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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:37:00 -0400
From: Michael Pierce <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Mtman-List: sharpening razors, fire making

On Fri, 28 May 1999 00:03:56 -0700 [e-mail] writes:
>I just received my  June 1999 issue of Muzzle Blasts.  In it is an
>article on sharpening straight Razors.  Thought this was interesting,
>as we have been talking about razors, and i had sent out some articles
>on razors.  Check  out Muzzle loader if you are interested in Straight
>razors.  This is the best issue of M B In awhile, lots of good
>articles..  Hardtack

HARDTACK:
there is also a good article on fire making and flint and steel in this
issue it might answer some questions for some of you guys---the write
up's that R. Parker & cpt lathi did about 6 mo. ago and posted  is much
better and covers a broader span but i may be bias in my authors---R.
Parker  on 2-19-98 and CPT Lathi  a bit later did sone of the best
articles i have seen on the fire making-they told it like it is and easy
to understand---both are good writers-----they even got into the
different kinds of char  and such---I follow their thoughts on
this---natural stuff that was redily available--they wernt interested in
making a 10 second fire as in compitition only getting one started in
different conditions---in fire making compitition you got to think and of
one strike of the steel and one blow or breath of air---start slow and
build up the flow of air  and hold the nest up and blow the fire into the
nest---or you wont have the short time required for the match.

good dry & proper materials is the key along with a flint &steel that
will make crackeling sparks that will go from your waste to the floor.
the sharp flint will make it happen---and set that punk to smokeing---I
like the hemp or the inner bark of the red ceader the best because that
is what is the easiest available for me in the areas that i am in most of
the time for the nest but the western guys use other things that are
available in their area---remember it  must be as dry as possible---thats
why my firebox is almost waterproof in the fit of the lid to the
can---then i use the lid to hold my nest and not get it damp in wet
weather

I can repost R. Parkers article if anyone is interested its pretty good I
think


      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
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Palm Harbor, florida   34684
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Date: 28 May 1999 07:28:08 -0700
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint shotgun, Hellooooooooo !!!

John,
As others have stated double flint guns go high, I've sold originals in good shape in the $1500 to $2000 range, and poor condition ones as cheap as $750 that needed restocking.

I picked up a reproduction gun a few years ago, in good condition, shot very little for $900, have seen Dixie Gun Works have a double once in a while (reproduction) in their Antique Gun Quartely in the $1500 to $2500 range. These weapons are costly no matter who built them.

Later
Buck Conner
dba/Clark & Sons Mercantile
www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
_________________________________
On Thu, 27 May 1999, "john c. funk,jr" wrote:

>
> OK ! That didn't get much response.  Does anyone know of a builder that builds "flint" shotguns?
>
> I want a FLINT SHOTGUN !!!!  I'd rather build it myself but I'll listen to anything at this point.
>
>
>
> John Funk


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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:55:20 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:51:57 -0500

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:04:47 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint shotgun "kits"

steve lodding is, IIRC,  connected with JP Gunstocks in Nevada.  They do
built some ultra fine guns.  check a muzzleloader mag for their ad. yhs,
Barney Fife

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:22:54 +0000
From: Laura Rugel Glise <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:51:57 -0500

Pinedale, Wyoming

I liked the gift shop and the book selection.  A couple of years ago
they had a special guest speaker, Michael Terry, in conjunction with
their Rendezvous reenactment (cosponsored by the Wyoming Humanities
Council).  I have found some inaccuracies, but you have to admire them
for their commitment.  I personally prefer the Chadron Museum, there is
no, NO, comparison.  The museum in Pinedale is for tourists.  The museum
in Chadron is for scholars.

Best wishes,

Laura Glise
Atlanta

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:26:12 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Straight Razors

heres a good source Taylor's Trading Post, owned by Jim 'Turtle' Taylor out
of San Diego, CA.  E-mail is [e-mail]; mailing is 2843
Deerpark Drive, San Diego CA 92110, phone [phone].   just saw Jim at a
local rondy, and he had some beauty's.   hope this helps,  Barney.

