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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #284 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, April 18 1999 Volume 01 : Number 284 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:51:35 GMT From: rparker7@ix.netcom.com (Roy Parker) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:48:07 +0000, you wrote: >Mr. Parker: > >I don't believe we have been properly introduced, but let me say your >recipe for apple pie sparked my imagination. One apple and copious >amounts of tequilla. > >My compliments, Sir. I believe you win the prize. =20 > >Impressed in Atlanta > >Laura Jean > Well (p'shaw'n and draggin my moc toes through the dirt), thank you kindly, Ma'am. =20 Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith, Woodworker, and Collector. = My job gets in the way of my hobbies. =20 ------------------------------ Date: 17 Apr 1999 08:43:23 -0700 From: <turtle@uswestmail.net> Subject: RE: MtMan-List:air guns Damn Buck, now an air rifle !!!! Nobody would be safe in bending over to tend the fire with you and an air rifle, the sling shot was bad enought. DO NOT REPLY to his request Mr. Lienemann, please trash this man's request. Thank you Turtle I move slow enough without having to look over my shoulder. _____________________________ > Bob, > Have you ever considered trying to build an early "wind gun" ?? If you decided to try such a thing let me know, would be interested in one in the "white" in a 32 to 36 cal. later > ___________________________________________________ > > On Fri, 16 April 1999, "Bob Lienemann" wrote: > > > > > i've seen one air rifle, also referred to in translation from the original > > German as a "wind gun", in the inventory of both the Christian's Spring > > (pennsylvania) and Salem (n carolina) shops of the Moravian communities' > > locksmiths and gunstockmakers. from the 1770's and 1780's. not much more > > detail, but the church fathers at salem were concerned about the mischief > > that was caused with the wind gun - evidently quiet mischief. there's two > > in this country, in scattered locations, early. i think they were earlier > > and more common that understood. > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:55:57 -0500 From: John Dearing <jdearing@mail.theriver.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Culloden > > All ye Hielanders and the true of heart should pause this day and remember, > >but for a minute of the Gallant Lads slaughtered on the fields of Culloden > >this dreary day some 253 years past.. And if ye ha' a moment, stop and raise > >a fine drap of gud Scots whiskey to their memory... And don't forget the wee > >Claan and Lasses that were murdered for sport, during and after the battle > >and the helpless prisoners burnt and hacked to death as well, by the > >murderous bastards. And know that somewhere in the fiery bowels of eternal > >Hell, they they are paying for their butchery on tha' day. Is it any wonder > >that no unit sports a "Culloden" battle honor to this day.... > If I remember my history correctly, Bonnie Prince Charlie and his retinue became frightened by the 9,000 British troops arrayed against his 7,000 Highlanders, and fled the field leaving his troops leaderless, without a battle plan, and in a poor military position to oppose the British. Don't lay all of the blame at the feet of the British. The "Bonnie Prince" was as guilty as anyone. Your Servant John D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:33:47 -0400 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Culloden Women and Children?? "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - -----Original Message----- From: John Dearing <jdearing@mail.theriver.net> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 4:56 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Culloden > > >> > All ye Hielanders and the true of heart should pause this day and remember, >> >but for a minute of the Gallant Lads slaughtered on the fields of Culloden >> >this dreary day some 253 years past.. And if ye ha' a moment, stop and raise >> >a fine drap of gud Scots whiskey to their memory... And don't forget the wee >> >Claan and Lasses that were murdered for sport, during and after the battle >> >and the helpless prisoners burnt and hacked to death as well, by the >> >murderous bastards. And know that somewhere in the fiery bowels of eternal >> >Hell, they they are paying for their butchery on tha' day. Is it any wonder >> >that no unit sports a "Culloden" battle honor to this day.... >> > >If I remember my history correctly, Bonnie Prince Charlie and his retinue became >frightened by the 9,000 British troops arrayed against his 7,000 Highlanders, and >fled the field leaving his troops leaderless, without a battle plan, and in a poor >military position to oppose the British. Don't lay all of the blame at the feet of the >British. The "Bonnie Prince" was as guilty as anyone. > >Your Servant >John D. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:07:44 -0600 From: "john c. funk,jr" <j2hearts@shasta.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 17:11:56 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE88F5.65B86160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My thanks to C.T. and Joe. I'm aware of the hackamore thing and have = used it on occasions. And, unfortunately, my most credible library is a = 140 mile trip!! Hence, my question as to "types of clips (or whatever) = that might have been used" on a lead rope for a halter rig. Can anyone = actually describe what was used??? John Funk - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE88F5.65B86160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1700"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>My thanks to C.T. and Joe. I'm = aware of=20 the hackamore thing and have used it on occasions. And, = unfortunately, my=20 most credible library is a 140 mile trip!! Hence, my question as = to=20 "types of clips (or whatever) that might have been used" on a = lead=20 rope for a halter rig. Can anyone actually describe what was=20 used???