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hist_text-digest       Sunday, November 15 1998       Volume 01 : Number 174




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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:34:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: direction?

In a message dated 11/12/98 4:22:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< never heard either term - so if I'm wrong please correct)  But they use
 it in reference to the river banks such as a
 river might enter upon the larboard side.  My question is:  do their
 references to left and right change when they
 change direction in relation to river flow.  Is larboard (their left)
 when facing up the Missouri still their left when

Hi, Kurt

I this case their reference point is their own boat not the river itself so we
have to know from somewhere else which direction they are traveling. Larboard
for left was discarded in favor of Port because it was too close in sound to
starboard.
Now what about the word POSH?

Tom

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:35:18 -0600
From: Jim Colburn <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Off-list replies to "Re: Cabelas Flintlock"

Washtahay-
    I must say, I have enjoyed the many off-list replies to my comments in
Re:Cabelas Flintlock".  To save myself time, I am replying to the list.
    Generally speaking, the replies to me have fallen into three categories:
1. Death threats; 2. Comments on my perceived masculinity (or lack
thereof); and 3. Personal attacks.  Responses follow.
    Death threats.  I request you guys get together and do this in groups of
three, I could use the entertainment.  Please do do this while I am
alone-my friends will insist I share.  And no, the day will never come when
you see me  unarmed.
    Comments on my perceived masculinity (or lack thereof).  Ask your mothers,
sisters, wives, and daughters-they all say I do it better than you.
    Personal attacks:  Grow up.  One of the more literate examples is at the
bottom of this post, along with my response.
    I can't believe the emotional investment people seem to have in their
decision to purchase a particular firearm!  Simply because someone
disagrees with you is no reason to threaten to "cach you at a dondy and cut
you r face off".  If you are happy with the weapon you have chosen, great-I
am happy for you.  But when you say "its a great gun, I only had to fix
this, that, and the other thing" you are acknowledging that the weapon you
chose is not adequate for the purpose for which you purchased it.  You did
buy that rifle to SHOOT didn't you?
    I am at a loss as to how to respond when someone insists that their rifle
is "authentic" when even the manufacturer acknowledges that it is not an
accurate reproduction and was never intended to be one.  I have to believe
this person is joking.  Surely no one would demonstrate their ignorance in
such a manner, would they?
    Have a nice evening.  I get to figure out how to set a filter in this
e-mail program...
LongWalker c. du B., etc

One of the more literate replies received off list, and my response:
>>Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:09:49 -0600
>>From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
>>
>>What do you consider full time? My day is 16 hours long counting the
>>commute. And I do not have time for TV. I believe you admitted to buying a
>>"cheap" gun for your ex, what happened she get tired of your obsession?
>>So with working 2 "full time jobs" and working at a gas station on the week
>>ends,when do you have time to go to rendezvous or on a trek
>    Generally speaking, full time is considered to be 40+ hours per week.  I
bought the CVA Squirrel Rifle for my wife when she stated she would like to
have one to shoot-not because it was "cheap".  The reason for the divorce
has nothing to do with what you suggest, but frankly it is none of your
business.  I never said I am currently "working at a gas station on the
week ends"-I suggested that as a possible way (one I have used in the past)
to gain the money to acquire a more-desirable item.  When do I have time to
go to rendezvous or on a trek?  You'll never know, we are selective about
who we invite.
    Having more entertaining ways to spend my time than responding to the
demands of individuals with a mental age <5 years, no further messages on
this subject will be acknowledged.
    Have a nice day.

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:01:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: direction?

POSH? thank goodness we've moved on to the Port Out, Starboard Home theory.
(he said as he ordered a new delete-key button cover).

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:58:21 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: in-lines

Sorry guys I messed up, "on 150-200 yard killing shots with these weapons
..........".

As far as PA, had a relation that was involved in helping to setup their
rules for type of guns to be used, igntion, propellant, projectile, etc. We
had talked about it on a visit to PA, at the time I was President of the
Colorado State Muzzle Loading Assn.