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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 07:15:32 -0700
From: "john c. funk,jr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint shotgun "kits"

Pat, Mike, Larry, Buck & Barney,
Thanks for the "flint"shotgun input.  I will continue to research the
possibilities with the information you've provided.  I really prefer to 'do
it myself' if possible.  Been building guns for more than twenty years so I
know it's possible.....if I can find a source for parts.  I'm surprised that
Track doesn't produce one.  Will have to talk with Mark about the
possibilities.  As we all know, the double shotgun was somewhat prevalent in
the early days carried by Bridger, Beckwourth, Carson (though he carried a
percussion at times) and the like.
Thanks again,

John Funk


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From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 1999 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flint shotgun "kits"


> steve lodding is, IIRC,  connected with JP Gunstocks in Nevada.  They do
> built some ultra fine guns.  check a muzzleloader mag for their ad. yhs,
> Barney Fife
>
>

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 03:25:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: OT - GOV'T INTERFERENCE IN E-MAIL - THIS IS NO JOKE

Dear Internet Subscriber:   Please read the following carefully if you intend
to stay online and continue using email: The last few months have revealed an
alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly
push through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet.  Under
proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be attempting to bilk email
users out of "alternate postage fees".   Bill 602P will permit the Federal
Govt to charge a 5 cent surcharge on every email delivered, by billing
Internet Service
Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP.
Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this
legislation from becoming law. The U.S. Postal Service is claiming that lost
revenue due to the proliferation of email is costing nearly $230,000,000 in
revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign "There is
nothing like a letter". Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces of
email per day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be an
additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above and beyond
their regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money paid directly to
the U.S. Postal
Service for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the
Internet is democracy and non-interference.  If the federal  government is
permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to email, who
knows where it will end. You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail
mail because of bureacratic efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a
letter to be delivered from New York to Buffalo. If the U.S. Postal Service
is allowed to tinker with email, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet
in the United States.
One congressman, Tony Schnell (r) has even suggested a  "twenty to forty
dollar per month surcharge on all  Internet service" above and beyond the
government's proposed email charges. Note that most of the major newspapers
have ignored the story, the only exception
being the Washingtonian which called the idea of email surcharge "a useful
concept who's time has come"   March 6th 1999 Editorial) Don't sit by and
watch your freedoms erode away!  Send this email to all Americans on your
list and tell your friends and relatives to write to their congressman and
say "No!" to Bill 602P.
>
Kate Turner Assistant to Richard Stepp, Berger, Stepp and Gorman
Attorneys at Law 216 Concorde Street, Vienna, Va.
 >

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 01:54:38 -0700
From: mkDragon <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Yet another HOAX!

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Dear Internet Subscriber:   Please read the following carefully if you intend
> to stay online and continue using email: The last few months have revealed an
> alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly
> push through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet.  Under
> proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be attempting to bilk email
> users out of "alternate postage fees".   Bill 602P will permit the Federal
> Govt to charge a 5 cent surcharge on every email delivered, by billing
> Internet Service
> Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP.
> Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this
> legislation from becoming law. The U.S. Postal Service is claiming that lost
> revenue due to the proliferation of email is costing nearly $230,000,000 in
> revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign "There is
> nothing like a letter". Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces of
> email per day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be an
> additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above and beyond
> their regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money paid directly to
> the U.S. Postal
> Service for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the
> Internet is democracy and non-interference.  If the federal  government is
> permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to email, who
> knows where it will end. You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail
> mail because of bureacratic efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a
> letter to be delivered from New York to Buffalo. If the U.S. Postal Service
> is allowed to tinker with email, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet
> in the United States.
> One congressman, Tony Schnell (r) has even suggested a  "twenty to forty
> dollar per month surcharge on all  Internet service" above and beyond the
> government's proposed email charges. Note that most of the major newspapers
> have ignored the story, the only exception
> being the Washingtonian which called the idea of email surcharge "a useful
> concept who's time has come"   March 6th 1999 Editorial) Don't sit by and
> watch your freedoms erode away!  Send this email to all Americans on your
> list and tell your friends and relatives to write to their congressman and
> say "No!" to Bill 602P.
> >
> Kate Turner Assistant to Richard Stepp, Berger, Stepp and Gorman
> Attorneys at Law 216 Concorde Street, Vienna, Va.
>  >

There is no Bill 602P.  There is no law firm named Berger,Stepp
and Gorman.  This is a hoax taken from a Canadian hoax.  Please
check these things out with a Hoax site.  There are many on the
Web.  I've seen this one about a dozen times this week.
Sometimes they sure look real, don't they?