</DIV> <DIV>John Funk</DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE88F5.65B86160-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:07:59 -0700 From: "Dennis Mountjoy" <mtjoy@micron.net> Subject: MtMan-List: RE:Spinning wheels My wife just acquired a spinning wheel this weekend at an estate auction. Now she wants to learn to use it properly. Does anyone on the list have a recommendation on references on the use of a spinning wheel? She asked _me_ , and I sure can't help. Thanks Dennis Mountjoy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 07:18:39 -0500 From: "McKee" <stitchinscot@jetnetinc.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Spinning wheels Saw your msg on my husband's email and had to answer. There is a very good magazine on spinning called "Spin-off" through Interweave press and they have a wide assortment of publications and books dealing with spinning as well as the magazine available. There phone is 970 669-7672 they have a web site -- www.interweave.com and spinoff@interweave.com . There is are several excellent videos on spinning that can be purchased from Victorian Video Productions out of Petaluma, CA - sorry I can't find there catalog at the moment. Interweave also can furnish a listing of spinning and weaving guilds across the country whose members could probably help your wife do any restoration her new wheel may need and help her get started spinning. One very good book The Care & Feeding of Spinning Wheels; a Buyer's Guide & Owners Manual is quite good. Many auction/antique wheels are missing parts and without experience it takes awhile to find this out. It is a great hobby and leads down a very long path (sometimes to multiple ventures) and very relaxing and enjoyable. Hope this has been of help to your wife. If she has questions she can contact me at stitchinscot@jetnetinc.net Nancy - -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Mountjoy <mtjoy@micron.net> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 2:20 AM Subject: MtMan-List: RE:Spinning wheels >My wife just acquired a spinning wheel this weekend at an estate auction. >Now she wants to learn to use it properly. Does anyone on the list have a >recommendation on references on the use of a spinning wheel? She asked _me_ >, and I sure can't help. Thanks > >Dennis Mountjoy > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:28:20 EDT From: Cherokeoil@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE:Spinning wheels There is a book called The Whole Craft of Spinning for 3.95 in the Smoke and Fire Co. catalog. There address is po box 166, Grand Rapids, Ohio 43522 and there number is (419) 832-0303. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 1999 09:23:10 -0700 From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> Subject: MtMan-List: "PICHOU" & Deringer contract George, The site to sign up on for the AMM hist_list is at: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html my e-mail is: buck.conner@uswestmail.net personal buck.conner@worldnet.att.net business Answers to your questions: #1 -The information on your findings is interesting on the word "PICHOU", I'm sure others would be interested also and with your permission I will submit it again. #2 -I will try and find what I can in the imformation used for web site on tradeguns and smoothbores at: http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html and with your permission I will submit your question and with any luck we'll see what these folks come up with. Thanks for trying to reach me again. Buck Conner Colorado Territory ________________________________________ > Tried to send this earlier it came back "nrt" won't work for "net" Oh > Well!! Know your buisy but will like to know if it made it this time!! > > > <buck.conner@uswestmail.nrt>: > > Sorry, I couldn't find any host named > > uswestmail.nrt. (#5.1.2) > > > > <owner-hist-text@list.xmission.com>: > > Sorry, I couldn't find any host named > > list.xmission.com. (#5.1.2) ________________________________________ > > --- Original message follows. #1 -Some time ago I sent a question "What is a Pinchon"? to the list. I thought I might share what I found.The Editor of Outdoor Oklahoma, In a "Letter to the Editor" colum responded "it might a misspelled word for mink( Vison) in the May--June- 1998 issue." However , about the same time. My aunt from La., a true cajun, found in a Dictionary Of The Cajun Language by Rev.Msgr.Jules O. Daigle,M.A., S.T.L.: list the word "PICHOU" n.m. Bobcat,Lynz. I want to think missed spelled bobcat rather than mink. I think they were pressing the hides into bundles of like size and fox and bobcat would be about the same. The article refered to (97 "Pinchon" and fox). #2 -Ok. Next question! If we may "clear the air"(old farts). Can any one help me find the "contract" by the goverenment and Henry Deringer To supply 1000 rifles(500 Flinters & 500 cappers) to be given to the Creek Indians during their removal west? My friend, Douglas Jones AMM,thinks it should have been about 1830. I found in A Treaty Of Washington Mar.24, 1832 Article XIII. (There shall also be given to each emigrating warrior a rifle,molds,wiper and ammunition and to each family one blanket.)Generous wern't they! Thanks G.R.N. George R. Noe < gnoe39@yahoo.com > 1005 W.Donkey Ln. Marlow Ok. 73055 Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 1999 09:59:31 -0700 From: <powderhawk@uswestmail.net> Subject: RE: MtMan-List:air guns (off topic) Turtle, Remember the time at Ft. deChartre in ILL and the Scotsman in the kilt splitting firewood, everytime he hit that block of wood his kilt ended up on his back and proved "nothing was worn under them". Well Buck and his damn homemade sling shot couldn't pass on this, spectators (100 or so) watching as the Scotsman would bend over in his swing and come to attention when hit with a stinging pebble from the sleeping gentleman near by. The crowd got a charge out of this Scotsman bending over, getting hit and standing straight looking around for the guilty