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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:34:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: recipes

To all my brothers and sisters in the great state of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY
KIDDING!!!!!!

But seriously,  was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can read) and all
of the meals were based around parched corn.  Can anyone tell me how to parch
corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along.
Thanks, y'all
Wade

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 05:59:35 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

It IS good advice to watch where you put your hands (or anything else) =
becaues in addition to stinging, sticking and stinking some of the =
varmits down here bite, too.
Y'all come.
Lanney Ratcliff
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas


>I once read in some book or the other, "that everything in Texas, =
either
>stings, sticks or stinks."  Hmmmm?
>
>Lil griz
>

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:22:18 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes

Some folks use a skillet and grease, but you can just buy Korn Nuts at =
7-11 if that will suit you.  Traditionally dry corn was cooked by =
throwing kernels in hot ashes for a while.=20
I use a sheet cake pan ( a glorified cookie sheet, if you ask me) and =
place a single layer of dried corn kernals in it and place it in a 350 =
degree oven.  After a few minutes you will hear the corn "popping".  The =
corn doesn't make popcorn, rather it "snaps and cracks" and will turn a =
light brown color.  Remove from the oven and cool.  The corn can be =
eaten as is and will store pretty much eternally.  Or the corn can be =
crushed to powder (a blender or food processor works well for this, or =
use a metate or a mortar & pestal) to make pinole, also known as =
rockahominy and other names.  A small handful consumed with the help of =
a big drink of water or eating a large pellet made by mixing a handful =
of pinole with a little water will stick to your ribs better than you =
can imagine.  Some folks season or flavor the pinole with salt or sugar =
and, sometimes, cinnamon.  Suit yourself here, but remember that salt =
tends to draw moisture.
Buy your corn from a health food store or a VERY well stocked grocery =
store.  Feed store corn might have additives that you may not want to =
eat and seed corn will almost certainly have some additives, including =
pesticides and fungicides and=20
God knows what other "cides".  The health food store will possibly have =
blue corn or "Indian" corn.  Even better.
Remember this, plain pinole is bland to the highest degree.  It can be =
counted on to feed you but it is best relegated to "iron ration" status. =
 A steady diet of the stuff will soon have you eating tree bark.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 11:51 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: recipes


>To all my brothers and sisters in the great state of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY
>KIDDING!!!!!!
> =20
>But seriously,  was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can read) =
and all
>of the meals were based around parched corn.  Can anyone tell me how to =
parch
>corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along. =20
>Thanks, y'all
>Wade=20
>

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:43:38 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

I have you know I resemble that ! ! !
Pendleton

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> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas
> Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 11:22 PM
>
> I once read in some book or the other, "that everything in Texas, either
> stings, sticks or stinks."  Hmmmm?
>
> Lil griz

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:52:59 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

And they got big-assed spiders too...<G>

D

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 12:12:28 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes

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[e-mail] wrote:

> To all my brothers and sisters in the great state of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY
> KIDDING!!!!!!
>
> But seriously,  was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can read) and all
> of the meals were based around parched corn.  Can anyone tell me how to parch
> corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along.
> Thanks, y'all
> Wade

Wade,

I see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive post on this subject and there isn't
much to add but I do have a couple of ideas to go with what Lanney sent.

Some folks use the hard kernel indian corn that Lanney mentions and that is what
I like to use too but it is a bit bland to say the least. I do have some friends
that like to use dry sweet corn kernels instead. they puff up like the indian
corn but are not as hard on the teeth and are a naturally sweeter eat. One thing
you can do with indian corn is, like Lanney mentioned, add sugar. I do it in a
skillet just after the kernels stop snapping and are puffed up as much as they
will be. Take granulated brown sugar, maple sugar or syrup and or molasses and
mix in about a 1/4 cup or so while the kernels are still hot. You will need to
reduce the heat a bit so you don't burn the sugars. You want to slowly bring the
sugars up to the point where they melt and start to coat the corn kernels. In the
case of the liquid sugars, you will have to slowly let the moisture in them
evaporate. The drier you can get this mix the better because the sugar coating on
your corn can and will draw moisture and you don't want to start out with sticky
coatings right off. When done, just dump it all out on a big plate or cookie
sheet and let cool. You can then carefully bust it up and bag or store it however
you see fit. I don't recommend that you parch your corn with oil since that will
make it hard to coat with sugar and make it go rancid faster.  Keep it dry! Oh,
yea, Keep it away from your kids. I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'