Got home went to the Colorado State Shoot in Leadville, at the Sat night
campfire I made mention of PA having "Flintlock" only in the conversation.
Someone overheard this, thought the State Assn was going to try and take
away precussion guns and one of the 100% membership clubs quit the State
Assn. right then!!!!

Since that time and 14-15 years of decated service to the State Assn. I have
been quite about types of: igntion, patched round ball, etc., (had to do
some serious ass kissing to get that club back over the years).  Then here
comes this in-line thing and these fools writing how good they are and
everyone and their dog are interested, as Kirk and others have mentioned,
another season and in a good weather one at that, so much for a primitive
weapons season if we are not on our toes.

Its hard to change the rules back once these groups get in, so be careful
and protect your season with writing your state senators, congressman and
lobby your Moose & Goose Departments.

Buck
______________________________
- -----Original Message-----
From: Barry Conner <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: in-lines


>In Colorado we pressured Fish & Game a few years ago with our muzzle
loading
>assn. to change the rules to get rid of in-lines. This passed and
everything
>was cool, then came the big buck manufactures that make the in-lines and
>started making donations to the boys in Colorado government this past year,
>so we're not sure if the tables will turn again or not. This will happen
>more than we like to think when these companies start looking at the
special
>seasons and revenue lost from that state's hunters not being able to use
>their products.
>
>Have you seen some of the articles in hunting magazines with editors
>claiming 150-200 killing shots with these weapons and there pills measured
>in 30-50 grain loads. Just what we need some damn fool wounding more
animals
>and fuel for the fire from the animal lovers.
>
>Buck
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mill, Kirk <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 6:38 AM
>Subject: MtMan-List: RE: in-lines
>
>
>>Here in PA,  it is flintlock, patched roundball, open sights only. I see
>>very few in-lines at the range. This supports the theory that folks only
>buy
>>them to extend their hunting season. A lot of writers in the sporting
>>magazines denigrate PA for their restrictions, but we kinda like it this
>>way, and you don't see many non-residents during ML season.
>>Kirk Mill
>>
>>
>> Don't worry that the muzzleloader season will continue to degrade
>>into an arms
>> and tecnology race for the best way to cheat.  Colorado will be
>>banning inlines
>> during ML big game seasons, or already has, if my memory serves me
>>right.  Here
>> in Nevada only open sights are allowed, and that really takes away
>>the benefit
>> of  an inline anyway.
>>
>> Your most onry' and disobediant hivernant.
>> Sega
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:16:26 -0700 (MST)
From: Clay Landry <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: unsubscribe

unsubscribe
Clay Landry
P.O. Box 1033
Columbus MT 59019
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:31:23 -0600
From: "yellow rose/pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?

Well said Capt., but here it is in real terms. Anybody that would shoot a
inline plasic stocked blackpowder rifle would no doubt eat dung and bark at
the moon.
Pendleton

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> From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 10:37 AM
>
> Dear Friend,
>
> Yes Correy, there is a knight stalker out there that will take
unbelievers in the knight. They will find themselves caught between two
worlds ever to ride the line between real and unreal. Some make it back. We
try to save as many as we can. But there are few of us and the minions of
the knight stalker are many. Some never come to the true path, forever
doomed and cursed to walk where they know not who they are. They think they
belong but they don't. They are not truly of our world and they are not
truly of the Other World. We would welcome them in but as long as they
carry the cursed impurity they can not truly walk the Path. Guard your
selves My Sons and Daughters. Do not be tempted by the Evil Dressed in
Modern Sophistication. Keep close to your bosom the guards against evil we
live by: Powder, Patch, and Ball. With my Friend True Rifle WE Shall
Conquer ALL. I remain.....
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
>
> Corey Tretteen wrote:
>
> > I think I just felt a blast of cold air...   the presence of evilness,
maybe?
> >
> > >>> Roger Lahti <[e-mail]> 11/11 10:33 AM >>>
> > Corey,
> >
> > Picture a modern bolt action rifle with bolt action and all the other
lines typical of that style of firearm, probably with a
> > plastic stock. Now load it from the muzzle as you would a normal ML'r.
Now work the bolt as you would to insert a cartridge
> > into the chamber. Instead of a cartridge, you will put a cap or high
power primer on a nipple and close the bolt. The rifle is
> > now ready to shoot. Kinda leaves you cold don't it! I remain........
> >
> > YMOS
> > Capt. Lahti'
> >
> > Corey Tretteen wrote:
> >
> > > "but if he's willing to make the attempt to LOOK PERIOD CORRECT(and
not show up with one of those damn inline bp burners)"
> > >
> > > Ok, question.   whats an inline BP burner?   I get that it is a
rifle, but what is the inline refering to?
> > >
> > > Corey
> >
> >












