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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:44:13 -0400
From: "Mill, Kirk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: Waxing gourds

Hi Henry, I have been making gourd canteens a bit lately. I have been
sealing the inside with paraffin as you describe. My question is, I still
get a gourdy taste to the water. Is there anyway to eliminate this? It's not
a big problem but if there is some trick I am missing I'd like to know.
Also, I have been varnishing the outside of the gourd. I sew a piece of wet
rawhide around the neck, leaving a loop and let it dry to facilitate
carrying.

Kirk Mill

    As for technique, I pour hot wax into the gourd after seeds and as
much
    inner skin, etc. as possible have been removed

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:29:20 -0500
From: "Colleen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Waxing gourds

I have used a large water gourd for 2 years now and all that I have
done with it is once the water has an odd taste to it, I'll clean the
gourd really well with baking soda and water.  Swirling it
around and rinsing really well until you get a good taste.  I have
never waxed my large water gourd.  My gourd canteen is waxed and I
really don't care for the waxing.

Colleen
(Many Ducks)

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:46:34 -0700
From: Chris Sega <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pipestone

Maybe you can soak it in water, might soften it up a bit, might ruin it, might
do nothin.

Your most onry' and disobediant hivernant
Sega

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:49:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Christian Royal Rangers group for boys?

Scott,

Royal Rangers is a youth program affiliated with the Assembly of God church.
I'm sure if you check with your local Assembly, especially if it's of any
size, they'll supply you with all kinds of infor and welcome you if you've a
mind to volunteer.

Jim Hardee

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:49:22 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Roger's Daybook

Todd,

Another thing I noticed about the tin striker entry in Roger's  daybook is
that it is a "credit" entry.  Note that it is "by" not "to" in the entry.
That means Silas Gobel had $3.00 put back into his account.  Perhaps he turned
in a tin striker for some reason.  But the next entry is "to" Jedediah Smith,
himself, assuming the cost for Gobel of the tin striker.  So, it looks as
though Gobel gave his company striker to his boss.

Second point is that $3.00 seems like a lot for a fire steel.  It's the only
"striker" recorded in the daybook, but perhaps we're wrong in thinking it is
some sort of a fire steel.  Lewis Garrard, in Wah-To-Yah and the Taos Trail,
described the use of a tin, silver or gold tube, about three inches long,
containing a roll of cotton cloth which furnished tinder for a flint and
steel. (Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, Vol. 18, No. 3, p. 2)

Any thoughts on that?

Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
[phone] (W)
[phone] FAX
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:55:55 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Wintering Grounds

To:  Everyone

I want to compile a comprehensive list of sites where trapping parties
wintered and I want your help.  Dig out your books and send me locations,
dates, brigade leaders, etc.  But don't send them unless you can include a
reference book, author and page number.
Don't say "I think so and so spent the winter of 27-28 in Pierre's Hole."  I
want facts and resources.  Any one want to play?

When I get the information compiled, I'll send it back to anyone who wants it.

Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
[phone] (W)
[phone] FAX
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:36:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks

In a message dated 98-10-02 10:37:46 EDT, you write:

<< i am interested in buying a flintlock from jp gunstock inc. i am looking
 for info good or bad about there guns. thanks
  >>

JP builds a pretty good looking rifle, trade gun, or pistol.  They have a
pretty extensive line they reproduce.  They use L&R locks & triggers & good
barrels.  Fit & finish is good.  HOWEVER ----  I realy hate to bad rap the
"local builders" out here, BUT  -- They take shortcuts that detract from
authenticity like screwing the ram rod thimbles to the bottom of the barrel
with allen screws.  IF you would like that changed after you have the rifle
it's too bad -- they will not do it for a reasonable price.  Their customer
service SUCKS!!!!  You CAN order your ram rod pipes pinned & if you have a
good local gunsmith for repairs, then you might look into their products, but
once you have one of their products in your hot little hands it's YOURS & they
seem to want nothing more to do with it.  It's realy too bad they've taken
this attitude in the last few years -- they're realy pretty nice guys to know
IF you catch them away from the business.