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<blockquote TYPE=CITE>To all my brothers and sisters in the great state
of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY
<br>KIDDING!!!!!!
<p>But seriously,  was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can
read) and all
<br>of the meals were based around parched corn.  Can anyone tell
me how to parch
<br>corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along.
<br>Thanks, y'all
<br>Wade</blockquote>
Wade,
<p>I see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive post on this subject and
there isn't much to add but I do have a couple of ideas to go with what
Lanney sent.
<p>Some folks use the hard kernel indian corn that Lanney mentions and
that is what I like to use too but it is a bit bland to say the least.
I do have some friends that like to use dry sweet corn kernels instead.
they puff up like the indian corn but are not as hard on the teeth and
are a naturally sweeter eat. One thing you can do with indian corn is,
like Lanney mentioned, add sugar. I do it in a skillet just after the kernels
stop snapping and are puffed up as much as they will be. Take granulated
brown sugar, maple sugar or syrup and or molasses and mix in about a 1/4
cup or so while the kernels are still hot. You will need to reduce the
heat a bit so you don't burn the sugars. You want to slowly bring the sugars
up to the point where they melt and start to coat the corn kernels. In
the case of the liquid sugars, you will have to slowly let the moisture
in them evaporate. The drier you can get this mix the better because the
sugar coating on your corn can and will draw moisture and you don't want
to start out with sticky coatings right off. When done, just dump it all
out on a big plate or cookie sheet and let cool. You can then carefully
bust it up and bag or store it however you see fit.<i> </i>I don't recommend
that you parch your corn with oil since that will make it hard to coat
with sugar and make it go rancid faster.  Keep it dry! Oh, yea, Keep
it away from your kids. I remain......
<p>YMOS
<br>Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:20:06 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes

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Capt
That is a cracker jack of a recipe.  If I weren't a dang diabetic I =
would rush into the kitchen and whup up a batch right now.  I'm willing =
to bet that if you don't get some hot water into that sugared up skillet =
pretty soon after taking out the glazed corn She Who Must Be Obeyed will =
be less that happy.  Way less.
YMOS
Lanney
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
    To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
    Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 2:18 PM
    Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes
   =20
   =20
     =20
    [e-mail] wrote:=20

        To all my brothers and sisters in the great state of TEXAS, I =
WAS ONLY=20
        KIDDING!!!!!!=20
        But seriously,  was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can =
read) and all=20
        of the meals were based around parched corn.  Can anyone tell me =
how to parch=20
        corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along.=20
        Thanks, y'all=20
        Wade

    Wade,=20
    I see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive post on this subject and =
there isn't much to add but I do have a couple of ideas to go with what =
Lanney sent.=20

    Some folks use the hard kernel indian corn that Lanney mentions and =
that is what I like to use too but it is a bit bland to say the least. I =
do have some friends that like to use dry sweet corn kernels instead. =
they puff up like the indian corn but are not as hard on the teeth and =
are a naturally sweeter eat. One thing you can do with indian corn is, =
like Lanney mentioned, add sugar. I do it in a skillet just after the =
kernels stop snapping and are puffed up as much as they will be. Take =
granulated brown sugar, maple sugar or syrup and or molasses and mix in =
about a 1/4 cup or so while the kernels are still hot. You will need to =
reduce the heat a bit so you don't burn the sugars. You want to slowly =
bring the sugars up to the point where they melt and start to coat the =
corn kernels. In the case of the liquid sugars, you will have to slowly =
let the moisture in them evaporate. The drier you can get this mix the =
better because the sugar coating on your corn can and will draw moisture =
and you don't want to start out with sticky coatings right off. When =
done, just dump it all out on a big plate or cookie sheet and let cool. =
You can then carefully bust it up and bag or store it however you see =
fit. I don't recommend that you parch your corn with oil since that will =
make it hard to coat with sugar and make it go rancid faster.  Keep it =
dry! Oh, yea, Keep it away from your kids. I remain......=20

    YMOS=20
    Capt. Lahti'=20
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    recipes<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> =20
    <P><A href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A> =
wrote:=20
    <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE =3D CITE>To all my brothers and sisters in the =
great=20
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yes I can=20
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corn.  Can=20
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recipes=20
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:02:47 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

Pablo,
  Unfortunately you are exactly right about Travis.  Given that the
treatment for social diseases in that time was large doses of mercury, and
the term mad as a hatter refers to the exposure to mercury, it may well be
that our Hero wasn't quite right.  Never the less, that letter is the stuff
of legends and every time I read it makes it what little hair I have stand
on end.
Pendleton