       !
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:22:15 -0600
From: "yellow rose/pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: direction?

Excuse me if i ruffled any feathers, but the initial posting was refering
to trying to find the location of a fort. I THINK ! ! Has anybody stopped
to think it is highly likely that the course of the river has changed in
the last 175 years. I'll admit to being bored by the discussion, but  I did
not mean to belittle those that weren't.
Pendleton

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> From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: direction?
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 1:46 PM
>
> Contrary to one posting I've found this an interesting thread.
>
> For those looking for an early nineteenth century online dictionary,
which
> they claim Noah wrote.
> <<http://www.christiantech.com/>http://www.christiantech.com>
>
> The following is from Webster's 1828 Dictionary which supports of the
> downstream
> dominant position.  Does that sound kinky?
>
> LEFT:
>
<<http://www.christiantech.com/cgi-bin/webster.exe?search_for_cgi-bin/texts
>
/web1828=left>http://www.christiantech.com/cgi-bin/webster.exe?search_for_c
> gi-bin/texts/web1828=left>
>
> "2. The left bank of a river, is that which is on the left hand of a
person
> whose face is towards the mouth of the river."
>
> RIGHT:
>
<<http://www.christiantech.com/cgi-bin/webster.exe?search_for_cgi-bin/texts
>
/web1828=right>http://www.christiantech.com/cgi-bin/webster.exe?search_for_
> cgi-bin/texts/web1828=right>
>
> "13. Being on the right hand of a person whose face is towards the mouth
of a
> river; as the right bank of the Hudson."
>
> Also supporting this position is the Seine River of France.  The famous
Left
> Bank is on the South and the less famous Right Bank on the North as the
river
> flows West through Paris and then turns north to empty into the English
> Channel.  Consistent with the dictionaries.  I suspect because
landlubbers
> consider rivers primary waterways which flow from a source to the mouth.

>
> Now I have a question for the old salts.  If the sea is the dominant
factor in
> determining which is the "right" side of a navigable waterway marked
under
> maritime rules, which side is the "right side" of the Panama Canal?  What
> about
> channels between seas, like the English Channel?
>
> John...
>
>
> At 01:12 AM 11/11/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hello the List,
> >
> >The meaning of right and left when applied to the *BANKS* of a river is
> >clear and unambigious in all dictionaries. Note that refering correctly
> >to the *BANK* of a river is a separate matter from what is the right
> >side of river's mouth or a channel to a sailor returning from the sea.
> >Careful authors like Morgan use words according to their dictionary
> >definitions. Setting personal opinions aside, I would like anyone to
> >cite any dictionary anywhere that defines right BANK and left BANK
> >differently from the crystal clear statement that follows:
> >
> >"Note: In designating the banks of a river, right and left are used
> >always with reference to the position of one who is facing in the
> >direction of the current's flow."
> >
> >- Websters Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
> ><http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict>http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict
> >
> >If I can find a 19th century online dictionary it will say the same
> >thing and I'll bring it to your attention, but it isn't the dictionaries
> >that argue about this definition, just us.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
> John Kramer  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:26:57 -0700
From: "Ron" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Floor cloth?

Allen or Clay,

In BOB VII pg.29, the terms "floor cloth drawers" and "green floor cloth
drawers" are mentioned.

What is "floor cloth"?
What would it be known as today if available?

Thanks,
Ron

Lanney there's a link to your "Letter...." at link below. THANKS!


Lewis Fork Free Trappers
<http://www.ida.net/users/cstmzd/Trappers.html>
Email <[e-mail]>

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