
> Buck,
> Saw Dem. Bill Bradley on tv thismorning. Was asked about gun control, he said the ALL hanguns AND their owners should be registered AND licensed. And was going to ban all "Saturday night specials" whatever the hell
> those are.. He didn't elaborate... Scary stuff.
> Our two "Conservitive Rebublican" Senators from here in Ohio have sided with the Dems on ALL gun control issues. DeWine and Vionivich. I have written & called them numerous times with no answers whatsoever...
> D
>
That's why we have to "hound' our rep's with e-mail and letters, bury their asses until they start answering the folks that voted them into those job, or vote them out and let them know why they lost, because they go off doing their own thing, not what they campained for when voted in.
Was at an NRA meeting back in the early sixies after Nam, this ex. pres. of the NRA was asked to come up on stage, took a little while to get him there, everyone settled down. He got ready to speak and said "Shoot the lawyers and elected ones will quit", the crowd when nuts and he went and sat back down. Think about it, many of these elected officals have that back ground, so they know what they can get away with right from the start.
Take it easy Cuttleg, your a skinner not a skin headed offical.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
_____________________________________
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and early history of the times, the one the
American Mountain Men read and write:
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 11:02:53 -0700
From: "Buck" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
On Sun, 01 August 1999, "larry pendleton" wrote:
>
> Bill,
> The trappers carried their salt for personal use in horn containers, since
> these were the only waterproof containers they had. A question I have, is
> how did the trappers carry larger quanities of salt, such as the amount
> needed to supply a whole party ? There are accounts of groups of trappers
> carrying " gallons " of salt to be used by parties. I am not sure this was
> a common practice of the mountain men, but it is well documented that the
> longhunters of the 18th century certainly did. The reason I am not certain
> if the mountain men carried such quanities of salt is that in doing the
> reasearch for the sign language tape, I found that according to W. P. Clark
> the plains Indians did not use salt. In fact the sign for salt is " taste ,
> bad, white. " Does anyone have any further info ?
> Pendleton
Larry & Bill,
For large quanities I read some where of traders carrying "caked" salt in wooden buckets to settlements from the Mississippi River east.
Didn't Clymer or another artist do research on the salt operation in southern Utah - painted a picture of such activity with whites and Indians, cooking salt and salt stored in wooden buckets.
In one issue of Muzzleloader there was an article about the salt operation in Kent or Virgina, showed a couple of men each carrying wooden buckets on a yoke, I guess they had salt ?
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
_____________________________________
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and early history of the times, the one the
American Mountain Men read and write:
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
Conklin, MI 49403
ATTN: Jon Link
The subscription for the journal is $20 for a
year or $35 for two years. You will receive
quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,.
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 11:05:43 -0700
From: "Buck" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tarps
On Sun, 01 August 1999, Cherokeoil@aol.com wrote:
>
> I would like to know if a tarp with grommets in it would work if i sewed some
> leather over them? If not does anyone have any idea`s where i could get a
> tarp without grommets around KC area or any mail order places? Thanks.
Look in the Yellow Pages under "Tent & Awning" or "fabric", usually you can find "sail cloth" or canvas. For a supplier try Panther Primitives.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
_____________________________________
Get a subscription to a journal of the fur trade
and early history of the times, the one the
American Mountain Men read and write:
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
Conklin, MI 49403
ATTN: Jon Link
The subscription for the journal is $20 for a
year or $35 for two years. You will receive
quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,.
_____________________________________
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 11:09:21 -0700
From: "Buck" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
> > Hello List,
> >
> > I was told this was an active list, been on it for several days.............
HELP, I have orders to fill, don't have all day entertaining the likes of "Concho".
Will someone answer some of these questions and add to the questions -thanks.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
_____________________________________
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and early history of the times, the one the
American Mountain Men read and write:
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
Conklin, MI 49403
ATTN: Jon Link
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_____________________________________
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:13:11 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
Buck
I shave every day with the straight razor and found out right away that =
it is a matter of getting better quickly or else. I seem to have a =
knack for it because as the number and size of the nicks decrease, the =
quality of the shave increases. Several guys have told me tales of =
bloody cuts that practically needed sutureing, including one who threw =
the razor across the bathroom in disgust, ruining the razor and putting =
himself in no little danger. Let me get a few years experience before =
burdening me with Subject Matter Expert title. There are tons of =
guys....many on this list.....who are truly the experts. I am still the =
trainee. =20
The sense of satisfaction derived from the ritual of shaving with a =
straight razor has made the few nicks seem cheap at the price. The =
first time you touch your face with the razor is a little scary, but =
good technique (largely common sense, really) and good tools will help =
you get past that. I recommend that anybody who ever thought they =
wanted to use a straight razor should find somebody who uses one =
regularly and talk to him about it. Some guys might actually allow you =
to use their razor.....some won't.=20
Do you have the photo of the razor I bought from you posted to your web =
site? If not I will post it to you, or anyone else, as a jpg image. =
It is a great looking razor and, even more importantly, it is a very =
good razor. =20
YMOS
Lanney=20
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
> "The meatier the better" - how's your face and the straight razor =
skills doing Lanney !!!