If you want a good rifle from a Las Vegas NV builder, check into Lodding &
McClenehan.  Their "production" rifles are Hawkins -- both half & full stock.
These rifles are all hand built on any kind of wood you select.  They machine
cut their own stocks on site for the Hawkins & the English pistol they offer.
Pull lengh can be specified as well as a great number of other options.  PLUS
they'll custom build anything you want.  The normal delivery times on their
"production type" offerings are 6 - 8 weeks, customs depend on shop load.
They're building a custom for me (a copy of Fredric Sell's Pegasus rifle) that
still has 2 other custom orders ahead of it -- I started at 4 down 4 months
ago.  They stand behind their work & are concerned with customer satisfaction.
Steve Lodding also makes some outstanding powder horns.  Their work has been
shown at Mansker Station the last 2 years.  If you're looking for
authenticity, they've done extensive research in the arts of gun building.

We also have 3 other builders in the area who do high quality work, but
they're part time builders & are usualy snowed under.

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:13:11 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: Waxing gourds

>Hi Henry, I have been making gourd canteens a bit lately. I have been
>sealing the inside with paraffin as you describe. My question is, I still
>get a gourdy taste to the water. Is there anyway to eliminate this? It's not
>a big problem but if there is some trick I am missing I'd like to know.

No trick.  The water might taste a bit stale especially if it sat for
several hours, and a very slight hint of gourd taste might remain, but that
should not
overpower the taste of the water itself.  Just like water from a tin cup
can have a slight metallic taste.  I test my waxed gourds by leaving them
filled over night and drinking the water the next day.  I never had a batch
of water that tasted too much like the gourd.

Colleen (Many Ducks) says she uses baking soda to kill the odor.  I might
try that as an intermediate step after cleaning and before waxing.

>Also, I have been varnishing the outside of the gourd. I sew a piece of wet
>rawhide around the neck, leaving a loop and let it dry to facilitate
>carrying.

I coat the outside with a handful of soft, warm wax.  I too make rawhide
handles for carrying.  These can get realy creative.

Cheers,
HBC

*****************************************
Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:56:02 -0700
From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks

I can testify to the excellent production equipment, quality, and designs at
Steve Lodding's shop. I've visited a couple of times and he would be high on
my list for a gun in the style of the better American or London shops. He
and his partner are fascinated by details such as how to shape pans so the
rainwater doesn't wet your priming.
Pat Quilter.

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 10:36 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks


In a message dated 98-10-02 10:37:46 EDT, you write:

<< i am interested in buying a flintlock from jp gunstock inc. i am looking
 for info good or bad about there guns. thanks
  >>

JP builds a pretty good looking rifle, trade gun, or pistol.  They have a
pretty extensive line they reproduce.  They use L&R locks & triggers & good
barrels.  Fit & finish is good.  HOWEVER ----  I realy hate to bad rap the
"local builders" out here, BUT  -- They take shortcuts that detract from
authenticity like screwing the ram rod thimbles to the bottom of the barrel
with allen screws.  IF you would like that changed after you have the rifle
it's too bad -- they will not do it for a reasonable price.  Their customer
service SUCKS!!!!  You CAN order your ram rod pipes pinned & if you have a
good local gunsmith for repairs, then you might look into their products,
but
once you have one of their products in your hot little hands it's YOURS &
they
seem to want nothing more to do with it.  It's realy too bad they've taken
this attitude in the last few years -- they're realy pretty nice guys to
know
IF you catch them away from the business.

