And.... Lanney is a whole lot "cuter" than Tree, and most often smells one
hell of a lot better. ;0)))
*S*
Look for me, Todd. Most likely I will be the largest person there (if Tree
Wood doesn't come...he is taller but I am a little heavier). I will be
there by Tuesday afternoon.
Lanney Ratcliff
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:47:06 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
I will take plenty of purty pictures. Ain't I a bitch?
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Sidney Porter <sidney@htcomp.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
> AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!! I wanna go!!!!!!!!
>=20
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net>
> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
>=20
>=20
> Look for me, Todd. Most likely I will be the largest person there (if =
Tree
> Wood doesn't come...he is taller but I am a little heavier). I will =
be
> there by Tuesday afternoon.
> Lanney Ratcliff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <TetonTod@aol.com>
> To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 12:28 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
>=20
>=20
> > How many of you fine brothers will be at the Rendezvous this coming
> weekend?
> > I should be there on Sunday night or Monday morning and staying all =
next
> week.
> > Will be camping with the Poison River Party. Sure would like to meet =
some
> of
> > you and put faces to the names.
> >
> > HOORAH FOR RENDEZVOUS!!!!!!!
> >
> > Todd Glover
> >
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:08:23 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
Brothers,
I only wish I could be there with you.
Ya'll Be Safe and Have Fun ! ! !
Your Brother,
Pendleton #1572
- -----Original Message-----
From: zaslow <zaz@pacificnet.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
>Todd,
>
>Ron Price (Wetpossum) and I from the Oak Ridge Party will be ariving on the
>30th. Looking forward to seeing you all and have a safe trip.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:05:52 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brotherhood
John,
Thanks for the kind words. There wasn't much comment when I posted that
message, and that's OK because I am not very good at puting such things into
words. I wasn't to sure most folks understood what I was trying to say.
When I started buckskinning many years ago I had very few real friends.
Like most guys I had lots of aquaintances, but very few if any that could be
counted on. I feel very fortunate to have been able to develop the kind of
relationships that I spoke of earlier.
Becoming a member of the AMM Brotherhood has only reinforced those
relationships and developed more of them. In talking to other men in the
workplace it's a rare thing to find men who have any real friends of the
kind who can be counted on unconditionally. I think those of us who have
those kind of relationships are very fortunate in todays world.
One thing that I should have added to the original post was that a real
Brother would do no less for those who would need to call on him.
Again, I'm not very good at puting such things into words, and I've most
likely said more than I should. I felt then that Laura's question deserved
a response.
Pendleton #1572
- -----Original Message-----
From: john c. funk,jr <j2hearts@shasta.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brotherhood
>Larry,
>I wish all in the "brotherhood" held you view. At best, few live it.
>John Funk
>----- Original Message -----
>From: larry pendleton <yrrw@airmail.net>
>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 9:35 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brotherhood
>
>
>> Laura,
>> What Mr. Ambrose said about friendship holds true for our Brotherhood
as
>> well. The Brotherhood means different things to different men. Here is
>> what it means to me : A real Brother is the guy you can call at 2:00 AM
>in
>> the middle of a work week and no matter what the reason or the distance,
>you
>> know before you ever drop the quarter in the phone that he is going to
>bust
>> ass to get there and do what ever he can to help. He is the guy that you
>> can call, and tell him your wife or your kids need help and you can't get
>> there, and before you even ask you know he'll care take of them for you
>till
>> you
>> can get there. That is a rather crude way of saying it, and I hope that
>> you can understand what I'm trying to say.
>> Pendleton #1572
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net>
>> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:38 PM
>> Subject: MtMan-List: Brotherhood
>>
>>
>> >3:30 p.m. EST
>> >
>> >Gentlemen:
>> >
>> > This morning I had the good fortune of seeing Stephen Ambrose discuss
>> >his new book, Comrades, on the TODAY Show. During part of the segment,
>> >Ambrose read his personal definition of friendship.
>> >
>> > For the last few months, I have been a part of this "list." I have sat
>> >in the dark at my computer and read many of your posts to one another
>> >that deal with the brotherhood you have between you. I have been
>> >privileged to enjoy your sense of humor, your sense of loyalty to one
>> >another, and your genuine concern for one another.
>> >
>> > When I heard Ambrose's definition of friendship, it brought this
>> >brotherhood you share to mind. I rushed to a bookstore today, stood in
>> >the back with a pen and paper, and wrote down the definition. I send it
>> >out to each of you as a Father's Day gift.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Friendship is different from all other relationships. Unlike
>> >acquaintanceship it is based on love. Unlike lovers and married
>> >couples, it is free of jealousy. Unlike children and parents it knows
>> >neither criticism nor resentment. Friendship has no status in law.
