>disorder of the bone marrow, which causes an overproduction of all three
>blood cell lines: white blood cells, red blood cells, and platelets.
> It is a rare disorder, occurring more frequently in men, and is rarely seen
>in those under 40 years old. Its cause is unknown, and the disease is
>considered a hematologic malignancy.
True, but that's not what is being discussed, here. The pivotal word is
that "vera". There are many perfectly normal reasons why a person can
develope a "relative" polycythemia, that are in no way pathological. For
instance, when the olympics were held in Mexico City, which is a mile high,
the athletes from low regions made every effort to go there weeks early to
train, so that their bodies might have time to develope the normal
polycythemia that goes with living at high altitude. Their blood counts
would quickly return to their usual level once they returned home.
The reason most people going suddenly to high altitude will feel much
better after 3-4-5 days is that their bodies dump huge quantities of new
red cells into their circulation and bring their oxygen utilization
capacities back somewhere near normal.
Again, this isn't 'polycythemia vera', which is a disease. It's a normal
adaptive process our bodies use, and happens to all of us very frequently
if we travel much betweens regions of different altitudes.
Bob Spencer <bspen@aye.net>
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Date: 10 May 99 16:40:13 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Altitude
Lanney - Moving here from Oklahoma, I had to make some adjustments
right at first, so here are a few suggestions. Some came from my wife, the
Native Coloradoan.
Take an aspirin a day for a couple of weeks before you get here.
When you get to camp, do lots of laying around and taking it easy,
especially for the first few days.
Go to a supply house and rent an oxygen bottle to bring with you.
Whenever you feel the need, go to your tent and inhale. Even if someone sees it
and trys to raise a fuss, it is medicinal. I'm quite sure there won't be
any problem, but if you need to, clear it with George or Gordon first.
Hope this helps and if you need to aclimate for a few days at a higher
altitude, you know where to do so, don't you? Don & Phyllis
DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
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Date: 10 May 1999 15:45:25 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Altitude
Don,
I think he has the laying around part down pretty good and he's always got a headache (so the aspirin a day is covered). He just has to change his brand of bottle, he's ready for the altitude.
Buck
> On Mon, 10 May 1999, Phyllis and Don Keas wrote:
>
> Lanney - Moving here from Oklahoma, I had to make some adjustments
> right at first, so here are a few suggestions. Some came from my wife, the
> Native Coloradoan.
>
> Take an aspirin a day for a couple of weeks before you get here.
> When you get to camp, do lots of laying around and taking it easy,
> especially for the first few days.
> Go to a supply house and rent an oxygen bottle to bring with you.
> Whenever you feel the need, go to your tent and inhale. Even if someone sees it
> and trys to raise a fuss, it is medicinal. I'm quite sure there won't be
> any problem, but if you need to, clear it with George or Gordon first.
>
> Hope this helps and if you need to aclimate for a few days at a higher
> altitude, you know where to do so, don't you? Don & Phyllis
>
> DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:44:10 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Yep Crow (not Blackfeet)
They's Crow!!! That's what he said!!
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Being near Denver, it's a mile high, many sport teams come early to practice before the game and get adjusted to the thin air. If you watch baseball, basketball or football you'll see the vistors with their bottles of oxygen and masks on the sidelines.
I have a friend that's a long distance runner, he flys at this altitude, but when going to Boston the altitude change and humidity almost killed him the last few miles of the race.
Your damned if you do and damned if you don't anymore.
Buck
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:05:48 EDT
From: Traphand@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Maps again
OK here i go again, the only map i ve found was in the missouri his.society's
library done by a indian
was been made of paper, Some maps with a canvas backing.But most of the maps
i have seen are on paper.I have been into maps and repro.them for about ten
years .I came across one by george sibley going to santa fe on paper i think
it was in the late 1820's.write to me off line at traphand@aol.com tell what
>Being near Denver, it's a mile high, many sport teams come early to
practice before the game and get adjusted to the thin air. If you watch
baseball, basketball or football you'll see the vistors with their bottles
of oxygen and masks on the sidelines.
If they walked there or road a horse or wagon as in the old days they would
arrive fit with no altitude problems, a bit late is all. <VBG>
>
YMOS
Cutfinger.
Friendships made.
Problems shared.
