According to the booshway, our party will arrive sometime middle next week 29 or
30...so I hear. See ya in the mountains.
By the way, I will need someone to ferry me back to Pinedale to get my 1-ton;
any kindhearted neighborliness will be rewarded with good stories and gas money.
See ya in the mountains.
The Taos Pard
Rick Baird
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:07:32 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
TetonTod@aol.com wrote:
> Will be camping with the Poison River Party. Sure would like to meet some of
> you and put faces to the names.
>
> HOORAH FOR RENDEZVOUS!!!!!!!
Teton Todd,
I'll be coming in on Sat. and will be camped with others of the Wilson Price Hunt
Party, NW Brigade. Look forward to seeing you. I remain.........
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
Clerk-WPH
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:46:49 -0700
From: Pat Quilter <pat_quilter@qscaudio.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
I should be arriving (by tin mule) late Tues, June 29. I may have Tom
Nichols (newly awarded number 1752) with me, unless he finds a ride with
someone else from the Porterville CA area. Two members of our party, Dead
Horse and Marty Deushane will be riding in with Patton's brigade. Graham and
Ryan Johnston should be arriving the first weekend. Hooraw for the Rockies!
Pat Quilter, Mojave Desert Party.
- -----Original Message-----
From: TetonTod@aol.com [mailto:TetonTod@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 10:28 AM
To: hist_text@xmission.com
Subject: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
How many of you fine brothers will be at the Rendezvous this coming weekend?
I should be there on Sunday night or Monday morning and staying all next
week.
Will be camping with the Poison River Party. Sure would like to meet some of
you and put faces to the names.
HOORAH FOR RENDEZVOUS!!!!!!!
Todd Glover
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:54:02 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
Look for me, Todd. Most likely I will be the largest person there (if =
Tree Wood doesn't come...he is taller but I am a little heavier). I =
will be there by Tuesday afternoon.
Lanney Ratcliff
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: <TetonTod@aol.com>
To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 12:28 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
> How many of you fine brothers will be at the Rendezvous this coming =
weekend?
> I should be there on Sunday night or Monday morning and staying all =
next week.
> Will be camping with the Poison River Party. Sure would like to meet =
some of=20
> you and put faces to the names.
>=20
> HOORAH FOR RENDEZVOUS!!!!!!!
>=20
> Todd Glover
>=20
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Date: 21 Jun 1999 18:20:32 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: The Second Amendment-Join the fight
It's time to stand and be counted, if you don't want more gun laws, register or loose what we got.
We all have seen the numerous articles from a large group of
associations, organizations and groups crying about the Second
Amendment, for and against.
When asking a muzzle loaders, historians, or trekkers, etc., which ever group you belong to, "what do you belong to" most will probably say a local club, a trekking group or the National Muzzle Loading Association. Strange how in many of these surveys, only a few mention the groups that actually do lobby and fight for the Second Amendment, like the National Rifle Association (membership dues), the Gun Owner's of America (free internet service that puts the word out with alerts per state).
We as gun owners, gun users, gun collectors, hunters, sportsman, etc., you need to consider what's important and who is fighting for your/our's rights at home and in Washington D.C. .
More now than ever before is the need to join up, recruit and let your voice be heard about issues dealing with any of the Amendments. Don't let these Articles of Freedom slip through our fingers that our forefather's fought and died for. Stand and be counted, now is the time.
Now we got some attention getters with Charlton Heston, Robert Stack and several others from Hollywood (in the past most of these mammy pammy acters were against guns), the NRA has an excellent staff of advisors like Wayne LaPierre and a list of others as long as your arm.
________________________
National Rifle Association
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, Va 22030-9400
Gun Owners of America
http://www.gunowners.org
good information, form letters, senate and house member address and e-mails. Weekly e-mails of problems in the state, local and government services.
________________________
This is no baloney sales pitch, your help is needed - don't kiss it off like many of you have in the past.
Buck Conner
NRA Life Member
Gun Owners of America
Colorado Gun Owners Association
American Mountain Men Association
Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:47:19 EDT
From: ElZopilote@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: $176,400 PENALTY AGAINST GOEX!!
In a message dated 6/20/99 10:32:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
b_cory_mcnutt@email.msn.com writes:
<< "Muzzle Loaders Have a Lot of Balls" >>
I love this...can I steal it?
zopiloader
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: zaslow <zaz@pacificnet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
Todd,
Ron Price (Wetpossum) and I from the Oak Ridge Party will be ariving on the
30th. Looking forward to seeing you all and have a safe trip.
