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hist_text-digest        Friday, April 23 1999        Volume 01 : Number 286




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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:38:23 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Re: Off Topic: Air Guns

Hey Spud...
 THAT was some snappy repartee.  heheheh
D





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  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
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From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Re: Off Topic: Air Guns


I gotcher chain.
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To: Dean Rudy's hist_list <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 7:16 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Re: Off Topic: Air Guns

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Date: 20 Apr 1999 18:51:08 -0700
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Re: Off Topic: Air Guns

Like a watch chain, and a short one at that.

Buck


On Tue, 20 April 1999, Dennis Miles wrote:

>
> Hey Spud...
>  THAT was some snappy repartee.  heheheh
> D
>
>
>
>
>
>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>   Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>     http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 9:03 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Re: Off Topic: Air Guns
>
>
> I gotcher chain.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[e-mail]>
> To: Dean Rudy's hist_list <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 7:16 AM
> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Re: Off Topic: Air Guns


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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:02:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: mtmen list - Texians

Thank God for General Sam and his Texians at SanJac April 21, 1836.
- --- from Michigan

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:23:57 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mtmen list - Texians

Thank you for mentioning it, Jon.  My family has been in Texas since =
before the battle of San Jancinto, but I'm afraid that if one of us had =
brought it up the curmudgens lurking on the list would have set up a =
howl.    The monument to the battle is pretty impressive but being so =
near the city of Houston, it is a labor of love to go see it.  You ever =
been to Houston in the summer?  Panama is worse, but not much.  How I =
"lived" there for seven years remains a mystery to me to this day.
Remember the Alamo, Remember Goliad, Long live Tejas!!
Lanney Ratcliff, proud Texian

- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: JON MARINETTI <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 10:02 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: mtmen list - Texians


> Thank God for General Sam and his Texians at SanJac April 21, 1836.  =20
> --- from Michigan
>=20
>=20

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:32:16 -0600
From: Dean Rudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: Important Lancaster Rendzevous RE: Geneo Beasley

>From: [e-mail]
>Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:21:13 EDT
>Subject: Important Lancaster Rendzevous RE: Geneo Beasley
>To: [e-mail]
>X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>
>Dean, We are looking for immediate information on the location of the
>Lancaster Rendezvous.  We are looking for Geneo Beasley.  He was supposed to
>be in Sun City, CA on April 15 and he needs to call his daughter Sherry for
>some urgent family        information.  Please contact me ASAP.  Rick (son)
> [e-mail]
>

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:47:46 -0500
From: Mike Rock <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #285--Horse tack

When I lived in Bismark as a kid, I had a book called something like
Cowboy Horse Tack by Bruce Grant. I will try and look it up.  It had
good modern design, then he showed the indian designs.  Had some good
historical work on horsehair and rawhide.  Hell, talking about it brings
back memories.  Learned how to take my ear off with a bullwhip that
summer.
Ill find the book.
Rock

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:52:36 EDT
From: michael pierce <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: carrying loaded rifles

john
good to hear from you--computer crashed and i didnt have your e-mail
address got it back up and lost some of my address book but yours was one
of the messages that i had left---wish we were shooting high power at
marshel---not many places here to shoot--thats for sure---glad the black
powder bug bit you--and glad you are a flint shooter---my brother has
never fired a caplock--only flint wont shoot one---told him when i got
him started i would build him a gun but he had to shoot flint and only
flint---little shit is darn good with it too and never has any problems
with misfires when hunting---he says it's the way you take care of it
before you load it and whil you are in the field---

again good to hear from you dont be a stranger and if you get in this
area look us up---

"HAWK"
Michael pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida  34684
E-mail:   [e-mail]    Phone: [phone]

On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:06:31 -0600 John Dearing
<[e-mail]> writes:
>> >I may be one of those werd ones(BG) but I have been using and
>hunting
>> >with my old rifle gun for over 40 years and have loaded it on
>opening day
>> >of deer season and left the load in it for over a week and have
>never had
>> >a problem with a misfire---you get that problem when you clean the
>gun
>> >and dont get all the oil and moisture out---"HAWK"
>
>Good to hear from you Hawk.  It's been years since we competed against
>one
>another in NRA high power at Marshall MO, as well as at an occasional
>rendezvous.
>Just figured out, for sure, who you were when you mentioned Ole Grizz
>patch lube.
>I was just beginning to attend rendezvous, and my service rifle scores
>weren't
>anything
>to write home about, so you probably don't remember me, but anyway...
>
>I agree with everything you said, so I usually leave my guns loaded
>through Mo deer
>season, unless I have something to  shoot at. ;-) Since I shoot
>flinters, I plug the
>vent
>with a feather, and leave the gun on an enclosed porch, locked in the
>Jeep, or in an
>unheated tent to prevent condensation from forming in the bore due to
>temperature
>changes.
>
>One year, I hunted for two days in frosty, misty, weather, and in snow
>the
>third day. As I crawled out from under a huge cedar tree at the end of
>the day, quite
>a
>large amount of snow fell right smack dab on the barrel/lock of the
>rifle. Wiped it
>off
>pretty quick, and reprimed, hunted my way back to the house, and
>cleared the gun
>before going inside.  She went off after only a short ppfffffft.  Hit
>the gong dead
>center
>too. That was in my younger days when I did quite a bit of shooting,
>so the hang fire
>didn't bother me the least bit. ;-)
>
>My last post was a response to someone who ask how often the old
>timers cleaned
>their guns. I only answered with results of my research, but if my
>firelock misfires,
>I'm only out some fresh meat, and not my life. If put in the same
>circumstances of
>life and death, I would probably clean and recharge every evening too,
>assuming
>that particular gun was fired earlier that day. The author didn't say.
> I'm sure the
>powder and ball were saved and re-used at some point, but nothing was
>said about
>that.
>
>Remember, the loads were drawn, not fired at the end of the day. Saves
>powder,
>and ball, and won't alert the savages to your position.
>Your Humble Servant
>  J.D.
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:35:31 EDT
From: michael pierce <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: carrying loaded rifles

