Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sons of Merriwether Lewis
I have found several other mistakes in Mary Walker's diary on dates that she has wrong and will have to look, there was also the location of an event that was incorrect.
Turtle.
> On Mon, 03 May 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> What Mr. Mullen has stated is correct per his references and several source pages that I checked on.
>
> Mary Walker got the information turned around probably because of the closeness in names of Clark's sons - Meriwether Lewis Clark and Jefferson K. Clark, (she could have had them Jefferson's sons) !!!
>
> Buck Conner
> Colorado Territory
>
> > On Mon, 03 May 1999, David Mullen wrote:
> >
> > Ms. Glise,
> >
> > Meriwiwether Lewis died a bachelor - which I realize does not preclude
> > have children - and left no apparent offspring. None are mentioned in
> > either _Undaunted Courage: Meriwether Lewis, Thomas Jefferson, and the
> > Opening of the American West_ by Stephen E. Ambrose or in _Meriwether
> > Lewis of Lewis and Clark_ by Charles M. Wilson. On the bright side Mary
> > Walker does mention meeting two sons of William Clark. The two sons were
> > Meriwether Lewis Clark and Jefferson K. Clark according to Elliot Coues
> > in _The History of teh Lewis and Clark Expedition_.
> >
> > Hope this of some help.
> >
> > YMHOS,
> > David Mullen
> >
> > --
> > David & Evelyn Mullen
> > 202 Mesa Verde
> > Jemez Springs, NM 87025
> > (505) 829-3212
> > email: dmullen@jemez.com
> >
> > Laura Rugel Glise wrote:
> > >
> > > Can anyone on the list save me some research?
> > >
> > > Mary Walker, wife of Elkanah Walker (missionary), writes in her diary
> > > that she met the sons of Merriwether Lewis in 1838. Anyone know their
> > > names?
> > >
> > > Appreciate the help.
> > >
> > > Laura R. Glise
> > > Atlanta, Georgia
>
>
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Date: 3 May 1999 12:53:42 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: PowderHawk's Pride Patch Lube
Turtle,
You mentioned PowderHawk's Pride, that was some real good patch lube, as well as a cleaner, I saw him on this list a while back, don't know if he is still selling the lube or not since moving to Iowa. Maybe the Stickin' Scottsman knows, they live near each other and are both AMM ?
Buck
> On Mon, 03 May 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
> A patch lube, like Powder Hawk's Pride, Ox-Yoke, Dixie Special, etc.
> Turtle.
>
> > > On Mon, 03 May 1999, "Henry B. Crawford" wrote:
> > >"Slicker 'n Willie Lube"
> > >
> >
> > OK, I'll finally ask. Can someone please explain. What the heck is
> > "Willie Lube?"
> >
> > HBC
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:10:37 +0000
From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sons of Merriwether Lewis
My apology:
I need the names of the sons of George Rogers Clark. Can
anyone help me out?
Laura Glise
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:12:31 +0000
From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sons of Merriwether Lewis
Thanks for your help. I rely on this list for invaluable information
and I am never disappointed.
Laura Glise
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:11:07 -0600
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Willie Lube
>
>Date: 3 May 1999 10:56:16 -0700
>From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Willie Lube??
>
>A patch lube, like Powder Hawk's Pride, Ox-Yoke, Dixie Special, etc.
>Turtle.
>
Ah, kinda like Spit Patch. I thought it was some kind of wierd joke.
I don't usually use patch lube aside what's in my mouth, except in match
shooting. That can really dry you out. I use lard, for both front
stuffers and BP cartridges.
Thanks,
HBC
****************************************
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Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:51:43 -0500
From: "McKee" <stitchinscot@jetnetinc.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: PowderHawk's Pride Patch Lube
Don't know the gentleman ( or anyone else AMM in Iowa) closest is Griz's
boys in MO. If anyone besides me in Iowa...............speak up!! Long
From: Kurt Westenbarger <kwesten@wyellowstone.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 5:55 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Nez Perce 1877
>> Hi folks,
>
>I'm looking for details - preferably maps - of two 'skirmishes' of the
>Nez Perce flight of 1877. The Cama Meadows (Idaho) and Canyon Creek
>(MT) fights. The sight of the canyon creek fight is physically marked
>by a stone that is woefully inadequate in describing anything about that
>event. I'd like to know more. I've found no maps of those sites in my
>personal library so ... any ideas.
