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hist_text-digest Monday, October 5 1998 Volume 01 : Number 151
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:23:53 -0500
From: "Ken" <rebelfreehold@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1830 Shooting Bag Photos
Howdy John,
Really enjoyed the pictures of Hawks rifle and bag. When I tried the other
site though it said URL not found. Is the address correct?
Thanks,
YellowFeather
> I have posted Hawk Pierce's photos of his original shooting bag and a few
> other
> items of interest at:
>
<<http://www.kramers.org/hawknest/1830bags.htm>http://www.kramers.org/hawkn
> est/1830bags.htm>
>
> John...
>
>
> Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
> john kramer@kramerize.com
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:27:47 -0500
From: "Ken" <rebelfreehold@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: OOPS
Sorry John,
just figured out it's the same site?
YellowFeather
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:01:26 +0000
From: randybublitz@juno.com (RANDAL J BUBLITZ)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fur on tanning.
Terry, I have a good book on tanning. It is called 'Wet -Scrape
Braintanned Buckskin'. It is focused on deer skin, but hides is hides?
There is section on hair on tanning. This is a fairly new book. The
authors are Edholm and Wilder. The publisher is Paleotechnics PO Box
876 Boonville, Ca 95415 ISBN# 0-9654965-4-6 . I like this book,
and perhaps it will have the answers for you. It is well written and
readable. Good luck & congratulations on your bear hide. Hardtack
#1424
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 07:52:27 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fur on tanning.
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Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 11:20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: fur on tanning.
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:25:17 -0600
From: Dean Rudy <drudy@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Osborne Russell
At 05:07 PM 10/1/98 +0000, you wrote:
>I am writing a novel, historical fiction, entitled Across the Seasons.
>Osborne Russell and the Rendezvous of 1838 are central to the action.
>
>1. Any passionate opinions on Russell, i.e. his character, why he never
>married or mentions women in his Journal, in what ways he differs from
>other mountain men?
>
I would guess that the reason Russell says little about women in his
journal
has something to do with the fact that during the period his journal
covers, he probably encountered Indian women exclusively. In those days,
many a white man would have been reluctant to admit in polite company that
he had consorted with Indian women. When one compares the dates of his
purchases of foofera with the timing of Indian visits at Fort Hall, it
suggests that he was purchasing what vermillion and beads would buy. His
purchases can give more insight into his character - see
http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/RuslPaper.html
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Park City, Utah WWW: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/amm.html
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:35:51 -0600
From: "Barry Conner" <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks
As Fred has stated look around.
I personally shoot and have carried Jim Chambers, and Caywood guns in
rifled and smooth bore for several years. For the money your talking about
look at a lot of builders and for a few dollars more the builders above are
excellent in quality.
You may want to consider a weapon in the "white", you do the finish, I know
that the two I have mentioned have guns in the "white", all that was needed
was raise the grain once, light sand and stain the wood, fine steel wool
the metal and finish to your liking.
Buck Conner
- ----------
> From: Fred A. Miller <fmiller@lightlink.com>
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks
> Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 8:54 PM
>
> Justin Hall wrote:
> >
> > i am interested in buying a flintlock from jp gunstock inc. i am
looking
> > for info good or bad about there guns. thanks
>
> They're "OK," but you should look at Deer Creek, Jim Chambers, and
> Jackie Brown's work first.
>
> Fred
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 08:19:07 -0600
From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fur on tanning.
We offer a home tanning kit based on over 20 years of experience, or or
tannery can tan your bear for $29 a ft for a bear 4 to 5 ft. There are
several taxidermy catalogs available to get rugging materials and books on
how to mount the head and rug the body. Let us know if we can help you.