>> >Business partnerships are based on a contract. So is marriage. Parents
>> >are bound by law, as are children. But friendship is freely entered
>> >into, freely given, freely exercised.
>> >
>> > Friends never cheat each other, or take advantage, or lie. Friends do
>> >not spy on one another, yet they have no secrets. Friends glory in each
>> >other's successes and are downcast by the failures. Friends minister to
>> >each other, nurse each other. Friends give to each other, worry about
>> >each other, stand always ready to help. Perfect friendship is rarely
>> >achieved, but at its height it is an ecstasy. For Lewis and Clark, it
>> >was such an ecstasy, and the critical factor in their success. But even
>> >at its highest, friendship is human, not godlike. For all his efforts
>> >and intentions, Clark could not save Lewis. But they gave each other
>> >everything that can be drawn from a friendship, including their finest
>> >moments. Through their trust of each other they put themselves into the
>> >top rank of world explorers. And they gave to their country its epic
>> >poem while introducing the American people to the American West.
>> >
>> >Best wishes,
>> >Laura Glise
>> >Atlanta
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:14:59 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
Yep you sure are ! !
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
I will take plenty of purty pictures. Ain't I a bitch?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Sidney Porter <sidney@htcomp.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
> AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!! I wanna go!!!!!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net>
> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
>
>
> Look for me, Todd. Most likely I will be the largest person there (if
Tree
> Wood doesn't come...he is taller but I am a little heavier). I will be
> there by Tuesday afternoon.
> Lanney Ratcliff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <TetonTod@aol.com>
> To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 12:28 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
>
>
> > How many of you fine brothers will be at the Rendezvous this coming
> weekend?
> > I should be there on Sunday night or Monday morning and staying all next
> week.
> > Will be camping with the Poison River Party. Sure would like to meet
some
> of
> > you and put faces to the names.
> >
> > HOORAH FOR RENDEZVOUS!!!!!!!
> >
> > Todd Glover
> >
>
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:24:37 -0400
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
When you guys get back, someone better tell the rest of us, because we have to
work group and cannot come out and play, how it was. I want all the dirty,
funny, gritty details. And a few good lies too.
Linda Holley
Sidney Porter wrote:
> And.... Lanney is a whole lot "cuter" than Tree, and most often smells one
> hell of a lot better. ;0)))
>
> *S*
>
> Look for me, Todd. Most likely I will be the largest person there (if Tree
> Wood doesn't come...he is taller but I am a little heavier). I will be
> there by Tuesday afternoon.
> Lanney Ratcliff
------------------------------
Date:
From:
Subject: [none]
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Date: 22 Jun 1999 19:40:40 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buck's store
That's the past boys; we where there, we had fun and we helped a lot of new folks get started in muzzle loading the right way - with sound advice and shooting range instruction.
Some day we'll do it again, and I won't have to drive all those miles.
Later
YF&B
Buck
> > PS
> > Buck won't like this I'm sure, but have had several ask about the Buckhorn store, so I'll try and answer everyone at once with the hist_list.
Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:27:46 +0000
From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: It's a long story . . . . on topic
When I was 22 years old a young man gave me a copy of Osborne Russell's
Journal of a Trapper. It's a long story, but it's on topic.
Three years ago I began writing a book, Across the Seasons, a novel of
historical fiction involving Russell. Somehow I was directed to your
"list" and, for the last six months I have "listened" and "learned" from
all of you. Unknowingly, you have been my mentors through your posts,
your strong opinions, and your insights.
My first mentors were J.R. and Eileen Watson. I showed up in Riverton,
Wyoming at the reenactment of the 1838 Rendezvous looking like a
would-be mountaineer out of a Salvation Army store. God knows what
those fine gentlemen and ladies must have thought when I stood at the
opening ceremony and announced I was writing a novel of historical
fiction and showed up with a modern-day belt and a Randall knife slung
on my hips. No one cast a sideways glance when my ribbon dress had
Wal-Mart "Indian" designs falling from the yoke. If I had known how I
had embarrassed myself, I would have never gone back, but I did, and I
leave day after tomorrow to make the journey again. No one made me feel
slight. No one made me feel foolish, and as a result, I pursued my
imagination, and I grew stronger.
Please forgive me for waxing eloquently, but tonight, I am riding on a
high as sweet as the mountains at twilight, inhaling the smoke from a
distant fire. I am feeling proud. I have finally finished my book. I
have learned my lessons, and I am not afraid to have my
interpretation(s) put into print and read by men, such as yourselves,
that have studied our nation's history and become scholars in your
field.