>Thanks
> Kurt
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:50:09 +1200
From: Duncan Macready <Duncanm@connected.net.nz>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: RE: Air rifle
Buck wrote <SNIP>
As late as the 1890=92s we have seen in this country pneumatic weapons
disguised as walking sticks and canes ranging from .40-.50 in caliber wit=
h
500-750 FPS velocities capable of killing a man at 40-50 yards.
There was an unsolved murder case in England many years ago, where the
victim was shot with a crudely made steel bullet. It had no rifeling mark=
s
or powder residue on it , the Police had a suspect but no weapon.
Years later a British TV programme on firearms researched the case, and
found a walking stick in the list of objects in the suspects home. They g=
ot
a walking stick airgun of the same bore as the murder bullet made up a
repilca bullet and proved that it was possiable to kill someone with it a=
nd
it was most likely that the murder was committed with a stick gun, the
suspect was long dead but it was an interesting speculation.
YMOS
Cutfinger.
Friendships made.
Problems shared.
Campfires across the Wilderness
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:50:09 +1200
From: Duncan Macready <Duncanm@connected.net.nz>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: RE: Air rifle
Buck wrote <SNIP>
As late as the 1890=92s we have seen in this country pneumatic weapons
disguised as walking sticks and canes ranging from .40-.50 in caliber wit=
h
500-750 FPS velocities capable of killing a man at 40-50 yards.
There was an unsolved murder case in England many years ago, where the
victim was shot with a crudely made steel bullet. It had no rifeling mark=
s
or powder residue on it , the Police had a suspect but no weapon.
Years later a British TV programme on firearms researched the case, and
found a walking stick in the list of objects in the suspects home. They g=
ot
a walking stick airgun of the same bore as the murder bullet made up a
repilca bullet and proved that it was possiable to kill someone with it a=
nd
it was most likely that the murder was committed with a stick gun, the
suspect was long dead but it was an interesting speculation.
YMOS
Cutfinger.
Friendships made.
Problems shared.
Campfires across the Wilderness
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:02:39 -0600
From: Rick Williams <Rick_Williams@byu.edu>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Sons of Merriwether Lewis
THis would be mere speculation since at no time in his journals does Lewis
or Clark discuss any of THEIR daliences with the Native Americans. They
both discuss the enlisted men and York (Clark's Servant) but not their own.
That it may have occurred is probably true. One theory is that Lewis's
spiralling illness and final depression and suicide was due to the large
amounts of mercury used to treat syphillis and the laudnaum (opiate) used
for other treatments. As the 'doctor' of the expedition he would be the one
dispensing these cures which may have increased his own exposure. Lewis
never married while he tried to win the hand of several young women upon his
return.
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Laura Rugel
Glise
Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 9:00 AM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Sons of Merriwether Lewis
Can anyone on the list save me some research?
Mary Walker, wife of Elkanah Walker (missionary), writes in her diary
that she met the sons of Merriwether Lewis in 1838. Anyone know their
names?
Appreciate the help.
Laura R. Glise
Atlanta, Georgia
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:05:11 -0500
From: Don Neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sons of Merriwether Lewis
George Rogers had no children.
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Date: 4 May 1999 10:20:58 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: PowderHawk
McKee,
You may want to talk to him he was in the AMM in Colorado at one time (few years ago), had to move to Lake Mills, IA a year or so ago to care for his mother.
He only gets on-line a few times a month, do not have a number for him, think George Thompson knew of him and mentioned to Buck Conner for "Hawk" to get in touch with you. That's as far as I know at this time.
Turtle.