Best Regards,
Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow
------------------------------
Date: 22 Jun 1999 05:14:23 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Second Amendment-UPDATE
> On Mon, 21 June 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> It's time to stand and be counted, if you don't want more gun laws, register or loose what we got.
>
> We all have seen the numerous articles from a large group of
> associations, organizations and groups crying about the Second
> Amendment, for and against.
>
> When asking a muzzle loaders, historians, or trekkers, etc., which ever group you belong to, "what do you belong to" most will probably say a local club, a trekking group or the National Muzzle Loading Association. Strange how in many of these surveys, only a few mention the groups that actually do lobby and fight for the Second Amendment, like the National Rifle Association (membership dues), the Gun Owner's of America (free internet service that puts the word out with alerts per state).
>
> We as gun owners, gun users, gun collectors, hunters, sportsman, etc., you need to consider what's important and who is fighting for your/our's rights at home and in Washington D.C. .
>
> More now than ever before is the need to join up, recruit and let your voice be heard about issues dealing with any of the Amendments. Don't let these Articles of Freedom slip through our fingers that our forefather's fought and died for. Stand and be counted, now is the time.
>
> Now we got some attention getters with Charlton Heston, Robert Stack and several others from Hollywood (in the past most of these mammy pammy acters were against guns), the NRA has an excellent staff of advisors like Wayne LaPierre and a list of others as long as your arm.
> ________________________
> National Rifle Association
> 11250 Waples Mill Road
> Fairfax, Va 22030-9400
>
> Gun Owners of America
> http://www.gunowners.org
> good information, form letters, senate and house member address and e-mails. Weekly e-mails of problems in the state, local and government services.
> ________________________
> This is no baloney sales pitch, your help is needed - don't kiss it off like many of you have in the past.
>
> Buck Conner
> NRA Life Member
> Gun Owners of America
> Colorado Gun Owners Association
> American Mountain Men Association
>
AN EXAMPLE OF THE GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA MAILINGS.
Gun Owners Win Major House Battle
- --But some Republicans still plugging for gun control
Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org
"I am disappointed . . . [with] the vast majority of Democrats [who]
voted against a fair and open process, voted against the Juvenile
Justice bill and voted against common-sense [sic] gun control
legislation." -- House Speaker Denny Hastert, June 21, 1999
(Monday, June 21, 1999) -- House Speaker Denny Hastert is right.
The Democrats can be "thanked" for killing the anti-gun juvenile
justice bill.
Of course, Democrats were just being true to their own convictions.
They refused to vote for a bill that contained even some pro-gun
provisions, no matter how minor those provisions were. The bill
contained an amendment by Rep. Hunter (CA) to allow D.C. residents
to keep firearms in their homes; an amendment by Rep. Sessions (TX)
to let people reclaim their pawned guns without a background check
(in most cases); and an amendment by Rep. Cunningham (CA) granting
concealed carry reciprocity to off-duty and retired cops.
But the anti-gun crime bill (H.R. 2122) contained many far-reaching
gun control provisions, as well:
* It would have banned private sales of firearms at gun shows
unless the buyer submitted to a background registration check;
* The bill allowed for unlimited BATF ability to regulate and
conduct harassing inspections of gun shows-- to the point where gun
shows could be regulated out of existence;
* H.R. 2122 would have imposed mandatory "lock up your safety"
devices on all guns sold; and
* It would have banned imports of self-defense magazines that
hold more than 10 rounds.
Truly, the 280-147 vote on Friday was a victory for gun owners. But
it was a hollow one at that. Consider the statement from The
Washington Post on Sunday: "The House debate focused not on whether
gun control is necessary, but on how much gun control is necessary."
During last week's debate, it became very evident that the debate
focus has shifted, as several ugly trends emerged from the sparring
over H.R. 2122:
* Many "pro-gun" legislators and political insiders supported
both gun control amendments and final passage of the anti-gun bill.
For example, the Associated Press reported on Saturday that,
"Republican leaders and the NRA launched a furious last-minute
lobbying effort to pass the bill with the Dingell [Gun Control
'Lite'] amendment attached."