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> From: Paul Jones <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas
> Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:27 PM
>
> Boys, I grant Travis was a man of the moment and is special to our
history.
> But remember this is the same man who kept a diary during his years in
Texas
> detailing his numerous affairs in the foulest manner you can imagine,
even
> citing how much he paid.  He is also the man who, although still married
to
> the mother of his beloved son (both living in another state where he had
> left them some years before while he sought his fortune in Texas), got
> engaged to a respectable young lady in Tejas, and left her a legacy of a
> serious "social disease" whose terminal stages of dementia he avoided
with
> his untimely demise at the Alamo.  Reading the diary (available in all
its
> glory at the State Archives) gives the other side of his "literary" bent,
> and it is sadly a far cry from the eloquence of his missives from the
Alamo.
> I guess we just need to take our heroes, warts and all.  Paul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glenn Darilek <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>; AMM
> <[e-mail]>
> Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas
>
>
> >Yes, Travis was a very expressive and literate hero.  On March 3, in the
> >midst of the seige of the Alamo, Travis wrote to his friend Jesse
Grimes:
> >
> >"Take good care of my little boy.  If the country should be saved, I may
> >make him a splended fortune; but if the country should be lost, and I
> should
> >perish, he will have nothing but the proud recollection that he is the
son
> >of a man who died for his country."
> >
> >If that don't get you, nothing will.
> >
> >Glenn Darilek
> >Iron Burner
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
> >
> >
> >>Even if you aren't Texan or even if you don't particularly like Texans,
> >everybody should certainly hold very dear the courage and fidelity shown
by
> >heroes.
> >
> >
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:07:26 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

Oh hell Dennis, they ain't nothing but bugs.
Pendleton

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> From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas
> Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 7:52 AM
>
> And they got big-assed spiders too...<G>
>
> D
>
>    "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>   Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>     http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>
>

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:19:59 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

Paul,
Saw a short article about additional information has been found at an estate
sale (papers or a journal) written about Travis and Davey C., according to
the article the information has been checked and found to have belonged to
one of Travis's officers.
There is a updated book being written about this new found information,
guess Travis was complaining about Davey crying as the fight neared, and had
to be moved away from his men for a period, damn that sure screwed up by
idea of this man - bet Walt Disney rolled over on this one. That was pretty
much all that was of interest in this article seen a month or two ago in the
Denver paper.

If we had the ability to see what really happened in many of these events,
boy would that change history. Saw an article that was written years ago
about some of the different groups that fought for different causes from the
F&I War right up to Nam. Information was from journals, newspaper interviews
and government reports, seems many of the one's that fought in many of the
engagement weren't there for God and country as we have been led to believe.
Many just flat liked to fight, enjoy the soils of war, and the benefits of
wine-women-and song, along with anything else found, the older we get the
more we find how we have been led down a pretty little lane.

Later

Buck

- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Jones <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas


>Boys, I grant Travis was a man of the moment and is special to our history.
>But remember this is the same man who kept a diary during his years in
Texas
>detailing his numerous affairs in the foulest manner you can imagine, even
>citing how much he paid.  He is also the man who, although still married to
>the mother of his beloved son (both living in another state where he had
>left them some years before while he sought his fortune in Texas), got
>engaged to a respectable young lady in Tejas, and left her a legacy of a
>serious "social disease" whose terminal stages of dementia he avoided with
>his untimely demise at the Alamo.  Reading the diary (available in all its
>glory at the State Archives) gives the other side of his "literary" bent,
>and it is sadly a far cry from the eloquence of his missives from the
Alamo.
>I guess we just need to take our heroes, warts and all.  Paul
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Glenn Darilek <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>; AMM
><[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:05 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas
>
>
>>Yes, Travis was a very expressive and literate hero.  On March 3, in the
>>midst of the seige of the Alamo, Travis wrote to his friend Jesse Grimes:
>>
>>"Take good care of my little boy.  If the country should be saved, I may
>>make him a splended fortune; but if the country should be lost, and I
>should
>>perish, he will have nothing but the proud recollection that he is the son
>>of a man who died for his country."
>>
>>If that don't get you, nothing will.
>>
>>Glenn Darilek
>>Iron Burner
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
>>
>>
>>>Even if you aren't Texan or even if you don't particularly like Texans,
>>everybody should certainly hold very dear the courage and fidelity shown
by
>>heroes.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: 04 Mar 99 20:09:07 -0700
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes

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People in Colorado never apologize to  Texans

