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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:19:59 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Patterson question

Hello the list!

Just a quick question on a pistol. Does anyone know if there are any
documented cases of the 1836 Patterson revolver (the first Colt, the one with
the folding trigger) in the fur trade prior to 1840? Any sources recommended
that I could look into?

Thanks much,
Jim

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:46:03 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: parched corn

Buck,
somewhere, somehow, I missed your address and company name, etc. can you
forward it.  Thanks in advance.

Wade

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:37:36 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn Recipes

"BRUCE S. DE LIS" wrote:

> Someone mentioned the other day that this "Parched Corn" was
> so easy to do, and there was little work involved in making
> Parched Corn.
>
> So could you share the Recipe.

Bruce,

This is how I do it. And remember I use hard indian corn. Sweet corn
works too but it hardly needs sweetening as I later explain. Start out
with dry kernels rubbed off the cob not cut off.

I like to use a cast iron skillet but I also have a popcorn popper that
swirls the kernels around on a hot "plate" under a clear bowl/lid and it
works good too. Any thing like the above will work.

Use fairly high heat but watch out for scorching, gives the finished
product a very bad taste.
In a skillet, cover the bottom with a layer or two of kernels and no oil
if you want it to keep without going rancid.
Stir constantly to keep from scorching and to continually expose all
sides of the kernels.
Listen and watch for the snapping and splitting open of the kernels.
When you don't hear those sounds or see the kernels splitting open
anymore you are done.

You can do the salt brine wash at this point and turn the parched
kernels out onto a plate, etc. or you can turn the heat down and while
they are still hot add some brown sugar, maple sugar or molasses to the
skillet to coat the kernels with a bit of sweetness. A quarter cup of
brown sugar to a batch of kernels in a 10" skillet is about right.
Continue to stir the mess until the sugar melts and sticks to the
kernels. Turn the mess out onto a plate to cool. Sugar coated parched
corn usually doesn't last long after everyone finds out you have it but
it does draw moisture and thus doesn't make for a very good trail food
in moist weather. Anything you don't understand just let me know. I
remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>
>
> B
>
> --
> "The Price Of Freedom
>      Is Not Free"

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:25:09 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn Recipes

This is a recipe that I posted a few days earlier.  It works well for =
me, but there are probably many others that work just as good.
Lanney Ratcliff

Some folks use a skillet and grease, but you can just buy Korn Nuts at =
7-11 if that will suit you.  Traditionally dry corn was cooked by =
throwing kernels in hot ashes for a while.=20
I use a sheet cake pan ( a glorified cookie sheet, if you ask me) and =
place a single layer of dried corn kernals in it and place it in a 350 =
degree oven.  After a few minutes you will hear the corn "popping".  The =
corn doesn't make popcorn, rather it "snaps and cracks" and will turn a =
light brown color.  Remove from the oven and cool.  The corn can be =
eaten as is and will store pretty much eternally.  Or the corn can be =
crushed to powder (a blender or food processor works well for this, or =
use a metate or a mortar & pestal) to make pinole, also known as =
rockahominy and other names.  A small handful consumed with the help of =
a big drink of water or eating a large pellet made by mixing a handful =
of pinole with a little water will stick to your ribs better than you =
can imagine.  Some folks season or flavor the pinole with salt or sugar =
and, sometimes, cinnamon.  Suit yourself here, but remember that salt =
tends to draw moisture.
Buy your corn from a health food store or a VERY well stocked grocery =
store.  Feed store corn might have additives that you may not want to =
eat and seed corn will almost certainly have some additives, including =
pesticides and fungicides and=20
God knows what other "cides".  The health food store will possibly have =
blue corn or "Indian" corn.  Even better.
Remember this, plain pinole is bland to the highest degree.  It can be =
counted on to feed you but it is best relegated to "iron ration" status. =
 A steady diet of the stuff will soon have you eating tree bark.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
- -----Original Message-----
From: BRUCE S. DE LIS <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 8:04 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Parched Corn Recipes


>
>
>
>Someone mentioned the other day that this "Parched Corn" was
>so easy to do, and there was little work involved in making
>Parched Corn. =20
>
>So could you share the Recipe.
>
>B
>
>--
>"The Price Of Freedom
>     Is Not Free"=20
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:15:24 -0600
From: "Brian McNutt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: greenhorn joins up