Campfires across the Wilderness
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 06:56:35 EDT
From: MIA3WOLVES@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC: altitude sickness caution
Fellow list members:
I would like to caution anyone with a heart condition to be particularly
careful when traveling through the mountains if they come from the lower
elevations.
Even though my father's doctor in Mich. advised him that he could travel to
his winter home in Ariz., the stress of the altitude going through the
mountains caused his death. I was told at the hospital in Apache Junction,
AR that every fall they have several who suffer the same fate because doctors
in lower altitude states under estimate the stress of the high altitudes.
Respectfully,
Red Hawk
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Date: 11 May 1999 08:54:38 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: altitude sickmess query
Lanney,
I will be camping near you and if needed will haul you out, remember I will have my new correct period wheelbarrow, (got the heavy duty model). Only kidding, I know how not feeling well can really take away from enjoying one's self.
At the '97 Nationals I got hit on the sciatic nerve on the back of my leg and that had me in pain for several weeks, you saw me hopping around in the parking lot. First time I met Lanney, and he's was making remarks about the big rabbit !
If you just take it easy and we can help if there's a problem, we'll be in good shape bud.
Later
YF&B
Buck Conner
________________
> On Mon, 10 May 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote:
>
>
> Thanks to all who generously responded with good information regarding altitude sickness. I got more than a little queasy at 9200 feet at the '97 AMM rendezvous, and I am sure others from low altitudes have experienced similar symptoms. I hope to have better luck this time. One request: if I get sick again and need assistance, don't let anybody field dress me before hauling me down the mountain.
>
> YMOS
>
> Lanney Ratcliff
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:26:31 -0600
From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl)
Subject: MtMan-List: life in the 1500's
A friend sent me this and I thought it was interesting. If you don't like
the 1500's, hit the delete!
Life in the 1500's:
>>>>Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May
>>>>and were still smelling pretty good by June. However, they were starting to
>>>>smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the b.o.
>>>>Baths equaled a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the
>>>>privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then
>>>>the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the
>>>>water was so dirty you could actually loose someone in it.
>>>>Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water".
>>>>Houses had thatched roofs. Thick straw, piled high, with no wood
>>>>underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the
>>>>pets... dogs, cats and other small animals, mice, rats, bugs lived in the
>>>>roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would
>>>>slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying, "It's raining cats and dogs,"
>>>>
>>>>There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a
>>>>real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could really
>>>>mess up your nice clean bed. So, they found
if
>>>>they made beds with big posts and hung a sheet over the top, it addressed
>>>>that problem.
>>>>Hence those beautiful big 4 poster beds with canopies.
>>>>The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, hence
>>>>the saying "dirt poor". The wealthy had slate floors
which
>>>>would get slippery in the winter when wet. So they spread thresh on the
>>>>floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they kept adding
>>>>more thresh until when you opened the door, it
would
>>>>all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed at the entry way,
>>>>hence a "thresh hold".
>>>>They cooked in the kitchen in a big kettle that always hung over the fire.
>>>>Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They mostly ate
>>>>vegetables and didn't get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner
>>>>leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the
>>>>next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been in there for a
>>>>month. Hence the rhyme:
peas
>>>>porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine
days
>>>>old."
>>>>Sometimes they could obtain pork and would feel really special when that
>>>>happened. When company came over, they would bring out
some
>>>>bacon and hang it to show it off. It was a sign of wealth and that
a
>>>>man "could really bring home the bacon." They would cut off a
little
>>>>to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat."
>>>>Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid content
>>>>caused some of the lead to leach onto the food. This happened most often
>>>>with tomatoes, so they stopped eating
tomatoes...
>>>>for 400 years.
>>>>Most people didn't have pewter plates, but had trenchers - a piece
of
>>>>wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. Trencher were never washed
>>>>and a lot of times worms got into the wood. After eating off wormy
>>>>trenchers, they would get "trench mouth."
>>>>Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the
>>>>loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the "upper
>>>>crust".
>>>>Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would
>>>>sometimes knock them out for a couple of days. Someone
walking
>>>>along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They
>>>>were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of
days
>>>>and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and
see
>>>>if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a "wake".