john
good to hear from you--computer crashed and i didnt have your e-mail
address got it back up and lost some of my address book but yours was one
of the messages that i had left---wish we were shooting high power at
marshel---not many places here to shoot--thats for sure---glad the black
powder bug bit you--and glad you are a flint shooter---my brother has
never fired a caplock--only flint wont shoot one---told him when i got
him started i would build him a gun but he had to shoot flint and only
flint---little shit is darn good with it too and never has any problems
with misfires when hunting---he says it's the way you take care of it
before you load it and whil you are in the field---

again good to hear from you dont be a stranger and if you get in this
area look us up---

"HAWK"
Michael pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida  34684
E-mail:   [e-mail]    Phone: [phone]

On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:06:31 -0600 John Dearing
<[e-mail]> writes:
>> >I may be one of those werd ones(BG) but I have been using and
>hunting
>> >with my old rifle gun for over 40 years and have loaded it on
>opening day
>> >of deer season and left the load in it for over a week and have
>never had
>> >a problem with a misfire---you get that problem when you clean the
>gun
>> >and dont get all the oil and moisture out---"HAWK"
>
>Good to hear from you Hawk.  It's been years since we competed against
>one
>another in NRA high power at Marshall MO, as well as at an occasional
>rendezvous.
>Just figured out, for sure, who you were when you mentioned Ole Grizz
>patch lube.
>I was just beginning to attend rendezvous, and my service rifle scores
>weren't
>anything
>to write home about, so you probably don't remember me, but anyway...
>
>I agree with everything you said, so I usually leave my guns loaded
>through Mo deer
>season, unless I have something to  shoot at. ;-) Since I shoot
>flinters, I plug the
>vent
>with a feather, and leave the gun on an enclosed porch, locked in the
>Jeep, or in an
>unheated tent to prevent condensation from forming in the bore due to
>temperature
>changes.
>
>One year, I hunted for two days in frosty, misty, weather, and in snow
>the
>third day. As I crawled out from under a huge cedar tree at the end of
>the day, quite
>a
>large amount of snow fell right smack dab on the barrel/lock of the
>rifle. Wiped it
>off
>pretty quick, and reprimed, hunted my way back to the house, and
>cleared the gun
>before going inside.  She went off after only a short ppfffffft.  Hit
>the gong dead
>center
>too. That was in my younger days when I did quite a bit of shooting,
>so the hang fire
>didn't bother me the least bit. ;-)
>
>My last post was a response to someone who ask how often the old
>timers cleaned
>their guns. I only answered with results of my research, but if my
>firelock misfires,
>I'm only out some fresh meat, and not my life. If put in the same
>circumstances of
>life and death, I would probably clean and recharge every evening too,
>assuming
>that particular gun was fired earlier that day. The author didn't say.
> I'm sure the
>powder and ball were saved and re-used at some point, but nothing was
>said about
>that.
>
>Remember, the loads were drawn, not fired at the end of the day. Saves
>powder,
>and ball, and won't alert the savages to your position.
>Your Humble Servant
>  J.D.
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:16:15 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous In Okla.

35 miles straight south of Tulsa, down Hwy 75.  Let me know if you want a
flyer mailed to you.

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:32:00 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous In Okla.

How do I write you?  This thing keeps telling me your address is to long.

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:18:51 -0400
From: Michael Pierce <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous In Okla.

address is as below:  [e-mail]
      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]     E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]

On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:32:00 EDT [e-mail] writes:
>How do I write you?  This thing keeps telling me your address is to
>long.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:17:25 -0400
From: Michael Pierce <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous In Okla.

please send a flyer --will be in the area hunting about that time so may
be able to put it into the schedule---have friends that live in Bokocheto
Ok. both him and his son have rifles that i built for them---boy won the
North caralina junior championship agrigrate with his gun---now he has to
shoot with the adults---so it could get interesting.  his father will be
hunting with me in arkansas and then i go to hunt with him in oklahoma
for deer---he is trying to decide if he wants to spend the money to go to
kansas with me for phesents after deer season---is the roo full
primitative or is there an area for tin tee pee's and what is the cost.
what is the costume requirement.  is there more than one aggrigrate---or
is it strickly a primitative match--do we need our fire box and hawk and
knife for the matches---
      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]     E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]

On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:16:15 EDT [e-mail] writes:
>35 miles straight south of Tulsa, down Hwy 75.  Let me know if you
>want a
>flyer mailed to you.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:09:39 -0700
From: Flying Cloud <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Rendezvous In Okla.