>=20
> Hope OK after a few weeks of practice, have you learned anything that =
a new comer to this thing called "shaving" could be told. Pulling the =
skin tight - etc !!
>=20
> You have become the subject matter expert bud.
>=20
> >=20
> > DL
> > You will find that weekends are pretty slow and the volume of =
discussions during the week will fluctuate a lot, particularly in the =
summer months....too many things to do, presumably. Don't be shy, throw =
out something for discussion. A bone to the dogs, so to speak......the =
meatier the better.
> > YMOS
> > Lanney Ratcliff
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: <concho@uswestmail.net>
> > To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:05 AM
> > Subject: MtMan-List: Hello List
> >=20
> >=20
> > > Hello List,
> > >=20
> > > I was told this was an active list, been on it for several days =
and have seen very little on discussions of the fur trade or anything =
else for that matter. Is everyone at camp's, rendezvous' or on a =
vacation ?
> > >=20
> > > Let discuss some fur trade, rendezvous or ones coming up.
> > >=20
> > > Hello, HELLO.
> > >=20
> > > D. L. Smith
> > > Washington, MO.
> > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account =
http://www.uswestmail.net
> > >=20
>=20
> Later,
> Buck Conner=20
> dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
> AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory=20
> _____________________________________
> Get a subscription to a journal of the fur trade=20
> and early history of the times, the one the=20
> American Mountain Men read and write: =20
> =20
> The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *=20
> Conklin, MI 49403 =20
> ATTN: Jon Link =20
> =20
> The subscription for the journal is $20 for a=20
> year or $35 for two years. You will receive=20
> quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,. =20
> _____________________________________
> =20
> =20
>=20
> Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account =
http://www.uswestmail.net
>=20
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 11:23:08 -0700
From: "Buck" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
> Do you have the photo of the razor I bought from you posted to your web site? If not I will post it to you, or anyone else, as a jpg image. It is a great looking razor and, even more importantly, it is a very good razor.
> YMOS
> Lanney
Lanney, send it again, told Wendy to put it on site - she got Larry and his tape up, but not the razor.
send it to my business e-mail at : buck.conner@worldnet.att.net
Thanks again, and I have saved what you just wrote, good straight forward information for a new straight razor shaver.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
_____________________________________
Get a subscription to a journal of the fur trade
and early history of the times, the one the
American Mountain Men read and write:
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
Conklin, MI 49403
ATTN: Jon Link
The subscription for the journal is $20 for a
year or $35 for two years. You will receive
quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,.
_____________________________________
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:32:21 -0700
From: JW Stephens <johns@primarycolor.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
I don't have my books at hand, being at work, but IIRC there were some
well-known salt-works around the Great Salt Lake and north of there that
are mentioned in accounts of the era. Osborne Russell perhaps? I am sure
that salt was one of the commodites packed into rendezvous and also
remember reading of a reference to a salt mill, presumably used to grind
caked salt for use. Salt and hunters went hand in hand through history,
as natural salt licks are the great "singles bars" of mother nature. So
woodsmen kept an eye peeled for salt-making spots and also used them for
meat-making. Sorry for lacking references, but maybe someone with books
at hand will remember where to find the items I refer to.
B'str'd
larry pendleton wrote:
>
> Bill,
> The trappers carried their salt for personal use in horn containers, since
> these were the only waterproof containers they had. A question I have, is
> how did the trappers carry larger quanities of salt, such as the amount
> needed to supply a whole party ? There are accounts of groups of trappers
> carrying " gallons " of salt to be used by parties. I am not sure this was
> a common practice of the mountain men, but it is well documented that the
> longhunters of the 18th century certainly did. The reason I am not certain
> if the mountain men carried such quanities of salt is that in doing the
> reasearch for the sign language tape, I found that according to W. P. Clark
> the plains Indians did not use salt. In fact the sign for salt is " taste ,
> bad, white. " Does anyone have any further info ?