This is an excerpt from my book. I send it to you as a means of a thank
you for your timely answers to my questions, and your fervent dedication
to this important time in our nation's history. It is from the last
chapter of my book when Russell is on his deathbed:
"There were some things Sarah had not told him. She had not mentioned
that the famous explorer, Merriwether Lewis, had committed suicide. It
came as a great shock to Russell, but as the years passed, and the early
morning smell of his Shining Mountains became a distant memory, he
understood Lewis' sadness that he and Clark had rendered the Unknown
into the Familiar. He remembered Sarah saying that it was from the
campfires of trappers that cities would rise. And they did. It was a
new frontier opened by Time. The way West was no longer known as
Sublette's cut-off or Sublette's trace, but the Oregon Trail. It had
been Captain Stewart, going back to St. Louis, that had blazed the
trail.
By 1843 Fremont had highly touted the ease of moving through South Pass
and, the same year, one thousand people, made the trip west. Senator
Thomas Hart Benton promoted the idea by saying it was a "utopia -- three
crops a year and every baby was healthy." In reality, the trip to
Oregon took six months, traveling fifteen miles a day, and one in ten
died on the perilous journey.
Ever once in a while Russell would hear of the goings on of a fellow
trapper. Newell and Meek, true to their discussion at the Rendezvous of
1838, left the mountains in 1840 and journeyed to Oregon and settled as
farmers on the Tualatin plains on the Willamette. In 1843, Meek was made
sheriff of the territory and, the boy who had left home at sixteen
unable to read and refusing to learn, was elected twice to the
legislature. After the tragic massacre of Dr. Whitman, his wife, and
others, Meek was elected as a special messenger to Washington to ask for
protection of the colony. He had written Russell a letter describing
himself as an "envoy extraordinary and minister plenipotentiary from the
Republic of Oregon to the Court of the United States," and though
"ragged, dirty and lousy" on his arrival, Meek was warmly welcomed by
the poupuar voice and dubbed, "Colonel."
Thank you Gentlemen. Thank you J.R. and Eileen for letting me sit on
the ground by your campfire in Riverton and listen to your generous
expertise -- for endless hours -- and countless e-mails thereafter.
Thank you, Mr. Ratcliff, for giving me the confidence to forage through
the historical mine field of the fur trade, and giving me the guts to
finish my story.
Merci
Laura Glise
Atlanta, Georgia
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:01:32 -0700
From: terry l landis <tllandis@juno.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: western national
well I'm not new to the list but i am a new pilgrim, just put my paper
work in this last week.
I've been on this list for over a year now. i tend to be quiet and
listen to whats said . i ask when i need to and laugh a lot, especially
at those Texans ; ) but most of all i appreciate the feeling of welcome
that has been shown to me. particularly by those that i have had the
privilege of meeting.
now that i have the mushy stuff out of the way, HOT DAMN I'M GOING TO THE
HO DOWN!
i ain't never been to them shining mountains but in 5 days i get to see
the most perfect place god ever made i imagine and I'll be hard pressed
to make it home to the wife when its done.
honey pack yer bags were movin to the rockies !!!!
by the way I'll be the guy who looks all shiny and new
YMHS,
Terry Landis
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:30:05 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: western national
terry l landis wrote:
> well I'm not new to the list but i am a new pilgrim, just put my paper
> work in this last week.
> <Snip>
> i ain't never been to them shining mountains but in 5 days i get to see
> the most perfect place god ever made i imagine and I'll be hard pressed
> to make it home to the wife when its done.
> honey pack yer bags were movin to the rockies !!!!
> by the way I'll be the guy who looks all shiny and new
Don't let him fool ya boys. This young'n got his kit together in the two
weeks before a righteous Party canoe camp in March this year and came in
looking like he wintered over and before the weekend was out he did! Slept in
the cold for three days and two, and manned a set of oars in my bateau and
helped row us out in the teeth of a cold, wet, horizontal Sou'wester blow'in
snow into our whiskers and up our skirts! Nary a whine, or belly ache! He'll
come along fine! Wished he was join'in our Party. I remain.........
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
Clerk, Wilson Price Hunt Party
NW Brigade
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:56:14 -0700
From: "Sidney Porter" <sidney@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
Yes, as a matter of fact, you are a bitch! But then you know I'll drive all
the way to your house to look at them.
....and I always say such nice things about you. You'd think someone on
this list would want a beautiful woman along for the ride.