* The Republican leadership showed that it is clearly committed
to passing "some gun control." Like the flawed Ulysses hero of
Homer's epic tale, the Republican leadership is trying to enjoy the
music of the Sirens without falling prey to its curse. Likewise,
Republicans want gun control, but without offending their
conservative supporters:
"House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., told leaders in a private
meeting early Friday that passing the bill would give the GOP a
better chance at [enacting] some gun control, but not so much as to
turn off conservative campaign donors next year." -- Associated
Press, June 19, 1999
* Gun control is hardly dead in the House and Senate, and is most
likely to come up again. The Washington Post confirmed this point
yesterday:
"Democrats ... are vowing to raise the [gun control] issue
relentlessly over the coming months."
Please Stay Tuned. The battle is hardly over. Keep watching your
fax machines and email boxes as GOA will continue to alert activists
of upcoming fights. Later this week, GOA will provide a full
analysis of each firearms related amendment that was voted on last
week and will post complete voting records relating to all of these
provisions.
Final e-mail only note: As you can imagine, the GOA e-mail boxes
have been swamped throughout the last few months. Some persons have
complained that we haven't been answering their mail-- interpreting
unavoidable delays as silence on our part. We remain committed to
allowing comment mail, and to answering it whenever a response is
needed-- even to the point of hiring extra people. But new employees
must be trained (perversely *adding* to the workload rather than
easing it for the moment), and the daily flow continues to increase.
We are asking for your patience and understanding. We are also
specifically requesting that you refrain from e-mailing us to verify
quotes or rumors, do web research on your behalf, track down
sections of gun laws, or other time-consuming chores not directly
related to current legislation. Normally, we're more than happy to
oblige. But this is not a normal time.
**************
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:05:08 -0700
From: "john c. funk,jr" <j2hearts@shasta.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brotherhood
Laura,
The credo of Friendship outlined in Mr. Ambrose's book are some of the
finest I've heard. Some in the "Brotherhood" of the AMM would do well to
heed them and bear them in mind and heart rather than the nebulous and
mindless assumption that "brothers" will stick by you in times of need.
I'll take "Friendship" any day over .. brotherhood....whatever that means.
I speak from experience!!!!
John Funk
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 7:45 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Brotherhood
> 3:30 p.m. EST
>
> Gentlemen:
>
> This morning I had the good fortune of seeing Stephen Ambrose discuss
> his new book, Comrades, on the TODAY Show. During part of the segment,
> Ambrose read his personal definition of friendship.
>
> For the last few months, I have been a part of this "list." I have sat
> in the dark at my computer and read many of your posts to one another
> that deal with the brotherhood you have between you. I have been
> privileged to enjoy your sense of humor, your sense of loyalty to one
> another, and your genuine concern for one another.
>
> When I heard Ambrose's definition of friendship, it brought this
> brotherhood you share to mind. I rushed to a bookstore today, stood in
> the back with a pen and paper, and wrote down the definition. I send it
> out to each of you as a Father's Day gift.
>
>
> "Friendship is different from all other relationships. Unlike
> acquaintanceship it is based on love. Unlike lovers and married
> couples, it is free of jealousy. Unlike children and parents it knows
> neither criticism nor resentment. Friendship has no status in law.
> Business partnerships are based on a contract. So is marriage. Parents
> are bound by law, as are children. But friendship is freely entered
> into, freely given, freely exercised.
>
> Friends never cheat each other, or take advantage, or lie. Friends do
> not spy on one another, yet they have no secrets. Friends glory in each
> other's successes and are downcast by the failures. Friends minister to
> each other, nurse each other. Friends give to each other, worry about
> each other, stand always ready to help. Perfect friendship is rarely
> achieved, but at its height it is an ecstasy. For Lewis and Clark, it
> was such an ecstasy, and the critical factor in their success. But even
> at its highest, friendship is human, not godlike. For all his efforts
> and intentions, Clark could not save Lewis. But they gave each other
> everything that can be drawn from a friendship, including their finest
> moments. Through their trust of each other they put themselves into the
> top rank of world explorers. And they gave to their country its epic
> poem while introducing the American people to the American West.
>
> Best wishes,
> Laura Glise
> Atlanta
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:10:44 -0700
From: "john c. funk,jr" <j2hearts@shasta.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brotherhood
Larry,
I wish all in the "brotherhood" held you view. At best, few live it.