party, great fun for everyone but the Scot. An air rifle would be terrible in our friend's hands, Mr. L. as requested don't call our friend. Powder Hawk Iowa > On Sat, 17 April 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote: > > Damn Buck, now an air rifle !!!! > Nobody would be safe in bending over to tend the fire with you and an air rifle, the sling shot was bad enought. DO NOT REPLY to his request Mr. Lienemann, please trash this man's request. Thank you > > Turtle > I move slow enough without having to look over my shoulder. > _____________________________ > > Bob, > > Have you ever considered trying to build an early "wind gun" ?? If you decided to try such a thing let me know, would be interested in one in the "white" in a 32 to 36 cal. later > > ___________________________________________________ > > > > On Fri, 16 April 1999, "Bob Lienemann" wrote: > > > > > > > > i've seen one air rifle, also referred to in translation from the original > > > German as a "wind gun", in the inventory of both the Christian's Spring > > > (pennsylvania) and Salem (n carolina) shops of the Moravian communities' > > > locksmiths and gunstockmakers. from the 1770's and 1780's. not much more > > > detail, but the church fathers at salem were concerned about the mischief > > > that was caused with the wind gun - evidently quiet mischief. there's two > > > in this country, in scattered locations, early. i think they were earlier > > > and more common that understood. Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:34:33 EDT From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "PICHOU" & Deringer contract On 18 Apr 1999 09:23:10 -0700 <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> writes: >George, _snip info---_______________________________________ >> > --- Original message follows. snip question #1----- >#2 -Ok. Next question! If we may "clear the air"(old farts). Can any >one help me find the "contract" by the goverenment and Henry Deringer >To supply 1000 rifles(500 Flinters & 500 cappers) to be given to the >Creek Indians during their removal west? My friend, Douglas Jones >AMM,thinks it should have been about 1830. I found in A Treaty Of >Washington Mar.24, 1832 Article XIII. (There shall also be given to >each emigrating warrior a rifle,molds,wiper and ammunition and to each >family one blanket.)Generous wern't they! > >Thanks G.R.N. > >George R. Noe >< gnoe39@yahoo.com > >1005 W.Donkey Ln. >Marlow Ok. 73055 suggest you look in chapter 2 of "the plains rifle" by charles e. hanson ISBN # 0-88227-015x 1978 this chapter goes into great detail about contracts and talks about rifles made for indians being moved west. contract was for more than the qty you speak of so it was probably for more than one settlement or treaty. also a derringer target rifle in the kentuckey rifle by dillen on page 58 plate 41. also a philip derrenger rifle is shown on page 208 plate # 172 of the pennsylvania Kentuckey Rifle by Henry j. Kauffman. that is a quick search for info that i had avail---the hanson book is probably what you want to look at but not many pictures of what you want---there is also several contract military muskets in Flanermans guide to antique firearms---with a slight bit of info ---probably not in the date time that you are looking---and not of the trade gun or for the indian movent west. "HAWK" Michael pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 E-mail: Hawknest4@Juno.com Phone: 1-727-771-1815 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Pickert <walksinthenight@yahoo.com> Subject: MtMan-List: thanks/poem Hey the list: thanks for all the great info on air guns, I have had problems with this puter so was unable to respond earlier. Here is a poem I wrote a while back hope you all get a kick out of it. A MOUNTAIN MAN WALKS IN THE NIGHT IS MY MOUNTAIN MAN NAME IN THE 70'S HUNTIN COON WAS MY GAME A BLACKFOOT LADY I TOOK FOR MY WIFE AT MY SIDE HANGS A GREEN RIVER KNIFE MY WIFE SHE KEEPS ME FED AND WARM AT NIGHT AN OL GREEN RIVER KEEPS MY GAME SKINNED CLEAN AND HELPS ME IN A PLIGHT AS A MOUNTAIN MAN I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT FOLLOWING BEAVOR PLEWS IS STILL THE WAY AN NO MAN CAN STEAL MY THUNDER LEAST WISE NOT TILL I GO UNDER === Rick(Walks in the Night)Pickert _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:48:09 -0500 From: "B. Rice Aston" <bra@hal-pc.org> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #283 PLease delete my name. Thanks. Rice Aston bra@hal-pc.org At 08:33 AM 4/17/99 -0600, you wrote: > >hist_text-digest Saturday, April 17 1999 Volume 01 : Number 283 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:20:38 -0400 >From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) >Subject: MtMan-List: Rememberin' Day.(off topic) > >This isn't Fur trade by any means, but, we shuld remember.. >D > > > > >Well, > > All ye Hielanders and the true of heart should pause this day and remember, >but for a minute of the Gallant Lads slaughtered on the fields of Culloden >this dreary day some 253 years past.. And if ye ha' a moment, stop and raise >a fine drap of gud Scots whiskey to their memory... And don't forget the wee >Claan and Lasses that were murdered for sport, during and after the battle >and the helpless prisoners burnt and hacked to death as well, by the >murderous bastards. And know that somewhere in the fiery bowels of eternal >Hell, they they are paying for their butchery on tha' day. Is it any wonder >that no unit sports a "Culloden" battle honor to this day.... > >Dennis Miles >Hiv 1622 > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 > >------------------------------ > >Date: 16 Apr 1999 06:27:32 -0700 >From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rememberin' Day.