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants

Roger Lahti wrote:
>=A0
>[e-mail] wrote:
>To all my brothers and sisters in the great state of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY
>KIDDING!!!!!!
>But seriously,=A0 was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can read) =
and all
>of the meals were based around parched corn.=A0 Can anyone tell me how to =
parch
>corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along.
>Thanks, y'all
>Wade
>Wade,
>I see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive post on this subject and =
there =
>isn't much to add but I do have a couple of ideas to go with what Lanney =
sent.
>Some folks use the hard kernel indian corn that Lanney mentions and that =
is =
>what I like to use too but it is a bit bland to say the least. I do have =
some =
>friends that like to use dry sweet corn kernels instead. they puff up =
like the =
>indian corn but are not as hard on the teeth and are a naturally sweeter =
eat. One =
>thing you can do with indian corn is, like Lanney mentioned, add sugar. I =
do it in a =
>skillet just after the kernels stop snapping and are puffed up as much as =
they =
>will be. Take granulated brown sugar, maple sugar or syrup and or =
molasses and mix =
>in about a 1/4 cup or so while the kernels are still hot. You will need =
to =
>reduce the heat a bit so you don't burn the sugars. You want to slowly =
bring the =
>sugars up to the point where they melt and start to coat the corn kernels.=
 In the case =
>of the liquid sugars, you will have to slowly let the moisture in them =
>evaporate. The drier you can get this mix the better because the sugar =
coating on your =
>corn can and will draw moisture and you don't want to start out with =
sticky coatings =
>right off. When done, just dump it all out on a big plate or cookie sheet =
and =
>let cool. You can then carefully bust it up and bag or store it however =
you see =
>fit. I don't recommend that you parch your corn with oil since that will =
make it =
>hard to coat with sugar and make it go rancid faster.=A0 Keep it dry! Oh, =
yea, Keep it =
>away from your kids. I remain......
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>=A0
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:27:34 -0800
From: butch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

larry pendleton wrote:
>
> Pablo,
>   Unfortunately you are exactly right about Travis.  Given that the
> treatment for social diseases in that time was large doses of mercury, and
> the term mad as a hatter refers to the exposure to mercury, it may well be
> that our Hero wasn't quite right.  Never the less, that letter is the stuff
> of legends and every time I read it makes it what little hair I have stand
> on end.
> Pendleton


    Heroes are human beings who happen to get it together at
the right time and in the right place.  I don't mean to take
anything away from Travis or Crockett by saying that;  I
mean that all humans are prone to mistakes and bad moves.
What counts is how we stand up when the crunch comes.  And
all these men stood up just fine.

    As to crying, meeting death on the moment in the heat of a
fight is one thing.  Seeing it coming for days and knowing
damn well you *are* going to die is quite another.  Standing
and dying in place when the time comes and doing the best
you can with it is what counts, at least with me.  All these
men did that.  Could I?  Could you?  I dunno, but I sure
respect any man or woman who has.  Crazy or afraid or
anything else.  The fact that I can respect a brave and
courageous act doesn't mean that I necessarily admire the
rest of someone's life, and vice versa.  Just gotta play it
as it lays, I guess.


    Butch

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:34:28 -0600
From: "Paul Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

I am looking forward to seeing the new book.

The Mexicans (not the military) were in close communication with the
defenders.  A number of their hispanic relatives died in the fight on the
Texan side.  Many in Bexar (San Antonio) were well aware that many of the
defenders would prefer a way out.  One Mexican army officer stated that the
final attack was moved up so as to forstall what Santa Anna understood to be
an offer of surrender.  Who is to say?  The recently auctioned tome by an
officer who greatly respected the Texians and did not care at all for his
General states that Crockett did surrender on an offer of quarter, but that
Santa Anna refused to honor the grant and some of his officers or men hacked
Crockett and and several others to death with sabers.  The officer said that
most Mexican officers were greatly offended by the action and that Crockett
and the others died with dignity.

That report raises ire with some of the Crockett fans, but interestingly
enough the same general story was reported in several US newspapers within a
month or so of the battle.

Also of note is that we now know of at least three men who got out on the
morning of the final battle during the general confusion.  Two are
identified.  One of them died of wounds within weeks.  The third is unknown.
He managed to get to a bridge over the river and hid.  Some hours after the
fight had ended a Mexican woman getting water saw him and called some
troops.  He was killed on the spot.

Regardless, it was a historic moment and the time given Houston was a factor
in his ultimate victory.