If you want a good rifle from a Las Vegas NV builder, check into Lodding &
McClenehan.  Their "production" rifles are Hawkins -- both half & full
stock.
These rifles are all hand built on any kind of wood you select.  They
machine
cut their own stocks on site for the Hawkins & the English pistol they
offer.
Pull lengh can be specified as well as a great number of other options.
PLUS
they'll custom build anything you want.  The normal delivery times on their
"production type" offerings are 6 - 8 weeks, customs depend on shop load.
They're building a custom for me (a copy of Fredric Sell's Pegasus rifle)
that
still has 2 other custom orders ahead of it -- I started at 4 down 4 months
ago.  They stand behind their work & are concerned with customer
satisfaction.
Steve Lodding also makes some outstanding powder horns.  Their work has been
shown at Mansker Station the last 2 years.  If you're looking for
authenticity, they've done extensive research in the arts of gun building.

We also have 3 other builders in the area who do high quality work, but
they're part time builders & are usualy snowed under.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:40:12 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Wintering Grounds

Jim,

A grad student at BYU studing under Dr. Gowans did his thesis on Mountaineer
wintering sites I believe. He recently moved to Nebraska I think, but promised
me a copy when it was printed. I'll track him down and get back to you.

Todd D. Glover

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:53:42 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Steve Lodding

For those interested... in addition to some fine guns, Steve Lodding shop also
makes / sells some of the most beautiful Powder Horns, Rum Horns, Salt 'n
Pepper Horns, and 'unbreakable' ramrods, and is one hellova scrimshand for
your prized stuff, too.   RR   (He Who Shoots Himself)

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:26:17 -0700
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Waxing gourds

Just a thought...
I'd bet a couple mint leaves in the water would cover up any taste of gourd,
assuming you like mint!

Medicine Bear

Henry B. Crawford wrote:

> >Hi Henry, I have been making gourd canteens a bit lately. I have been
> >sealing the inside with paraffin as you describe. My question is, I still
> >get a gourdy taste to the water. Is there anyway to eliminate this? It's not
> >a big problem but if there is some trick I am missing I'd like to know.
>
> No trick.  The water might taste a bit stale especially if it sat for
> several hours, and a very slight hint of gourd taste might remain, but that
> should not
> overpower the taste of the water itself.  Just like water from a tin cup
> can have a slight metallic taste.  I test my waxed gourds by leaving them
> filled over night and drinking the water the next day.  I never had a batch
> of water that tasted too much like the gourd.
>
> Colleen (Many Ducks) says she uses baking soda to kill the odor.  I might
> try that as an intermediate step after cleaning and before waxing.
>
> >Also, I have been varnishing the outside of the gourd. I sew a piece of wet
> >rawhide around the neck, leaving a loop and let it dry to facilitate
> >carrying.
>
> I coat the outside with a handful of soft, warm wax.  I too make rawhide
> handles for carrying.  These can get realy creative.
>
> Cheers,
> HBC
>
> *****************************************
> Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
> [e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
> 806/742-2442           Box 43191
> FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
>                WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
> ******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:22:30 -0700
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks

NM,

Happen to have their address and phone number?

MB

[e-mail] wrote:

> If you want a good rifle from a Las Vegas NV builder, check into Lodding &
> McClenehan.

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:14:58 -0700
From: PDS Golf Course <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pipestone

It sounds to me like you don't have "real" Catlinite, i.e. pipe stone.  I
made up several pipes and had no trouble, cutting it that is.  In fact it
was out of the ground and on the shelf of a rock shop in Phoenix for
about ten years before I got it.
The real trick was those little pebbles in it!  Man, you hit one of those
with your knife and the whole thing would split!
Adds new meaning to the word patience.
Jon Bollin  AMM #1639

[e-mail] wrote:

> I was recently given a piece of pipestone for a pipe bowl.  I've read
> that the material was often shaped by scraping with knife blades.  I
> can't make a dent in this stuff with a horseshoe rasp much less a
> knife.  What's the trick?
> Bill "Chases Hawks" Vannoy
> [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:37:09 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks

J.P. Gunstocks = 4508 San Miguel Avenue, North Las Vegas, NV 89030, phone
[phone] fax [phone] internet: www.jpgunstocks.com
 <A HREF="http://www.jpgunstocks.com/">JP Gunstocks, Inc., Muzzleloading
Rifles - Pistols - Smooth Bores</A>
                                  yhs, He Who Shoots Himself

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:07:29 -0700
From: Chris Sega <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks

Nauga mok,

Does the McClenahan in the Lodding & McClenahan sometimes go by the handle 2
Hawks?  On another note to everyone on the list. I know a ner' do well here in
northern NV who builds fantastic guns.  Contact me off the list and I'll let
anyone know how to contact him and get his brochure.