Howdy
Just joined the list, and wanted to say hi. My name is Brian, from
Weatherford, TX. I was lucky enough to get to Friendship once, and ready to
go back. All I own in the way of buckskinning is the first four books, and a
TC Hawkins 50.
Anyone from Texas please drop me a line; I'd like to know what (if anything)
is a'happening in the BIG state.
Thanks!
Brian

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:58:21 -0600
From: "Paul Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: greenhorn joins up

Brian:  Try and come to the Comanche Peak Rendezvous the second weekend in
April.   It is literally a modest stones throw away from where you live
(just West of Alvarado and East of Cleburne).  I will mail you a flyer if
you send me your address.  You will meet some fine people, including more
than a few AMM Brothers and a number of longhunters.  Even Little Lanney our
mascot dwarf will be in attendance (he publishes the newsletter for the
group and keeps me out of harms way in certain circumstances). Bring your
Hawkin, a knife, hawk and a sense of humor.  Regards,  Paul
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brian McNutt <[e-mail]>
To: AMM <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 5:22 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: greenhorn joins up


>Howdy
>Just joined the list, and wanted to say hi. My name is Brian, from
>Weatherford, TX. I was lucky enough to get to Friendship once, and ready to
>go back. All I own in the way of buckskinning is the first four books, and
a
>TC Hawkins 50.
>Anyone from Texas please drop me a line; I'd like to know what (if
anything)
>is a'happening in the BIG state.
>Thanks!
>Brian
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:10:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Ferguson rifle

I guess today is just my day for strange firearms questions, but the big color
ad in the current issue of Muzzleloader has me wondering about the Ferguson
rifle. Does anyone know if there were any examples of this weapon that made it
into the fur trade, perhaps captured from the 71st Highlanders after their
defeat at Brandywine?

Much obliged,
Jim

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:03:10 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: address request by Wade

Lanney & Roger,
I'm in the process of working over my personal web site :
http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html   new site will have the
usual buttons to take you to a number of areas; travel, camp wares, living
history sites to weapons, the tradegun of coarse. Would like to use your
recipes for parched corn along with a few others collected in the last 30-40
years. Am trying to load this site with everything I can, to be as complete
as possible in hopes of helping the new person and a few old timers that are
looking for information to sources, etc.. Will use lots of links like Lee's
and Dave's for additional information, if I get their permission. Need to
get it put together then send them samples for their approval. Should have
this site on line by mid summer, have got a good supply of information and
some really neat resources. The old site will stay the same until this has
been gone over a dozen times and proofed by the lady that handles the fancy
stuff, then incorpated into the new site using the same URL.

Wade the business site is: http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
probably get hammered for giving it out.

By the way Dennis Miles made me a pair of great knives that are excellent
quality, so if anyone needs a good knife give him some consideration at:
http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1   you won't be sorry.

Buck
dba / Clark & sons Mercantile, Inc.
_________________________________
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: parched corn


>Buck,
>somewhere, somehow, I missed your address and company name, etc. can you
>forward it.  Thanks in advance.
>
>Wade
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:38:16 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: address request by Wade

You certainly have my permission to use my recipe for parched corn or =
anything else of interest that I have posted to this site.  Thanks for =
considering it good enough to use.=20
I have three knives by Dennis's hand plus an awesome woodsman's hatchet, =
a few assorted buckles, strikers and other assorted gew gaws.  First =
class all the way.   He is a pleasure to deal with, won't take all year =
to complete an order and prices his goods fairly.  What else could you =
want?
YMOS
Lanney
- -----Original Message-----
From: Barry Conner <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 8:07 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: address request by Wade


>Lanney & Roger,
>I'm in the process of working over my personal web site :
>http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html   new site will have the
>usual buttons to take you to a number of areas; travel, camp wares, =
living
>history sites to weapons, the tradegun of coarse. Would like to use =
your
>recipes for parched corn along with a few others collected in the last =
30-40
>years. Am trying to load this site with everything I can, to be as =
complete
>as possible in hopes of helping the new person and a few old timers =
that are
>looking for information to sources, etc.. Will use lots of links like =
Lee's
>and Dave's for additional information, if I get their permission. Need =
to
>get it put together then send them samples for their approval. Should =
have
>this site on line by mid summer, have got a good supply of information =
and
>some really neat resources. The old site will stay the same until this =
has
>been gone over a dozen times and proofed by the lady that handles the =
fancy
>stuff, then incorpated into the new site using the same URL.
>
>Wade the business site is: http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
>probably get hammered for giving it out.
>
>By the way Dennis Miles made me a pair of great knives that are =
excellent
>quality, so if anyone needs a good knife give him some consideration =
at:
>http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1   you won't be sorry.
>
>Buck
>dba / Clark & sons Mercantile, Inc.
>_________________________________
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 7:47 AM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: parched corn
>
>
>>Buck,
>>somewhere, somehow, I missed your address and company name, etc. can =
you
>>forward it.  Thanks in advance.
>>
>>Wade
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:34:45 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: address request by Wade

