> >Many of the brothers have made this trip from Ft. Benton passed Judith Landing and further >south on the Upper Missouri, reading what has been stated almost 200 years before brings back >fond memories of this land and what we have all seen - then and now.
>
> > If you have never made this trip please write it down as a "must adventure to do",
Absolutely. I made the trip from Ft. Benton to Judith landing last year with some
members of the Les Miserables Primitives, and the CoHT, and I was awed by the
area. We camped on several L&C sites, on the anniversary of L&C's stay on
those same sites. Laid over at the white cliffs two days, and found the pictograph
of the horse on the bluff near Eagle creek, as well as the lodge rings on the hill
above the campsite, and attended a healing sweat lodge run by a traditional
Tarahumara healer. The view from the top of of the bluffs across from the
camp area is awesome Good stuff. I highly recommend that trip
Your Servant
John D.
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:46:09 EDT
From: Rkleinx2@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: needle gun
Hello to all,
In Garcia's book ' Tough Trip Through Paradise 1878-1879' he mentions
"needle guns". Would someone please tell me what a 'needle gun' is?
Also he writes about a 'three and a half shuttler wagon'. What kind of a
wagon is /
was that?. (did he mean 'suttler wagon'?)
Thanks for any info.
Dick
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:10:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: Mtman-List: Little Bighorn Battlefield comments, etc.
The battle was fought on Sunday June 25th, 1876. Many others also have
testified that it is a mysterious place of both good spirits and
unfortunately bad ones as is representatve of Mother Earth today. But
in the end (thanks be to God the Great Spirit Father) the good will
triumph. The same feelings can be felt at Gettysburg on July 1-3 or at
Antietam [Maryland] on Sep.17. They are the result of great cataclysmic
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:18:55 -0600
From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TV & film (was: New Book)
buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
>>At the Mountain Men, Drums Along the Platte, Centennial, Black Robe and a
few "B" rated movies, as well as TV specials that we have been in; makeup
people as well as special clothing people will try and change your personal
clothing to meet what their paperwork says you should look like....They seem
to want to make everyone look dirty even at rendezvous, Jerry Crandall
(historical research, commerical artists, etc.) talked until blue in the
face about being wrong, he got no where, as others have found.<<
Yes, but! Jeff and I recently had a chance to work with a CBC TV crew for a
day; since the CBC's group was very small (by the time they got to us, they
were finished all the other shooting in the mountains), we had a chance to
talk with the assistant producer about this.He explained that the thick
coating of fuller's earth they put onto Jeff's hands wasn't to make Jeff's
hands look "dirty", but to make sure they looked normal. Film and video are
less sensitive (i.e. show a smaller range of light to dark) than the human
eye; light colours will appear snow white, and white will appear "whiter
than white", on the final product unless it is darkened down beforehand. So
capotes and hands had to be made a deep tan/peachy colour. I was allowed to
take pictures of the filming; when my film was developed, the capotes and
hands were _much_ lighter than they had been in "real life".
This isn't to suggest that the TV/film industry never makes mistakes; but
rather, that sometimes they do know what they're doing, although it may seem
very strange at first. (That doesn't mean you should let them use leather
dye on your buckskins, though!)
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: 7 Jun 1999 08:22:14 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: An Apology needed
To Michael Terry and the history_list several of us have made a terrible mistake, apparently there are several gentlemen with like names. The person referred to was not the gentlemen that is the writer of the book mentioned earlier on this list, so I've been informed, his name was Mike Terry ! Close but a big mistake and poor Michael Terry got blasted by mistake, I am sorry, and please Michael and the hist_list except my apology in this matter.
Like the old saying goes, "get your facts straight", and as shown I saw the name and was thinking of another person and not the gentlemen mentioned.
Again please except my apologies for the blunder Bad Hand.
Buck Conner
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Date: 7 Jun 1999 10:22:52 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TV & film (was: New Book)
On Mon, 07 June 1999, Angela Gottfred wrote:
> This isn't to suggest that the TV/film industry never makes mistakes; but
> rather, that sometimes they do know what they're doing, although it may seem
> very strange at first. (That doesn't mean you should let them use leather
> dye on your buckskins, though!)
>
I agree that some do know what's going on, and then again have seen others do some real screw-ups, like used motor oil on a nice birch bark canoe (thank goodness it was their's), the leather dye on brain tanned, along with other questionable acts. I quess as long as it's not personal to you, so whatever.
Buck Conner
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Date: 7 Jun 1999 17:02:09 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: An Apology needed
I guess I need to say sorry also, and please Michael and the hist_list except my apology in this matter. I guess "lather" is a bad word !
Michael and Mike are darn close for names, who would have thought different.
Turtle.
>
> Like the old saying goes, "get your facts straight", and as shown I saw the name and was thinking of another person and not the gentlemen mentioned.
>
> Again please except my apologies for the blunder Bad Hand.
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