Your most disobediant and onry' hivernant
Sega

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:35:44 +0000
From: [e-mail] (RANDAL J BUBLITZ)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks

steve Lodding- gun maker, scrimshander
6510 W El Campo Grande
Las Vegas, Nv   89130
(702) 656- 6085
I too have been in their shop, they do fabulous work, and I own several
Of Steve's scrimshaw pieces.    Hardtack

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:43:10 +0000
From: [e-mail] (RANDAL J BUBLITZ)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Waxing gourds

I have made many gourd canteens. I prefer a parafin & bee's wax mixture.
It seems straight parifin is too hard, and cracks easily.  Pure bee's wax
is to soft, and melts too easily.  I find the bee's wax gives my water a
hint of sweet taste.  I reline the gourds periodically by places in a
warm oven until wax is melted, then pour out old wax.  Then pour in some
fresh wax.  Don't leave a 'less than full' waxed canteen in the sun.  The
wax may melt and blister.  It's easy to fix, but keep 'em in the shade
anyway.  I stitch some trade wool, or old blanket on the gourd, then do a
2-3'" rawhide strip around the edge of the gourd (these are the round
gourds).  I use cheap rawhide dog chew bones for raw material, just soak
overnight to get workable rawhide in proper sizes.   Hardtack




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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:05:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks

In a message dated 98-10-08 19:14:03 EDT, you write:

<< Happen to have their address and phone number?
  >>

Lodding & McClenahan
6510 W. El Campo Grande
Las Vegas, NV 89130

Phone -- Speed call #5 ----- OOPS!!  Try: [phone]

Check out their full page add in July/ Aug, '98 Muzzleloader -- page 2.  By
the way, that add is some of my wife's handiwork.

Keith & Steve make a great team.  Keith is the research & development
specialist, & Steve is the artist.  If you should happen to find your way to
their shop, ask to see the new set trigger Keith developed for pistol -- it's
REALY something!  I think they're putting it in their  "production" pistol.
If you want to see some of Steve's outstanding scrim work, you aughta see the
Otter he scrimed on a "ivory" inlay in the pistol they built for my wife.

The "unbreakable ramrod" they offer is a wood rod with a stick of 10 - 32 all-
thread through the center.  Only adds a smidge extra weight, but makes a
nearly indestructable period appearing rod that won't hurt your bores.  I've
got 2 of 'em!  The tip is cross pinned through both the wood & all-thread so
you don't have to worry about it coming off if you go after a stuck ball & a
screw on "T" handle comes with the rod.  They've recently added a pewter
button to cover the as an end attachnent to keep the all-thread from poking
your hand when not using the "T" handle.

Pat -- Did you get to see that Manton lock Steve built that you could dump a
cup of water on & it'd still flash the prime?  That got a LOT of attention at
Mansker Station this year!  He & Keith have studied the Manton locks
extensively (as well as the Manton breech designs), & that lock is the result.
Steve just started engraving metal about a year ago, & it looks like he's been
at it for YEARS -- those who've seen it know I'm not exagerating.

Just to keep things on the up & up, I don't work for them, & probably will
reap no benefits for singing their praises --- & they'll probably beat me
soundly tomorrow night in the periodic card game we get into!  Steve & Keith
are EXCELENT gunsmiths.  Steve is outstanding for horn building & scrimshaw.
AND they're a couple of nice guys.  By the way -- Steve is also a AMM member.

 For those looking for high quality quill work, get in touch with them & they
can turn you on to our local "Quill Freak" -- another local craftsman that's a
cut above.