Some really interesting reading is a set of depositions given in a libel and
slander suit from the late 1850's or early 60's.  One of the participants at
San Jacinto was spreading the story that an officer had killed an unarmed
Mexican woman during the battle.  The officer denied it and sued.  Houston
and four or five others gave testimony and the case was dropped.  He did
kill her as alleged.  What is unique about the depositions is that they are
the only known eye-witness accounts of that fight and were not recorded
until some 20 odd years.  I think that the fight was so brutal and the men
so out of control that most wanted to forget the details of the fight.  The
only Mexican buried after the battle was the woman.  The rest of the bodies
were left to rot and the remains were a major tourist attraction for several
years with steam boats from the new town of Houston making the run on a
regular schedule.  The old lady who owned the land petitioned the new
government to remove or bury the bodies,  but her request was never honored.

As a final thought, Houston and Texas were damned lucky that Santa Anna was
a worm and that one or more of the general officers still in the field did
not ignore the order to return to Mexico.  The best troops and officers were
still at hand and I think could have taken Houston out without much of a
fight.  Most of his men were out of powder and balls after San Jacinto and a
goodly percentage of their rifles were broken or damaged from pounding on
Mexican skulls.  It would have been interesting to have had the fight
continue, if for no other reason than to learn whether Jackson would have
let his General and troops on the La. border enter the fray.

Get a copy of the Book "Empire of Bones."  It recounts the battle of San
Jacinto and uses the material from the depositions to some degree.

That was an amazing era, and the mixture of bravery and knavery was
remarkably balanced.  I take nothing from those men, they won the day and
history records their glory.  However, just below the surface, the story
gets a bit murky, and to me, all the more interesting.

Sorry to have preached for so long, but I love Texas history--both the
public view and what appear to be the real stories.  Each has its place and
each can teach us a great deal.

Sometime get me wound up about the early rangers.  That is truely a story
with a mixed bag of good and evil, bravery and down right foolishness, and
one hell of a lot of misreporting.  But it is a tale worth knowing about
both sides of the nickel as it were, and another example of why Texans are
larger than life--at least that is what my first grade teacher told me.

Paul
- -----Original Message-----
From: Barry Conner <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas


>Paul,
>Saw a short article about additional information has been found at an
estate
>sale (papers or a journal) written about Travis and Davey C., according to
>the article the information has been checked and found to have belonged to
>one of Travis's officers.
>There is a updated book being written about this new found information,
>guess Travis was complaining about Davey crying as the fight neared, and
had
>to be moved away from his men for a period, damn that sure screwed up by
>idea of this man - bet Walt Disney rolled over on this one. That was pretty
>much all that was of interest in this article seen a month or two ago in
the
>Denver paper.
>
>If we had the ability to see what really happened in many of these events,
>boy would that change history. Saw an article that was written years ago
>about some of the different groups that fought for different causes from
the
>F&I War right up to Nam. Information was from journals, newspaper
interviews
>and government reports, seems many of the one's that fought in many of the
>engagement weren't there for God and country as we have been led to
believe.
>Many just flat liked to fight, enjoy the soils of war, and the benefits of
>wine-women-and song, along with anything else found, the older we get the
>more we find how we have been led down a pretty little lane.
>
>Later
>
>Buck
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Jones <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 9:25 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas
>
>
>>Boys, I grant Travis was a man of the moment and is special to our
history.
>>But remember this is the same man who kept a diary during his years in
>Texas
>>detailing his numerous affairs in the foulest manner you can imagine, even
>>citing how much he paid.  He is also the man who, although still married
to
>>the mother of his beloved son (both living in another state where he had
>>left them some years before while he sought his fortune in Texas), got
>>engaged to a respectable young lady in Tejas, and left her a legacy of a
>>serious "social disease" whose terminal stages of dementia he avoided with
>>his untimely demise at the Alamo.  Reading the diary (available in all its
>>glory at the State Archives) gives the other side of his "literary" bent,
>>and it is sadly a far cry from the eloquence of his missives from the
>Alamo.
>>I guess we just need to take our heroes, warts and all.  Paul
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Glenn Darilek <[e-mail]>
>>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>; AMM
>><[e-mail]>
>>Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:05 PM
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas
>>
>>
>>>Yes, Travis was a very expressive and literate hero.  On March 3, in the
>>>midst of the seige of the Alamo, Travis wrote to his friend Jesse Grimes:
>>>
>>>"Take good care of my little boy.  If the country should be saved, I may
>>>make him a splended fortune; but if the country should be lost, and I
>>should
>>>perish, he will have nothing but the proud recollection that he is the
son
>>>of a man who died for his country."
>>>
>>>If that don't get you, nothing will.
>>>
>>>Glenn Darilek
>>>Iron Burner
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Even if you aren't Texan or even if you don't particularly like Texans,
>>>everybody should certainly hold very dear the courage and fidelity shown
>by
>>>heroes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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