Joe
Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
Write for custom tanning prices
We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and
hair on robes
Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets
check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:32:44 -0400
From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: info on jp gunstocks
what is your price range and i can give you a direction to go--there is
many stockers out there and also people who put kits together--a lot
depends on your skills and what you really want to procure--danny kaywood
puts together a kit---extremely good quality but he only makes trade
guns, english or french type guns---pecatonica furnishes kits but most
require a bit of work and some skill to get to the finished product---don
steith furnishes kits good quality but price not to my likeing---but you
can depend on the quality---need to know what style and what you want
from kit---pre assembled kit ---basic parts or what---post that and i
will give you the best info that i have available---have been building
and restoring for over 25 years so have seen a lot of junk and a lot of
quality---remember the barrel and the lock is the heart of any weapon can
put them on a pine board and have a exceptional shooter ---it depends on
what someone wants and what he can affored---a basic set of parts ---you
can call it a kit if you wish---will run you From 350 to 800 depending on
the barrel and the wood---remember good wood will add and always keep the
value of the gun up---but a good barrel will make the shooter and the
quality of the lock will make the speed of ignition and the quality of
dependibility----
DROP ME A NOTE OFF LINE AND I WILL POINT YOU TO A FEW DIFFERENT MAKERS
THAT I KNOW PRODUCE QUALITY AND ARE DEPENDABLE----\
"Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida 34684
1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com
On Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:54:59 -0400 "Fred A. Miller"
<fmiller@lightlink.com> writes:
>Justin Hall wrote:
>>
>> i am interested in buying a flintlock from jp gunstock inc. i am
>looking
>> for info good or bad about there guns. thanks
>
>They're "OK," but you should look at Deer Creek, Jim Chambers, and
>Jackie Brown's work first.
>
>Fred
>
>
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 19:00:13 +0000
From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Osborne Russell
Thank you.
I found your site(s) early in my research. The most exciting was to
find the title page of Journal of a Trapper. As it scrolled up on my
screen, I felt the hair stand up on my head!
Compared to other journals, Russell doesn't go into any detail about
attending Rendezvous. He merely tells when he showed up and when he
departed. I have attended two Rendezvous reenactments on the Wind River
and Popo Agie in Riverton. Hope to have my book finished in the next
four months.
Russell haunts me. I keep looking for him across the campfire.
Regards, Laura Jean
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:42:55 -0400
From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1830 Shooting Bag Photos
thanks for your posting of the prints--i sent you a couple more---one
was the brass catch that was under discussion it should be large enough
to see the detail---thanks again for posting the pictures----
"Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida 34684
1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com
On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:20:04 -0500 John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
writes:
>
>I have posted Hawk Pierce's photos of his original shooting bag and a
>few
>other
>items of interest at:
><<http://www.kramers.org/hawknest/1830bags.htm>http://www.kramers.org/hawkn
>est/1830bags.htm>
>
>John...
>
>
>Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
>john kramer@kramerize.com
>
>
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:04:25 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OOPS
Ken and all,
Sorry for the confusion; but there's a strange little "feature" in my email
program (or compliments of my providers) that keeps doubling things up and
splitting things apart and throwing in weird characters. I have not been=
able
to find the problem. If it wasn't so handy for its filtering functions I'd
throw Eudora out. They keep promising an upgrade to their latest and=
greatest
flawed program. I'm really getting tired of paying software companies to be=
a
beta tester.
There are several versions of MS mail, exchange and outlook that if I send=
any
formatted text to (underline, bold, etc.) they will only receive a blank
message. I can receive formatted from just not send. I thought the idea=
was
to make these things work together.
John...
At 10:27 PM 10/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Sorry John,
>just figured out it's the same site?
>YellowFeather
>=20
John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0
Kramer's Best Antique Improver
>>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<<
<http://www.kramerize.com/>
mail to: <kramer@kramerize.com>=20
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 19:08:36 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Studs
I have posted two more photos of Hawk's bags and closures at:
<http://www.kramers.org/hawknest/1830bags.htm>http://www.kramers.org/hawkne
st/1830bags.htm
<<http://www.kramers.org/hawknest/1830bags.htm>http://www.kramers.org/hawkn
est/1830bags.htm>
(I tried listing two different ways to see how it translates, still the same
one address)
Now I have a few questions as to the bag closure (stud): I would like to know
more about the details of construction.