John Funk
- ----- Original Message -----
From: larry pendleton <yrrw@airmail.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brotherhood
> Laura,
> What Mr. Ambrose said about friendship holds true for our Brotherhood as
> well. The Brotherhood means different things to different men. Here is
> what it means to me : A real Brother is the guy you can call at 2:00 AM
in
> the middle of a work week and no matter what the reason or the distance,
you
> know before you ever drop the quarter in the phone that he is going to
bust
> ass to get there and do what ever he can to help. He is the guy that you
> can call, and tell him your wife or your kids need help and you can't get
> there, and before you even ask you know he'll care take of them for you
till
> you
> can get there. That is a rather crude way of saying it, and I hope that
> you can understand what I'm trying to say.
> Pendleton #1572
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net>
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:38 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: Brotherhood
>
>
> >3:30 p.m. EST
> >
> >Gentlemen:
> >
> > This morning I had the good fortune of seeing Stephen Ambrose discuss
> >his new book, Comrades, on the TODAY Show. During part of the segment,
> >Ambrose read his personal definition of friendship.
> >
> > For the last few months, I have been a part of this "list." I have sat
> >in the dark at my computer and read many of your posts to one another
> >that deal with the brotherhood you have between you. I have been
> >privileged to enjoy your sense of humor, your sense of loyalty to one
> >another, and your genuine concern for one another.
> >
> > When I heard Ambrose's definition of friendship, it brought this
> >brotherhood you share to mind. I rushed to a bookstore today, stood in
> >the back with a pen and paper, and wrote down the definition. I send it
> >out to each of you as a Father's Day gift.
> >
> >
> > "Friendship is different from all other relationships. Unlike
> >acquaintanceship it is based on love. Unlike lovers and married
> >couples, it is free of jealousy. Unlike children and parents it knows
> >neither criticism nor resentment. Friendship has no status in law.
> >Business partnerships are based on a contract. So is marriage. Parents
> >are bound by law, as are children. But friendship is freely entered
> >into, freely given, freely exercised.
> >
> > Friends never cheat each other, or take advantage, or lie. Friends do
> >not spy on one another, yet they have no secrets. Friends glory in each
> >other's successes and are downcast by the failures. Friends minister to
> >each other, nurse each other. Friends give to each other, worry about
> >each other, stand always ready to help. Perfect friendship is rarely
> >achieved, but at its height it is an ecstasy. For Lewis and Clark, it
> >was such an ecstasy, and the critical factor in their success. But even
> >at its highest, friendship is human, not godlike. For all his efforts
> >and intentions, Clark could not save Lewis. But they gave each other
> >everything that can be drawn from a friendship, including their finest
> >moments. Through their trust of each other they put themselves into the
> >top rank of world explorers. And they gave to their country its epic
> >poem while introducing the American people to the American West.
> >
> >Best wishes,
> >Laura Glise
> >Atlanta
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:20:03 -0700
From: "john c. funk,jr" <j2hearts@shasta.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Big John Hunt
Dave,
Tis I John Funk (not John Hunt) that has a hankering to build a double
flint. Whatcha got??
John
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <ThisOldFox@aol.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 2:37 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Big John Hunt
> Big John,
>
> Please contact me privately concerning your dbl. barrel flint shotgun
project.
> I just picked up 6 sets of old modern barrels which could provide the
basis
> for your gun if you are interested. (cheap)
>
> Dave Kanger
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:57:33 -0600
From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl)
Subject: MtMan-List: Hide cleaning
I would be happy to assist any AMM members attending camp with free hide
cleaning before or after the event. There are limits as to what we can do
with some hides. But a general tumbling cageing and combing does wonders.
We have special equipment to process the hides. You are welcome to a tour
of our tannery.
Safe travels. We are located on the west end of Dubois next to Super 8
You asking about Buck's store, it no longer is in business, but was a kick when in operation, a period building with the fake square front like seen in the old movies, horse corrals with live stock, blacksmith area, hawk targets plus a local buckskinner group there most weekends.
The store was called "Buckhorn Rendevzous", located outside of Loveland CO, probably one of the best muzzleloading, mountainman stores in the west. They carried everything from traps, furs, clothing to quality muzzleloaders to customs ones. The manager did custom bead work - held classes too, had a blacksmith on weekends, sponsored a local club with monthly shoots, furnished a 300 acre site for shooting and camping. Started and sponsored the Colorado Small Bore Championships, as well as sponsoring a co-ed Boy Scout Exployer group (mountainman style).