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> 35 miles straight south of Tulsa, down Hwy 75.  Let me know if you want a
> flyer mailed to you.

Please send me the date and a contact person, thanks

Jim Ellison
Flying Cloud Trading Co.
www.flyingcloudtrading.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:36:38 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Henry Route Article

Those of you who have sent checks to me for the article.....just mailed em.

Happy Reading

Todd Glover

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:37:36 -0700
From: "landis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: twill pants

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Date: 21 Apr 99 20:17:07 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Where?

Emma Peel.  Are you still on the list?  Would like to hear from you if
you are.  Thanks, Don

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:30:28 -0700
From: Laurel huber <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twill pants

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I own a pair of Amish pants made out of denim that I use for everyday
knock-about use.  They are Broad Fall and have metal rivet buttons.
Besides the buttons and fabric, I would not use them for Fur Trade
re-enactment because the most often shown examples of trousers I have
seen of that period have been Narrow Fall.  You start seeing Broad Falls
show up in George Bingham paintings from the late 1840s to the 1850s,
Riverboat period.  The mid to late 1800s is about the time the Amish
started being active.  Maybe the style was available earlier but it
couldn't have been as common.  Anyone else on the list have
documentation on the wide spread appearance of the Broad Fall style?

landis wrote:

>  can anyone tell me if twill drop front pants are period correct? they
> are made by the amish co.                thanks          adam



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I own a pair of Amish pants made out of denim that I use for everyday knock-about
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the buttons and fabric, I would not use them for Fur Trade re-enactment
because the most often shown examples of trousers I have seen of that period
have been Narrow Fall.  You start seeing Broad Falls show up in George
Bingham paintings from the late 1840s to the 1850s, Riverboat period.
The mid to late 1800s is about the time the Amish started being active.
Maybe the style was available earlier but it couldn't have been as common.
Anyone else on the list have documentation on the wide spread appearance
of the Broad Fall style?

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:30:28 -0700
From: Laurel huber <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twill pants

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I own a pair of Amish pants made out of denim that I use for everyday
knock-about use.  They are Broad Fall and have metal rivet buttons.
Besides the buttons and fabric, I would not use them for Fur Trade
re-enactment because the most often shown examples of trousers I have
seen of that period have been Narrow Fall.  You start seeing Broad Falls
show up in George Bingham paintings from the late 1840s to the 1850s,
Riverboat period.  The mid to late 1800s is about the time the Amish
started being active.  Maybe the style was available earlier but it
couldn't have been as common.  Anyone else on the list have
documentation on the wide spread appearance of the Broad Fall style?

landis wrote:

>  can anyone tell me if twill drop front pants are period correct? they
> are made by the amish co.                thanks          adam



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I own a pair of Amish pants made out of denim that I use for everyday knock-about
use.  They are Broad Fall and have metal rivet buttons.  Besides
the buttons and fabric, I would not use them for Fur Trade re-enactment
because the most often shown examples of trousers I have seen of that period
have been Narrow Fall.  You start seeing Broad Falls show up in George
Bingham paintings from the late 1840s to the 1850s, Riverboat period.
The mid to late 1800s is about the time the Amish started being active.
Maybe the style was available earlier but it couldn't have been as common.
Anyone else on the list have documentation on the wide spread appearance
of the Broad Fall style?

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:16:52 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Where?

Oh yes I certainly am, Ollie :) Just found three more St. Vrain descendants
and we just went over the 500 person mark.  Off to France in the summer to
find the traditional landholdings of the DeLassus/St. Vrain families...all in
all though, I'd rather be roasting chickory at Bent's Fort. :)

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Date: 22 Apr 99 16:17:17 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Where?

         Reply to:   Re: MtMan-List: Where?
Glad to hear it.  I was wondering what research you have been doing.  Is =
it just the family tree or all kinds of info?  And how much of it would =
you be willing to share?  The reason I am asking is that I have begun =
writing a book on Ceran and of course any and all info would be =
appreciated.  Unless of course, you are going to write one in which case I =
would be glad to help if you want it.  I live in Pueblo, CO-do you live clo=
se?  Anyaway, let me know and talk to you later.

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants

EmmaPeel2 wrote:
>Oh yes I certainly am, Ollie :) Just found three more St. Vrain =
descendants =
>and we just went over the 500 person mark.  Off to France in the summer =
to =
>find the traditional landholdings of the DeLassus/St. Vrain families...=
all in =
>all though, I'd rather be roasting chickory at Bent's Fort. :)
>
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:37:10 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous In Okla.

Sorry Hawk I have your address, it was another address that said it was to
long, I must have messed up.  I plan on sending you your indigo today also.
It's in the kitchen sink as I type.  I will include a flyer with your indigo.

                        TrapRJoe

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