> Pendleton
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:31:27 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
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<br><b>All this straight razor talk is almost enough to make me want to
take up shaving again...</b>
<br><b>Imagine me with no hair at all on my face.. A pretty sight to behold,
one of near Angelic perfection, if I do say so myself..<G></b>
<br><b>D</b>
<br>
<br>
<p>Buck wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>> Do you have the photo of the razor I bought from
you posted to your web site? If not I will post it to you, or anyone
else, as a jpg image. It is a great looking razor and, even
more importantly, it is a very good razor.
<br>> YMOS
<br>> Lanney
<p>Lanney, send it again, told Wendy to put it on site - she got Larry
and his tape up, but not the razor.
<p>send it to my business e-mail at : buck.conner@worldnet.att.net
<p>Thanks again, and I have saved what you just wrote, good straight forward
information for a new straight razor shaver.
<p>Later,
<br>Buck Conner
<br>dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
<br>AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
<br>_____________________________________
<br>Get a subscription to a journal of the fur trade
<br>and early history of the times, the one the
<br>American Mountain Men read and write:
<p>The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
<br>Conklin, MI 49403
<br>ATTN: Jon Link
<p>The subscription for the journal is $20 for a
<br>year or $35 for two years. You will receive
<br>quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,.
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> You will find that weekends are pretty slow and the volume of discussions during the week will fluctuate a lot, particularly in the summer months....too many things to do, presumably. Don't be shy, throw out something for discussion. A bone to the dogs, so to speak......the meatier the better.
> YMOS
> Lanney Ratcliff
Looks like things are pickin' up Lanney.
D. L. Smith
Washington, MO.
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 11:38:58 -0700
From: "Concho" <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List WARNING NO PERIOD REFERENCES!
On Sun, 01 August 1999, "Buck" wrote:
>
> >
> > Buck,
> > Saw Dem. Bill Bradley on tv thismorning. Was asked about gun control, he said the ALL hanguns AND their owners should be registered AND licensed. And was going to ban all "Saturday night specials" whatever the hell
> > those are.. He didn't elaborate... Scary stuff.
> > Our two "Conservitive Rebublican" Senators from here in Ohio have sided with the Dems on ALL gun control issues. DeWine and Vionivich. I have written & called them numerous times with no answers whatsoever...
> > D
> >
> That's why we have to "hound' our rep's with e-mail and letters, bury their asses until they start answering the folks that voted them into those job, or vote them out and let them know why they lost, because they go off doing their own thing, not what they campained for when voted in.
Amen brothers.
D. L. Smith
Washington, MO.
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:45:36 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
Buck,
Your right, I seem to remember an artist's rendition of someone cooking
salt, possibly in Utah. I also read that Lewis and Clark carried a large
quanity of salt and if memory serves me correctly, they cooked a large
amount of salt on the west coast. I'm not sure this was a common practice
with The Rocky Mountain Fur Trappers. Did the traders carry salt to the
mountains to be traded or sold ? Or did they cook it themselves or just
made do without it ? I don't know. Me thinks we need more info.
Pendleton
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From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
>On Sun, 01 August 1999, "larry pendleton" wrote:
>
>>
>> Bill,
>> The trappers carried their salt for personal use in horn containers,
since
>> these were the only waterproof containers they had. A question I have,
is
>> how did the trappers carry larger quanities of salt, such as the amount
>> needed to supply a whole party ? There are accounts of groups of
trappers
>> carrying " gallons " of salt to be used by parties. I am not sure this
was
>> a common practice of the mountain men, but it is well documented that the
>> longhunters of the 18th century certainly did. The reason I am not
certain
>> if the mountain men carried such quanities of salt is that in doing the
>> reasearch for the sign language tape, I found that according to W. P.
Clark
>> the plains Indians did not use salt. In fact the sign for salt is "
taste ,
>> bad, white. " Does anyone have any further info ?
>> Pendleton
>
>Larry & Bill,
>
>For large quanities I read some where of traders carrying "caked" salt in
wooden buckets to settlements from the Mississippi River east.
>
>Didn't Clymer or another artist do research on the salt operation in
southern Utah - painted a picture of such activity with whites and Indians,
cooking salt and salt stored in wooden buckets.
>
>In one issue of Muzzleloader there was an article about the salt operation
in Kent or Virgina, showed a couple of men each carrying wooden buckets on a
yoke, I guess they had salt ?
>
>
>Later,
>Buck Conner
>dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
>AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
>_____________________________________
>Get a subscription to a journal of the fur trade
>and early history of the times, the one the
>American Mountain Men read and write:
>
>The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
>Conklin, MI 49403
>ATTN: Jon Link
>
>The subscription for the journal is $20 for a
>year or $35 for two years. You will receive
>quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,.
>_____________________________________
>
>
>
>Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net
>
>
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