(off topic) > >Good Morning Kid, >Are we looking at swords and long bows too. >Buck > > >> All ye Hielanders and the true of heart should pause this day and remember, >> but for a minute of the Gallant Lads slaughtered on the fields of Culloden >> this dreary day some 253 years past.. And if ye ha' a moment, stop and raise >> a fine drap of gud Scots whiskey to their memory... And don't forget the wee >> Claan and Lasses that were murdered for sport, during and after the battle >> and the helpless prisoners burnt and hacked to death as well, by the >> murderous bastards. And know that somewhere in the fiery bowels of eternal >> Hell, they they are paying for their butchery on tha' day. Is it any wonder >> that no unit sports a "Culloden" battle honor to this day.... >> >> Dennis Miles >> Hiv 1622 >> >> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" >> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE >> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments >> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 > > >Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:29:42 -0400 >From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rememberin' Day.(off topic) > >Buck, > > I ha' both...<G> And enjoy them immensley!! The long bow is a shooter... > >D > >P.S. Did you get my message of yesterday? > >------------------------------ > >Date: 16 Apr 1999 06:55:28 -0700 >From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List:air guns > >Hawk, > I talked to a gentleman at Beeman Prec. Air Rifles, they have some Italian and German Air Rifles that date in the 1770-1870 range. He said there was a German air rifle in pieces at Smithsonian that had a 1768 date, one of a kind, and probably not produced in any large numbers. > I have kicked myself for years over an 1850's air rifle that Muley Carr had at the Colorado Antique Gun Collectors Show back in the 70's. Looked like a fine sporting rifle, precussion half stock, with a brass 4-5 inch ball in front of the trigger guard that was the air chamber. It was in NRA Good condition, and best part it was a 38 cal. Muley wanted cash, $2500 and wouldn't take a trade, before I could sell what I had at the show, he sold the air rifle. > Would still like to have one, or if could figure out a system with parts and have one built. Any ideas on this. > >Buck >_________________________________ >> On 14 Apr 1999 18:42:14 -0700 <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> writes: >> >Yes, Lewis & Clark had an air rifle with them that wowed the local >> >Native Americans. >> > >> >Air guns were around long before this period, and I remember reading >> >some of the best ones came from Germany, >> >> air guns have been around since the late 1700 and were invented in >> germany if my memory serves me well. cant find my book on them so will >> have to quote info from memory--- looked thru some of my books but didnt >> find what i wanted---louis and clark took a air gun on their trip and to >> a pump up this airgun --- it wad pumped up with a lever and the butt >> stock was the air chamber---if you go to smithsonian there is one of the >> same models as louis and clark took with them if i am not wrong it is >> dated 1780 or around that time period---it was by a german maker and >> shot lead bb's size shot but they made them that went up to about 60 gage >> or around 30 something caliber if i am not mistaken-. >> >> american rifleman did a article on the airguns and dated them and all >> several years ago---so if you do some digging you will find out about >> them the one that they discuss is the one in smithsonian. I believe the >> davis museum in clarimore okla had one also that is very early but later >> than the louis and clark gun---very interesting piece and made later than >> the one in smithsonian--- >> >> best date i can put on them off my head is about 1780. plus or minus 10 >> years. all the early air guns were made in germany and i know of only 2 >> makers and if i remember correctly they lived quite close to each other >> in their villages so it leads me to thank that they probly were either >> kin to each other or had a friendly match going with each other---they >> were highly accurate up to about 50 yds most were smooth bore and the >> shot or ball dia was almost bore dia and was drop shot ---I usto own a >> gameing rifle that shot bb's but it was powered by a precussion cap---I >> would patch the lead bb's with paper towels and could shoot half way thru >> a 1" pine board across the living roon---got into a lot of trouble with >> it with the better half---it was stolen when i got broken into---it was >> made by the german maker with the same name as the air rifles in >> smithsonian---I thank they made a lot of these type of guns---called them >> saloon guns for the guys in the bars to use to test their marksmanship >> skills--- >> >> bout all I can remember --best advice is go to the nra and look thru >> their back issues and you will find the smithsonian gun which is the same >> as the louis and clark gun--- >> >> >> "HAWK" >> Michael pierce >> 854 Glenfield Dr. >> Palm Harbor Florida 34684 >> E-mail: Hawknest4@Juno.com Phone: 1-727-771-1815 >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >> or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:04:42 PDT >From: "Bill Jackson" <billjackson@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rememberin' Day.(off topic) > >Aye, drinking a good Scottish drink to honor our fallen. >MadJack > > >>From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) >>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> >>Subject: MtMan-List: Rememberin' Day.