Barry Conner wrote:

> Lanney & Roger,
>  Would like to use your
> recipes for parched corn along with a few others collected in the last 30-40
> years.

Barry,

Like Lanney said, your welcome to them and we'd be honored. Sounds like it will
be a great site when your done. I remain....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:41:43 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: parched corn

> Can I get some help on the proper powder charge for a 58 cal. North West
> trade gun?
> MadJack

MadJack,
jus last fall i got a "northwester" flinter, mine's a .62 cal./20 gauge
beaut made by a feller named jackie brown up in mississippi
(http://www.moad.com/jbrown/) an i had a heck of a time figurin' out the
lead 'n powder size, mostly cause the barrel was hand turned like the
ol' days. in them thar days the gunsmith would give ya the right size
mold fer the gun an' probly sum tips on loadin, jus call it part o' the
fun figurin' it out nowadays. i reckon it's a lifelong pursuit
considerin' fowlin' options such as roundball and patch size, shot size,
charge load, what yer huntin an' such. i've since made meat with my
smoothey by killin' deer, squirrel, rabbit, coyote, dove, quail, ducks
and soon this spring turkey. i reckon my powder load is generaly around
60-70 grains FF, although i've never counted. shot size load equal to
powder load with wad options from lubed premade to green grass.
roundball fer mine is.595 patched with the thinest ticking i could find.
i'll be puttin' it to the test at the competitions up at the
southwestern regional ronde in waldron arkansas
(http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus/swrr.htm) in a few weeks, hope to see ya
thar!
bill "missouri red" lynch
somewheres in south texas

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:19:14 -0800
From: RANDAL J BUBLITZ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Patterson question

Jim,  I believe bent's Fort had the Patterson on it's inventory list in
1838.  Also, Kit Carson had a pair at the 1838 Rendezvous.  This is from
my memory, so don't quote me. This will give you an idea on where to look
for documentation though......   hope it helps.    Hardtack
PS-don't carry these loaded {right barney ?  :)   }

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:05:27 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Paterson question

Paterson's? Loaded? Capped? Moi?   YOU CAN TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, it ain't safe;
'les of course you got double or triple restraining straps on that there
holster.  That's how i got the name Barney Fife!!! (and now i'm only allowed
to carry one bullet, in my pocket) <ggggg>

Randy's recollection is right: Paterson's were being used in the Southwest for
sure, and Carson was recorded as having worn a brace of 'em into rendezvous in
1838 or thereabouts.  The Texas Rangers got them in 1836, then asked Colt to
modify them 'cuz they could not be loaded on horseback. In '39 they received
the redesigned model with the loading lever attached to the frame; at which
point the 'old' model become obsolete, and were most likely sent up the trail.

I'll be looking for some ref's, and will post them ASAP.   yhs, Barney Fife
aka Shootz Himself aka SureShot.

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:06:45 -0800
From: Pat Laughlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: The Bloomery

I have put up some pics of the bloomery from the Ken Weaver Hammerfest.
Go to our home page and then to the Bloomery link to view them.  I'll
get some more of them up shortly.  Enjoy.
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/blythe/2/adobe.html

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:04:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Longhunter/Mountain Man question

Hello the list!

Back when I was on the list about a year ago (before I accidentally kilt my
computer) someone mentioned that they had run across a source whereas a party
in the early fur trade era was heading into the mountains. They needed guides,
and they wound up hiring two Virginia longhunters who were on their way out of
the mountains to guide them in.

Anyone know where I ought to be looking for such an incident?