Butch


- --
I don't want to be your lullaby.
Michelle Kwan

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 03:29:47 +0000
From: Joseph Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - GOV'T INTERFERENCE IN E-MAIL - THIS IS NO JOKE

historyList,
A false rumor was sent to this list about a US Postal tax on Internet
users:

[e-mail] Sent:
<SNIP>
U.S. Postal Service will be attempting to bilk email users out of
"alternate postage fees".   Bill 602P will permit the Federal <SNIP>


This one has its roots way back in 1997. The Institution has changed and
the governments have changes but it is still an Urban Legend and FALSE
INFO.
Please, check out info before you pass it on to any list or anyone else.

Check the US Congress bill number(Bill 602P) it is same as Canadian
Bill(Bill 602P) below.
Also, check out attorney and firm; Look familiar??

Save you from having Egg On Your Face.
Joseeph Miller
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http://www.urbanlegends.com/select.cgi?target=3Dsearch%2Fsearch.html

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=3D483455437&CONTEXT=3D928055123.13249=
41392&hitnum=3D0
Post Office Charges for E-mail Vector.=A0=20
Author: Don <[e-mail]>
Date: 1999/05/29
Forum: alt.folklore.urban=20

The FALSE [3] rumour that the USPS [1] is going to start charging for
e-mail [2] was an e-mail question asked to CNN correspondent Bob Franken
this morning. They didn't either know the fact to debunk it, or didn't
bother to anyway.=20

1: United States Postal service.

2: or Congress was going to impose a tax, or blind cave fish from the
planet quagron are going to impose the tax, whatever.

3: This rumour is false, check out deja.com, better yet try
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html as a means of searching
the newer uglier deja.com we've done several extensive debunkings of
this, and no it's not true. No it's not true in Canada either. Nope, not
Australia either. Nope not there either. Not there either.

PS The modem tax is false to.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Here is one first stating Canada was istituting an Internet tax

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Canada Post charging for e-mail use...=A0=20
Author: Paul Fedorenko <[e-mail]>
Date: 1999/04/14
Forum: alt.folklore.urban
http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=3D466551626&CONTEXT=3D928055404.13529=
25237&hitnum=3D1

Dear Internet Subscriber:
> >
Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online and
 continue using email:
> >
The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the
Government of Canada attempting to quietly push through legislation
that will affect your use of the Internet. Under proposed legislation
Canada
Post will be attempting to bilk email users out of "alternate postage
fees".
> >
Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt to charge a 5 cent surcharge
on every email delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at
source.  The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP.
Toronto lawyer Richard Stepp QC is working without pay to prevent this
legislation from becoming law.
> >
The Canada Post Corporation is claiming that lost revenue due to
the proliferation of email is costing nearly $23,000,000 in revenue
per year. You may have noticed Canada Post's recent ad campaign "There
is nothing like a letter". Since the average citizen received about 10
pieces of email per day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual
would
be an additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above
 and beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that this would be
money paid directly to Canada Post for a service they do not even
provide.
 > >
The whole point of the Internet is democracy and non-interference.
If the Canadian Government is permitted to tamper with our liberties by
adding a surcharge to email, who knows where it will end. You are
already paying an exhorbitant price for snail mail because of
beaurocratic
inefficiency.
> >
It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from
Mississauga to Scarborough.  If Canada Post Corporation is allowed
to tinker with email, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in

Canada.  One back-bencher, Liberal Tony Schnell (NB) has even
suggested a "twenty to forty dollar per month surcharge on all Internet
service"
above and beyond the government's proposed email charges. Note that most
of the major newspapers have ignored the story, the only exception
being the Toronto Star that called the idea of email surcharge "a useful
concept who's time has come" (March 6th 1999 Editorial) Don't sit by
and watch your freedoms erode away! Send this email to all Canadians on
your list and tell your friends and relatives to write to their MP and
say=20
"No!" to Bill 602P.
> >
 Kate Turner
 Assistant to Richard Stepp QC
 Berger, Stepp and Gorman
 Barristers at Law
 216 Bay Street
 Toronto, ON
 MlL 3C6



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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 07:38:21 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Yet another HOAX!