(off topic) >>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:20:38 -0400 >> >>This isn't Fur trade by any means, but, we shuld remember.. >>D >> >> >> >> >>Well, >> >> All ye Hielanders and the true of heart should pause this day and >remember, >>but for a minute of the Gallant Lads slaughtered on the fields of >Culloden >>this dreary day some 253 years past.. And if ye ha' a moment, stop >and raise >>a fine drap of gud Scots whiskey to their memory... And don't forget >the wee >>Claan and Lasses that were murdered for sport, during and after the >battle >>and the helpless prisoners burnt and hacked to death as well, by the >>murderous bastards. And know that somewhere in the fiery bowels of >eternal >>Hell, they they are paying for their butchery on tha' day. Is it any >wonder >>that no unit sports a "Culloden" battle honor to this day.... >> >>Dennis Miles >>Hiv 1622 >> >> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" >> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE >> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments >> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: 16 Apr 99 16:31:12 -0600 >From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com> >Subject: RE: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous > > Reply to: RE: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous >Apple Pie - 1 gallon apple cider, 1 quart of Vodka or Everclear and >cinnomon oil to taste. > >DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants > >Brian McNutt wrote: >>Hello the list! >>Just wanted to drop a short note on my first rendezvous at Comanche >Peak. >>That was the best time I've had in ages, and met nothing but good >people. I >>want to thank Lodgepole, Shirt, and 5 Squaws for showing me the ropes. >>I am horrible with names, but I did meet a lister from Midland who is a >>trekker, and would like to get in touch with him. >>BTW, does anyone have a good recipe for "apple pie"???? >> >>Brian >> >>"Muzzle Loaders Have a Lot of Balls" >> >> >> >> >> >> >>RFC822 header >>----------------------------------- >> >> Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com >with ESMTP >> (SMTPD32-5.01) id AAFB2AD014A; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:22:19 -0600 >> Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1) >> id 10Y08d-0001Jz-00 >> for hist_text-goout@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:21:59 >- -0600 >> Received: from [198.60.22.22] (helo=mail.xmission.com) >> by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) >> id 10Y08b-0001Jl-00 >> for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:21:57 -0600 >> Received: from [207.46.181.18] (helo=smtp.email.msn.com) >> by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) >> id 10Y08a-0006m5-00 >> for hist_text@xmission.com; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:21:56 -0600 >> Received: from default - 208.253.170.88 by email.msn.com with Microsoft > >>SMTPSVC; >> Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:21:27 -0700 >> Message-ID: <010201be87c0$73d0ffe0$58aafdd0@default> >> From: "Brian McNutt" <b_cory_mcnutt@email.msn.com> >> To: "AMM" <hist_text@xmission.com> >> Subject: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous >> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:20:24 -0500 >> Organization: Microsoft Corporation >> X-Priority: 3 >> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 >> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 >> Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Precedence: bulk >> Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> X-RCPT-TO: <pdkeas@market1.com> >> X-UIDL: 745 >> Status: U >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: 16 Apr 99 16:31:16 -0600 >From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com> >Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:04:59 -0500 > >- --====54525251565454524948===1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Reply to: RE: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:04:59 -0500 >Lanney - Try Westminster Forge. They are really good people and have = >excellent goods. 186-822-8473. Either Tom or Don. > >DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants > >Ratcliff wrote: >>Does anyone have an address, or better yet a web site address, for the = >>makers of tin ware in Corinth, Mississippi....Jarnigan Co, I believe...or = >other makers of = >>quality tin pots, cups, etc?=A0 I am looking for a good tin coffee pot = >for a = >>friend who needs one really badly.=A0=A0 Goose Bay Workshops has a good = >tin lined = >>copper pot and I wanted to present a selection, as it were.=A0Also, has = >anyone found a = >>list of names for Ashley's 100?=A0YMOSLanney Ratcliff >> >>RFC822 header >>----------------------------------- >> >> Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com with = >ESMTP >> (SMTPD32-5.01) id AC261230102; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:02:30 -0600 >> Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1) >> id 10Xx1K-0000ug-00 >> for hist_text-goout@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:02:14 -0600 >> Received: from [207.17.189.3] (helo=3Dhamextw01.htcomp.net) >> by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) >> id 10Xx1H-0000uW-00; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:02:12 -0600 >> Received: from Ratcliff (unverified [207.17.188.62]) by hamextw01.htcomp.= >net >> (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id <B0002379839@hamextw01.htcomp.net>= >; >> Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:02:09 -0500 >> Message-ID: <001c01be87a5$271b3280$3ebc11cf@htcomp.net> >> From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> >> To: "AMM" <ammlist@lists.xmission.com> >> Cc: "History List" <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> >> Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:04:59 -0500 >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary=3D"----=3D_NextPart_000_0019_01BE877B.3D9D51C0" >> X-Priority: 3 >> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 >> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 >> Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Precedence: bulk >> Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:02:14 -0600 >> X-RCPT-TO: <pdkeas@market1.com> >> X-UIDL: 737 >> Status: U >> >- --====54525251565454524948===1 >Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ><HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY> ><PRE WIDTH=3D"132"> > Reply to: RE: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:04:59 -0500 > ></PRE> >COLOR=3D"#000000">Lanney - Try Westminster Forge. = > They are really good people and have excellent = >goods. 