*S*
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
I will take plenty of purty pictures. Ain't I a bitch?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Sidney Porter <sidney@htcomp.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
> AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!! I wanna go!!!!!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net>
> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
>
>
> Look for me, Todd. Most likely I will be the largest person there (if
Tree
> Wood doesn't come...he is taller but I am a little heavier). I will be
> there by Tuesday afternoon.
> Lanney Ratcliff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <TetonTod@aol.com>
> To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 12:28 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
>
>
> > How many of you fine brothers will be at the Rendezvous this coming
> weekend?
> > I should be there on Sunday night or Monday morning and staying all next
> week.
> > Will be camping with the Poison River Party. Sure would like to meet
some
> of
> > you and put faces to the names.
> >
> > HOORAH FOR RENDEZVOUS!!!!!!!
> >
> > Todd Glover
> >
>
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:06:21 -0700
From: "Sidney Porter" <sidney@htcomp.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: SPAM info
Hello the List,
In my continuing efforts to clean the SPAM from my other e-mail account, I
got this very nice and informative letter from the Postmaster at att.net.
It has a lot of links toward the end that have to do with attacking the
Spammers of the world. I am already getting less than I did each day, and
I've gotten a couple of accounts closed. I've also gotten some nice letters
from ISPs in other countries. So, there may yet be hope.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:35:29 -0500
From: "John McKee" <stitchin@tekhullogy.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
Any brother that wants to swing by my place (a little out of the way) after
the western is welcome for a hot shower and a cold beer!! Long John
Cincinnati, IA
- -----Original Message-----
From: Sidney Porter <sidney@htcomp.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
>And.... Lanney is a whole lot "cuter" than Tree, and most often smells one
>hell of a lot better. ;0)))
>
>*S*
>
>
>
>Look for me, Todd. Most likely I will be the largest person there (if Tree
>Wood doesn't come...he is taller but I am a little heavier). I will be
>there by Tuesday afternoon.
>Lanney Ratcliff
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: 23 Jun 1999 10:59:48 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: It's a long story . . . . on topic
Lanney,
When you see Laura at the Nationals, inform her that one Mr. Crosby Brown of Washington, Missouri (retired historian for that state), has found new information that possibly Lewis was murdered by one of his creditors staying in the tavern that night.
Seems the pistol Lewis had was a smaller caliber than the bullet found in his head along with several other items that did not make it a clear case of suicide. Interesting story that he is in the process of putting the documentation together on, will change a little of our history if proven correct.
Later
YF&B
Buck
> "There were some things Sarah had not told him. She had not mentioned
> that the famous explorer, Merriwether Lewis, had committed suicide. It
> came as a great shock to Russell, but as the years passed, and the early
> morning smell of his Shining Mountains became a distant memory, he
> understood Lewis' sadness that he and Clark had rendered the Unknown
> into the Familiar. He remembered Sarah saying that it was from the
> campfires of trappers that cities would rise. And they did. It was a
> new frontier opened by Time. The way West was no longer known as
> Sublette's cut-off or Sublette's trace, but the Oregon Trail. It had
> been Captain Stewart, going back to St. Louis, that had blazed the
> trail.
> Laura Glise
Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:09:17 EDT
From: WSmith4100@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous and another thing
Howdy folks,
just a quick question. I know that I'm not a AMM member, but out of
curiosity, where is the Western Rendezvous being held this year? One other
question pleasea, Is there a book on the market that goes into the "how
to's" of trekking. A couple of buddies of mine and I are trying to put to
gether a first time trek. Thanks in advance for any and all help;
YMHS
Wade "Griz" Smith
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:48:43 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous and another thing
WSmith4100@aol.com wrote:
> Howdy folks,
> just a quick question. I know that I'm not a AMM member, but out of
> curiosity, where is the Western Rendezvous being held this year?
Wade,
The Roky Mountain National Rendezvous ( non NMLRA) is being held July 8 through
July 17 on the Lou Wyman Elk Ranch near Craig Colorado. Call "Moonshine" Johnson
the booshway at (417) 739-4709.
> One other
> question pleasea, Is there a book on the market that goes into the "how
> to's" of trekking. A couple of buddies of mine and I are trying to put to
> gether a first time trek.
Probably the best source for info for the first timer (so he does it right) is
the 6th and 7th edition of the Book of Bucksinning. Both volumes have good
information on how it is done, winter and summer. They are put out by Scurlock
Publishing Co. Hope this helps get you in the woods. I remain.........
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:35:32 PDT
From: Bill Jackson <billjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous and another thing
Aye, I am not a memeber of AMM, would I do envy you guys going to the
Rockies to rondyvoo. maybe one day I will be a pilgram among you.