Is the larger diameter section made in two parts? Is there a remnant of a
washer between those parts, or is it a washer as the back part? How are the
two parts joined, by peening? What is the metal? What is the scale/size? Is
this the same stud laying on the flap of the bag in the first photo posted?
Is
it cast, turned or hand wrought? This is from one of your documented pre-1830
bags?
John...
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
john kramer@kramerize.com
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 21:46:38 EDT
From: TetonTod@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Harrison Rogers Daybook
Howdy All...
In doing some research on Jedediah Smith, I was reading through Harrison
Rogers daybook. Some of the entries in his ledger are a little puzzling, I
hope some of you can expound. For example, on the right column of each entry
are the letters "Dr." What does that mean? Some sort of debit mark?
A typical entry looks like this:
_____________________________
James Reed Dr
To 1 lb tobacco 150 cts $1.50
_____________________________
what does the 150 cts mean?
Also I find intriguing the entry for "tin strikers?" And there is an entry for
sheep skin leggings and two other entries for sheepskins. I wonder if these
are shepp as we know them, or the wild Bighorn sheep. Any thoughts?
Todd D. Glover
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:50:24 -0400
From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great 1830 Hunting Pouch Search & Contest
barry tell me what you need photos of and i will try to help---I have a
lot of original stuff and dont mind posting photoes of it---have a
multitude of rifles horns, bags and about any kind of mountain man stuff
that would be required---just have to get the pictures that you need---a
friend had a digital camera and took the ones that we posted on kramers
board---I truly wish i had taken pictures of all the guns that i have
restored or repaired---the good ones i have tried to buy some i could
afford and some i couldnt---being not a wealthy person makes it tough
some times---especially when you find a treasure and cant afford to get
it---I hit that delema all the time---best to you and yours---
YMHOSANT
=+=
"Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida 34684
1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com
On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:02:53 -0600 "Barry Conner"
<buck.conner@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>Hawk,
>
>May be able to use your photos for website mentioned earlier for
>period
>travel and equipage used.
>
>Buck
>
>----------
>> From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com>
>> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great 1830 Hunting Pouch Search &
>Contest
>> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 7:22 PM
>>
>> there was a lot of palaber a while back about a ketch on a bag----i
>have
>> been digging and found one that can be posted if someone would like
>to
>> put it on their web site--I have it on a jpg and can send it to
>anyone
>> interested along with some photoes of a couple of original shooting
>bags.
>> the bags came from m.a. rupp and he was around 90 years old when he
>gave
>> them to me--they were his fathers and had been left in a trunk for
>many
>> years---he gave the bags to me back in 1960---manard was born in
>1850 in
>> origon territory---his father migrated there from st louis and is on
>the
>> tax rolls in 1825 and then no longer existed on the tax
>listings---manard
>> was 12 years old when his father died and left him with his
>mother---he
>> migrated to arkansas and became a resident of eureks springs ark in
>1954.
>> he died in 1958 at the age of 98. I also have his muzzle loading
>rifle
>> that belonged to his father he said---he gave that to me a couple of
>> years after he gave me the shooting bags----one of the bags is made
>of
>> canvis and has his fathers name and a date of 1830 in the inside of
>it .
>> the leather bag doesnt have any markings and is very crude
>made---the
>> canvis bag has leather whelting and is also not in very good shape.
>> there are no straps for either bag---I will send the pictures to
>anyone
>> interested or who wants to post them on their web site.
>>
>> I also promised to send some one a set of drawings for a double
>> beavertale bag and have the copies along with a jpg photo of the
>one in
>> question and if they would drop me a note offline with their address
>I
>> will send out ASAP. I have prints on hand---
>>
>> I hope this will start to motivate others in the great 1830 american
>
>> hunting bag search---
>> i know i cannot enter as i am suposto be a judge---some good prizes
>for
>> doing a little research.