186-822-8473. Either Tom or Don.FACE=3D"Monaco" SIZE=3D1 COLOR=3D"#000000"> > >DON AND PHYLLIS = >KEAS ---LIving History ConsultantsFACE=3D"Geneva" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000000"> > >Ratcliff wrote:FACE=3D"Geneva" SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#000000"> >>Does anyone have = >an address, or better yet a web site address, = >for the >>makers of tin ware in Corinth, = >Mississippi....Jarnigan Co, I believe...or = >other makers of >>quality tin pots, = >cups, etc? I am looking for a good = >tin coffee pot for a >>friend who needs = >one really badly. Goose Bay = >Workshops has a good tin lined >>copper = >pot and I wanted to present a selection, = >as it were. Also, has anyone found = >a >>list of names for Ashley's 100? YMOSLanney = >Ratcliff >> >>RFC822 header >>----------------------------------- >> >> = >Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] = >by mail.market1.com with ESMTP >> = >(SMTPD32-5.01) id AC261230102; Thu, 15 Apr = >1999 19:02:30 -0600 >> Received: from = >domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim = >2.05 #1) >> id 10Xx1K-0000ug-00 >> = > for hist_text-= >goout@lists.xmission.comFACE=3D"Geneva" SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#000000">; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:02:14 = >- -0600 >> Received: from [207.17.189.3] = >(helo=3Dhamextw01.htcomp.net) >> by lists.xmission.com = >with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) >> id 10Xx1H-0000uW-00; = >Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:02:12 -0600 >> Received: = >from Ratcliff (unverified [207.17.188.62]) = >by hamextw01.htcomp.net >> (Rockliffe = >SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id <SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#0000FF">B0002379839@hamextw01.htcomp.net<= >FONT = >FACE=3D"Geneva" SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#000000">>; >> Thu, 15 = >Apr 1999 20:02:09 -0500 >> Message-ID: = ><= >001c01be87a5$271b3280$3ebc11cf@htcomp.netFACE=3D"Geneva" SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#000000">> >> From: "Ratcliff" = ><rat@htcomp.= >netFACE=3D"Geneva" SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#000000">> >> To: "AMM" = ><ammlist@= >lists.xmission.comFACE=3D"Geneva" SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#000000">> >> Cc: "History = >List" <= >hist_text@lists.xmission.comFACE=3D"Geneva" SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#000000">> >> Subject: MtMan-List: = >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:04:59 -0500 >> = >MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> = > boundary=3D"----=3D_NextPart_000_0019_01BE877B.3D9D51C0" >> = >X-Priority: 3 >> X-MSMail-Priority: = >Normal >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook = >Express 5.00.2014.211 >> X-MimeOLE: = >Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 >> = >Sender: owner-= >hist_text@lists.xmission.comFACE=3D"Geneva" SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#000000"> >> Precedence: bulk >> = >Reply-To: hist_= >text@lists.xmission.comFACE=3D"Geneva" SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#000000"> >> Date: Thu, 15 = >Apr 1999 19:02:14 -0600 >> X-RCPT-TO: = ><pdkeas@= >market1.comFACE=3D"Geneva" SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#000000">> >> X-UIDL: 737 >> = >Status: U >> </BODY></HTML> >- --====54525251565454524948===1-- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:06:16 -0600 >From: "Bob Lienemann" <buffbob@gateway.net> >Subject: RE: MtMan-List:air guns > >i've seen one air rifle, also referred to in translation from the original >German as a "wind gun", in the inventory of both the Christian's Spring >(pennsylvania) and Salem (n carolina) shops of the Moravian communities' >locksmiths and gunstockmakers. from the 1770's and 1780's. not much more >detail, but the church fathers at salem were concerned about the mischief >that was caused with the wind gun - evidently quiet mischief. there's two >in this country, in scattered locations, early. i think they were earlier >and more common that understood. > >- -----Original Message----- >From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of >hawknest4@juno.com >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 8:56 PM >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List:air guns > > > > >On 14 Apr 1999 18:42:14 -0700 <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> writes: >>Yes, Lewis & Clark had an air rifle with them that wowed the local >>Native Americans. >> >>Air guns were around long before this period, and I remember reading >>some of the best ones came from Germany, > >air guns have been around since the late 1700 and were invented in >germany if my memory serves me well. cant find my book on them so will >have to quote info from memory--- looked thru some of my books but didnt >find what i wanted---louis and clark took a air gun on their trip and to >a pump up this airgun --- it wad pumped up with a lever and the butt >stock was the air chamber---if you go to smithsonian there is one of the >same models as louis and clark took with them if i am not wrong it is >dated 1780 or around that time period---it was by a german maker and >shot lead bb's size shot but they made them that went up to about 60 gage >or around 30 something caliber if i am not mistaken-. > >american rifleman did a article on the airguns and dated them and all >several years ago---so if you do some digging you will find out about >them the one that they discuss is the one in smithsonian. I believe the >davis museum in clarimore okla had one also that is very early but later >than the louis and clark gun---very interesting piece and made later than >the one in smithsonian--- > >best date i can put on them off my head is about 1780. plus or minus 10 >years. all the early air guns were made in germany and i know of only 2 >makers and if i remember correctly they lived quite close to each other >in their villages so it leads me to thank that they probly were either >kin to each other or had a friendly match going with each other---they >were highly accurate up to about 50 yds most were smooth