> On Mon, 03 May 1999, "McKee" wrote:
> Don't know the gentleman ( or anyone else AMM in Iowa) closest is Griz's
> boys in MO. If anyone besides me in Iowa...............speak up!! Long
> John
> CUSTOM MADE LEATHER GOODS,
> SPECIALIZING IN THE AMERICAN FUR TRADE ERA
> >
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:28:21 -0600
From: "Charlie P. Webb" <cwebbbpdr@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: John Switzer
Hey again Barney,
Our Colorado John Switzer doesn't make grease lamps either,
simply some very nice fire irons and camp gear. You are thinking
of the other JS, Switzer Forge that lives east of our shinning
mountains, and has been written up in several of the national
publications. Our JS's time for such honors has not come up yet,
but could happen very soon. :-)
I sure would appreciate any of you folks on the list who
are planning to attend Rocky Mtn. College Rendezvous looking
me up an sayin howdy. I'll most likely be doin a class or two, but
for the first time in many years I will not be runnin the shooting
program, I' ve retired from such goings on, and am lettin the young
wheels strut their stuff! <<< GGG>>> I am no longer able to do
the primitive camp bit, so have been relegated to the Handicap
camp, not by my choice, but I am a playin the hand delt me. I truly
would like a chance ta say "how do" and the opportunity to put
face to names. Any CSMLA board member will have a pretty
good idea of where Iam hanging out. So do come by!!!
Respectfully,
C Webb
On Mon, 3 May 1999 19:56:55 EDT RR1LA@aol.com writes:
>ok, so forget the knives <GGGGG> but if'n its the guy i'm thinkin' of,
>(JS
>Forge) check out his grease lamps. thanks for settin' me straight
>charlie.
>
> Barney Fife
> "Fortitude In Distress"
>
>
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Date: 4 May 1999 10:40:52 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: John Switzer
On Tue, 04 May 1999, "Charlie P. Webb" wrote:
Hey Charley,
How the war's going with Moose & Goose for the State Assn. !
Buck
______________
> Hey again Barney,
> Our Colorado John Switzer doesn't make grease lamps either,
> simply some very nice fire irons and camp gear. You are thinking
> of the other JS, Switzer Forge that lives east of our shinning
> mountains, and has been written up in several of the national
> publications. Our JS's time for such honors...........................
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Date: 4 May 1999 10:45:58 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: PowderHawk's Location
Mr. McKee,
Long John contact me off list for PowderHawk information, will fill you in.
Thanks
Buck
buck.conner@uswestmail.net
________________
> On Tue, 04 May 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> McKee,
> You may want to talk to him he was in the AMM in Colorado at one time (few years ago), had to move to Lake Mills, IA a year or so ago to care for his mother.
>
> He only gets on-line a few times a month, do not have a number for him, think George Thompson knew of him and mentioned to Buck Conner for "Hawk" to get in touch with you. That's as far as I know at this time.
> Turtle.
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:37:51 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nez Perce 1877
At 05:58 PM 5/3/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>
>I'm looking for details - preferably maps - of two 'skirmishes' of the
>Nez Perce flight of 1877. The Cama Meadows (Idaho) and Canyon Creek
>(MT) fights. The sight of the canyon creek fight is physically marked
>by a stone that is woefully inadequate in describing anything about that
>event. I'd like to know more. I've found no maps of those sites in my
>personal library so ... any ideas.
>Thanks
> Kurt
>
Kurt,
The Camas Meadows fight is just east of Kilgore, guessing about 15 miles
from the I-15. There's a small sign. I haven't been out to the actual
site, but they say you can still see the rifle pits.
Hope it helps. By the way, it's real pretty country there.
>
>
>
>
>
Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country
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Date: 04 May 99 16:08:13 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Willie Lube??
Reply to: Re: MtMan-List: Willie Lube??
Then again it may be what Slick Willie uses when he puts it to the =
American people. Probably a daily occurence if we only knew.
DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
Fred A. Miller wrote:
>"Henry B. Crawford" wrote:
>> =
>> >"Slicker 'n Willie Lube"
>> >
>> =
>> OK, I'll finally ask. Can someone please explain. What the heck is
>> "Willie Lube?"
>
>It's an all-natural lube that Mark DeWilde and I developed over a 2-yr. =
period. =
>It's available through the site listed below. We make a patch lube and a =
bullet
>lube.
>
>Fred
>
>-- =
>"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!
>http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/
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