>>
>> "Hawk"
>> Michael Pierce
>> 854 Glenfield Dr.
>> Palm Harbor, florida 34684
>> 1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com
>>
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:49:36 -0500 Jim Colburn <jc60714@navix.net>
>> writes:
>> >Washtahay-
>> > OK folks. We've had a lot of palaver over one small
>feature
>> >of one bag
>> >the last few days. So lets get down to brass tacks on this. I
>want
>> >to
>> >locate an original hunting pouch that we can document as having
>been
>> >in use
>> >on the frontier in the years 1825 to 1835, with the target date of
>> >1830.
>> >Here are the criteria the bag must meet:
>> > "Frontier" is defined as Rocky Mountains, Santa Fe trade,
>> >Texas, or the
>> >Missouri River trade. We should probably include bags in use in
>the
>> >St
>> >Louis area and west within Missouri. While I would love to hear
>about
>> >the
>> >bags in use in the North during this time, that isn't the target
>area.
>> >
>> > "Document" is defined as being able to objectively date as
>> >having been in
>> >use in the area defined as "Frontier". By objectively, I mean by
>> >contemporary records or a chain of evidence. The assignment of
>dates,
>> >for
>> >example Madison Grant's "ca 1820-1840" does NOT count, unless
>> >supported by
>> >other available information (an example being the bag he shows on
>pp
>> >74-75
>> >of KRHP). If you can come up with a bag that went with the supply
>> >trains
>> >to Rendezvous, great! But the bag used by some famous mountain man
>in
>> >the
>> >late 1850s isn't what we are looking for.
>> > The bag must be published or accessible to the public. The
>
>> >folks on the
>> >list must have some way of accessing the bag, to examine and
>evaluate
>> >it
>> >for their own purposes. Be prepared to furnish supporting
>> >documentation.
>> >
>> > Prize? Immortal fame isn't enough? How about a rum horn
>and
>> >horn cup?
>> >Copied after the canteen shown on p 142 and the bottom cup on p
>144
>> >of
>> >"The Powder Horn and its Architecture".
>> > Let's run this for a week or so and see what comes out of
>the
>> >woodwork.
>> >Judge's decisions are final. Hawk, John Kramer-are you guys
>willing
>> >to
>> >help me judge this?
>> >
>> >Let the hunt begin!
>> >LongWalker c. du B.
>> >
>> >
>>
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:08:51 -0600
From: "Barry Conner" <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great 1830 Hunting Pouch Search & Contest
Hawk,
Let me get together what I have and figure out what I'm lacking and will
get back to you and John.
Mr. Kramer and I have had some good discussions over the last year about
the Museum of the Fur Trade and related problems. We have never met in
person, but considered him a first class act, tell it the way it is, and a
friend.
You to Mr. Pierce seem to run along these lines, and we (member of this
chat line) want to thank you and John for your efforts in providing great
photo's and inportant views on the varied subjects.
In time maybe some of the others with special knowledge will step forward
and share some information. Too bad John and myself could not of gotten
Charley Hanson involved before leaving for the other side, that would have
been very interesting with his knowledge of the fur trade.
I'll be in touch in a week or so.
Have the tech support duty for company, and just got called.
Later
Buck
- ----------
> From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com>
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great 1830 Hunting Pouch Search & Contest
> Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 5:50 PM
>
> barry tell me what you need photos of and i will try to help---I have a
> lot of original stuff and dont mind posting photoes of it---have a
> multitude of rifles horns, bags and about any kind of mountain man stuff
> that would be required---just have to get the pictures that you need---a
> friend had a digital camera and took the ones that we posted on kramers
> board---I truly wish i had taken pictures of all the guns that i have
> restored or repaired---the good ones i have tried to buy some i could
> afford and some i couldnt---being not a wealthy person makes it tough
> some times---especially when you find a treasure and cant afford to get
> it---I hit that delema all the time---best to you and yours---
>
> YMHOSANT
> =+=
> "Hawk"
> Michael Pierce
> 854 Glenfield Dr.