Thanks,
Jim

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:33:33 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Roy Parker)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ferguson rifle

I can't answer the request, but have to say it really is an imposing
piece.  First one I saw was at the 1987 SWRR that Gene High built from
drawings he'd found somewhere.   I never shot it, but did spend a
couple hours unscrewing and rescrewing (no lewd comments from T.A.B.
members required, or wanted at this point) the breech/triggerguard
mechanism.  Marvelous piece of work.  He only made the one rifle AIR,
but folks around Dallas (ya listening Lightfoot?) can correct me if
I'm wrong.  I've got a souvenier, souveneier, sooveneer,  keepsake
photo of that SW with me in my BAR duds and that rifle.  Gotta get to
Kings Mt next time I go back to visit my ma in the Smokies.


On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:10:11 EST, you wrote:

>I guess today is just my day for strange firearms questions, but the big=
 color
>ad in the current issue of Muzzleloader has me wondering about the =
Ferguson
>rifle. Does anyone know if there were any examples of this weapon that =
made it
>into the fur trade, perhaps captured from the 71st Highlanders after =
their
>defeat at Brandywine?
>
>Much obliged,
>Jim
>

Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including =
"BS".
1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:42:31 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Longhunter/Mountain Man question

In a message dated 99-03-12 16:22:31 EST, you write:

<< They needed guides,
 and they wound up hiring two Virginia longhunters who were on their way out
of
 the mountains to guide them in.

 Anyone know where I ought to be looking for such an incident? >>


Possibly the trappers Louis & Clark met on their return leg?  They wanted to
hire 2 "guides" but Coulter was the only one the Expedition could spare?  That
would have been about Aug 15, 1806 in the journals.  Maybe not what you're
looking for, but the only thing that rings a bell here.

NM

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:56:02 -0800
From: RANDAL J BUBLITZ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Longhunter/Mountain Man question

Jim, Try the web page list archives, if it was posted at one time, it is
still there.  Manuel Lisa met John Colter coming out of the Mountains,
and Colter returned to guide him back up the river.  Is this the story
which you are remembering?    Hardtack

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:42:29 PST
From: "Bill Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Order of the Beaver

Would like to know if any are members of the North American Order of the
Beaver?
MadJack


Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:29:29 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Order of the Beaver

Bill, Not sure if we're talking about the same organization, originally
founded in Montreal. If we are, then I'm not sure if I should answer that
question, <GGG> but, I believe that, despite my protests, I may have been
granted the honor (?) of being inducted into "The Club" last November; also
received my new moniker of 'Barney Fife' at that time.  Got my medallion and
am now awaiting my registration #, etc.

"FORTITUDE IN DISTRESS"            yhs, bARNEY fIFE

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:47:51 -0600
From: "Ron and Gayle Harris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ferguson rifle

I hear ya roy!!!
It is or fine peice of work!!!
Fowls pretty bad as i recall.
Around the screws.

Commin to Commanche Peak in April???
tha "foot"
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roy Parker <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ferguson rifle


>I can't answer the request, but have to say it really is an imposing
>piece.  First one I saw was at the 1987 SWRR that Gene High built from
>drawings he'd found somewhere.   I never shot it, but did spend a
>couple hours unscrewing and rescrewing (no lewd comments from T.A.B.
>members required, or wanted at this point) the breech/triggerguard
>mechanism.  Marvelous piece of work.  He only made the one rifle AIR,
>but folks around Dallas (ya listening Lightfoot?) can correct me if
>I'm wrong.  I've got a souvenier, souveneier, sooveneer,  keepsake
>photo of that SW with me in my BAR duds and that rifle.  Gotta get to
>Kings Mt next time I go back to visit my ma in the Smokies.
>
>
>On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:10:11 EST, you wrote:
>
>>I guess today is just my day for strange firearms questions, but the big
color
>>ad in the current issue of Muzzleloader has me wondering about the
Ferguson
>>rifle. Does anyone know if there were any examples of this weapon that
made it
>>into the fur trade, perhaps captured from the 71st Highlanders after their
>>defeat at Brandywine?
>>
>>Much obliged,
>>Jim
>>
>
>Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including
"BS".
>1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:52:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Bloomery

On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Pat Laughlin wrote:
> I have put up some pics of the bloomery from the Ken Weaver Hammerfest.

Curious Pat... how many pounds of Iron did ya'll extract per pound of
ore?  Per day?

Regards

Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
NMLRA member 058863
email at [e-mail]
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:34:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: parched corn

HOT CAKES??  I thought this was  pre 1840.  Hot Cakes were the big new food of
the Worlds Fair.  Introduced in I think 1846.

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