Nauga Mok

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:06:02 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks

In a message dated 98-10-09 00:01:37 EDT, you write:

<< Does the McClenahan in the Lodding & McClenahan sometimes go by the handle
2 Hawks?

No -- Keith is "Wolf Breath" --- Steve Lodding is "Dog Thief".  Keith's kids
are "Mean", "Wart", "Toad", & "Tick".  Keith has a couple of brothers who are
also heavy into muzzleloading -- 2 Hawks might be one of them -- I've never
heard their Mt names even though I've met them several times.  Wife sez it
ain't them either.  One of them has a rather intresting Hawkin he built.  It's
a .98 cal -- muzzle looks like the Holland Tunnel!  He sez he figures the
optimum powder charge should be 400 gr of 1F, but he has a tendency to set
down rather hard if he puts over 300 gr in it.

 < I know a ner' do well here in northern NV who builds fantastic guns.
Contact me off the list and I'll let anyone know how to contact him and get
his brochure. >>

Wouldn't be talking about Bob "Iron Jaw" Rathbun who does the building at
North Star West would you?  For trade guns, he's excelent!  Got one of his
guns too.  Took a 2nd place with it the first time I competed with it --
infact, I tied with Wolf Breath & got lucky in the shoot off.  It ain't every
day some one beats the ole Wolf!  The 1st place winner was the guy who puts
out the "Fire-in-Five" fire start kit -- another local -- & a pretty fair
smooth bore shooter.  Maybe you saw the feature on Iron Jaw in Muzzleloader?
>From what I've seen, there are only 3 suppliers of quality tradeguns -- Iron
Jaw, Danny Caywood, & Center Mark -- I picked Iron Jaw 'cuz I've met him
numerous times at rondys -- & he's even attended our club's doin's -- AND he's
from NV.  He's very knowledgable in the tradegun field.  The newest addition
to the North Star West line is the "Officer's Model Musket" & it's a fine
piece of work!  I think Bob is doing a exceptional job of carrying on the work
Ole Curley Gostomski started.  If you get a trade gun from Keith & Steve, they
got most of the parts from Iron Jaw!

NM

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 05:38:32 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pipestone

On 1998-10-07 [e-mail] said to [e-mail]
   >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32)
   >Washtahay-
   >At 03:16 AM 10/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
   >>   >I was recently given a piece of pipestone for a pipe bowl.
   >>I've    >read that the material was often shaped by scraping with
   >>knife    >blades.  I can't make a dent in this stuff with a
   >>horseshoe rasp    >much less a knife.  What's the trick?
   >>   >Bill "Chases Hawks" Vannoy
   >>   >[e-mail]
   >>the pipestone I've carved was 3-4 days out of the ground and
   >>carved like soapstone when I started it like granite a year later
   >>when I finished it. I think you got some that has been out of the
   >>groung to long,the only things I've found that work it then are
   >silicon carbide and diamond tools. When all else fails, soak it in
   >water for a while-maybe as much as a year. It works, and its
   >traditional (or at least is what I was taught when I did an
   >apprenticeship of sorts in pipemaking).  I'd suggest keeping it
   >from freezing, for fear of expansion cracks-but I don't know if
   >this is necessary. LongWalker c. du B
Wish I knew that a year ago!
Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well

"They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:23:32 -0700
From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks

Steve in particular is a nut about Manton designs. He was showing me his
replications of Manton pan designs, exactly as you say. Your description is
excellent. I'm sure there are plenty of other good gunsmiths, but I agree
Steve and Keith have a passion for their work.
Pat Q

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 9:06 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks


In a message dated 98-10-08 19:14:03 EDT, you write:

<< Happen to have their address and phone number?
  >>

Lodding & McClenahan
6510 W. El Campo Grande
Las Vegas, NV 89130

Phone -- Speed call #5 ----- OOPS!!  Try: [phone]

Check out their full page add in July/ Aug, '98 Muzzleloader -- page 2.  By
the way, that add is some of my wife's handiwork.