bore and the >shot or ball dia was almost bore dia and was drop shot ---I usto own a >gameing rifle that shot bb's but it was powered by a precussion cap---I >would patch the lead bb's with paper towels and could shoot half way thru >a 1" pine board across the living roon---got into a lot of trouble with >it with the better half---it was stolen when i got broken into---it was >made by the german maker with the same name as the air rifles in >smithsonian---I thank they made a lot of these type of guns---called them >saloon guns for the guys in the bars to use to test their marksmanship >skills--- > >bout all I can remember --best advice is go to the nra and look thru >their back issues and you will find the smithsonian gun which is the same >as the louis and clark gun--- > > >"HAWK" >Michael pierce >854 Glenfield Dr. >Palm Harbor Florida 34684 >E-mail: Hawknest4@Juno.com Phone: 1-727-771-1815 > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:30:57 GMT >From: rparker7@ix.netcom.com (Roy Parker) >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous > >On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:20:24 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hello the list! >>Just wanted to drop a short note on my first rendezvous at Comanche = >Peak. >>That was the best time I've had in ages, and met nothing but good = >people. I >>want to thank Lodgepole, Shirt, and 5 Squaws for showing me the ropes. >>I am horrible with names, but I did meet a lister from Midland who is a >>trekker, and would like to get in touch with him. >>BTW, does anyone have a good recipe for "apple pie"???? >> >>Brian >> >>"Muzzle Loaders Have a Lot of Balls" >> >> >> >> >Apple Pie: > >1 Apple >4 Quarts Tequila >Mix well. >Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith, Woodworker, and Collector. = >My job gets in the way of my hobbies. >=20 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:48:07 +0000 >From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous > >Mr. Parker: > >I don't believe we have been properly introduced, but let me say your >recipe for apple pie sparked my imagination. One apple and copious >amounts of tequilla. > >My compliments, Sir. I believe you win the prize. > >Impressed in Atlanta > >Laura Jean > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:46:05 -0600 >From: "john c. funk,jr" <j2hearts@shasta.com> >Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:17:50 -0700 > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BE883D.D1D91500 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >OK, list........ > >Here's a question for the ironmongers and the horse riders amoung'st ya. = > I need a source for either wrought iron (forged, I suspect) clips or = >fasteners which might have been used on halter ropes .....and...which = >clipped to halters. Obviously, the current brass and chrome designs = >were not in use 196 years ago, but what was....or was anything. I have = >been reminded that Millers paintings show loops (apparently) tied around = >horses necks but I have to believe some sort of clip was/might have been = >used.... >Any thoughts from the "brumby" crowd? > >John Funk > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BE883D.D1D91500 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> ><HTML> ><HEAD> > ><META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> ><META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1700"' name=3DGENERATOR> ></HEAD> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> ><DIV>OK, list........</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>Here's = >a question for=20 >the ironmongers and the horse riders amoung'st ya. I need a source = >for=20 >either wrought iron (forged, I suspect) clips or fasteners which might = >have been=20 >used on halter ropes .....and...which clipped to halters. = >Obviously, the=20 >current brass and chrome designs were not in use 196 years ago, but what = > >was....or was anything. I have been reminded that Millers = >paintings show=20 >loops (apparently) tied around horses necks but I have to believe some = >sort of=20 >clip was/might have been used....</DIV> ><DIV>Any thoughts from the = >"brumby"=20 >crowd?</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>John Funk</DIV></BODY></HTML> > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BE883D.D1D91500-- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:01:48 -0700 >From: Barbara Smith <barbsmth@portland.quik.com> >Subject: MtMan-List: Apple Pie Recipe > >Klahowya Tillicum, > >This recipe came to me from Barefoot Woman, Crazy George Passon's wife >(bourgeois of the Department of the Columbia party): > >1 gallon Apple Cider >1 Cup Brown Sugar >1 Cup Honey >5 Cinnamon Sticks >7 Whole Cloves >Juice of 1/2 lemon > >Simmer all for 45 minutes. Will reduce slightly. > >Strain out spices. > >Let cool to room temperature. > >Add 1 fifth Everclear. > >The longer it sets, the smoother it gets. Don't never go bad. > >Now, I've done this with high-proof rum and vodka, when Everclear not >available. Also real good. And I've done it with cherry, pear, and >peach juice, as well. I don't recommend the cherry, tasted like cough >syrup to me, but it went over real well at camp. I like to add Allspice >to mine, since I'm partial to it. > >Good luck and have fun! :-) > >YMDS, >- -Tassee > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:16:20 -0400 >From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous > >An APPLE??!! WOW! I KNEW I was forgetting something.. That oughta mellow it >down some.... Thanks! >D > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >- -----Original Message----- >From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> >Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 10:40 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Rendezvous > > >>Mr. Parker: >> >>I don't believe we have been properly introduced, but let me say your >>recipe for apple pie sparked my imagination. One apple and copious >>amounts of tequilla. >> >>My compliments, Sir. I believe you win the prize. >> >>Impressed