>>>>England is old and small and they started running out of places to bury
>>>>people. So, they would dig up coffins and would take their bones to a house
>>>>and re-use the grave. In reopening these coffins, one out of 25 coffins we
>>>>refound to have scratch marks on the
inside
>>>>and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they
thought
>>>>they would tie a string on their wrist and lead it through the
coffin
>>>>and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have
to
>>>>sit out in the graveyard all night to listen for the bell. Hence on the
>>>>"graveyard shift" they would know that someone was "saved by
I found some good information on your spoked wooden wheel, wheel barrow and for your information that design dates back to the 1500's. I wonder what the boys at Plymouth Rock had ?
Turtle.
> On Tue, 11 May 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> Lanney,
> I will be camping near you and if needed will haul you out, remember I will have my new correct period wheelbarrow, (got the heavy duty model). Only kidding, I know how not feeling well can really take away from enjoying one's self.
>
> At the '97 Nationals I got hit on the sciatic nerve on the back of my leg and that had me in pain for several weeks, you saw me hopping around in the parking lot. First time I met Lanney, and he's was making remarks about the big rabbit !
>
> If you just take it easy and we can help if there's a problem, we'll be in good shape bud.
>
> Later
> YF&B
> Buck Conner
> ________________
>
> > On Mon, 10 May 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks to all who generously responded with good information regarding altitude sickness. I got more than a little queasy at 9200 feet at the '97 AMM rendezvous, and I am sure others from low altitudes have experienced similar symptoms. I hope to have better luck this time. One request: if I get sick again and need assistance, don't let anybody field dress me before hauling me down the mountain.
> >
> > YMOS
> >
> > Lanney Ratcliff
>
>
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Date: 11 May 1999 12:47:31 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: altitude sickmess query
A spoked wooden wheel, wheel barrow, snail.
> On Tue, 11 May 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> Buck,
> I found some good information on your spoked wooden wheel, wheel barrow and for your information that design dates back to the 1500's. I wonder what the boys at Plymouth Rock had ?
> Turtle.
>
>
> > On Tue, 11 May 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
> >
> > Lanney,
> > I will be camping near you and if needed will haul you out, remember I will have my new correct period wheelbarrow, (got the heavy duty model). Only kidding, I know how not feeling well can really take away from enjoying one's self.
> >
> > At the '97 Nationals I got hit on the sciatic nerve on the back of my leg and that had me in pain for several weeks, you saw me hopping around in the parking lot. First time I met Lanney, and he's was making remarks about the big rabbit !
> >
> > If you just take it easy and we can help if there's a problem, we'll be in good shape bud.
> >
> > Later
> > YF&B
> > Buck Conner
> > ________________
> >
> > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks to all who generously responded with good information regarding altitude sickness. I got more than a little queasy at 9200 feet at the '97 AMM rendezvous, and I am sure others from low altitudes have experienced similar symptoms. I hope to have better luck this time. One request: if I get sick again and need assistance, don't let anybody field dress me before hauling me down the mountain.
> > >
> > > YMOS
> > >
> > > Lanney Ratcliff
> >
> >
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>
>
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Date: 11 May 1999 15:01:35 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mt Man_List Deringer
Check this page on tradeguns, manufacturers, quanitys produced, etc. : http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html
> On Sun, 09 May 1999, George Noe wrote:
> Mr. Mullen:( and others on the list)
> Thanks for your help with Treaties.
> I, like you, think Deringer's records are where I need to look.(I
> thought the treaty end of the search would justify our reason for
> needing to find Deringers records)
> Douglas Jones(AMM) said he found a little on Deringer
> and this contract several years ago. But , lost or missed placed, the
> info. He is wanting to develope a "persona" of an early S.W.
> Trader/Trapper(about 1830)
> In Grant Forman's "Pioneer Days in the Early Southwest"(A good book)
> University of Nebraska Press.
> There was plenty of trading/trapping in our area(South Central
> Oklahoma) and all around.
> "Doug has a Deringer (reproduction) that he might have
> traded from one of the Indians in the area, to justify
> his possesion of the rifle." In his presentations of "Living History"
> at schools, he wants to have a little Indian history of the area.
> Thus " a new CAN of worms"
>
>
> Any help in tracing down Deringers records?
> Let's go fishing!!!!
>
> ===
> George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > 1005 W.Donkey Ln. Marlow Ok. 73055
> Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline.