Have you noticed that when the subject line has "This is no joke", or =
something similar, that the likelyhood that it is a hoax is =
expotientially greater?  Just as when suspicious schemes (like chain =
letters) say "This is perfectly legal", one can assume that they are =
ILLEGAL.  Most of these things are concocted by dweebs with no life (I =
always imagine that they look like Jaba the Hut and are sitting in their =
dirty underwear in a dark room---but they probably look like the kid =
your kid is dating) who spend their time trying to create confusion and =
panic on the net.  Well meaning people are duped by their chicanery and =
pass the information along with only the best of intentions.  A little =
egg on your face is a cheap enough price for the lesson learned.
Been there, done that
Lanney Ratcliff
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: mkDragon <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 3:54 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Yet another HOAX!


> [e-mail] wrote:
> >=20
> > Dear Internet Subscriber:   Please read the following carefully if =
you intend
> > to stay online and continue using email: The last few months have =
revealed an
> > alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting to =
quietly
> > push through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet.  =
Under
> > proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be attempting to =
bilk email
> > users out of "alternate postage fees".   Bill 602P will permit the =
Federal
> > Govt to charge a 5 cent surcharge on every email delivered, by =
billing
> > Internet Service
> > Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by =
the ISP.
> > Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to =
prevent this
> > legislation from becoming law. The U.S. Postal Service is claiming =
that lost
> > revenue due to the proliferation of email is costing nearly =
$230,000,000 in
> > revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign =
"There is
> > nothing like a letter". Since the average citizen received about 10 =
pieces of
> > email per day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be =
an
> > additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above =
and beyond
> > their regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money paid =
directly to
> > the U.S. Postal
> > Service for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of =
the
> > Internet is democracy and non-interference.  If the federal  =
government is
> > permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to =
email, who
> > knows where it will end. You are already paying an exorbitant price =
for snail
> > mail because of bureacratic efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 =
days for a
> > letter to be delivered from New York to Buffalo. If the U.S. Postal =
Service
> > is allowed to tinker with email, it will mark the end of the "free" =
Internet
> > in the United States.
> > One congressman, Tony Schnell (r) has even suggested a  "twenty to =
forty
> > dollar per month surcharge on all  Internet service" above and =
beyond the
> > government's proposed email charges. Note that most of the major =
newspapers
> > have ignored the story, the only exception
> > being the Washingtonian which called the idea of email surcharge "a =
useful
> > concept who's time has come"   March 6th 1999 Editorial) Don't sit =
by and
> > watch your freedoms erode away!  Send this email to all Americans on =
your
> > list and tell your friends and relatives to write to their =
congressman and
> > say "No!" to Bill 602P.
> > >
> > Kate Turner Assistant to Richard Stepp, Berger, Stepp and Gorman
> > Attorneys at Law 216 Concorde Street, Vienna, Va.
> >  >
>=20
> There is no Bill 602P.  There is no law firm named Berger,Stepp
> and Gorman.  This is a hoax taken from a Canadian hoax.  Please
> check these things out with a Hoax site.  There are many on the
> Web.  I've seen this one about a dozen times this week.=20
> Sometimes they sure look real, don't they?
>=20
> Butch
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> I don't want to be your lullaby.
> Michelle Kwan
>=20

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 09:43:25 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - GOV'T INTERFERENCE IN E-MAIL - THIS IS NO JOKE

Recently, this was true.  However, in the last two weeks I received a two
page letter from my Congressman, Steve Chabot, thanking me for my interest in
this issue.  He advised me that congess has passed an act prohibiting any
taxation on internet usage for the next two years.(sorry I cannot recall the
name of the act and did not keep the letter)

Also, I believe the major impetus for the tax was the telephone industry not
the postal service.

Red Hawk

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