This was the "in place" for mountainmen to be from the mid 1980's until the early 1990's, Buck's regular work had moved 75 miles away - after driving a 150 miles round trip a day for 5 years, then working in the store at night, he flat wore out. He sold the store inventory, furnishings and moved down to Green Mountain (near Denver in the foothills), now the home of his mail order business - Clark & Sons Mercantile.
The list of and things going on was really something, people just kept coming in and adding to the surroundings, sad to see it close. Many that enjoyed this experience have tried to talk Buck into doing it again, and knowing him I think in a few years when he's retired he will do it again, bigger and better than before.
Thanks for asking, brought back good memories.
Turtle
PS
Buck won't like this I'm sure, but have had several ask about the Buckhorn store, so I'll try and answer everyone at once with the hist_list.
_______________________________
> On Mon, 21 June 1999, "Carpenter, Ken" wrote:
>
> Hey Turtle:
> Saw your reference to "Buck's store" on the Mt Man list. Is that a friend's
> store, or and actual store named Buck's store. I am asking because we are
> going to Colorado this Saturday and I want to stop at every interesting
> place there is. Is this some place that a history/Mt Man/back country/back
> road buff may enjoy. I like to find the smallest roads and towns and stop
> and take in the local color.
>
> Carp
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Date: 22 Jun 1999 08:47:56 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Second Amendment-UPDATE
Hey Buck,
Checked out the "Gun Owner's" site, good stuff - well done and easy to use.
I'm signed up and filled out the information on several of the form letters and sent them, already NRA.
Thanks
Turtle
> On Tue, 22 June 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 21 June 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
> >
> > It's time to stand and be counted, if you don't want more gun laws, register or loose what we got.
> >
> > We all have seen the numerous articles from a large group of
> > associations, organizations and groups crying about the Second
> > Amendment, for and against.
> >
> > When asking a muzzle loaders, historians, or trekkers, etc., which ever group you belong to, "what do you belong to" most will probably say a local club, a trekking group or the National Muzzle Loading Association. Strange how in many of these surveys, only a few mention the groups that actually do lobby and fight for the Second Amendment, like the National Rifle Association (membership dues), the Gun Owner's of America (free internet service that puts the word out with alerts per state).
> >
> > We as gun owners, gun users, gun collectors, hunters, sportsman, etc., you need to consider what's important and who is fighting for your/our's rights at home and in Washington D.C. .
> >
> > More now than ever before is the need to join up, recruit and let your voice be heard about issues dealing with any of the Amendments. Don't let these Articles of Freedom slip through our fingers that our forefather's fought and died for. Stand and be counted, now is the time.
> >
> > Now we got some attention getters with Charlton Heston, Robert Stack and several others from Hollywood (in the past most of these mammy pammy acters were against guns), the NRA has an excellent staff of advisors like Wayne LaPierre and a list of others as long as your arm.
> > ________________________
> > National Rifle Association
> > 11250 Waples Mill Road
> > Fairfax, Va 22030-9400
> >
> > Gun Owners of America
> > http://www.gunowners.org
> > good information, form letters, senate and house member address and e-mails. Weekly e-mails of problems in the state, local and government services.
> > ________________________
> > This is no baloney sales pitch, your help is needed - don't kiss it off like many of you have in the past.
> >
> > Buck Conner
> > NRA Life Member
> > Gun Owners of America
> > Colorado Gun Owners Association
> > American Mountain Men Association
> >
> AN EXAMPLE OF THE GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA MAILINGS.
>
> Gun Owners Win Major House Battle
> --But some Republicans still plugging for gun control
>
> Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert
> 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
> Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
> http://www.gunowners.org
>
>
> "I am disappointed . . . [with] the vast majority of Democrats [who]
> voted against a fair and open process, voted against the Juvenile
> Justice bill and voted against common-sense [sic] gun control
> legislation." -- House Speaker Denny Hastert, June 21, 1999
>
> (Monday, June 21, 1999) -- House Speaker Denny Hastert is right.
> The Democrats can be "thanked" for killing the anti-gun juvenile
> justice bill.
>
> Of course, Democrats were just being true to their own convictions.