> Palm Harbor, florida 34684
> 1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com
>
> On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:02:53 -0600 "Barry Conner"
> <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> >Hawk,
> >
> >May be able to use your photos for website mentioned earlier for
> >period
> >travel and equipage used.
> >
> >Buck
> >
> >----------
> >> From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com>
> >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great 1830 Hunting Pouch Search &
> >Contest
> >> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 7:22 PM
> >>
> >> there was a lot of palaber a while back about a ketch on a bag----i
> >have
> >> been digging and found one that can be posted if someone would like
> >to
> >> put it on their web site--I have it on a jpg and can send it to
> >anyone
> >> interested along with some photoes of a couple of original shooting
> >bags.
> >> the bags came from m.a. rupp and he was around 90 years old when he
> >gave
> >> them to me--they were his fathers and had been left in a trunk for
> >many
> >> years---he gave the bags to me back in 1960---manard was born in
> >1850 in
> >> origon territory---his father migrated there from st louis and is on
> >the
> >> tax rolls in 1825 and then no longer existed on the tax
> >listings---manard
> >> was 12 years old when his father died and left him with his
> >mother---he
> >> migrated to arkansas and became a resident of eureks springs ark in
> >1954.
> >> he died in 1958 at the age of 98. I also have his muzzle loading
> >rifle
> >> that belonged to his father he said---he gave that to me a couple of
> >> years after he gave me the shooting bags----one of the bags is made
> >of
> >> canvis and has his fathers name and a date of 1830 in the inside of
> >it .
> >> the leather bag doesnt have any markings and is very crude
> >made---the
> >> canvis bag has leather whelting and is also not in very good shape.
> >> there are no straps for either bag---I will send the pictures to
> >anyone
> >> interested or who wants to post them on their web site.
> >>
> >> I also promised to send some one a set of drawings for a double
> >> beavertale bag and have the copies along with a jpg photo of the
> >one in
> >> question and if they would drop me a note offline with their address
> >I
> >> will send out ASAP. I have prints on hand---
> >>
> >> I hope this will start to motivate others in the great 1830 american
> >
> >> hunting bag search---
> >> i know i cannot enter as i am suposto be a judge---some good prizes
> >for
> >> doing a little research.
> >>
> >> "Hawk"
> >> Michael Pierce
> >> 854 Glenfield Dr.
> >> Palm Harbor, florida 34684
> >> 1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com
> >>
> >> On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:49:36 -0500 Jim Colburn <jc60714@navix.net>
> >> writes:
> >> >Washtahay-
> >> > OK folks. We've had a lot of palaver over one small
> >feature
> >> >of one bag
> >> >the last few days. So lets get down to brass tacks on this. I
> >want
> >> >to
> >> >locate an original hunting pouch that we can document as having
> >been
> >> >in use
> >> >on the frontier in the years 1825 to 1835, with the target date of
> >> >1830.
> >> >Here are the criteria the bag must meet:
> >> > "Frontier" is defined as Rocky Mountains, Santa Fe trade,
> >> >Texas, or the
> >> >Missouri River trade. We should probably include bags in use in
> >the
> >> >St
> >> >Louis area and west within Missouri. While I would love to hear
> >about
> >> >the
> >> >bags in use in the North during this time, that isn't the target
> >area.