Keith & Steve make a great team.  Keith is the research & development
specialist, & Steve is the artist.  If you should happen to find your way to
their shop, ask to see the new set trigger Keith developed for pistol --
it's
REALY something!  I think they're putting it in their  "production" pistol.
If you want to see some of Steve's outstanding scrim work, you aughta see
the
Otter he scrimed on a "ivory" inlay in the pistol they built for my wife.

The "unbreakable ramrod" they offer is a wood rod with a stick of 10 - 32
all-
thread through the center.  Only adds a smidge extra weight, but makes a
nearly indestructable period appearing rod that won't hurt your bores.  I've
got 2 of 'em!  The tip is cross pinned through both the wood & all-thread so
you don't have to worry about it coming off if you go after a stuck ball & a
screw on "T" handle comes with the rod.  They've recently added a pewter
button to cover the as an end attachnent to keep the all-thread from poking
your hand when not using the "T" handle.

Pat -- Did you get to see that Manton lock Steve built that you could dump a
cup of water on & it'd still flash the prime?  That got a LOT of attention
at
Mansker Station this year!  He & Keith have studied the Manton locks
extensively (as well as the Manton breech designs), & that lock is the
result.
Steve just started engraving metal about a year ago, & it looks like he's
been
at it for YEARS -- those who've seen it know I'm not exagerating.

Just to keep things on the up & up, I don't work for them, & probably will
reap no benefits for singing their praises --- & they'll probably beat me
soundly tomorrow night in the periodic card game we get into!  Steve & Keith
are EXCELENT gunsmiths.  Steve is outstanding for horn building & scrimshaw.
AND they're a couple of nice guys.  By the way -- Steve is also a AMM
member.

 For those looking for high quality quill work, get in touch with them &
they
can turn you on to our local "Quill Freak" -- another local craftsman that's
a
cut above.

Nauga Mok

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:07:51 -0500
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pipestone

if you have to do that you dont have pipestone---what you have is jasper
or petrified wood---both make fine flints for rifles---
=+=
hawk
michael pierce
854 glenfield dr.
palm harbor florida 34684     e-mail:   [e-mail]

On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 03:33:30 -0500 [e-mail] writes:
>I was recently given a piece of pipestone for a pipe bowl.  I've read
>that the material was often shaped by scraping with knife blades.  I
>can't make a dent in this stuff with a horseshoe rasp much less a
>knife.  What's the trick?
>Bill "Chases Hawks" Vannoy
>[e-mail]
>
>

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:03:45 -0500
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parts needed

addison---
dont forget what i said about the allen screws for the liner---take a
propane torch and heat the set end red---this will kill the case
hardebing and then you can drill it with a .050 dia drill---it is easy to
remove and install with the allen and provides a good champher for the
flash---

=+=
hawk
michael pierce
854 glenfield dr.
palm harbor florida 34684     e-mail:   [e-mail]

On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:28:10 -0400 [e-mail] (Addison O. Miller)
writes:
>Thanks for all the advise guys!  I finally got ahold of Thunder Ridge
>and
>got the lock for the Traditions and installed it.  Fits great!!  Now I
>justneedthe touch hole liner... Thanks again
>
>Addison Miller
>
>

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:26:23 -0700
From: [e-mail] (John C Funk)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Information needed

Hello the camp !~~!

I too am seeking information on an old fur trapper/trader.  He is
certainly familiar to some but I need more specific and finite
information (with source reference, please.)  He is Louis Roubidoux (also
spelled : Robidooux, Rubidoux, etc.)  Following the decline of the fur
trade he, like many a mountain man, settled in California, more
specifically Southern California.  He chose an area now known as Jurupa,
near Riverside, and was a very wealthy rancher.   He was elected three
time to the San Bernardino County Board of Supervisors.

If anyone can elaborate further on the above biography I would appreciate
it.
Also, did he ever marry, who and when?  What was his wife's name and were
there any children.  Any and all information would be greatly
appreciated.  Again, please reference sources.  Many thanks.

John Funk
[e-mail]

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