in Atlanta >> >>Laura Jean >> >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:04:39 +0000 >From: Joseph Miller <niteowl@pageplus.com> >Subject: MtMan-List: Halters > >Hi List, >John Funk asked about snaps for halters on horses. >When growing up on the ranch and farm in Colorado, we never used >halters. >I was taught by elders to make a hack-a-more(halter like if you will) >with an ordinary lariat when fetching mine or other horses. >You toss the loop end of your lariat over horse's head then make like a >half hitch with trailing end of rope around horse's muzzle(nose/mouth). >Then you start leading or riding the horse. > >Sincerely, >Joseph Miller >- -- >Join the ABOUT COLORADO Discussion List-- >mailto:aboutColorado@Colorado-Mall.com >Put Subscribe in SUBJECT Line >- -- >Joseph Miller, Webmaster >http://www.Colorado-Mall.com >For information on leasing mall space >mailto:leasing@Colorado-Mall.com >To be Happy, Joyous and Free >Friends of Bill W. and Dr. Bob, Welcome! > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:55:25 -0700 >From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:04:59 -0500 > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >- ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BE8886.1FFFB700 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Lanny try Northstar maybe they still carry tin ware coffee pots. later = >Jon T=20 > >- ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BE8886.1FFFB700 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> ><HTML> ><HEAD> > ><META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> ><META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> ></HEAD> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> ><DIV>Lanny try Northstar maybe they still = >carry tin=20 >ware coffee pots. later Jon Tface=3DGeneva=20 >size=3D2> </DIV></BODY></HTML> > >- ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BE8886.1FFFB700-- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:05:39 EDT >From: hawknest4@juno.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Apple Pie Recipe > >My you folks cook up some fine apple pie---and its a real eye opener or >group tightner as required or deemed necessary by a act of god or >commission of the courts judges and pilgrem, sasquach, or everday >mountain man.---makes my tast buds come to life thats for sure--- > >"HAWK" >Michael pierce >854 Glenfield Dr. >Palm Harbor Florida 34684 >E-mail: Hawknest4@Juno.com Phone: 1-727-771-1815 > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:40:54 EDT >From: CTOAKES@aol.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:17:50 -0700 > >In a message dated 4/16/99 9:47:01 PM EST, John C. Funk Jr. writes: > ><fasteners which might have been used on halter ropes .....and...which clipped >to halters. >> > >You can get period looking hardware a many leather or tack shops. Brass >hardware was used then just as it is today as it did not rust when exposed to >weather and the salt in horse sweat. > >A trip to the library should get you many books on the history/techniques of >riding with illustrations of harnesses and bits that will show you extremely >fine leather and metal work. Granted the more military/english the riding >style the more refined the hardware and the more likely to use brass buckles. > The more western your personna the more you would lean to hackamores and a >leather halters. > >But I have seen at the Royal Muse (stables) in London and the Smithsonian in >D.C. military saddles and harnesses from the 1700,s that look just like my 20 >year old riding/jumping saddle and bridle, complete down to the hardware. > >I often use one of my strup leathers (solid brass buckle, no roller buckle) >to bind a bedroll as it gives me a spare belt, spare strup leather and it >looks just like the originals from the seventeen hundreds. > >Page 159 of the Collectors Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American >Revolution has several saddles that show "modern" style buckles. > >As saddles could and did come with the individual as he or she moved west the >quality could be quite good. > >Hit the library and you should find enough illustrations to help you select >what is correct for you personna. > >Your Humble Servant > >C.T. Oakes > >------------------------------ > >Date: 17 Apr 1999 07:22:01 -0700 >From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:04:59 -0500 > >Lanney, >We carry tin coffee pots at Clark & Sons Mercantile : http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ > >Later >YF&B > >Buck Conner >dba/Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. > >> >> Lanny try Northstar maybe they still carry tin ware coffee pots. later Jon T > > >Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: 17 Apr 1999 07:32:57 -0700 >From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> >Subject: RE: MtMan-List:air guns > >Bob, >Have you ever considered trying to build an early "wind gun" ?? If you decided to try such a thing let me know, would be interested in one in the "white" in a 32 to 36 cal. later >___________________________________________________ > >On Fri, 16 April 1999, "Bob Lienemann" wrote: > >> >> i've seen one air rifle, also referred to in translation from the original >> German as a "wind gun", in the inventory of both the Christian's Spring >> (pennsylvania) and Salem (n carolina) shops of the Moravian communities' >> locksmiths and gunstockmakers. from the 1770's and 1780's. not much more >> detail, but the church fathers at salem were concerned about the mischief >> that was caused with the wind gun - evidently quiet mischief. there's two >> in this country, in scattered locations, early. i think they were earlier >> and more common that understood. > > >Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > >------------------------------ > >End of hist_text-digest V1 #283 >******************************* > >- > To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to >"majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. 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