> They refused to vote for a bill that contained even some pro-gun
> provisions, no matter how minor those provisions were. The bill
> contained an amendment by Rep. Hunter (CA) to allow D.C. residents
> to keep firearms in their homes; an amendment by Rep. Sessions (TX)
> to let people reclaim their pawned guns without a background check
> (in most cases); and an amendment by Rep. Cunningham (CA) granting
> concealed carry reciprocity to off-duty and retired cops.
>
> But the anti-gun crime bill (H.R. 2122) contained many far-reaching
> gun control provisions, as well:
>
> * It would have banned private sales of firearms at gun shows
> unless the buyer submitted to a background registration check;
>
> * The bill allowed for unlimited BATF ability to regulate and
> conduct harassing inspections of gun shows-- to the point where gun
> shows could be regulated out of existence;
>
> * H.R. 2122 would have imposed mandatory "lock up your safety"
> devices on all guns sold; and
>
> * It would have banned imports of self-defense magazines that
> hold more than 10 rounds.
>
> Truly, the 280-147 vote on Friday was a victory for gun owners. But
> it was a hollow one at that. Consider the statement from The
> Washington Post on Sunday: "The House debate focused not on whether
> gun control is necessary, but on how much gun control is necessary."
> During last week's debate, it became very evident that the debate
> focus has shifted, as several ugly trends emerged from the sparring
> over H.R. 2122:
>
> * Many "pro-gun" legislators and political insiders supported
> both gun control amendments and final passage of the anti-gun bill.
> For example, the Associated Press reported on Saturday that,
>
> "Republican leaders and the NRA launched a furious last-minute
> lobbying effort to pass the bill with the Dingell [Gun Control
> 'Lite'] amendment attached."
>
> * The Republican leadership showed that it is clearly committed
> to passing "some gun control." Like the flawed Ulysses hero of
> Homer's epic tale, the Republican leadership is trying to enjoy the
> music of the Sirens without falling prey to its curse. Likewise,
> Republicans want gun control, but without offending their
> conservative supporters:
>
> "House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., told leaders in a private
> meeting early Friday that passing the bill would give the GOP a
> better chance at [enacting] some gun control, but not so much as to
> turn off conservative campaign donors next year." -- Associated
> Press, June 19, 1999
>
> * Gun control is hardly dead in the House and Senate, and is most
> likely to come up again. The Washington Post confirmed this point
> yesterday:
>
> "Democrats ... are vowing to raise the [gun control] issue
> relentlessly over the coming months."
>
>
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Date: 22 Jun 1999 10:53:40 -0700
From: <powderhawk@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buck's store
Well friends, I think Lee "Turtle" Boyer - now in PA (a former member of the club he mentioned) has said it all about this place, when living in Colorado back then it was the place to be, many of us members (and not members) would never take the take the smoke poles or skins out of the truck, because we knew we would go there after work on the way home, or be there on the weekends - our wives would just call Buck when we were needed. They figured it was better than in the bar.
Powderhawk
Iowa Territory
> On Tue, 22 June 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> Ken,
> You asking about Buck's store, it no longer is in business, but was a kick when in operation, a period building with the fake square front like seen in the old movies, horse corrals with live stock, blacksmith area, hawk targets plus a local buckskinner group there most weekends.
>
> The store was called "Buckhorn Rendevzous", located outside of Loveland CO, probably one of the best muzzleloading, mountainman stores in the west. They carried everything from traps, furs, clothing to quality muzzleloaders to customs ones. The manager did custom bead work - held classes too, had a blacksmith on weekends, sponsored a local club with monthly shoots, furnished a 300 acre site for shooting and camping. Started and sponsored the Colorado Small Bore Championships, as well as sponsoring a co-ed Boy Scout Exployer group (mountainman style).
>
> This was the "in place" for mountainmen to be from the mid 1980's until the early 1990's, Buck's regular work had moved 75 miles away - after driving a 150 miles round trip a day for 5 years, then working in the store at night, he flat wore out. He sold the store inventory, furnishings and moved down to Green Mountain (near Denver in the foothills), now the home of his mail order business - Clark & Sons Mercantile.
>
> The list of and things going on was really something, people just kept coming in and adding to the surroundings, sad to see it close. Many that enjoyed this experience have tried to talk Buck into doing it again, and knowing him I think in a few years when he's retired he will do it again, bigger and better than before.
>
> Thanks for asking, brought back good memories.