> >> >
> >> > "Document" is defined as being able to objectively date as
> >> >having been in
> >> >use in the area defined as "Frontier". By objectively, I mean by
> >> >contemporary records or a chain of evidence. The assignment of
> >dates,
> >> >for
> >> >example Madison Grant's "ca 1820-1840" does NOT count, unless
> >> >supported by
> >> >other available information (an example being the bag he shows on
> >pp
> >> >74-75
> >> >of KRHP). If you can come up with a bag that went with the supply
> >> >trains
> >> >to Rendezvous, great! But the bag used by some famous mountain man
> >in
> >> >the
> >> >late 1850s isn't what we are looking for.
> >> > The bag must be published or accessible to the public. The
> >
> >> >folks on the
> >> >list must have some way of accessing the bag, to examine and
> >evaluate
> >> >it
> >> >for their own purposes. Be prepared to furnish supporting
> >> >documentation.
> >> >
> >> > Prize? Immortal fame isn't enough? How about a rum horn
> >and
> >> >horn cup?
> >> >Copied after the canteen shown on p 142 and the bottom cup on p
> >144
> >> >of
> >> >"The Powder Horn and its Architecture".
> >> > Let's run this for a week or so and see what comes out of
> >the
> >> >woodwork.
> >> >Judge's decisions are final. Hawk, John Kramer-are you guys
> >willing
> >> >to
> >> >help me judge this?
> >> >
> >> >Let the hunt begin!
> >> >LongWalker c. du B.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 21:12:19 -0600
From: Wayne Mumford <ffw@in-tch.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1830 Shooting Bag Photos
I thought some of you might be interested in this gun. It's an original
M.1815 Harpers Ferry I recently got some pictures of. After handling it
while taking the photographs I really fell in love with it. I shot a
replica a couple years ago but it didn't "feel" like this one. Would
like to own a really good replica some day.
http://gallery.in-tch.com/~ffw/test/images/hferry.jpg
- --
Frontier Filmworks
Still Photography by Wayne Mumford
Locations-Prints-Stock Images
The Lewis & Clark Trail
http://gallery.in-tch.com/~ffw/
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:03:58 -0700
From: "Thomas W. Roberts" <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Rondezvous
Just stumbled across some spare time off. Anyone know of a rondezvous
in the southeastern US between 10/8 and 10/16?
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 15:12:38 -0600
From: Dean Rudy <drudy@xmission.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Web Site Addition
The latest addition to the "Mountain Men and the Fur Trade" web site is the
text of John C. Luttig's "Journal of a fur-trading expedition on the Upper
Missouri, 1812-1813". It may be found at:
http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/Luttig/index.html
John Luttig ascended the Missouri River in 1812 as the clerk of a party of
the Missouri Fur Company, led by Manuel Lisa.
This electronic transcription and annotation of the journal was contributed
by James Kyle, Missouri Coalition of Historical Trekkers.
enjoy!
- -Dean
PS. first snow today here in the Shining Mountains. 2-3 inches on the
ground, and more falling fast.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Dean Rudy AMM#1530 Email: drudy@xmission.com
Park City, Utah WWW: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/amm.html
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:03:17 -0700
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rondezvous
Don't know anything about the southeast, but there is a good rdv in
northcentral Texas (30 miles south of Ft Worth) next weekend. Contact me if
interested..
Lanney Ratcliff
rat@htcomp.net
- -----Original Message-----
From: Thomas W. Roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Sunday, October 04, 1998 6:10 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Rondezvous
>Just stumbled across some spare time off. Anyone know of a rondezvous
>in the southeastern US between 10/8 and 10/16?
>
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:02:49 EDT
From: RR1LA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rondezvous
could you be a little more specific about the areas? feel free to contact me
direct at rr1la@aol.com, but in the meantime, from Smoke & Fire News.....
10/10-10/11 A Day to Remember, North Augusta, SC
10/17-10/18 Daniel Smith Days, Henderson, TN
10/16-10/18 Beaver Swamp 9th Annual RDV, Lexington, GA
10/16-10/18 Shinin' Times RDV, Dahlonega, GA
also events in Alabama, Virginia, WVirginia yhs, GunShot
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