>
> Turtle
>
> PS
> Buck won't like this I'm sure, but have had several ask about the Buckhorn store, so I'll try and answer everyone at once with the hist_list.
> _______________________________
>
> > On Mon, 21 June 1999, "Carpenter, Ken" wrote:
> >
> > Hey Turtle:
> > Saw your reference to "Buck's store" on the Mt Man list. Is that a friend's
> > store, or and actual store named Buck's store. I am asking because we are
> > going to Colorado this Saturday and I want to stop at every interesting
> > place there is. Is this some place that a history/Mt Man/back country/back
> > road buff may enjoy. I like to find the smallest roads and towns and stop
> > and take in the local color.
> >
> > Carp
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:31:16 -0700
From: "Sidney Porter" <sidney@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!! I wanna go!!!!!!!!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
Look for me, Todd. Most likely I will be the largest person there (if Tree
Wood doesn't come...he is taller but I am a little heavier). I will be
there by Tuesday afternoon.
Lanney Ratcliff
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <TetonTod@aol.com>
To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 12:28 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: AMM Western Rendezvous
> How many of you fine brothers will be at the Rendezvous this coming
weekend?
> I should be there on Sunday night or Monday morning and staying all next
week.
> Will be camping with the Poison River Party. Sure would like to meet some
of
> you and put faces to the names.
>
> HOORAH FOR RENDEZVOUS!!!!!!!
>
> Todd Glover
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:45:47 -0700
From: "Sidney Porter" <sidney@htcomp.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Something to think about - (off topic) Edited
As the parent of one young adult and two teenagers, I cannot imagine how
these two boys could have been doing all they were doing, and their parents
be so totally clueless. Just goes to show that some people shouldn't be
allowed to have children. If I could send one message to the world in hopes
that SOMEONE would listen, it would be, "Love your children, not with
material things, but with your time and attention!!!"
TESTIMONY OF DARRELL SCOTT - FATHER OF TWO VICTIMS OF COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL
SHOOTING - LITTLETON, COLORADO BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON CRIME - HOUSE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE - UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THURSDAY, MAY
27,1999 2:00 P.M. - 2141 RAYBURN HOUSE OFFICE BUILDING
Since the dawn of creation there has been both good and evil in the heart
of men and of women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of
violence. The death of my wonderful daughter Rachel Joy Scott, and the
deaths of that heroic teacher and the other children who died must not be in
vain. Their blood cries out for answers. The first recorded act of
violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain
was not the club he used. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club
Association. The true killer was Cain and the reason for the murder could
only be found in Cain's heart.
In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly
fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member
of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to
represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are
responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they
need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's
murder, I would be their strongest opponent. I am here today to declare
that Columbine was not just a tragedy - it was a spiritual event that should
be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies!
Much of that blame lies here in this room. Much of that blame lies behind
the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four
nights ago that express my feelings best. This was written way before I knew
l would be speaking here today.
Your laws ignore our deepest needs
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage.
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms.
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere.
And ask the question "WHY"?
You regulate restrictive laws.
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand.
That God is what we need!
Men and women are three part beings. We all consist of body, soul, and
spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our makeup, we create
a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc.
Spiritual influences were present within our educational Systems for most of
our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological
seminaries. This is a historic fact. What has happened to us as a nation?
We have refused to honor God and in doing so, we open the doors to hatred
and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy
occurs - - politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA.
They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that continue to erode
away our personal and private liberties.
We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been
stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who
spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within
our OWN hearts. Political posturing and restrictive legislation is not the
answer. The young people of our nation hold the key. There is a spiritual
awakening taking place that will not be squelched!
We do not need more religion. We do not need more gaudy Television
evangelists spewing out verrbal religious garbage. We do not need more
million dollar church buildings built while people with basic needs are
being ignored. We do need a change of heart and a humble acknowledgment
that this nation was founded on the principle of simple trust in God.
As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two
friends murdered before his very eyes. He did not hesitate to pray in
school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge
every young person in America and around the world to realize that on April
20, 1999 at Columbine High School - - prayer was brought back to our
schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain.
Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for
legislation that violates your conscience and denies your God-given right to
communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the
NRA - I give to you sincere challenge. Dare to examine your own heart before
you cast the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain. The young people of this country
will not allow that to happen.
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