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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:47:04 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll

oilcloth is available from Panther Primitives, PO 32, Normantown, WV 25267
phone [phone].   works great for bedrolls, diamond flys (trail tarp),
firewood cover, packbasket covers, haversacks, backpack, rain poncho and the
list goes on..........    GunShot

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: zaslow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hang in there with your good man!

Eli,

Hang in there with your husband.  You never know what might catch his
interest about this pastime of ours.  I've been married to the love of my
life for almost 20 years and she has never really shown a great interest in
camping or Rendezvous.  I made her buckskin dresses, tried to supply the
best and most comfortable lodge and even got 2 of our 3 daughters to go to
Rendezvous, but still she was not interested.

Then about 3 years ago I started riding horses.  At first she said, "Don't
even think about EVER buying a horse."  I loved riding and have bought all
period saddle and tack, but ride a friend's horse which I will soon be
buying.  About 6 months ago, my wife decided to come out to the ranch and
see my horse.  She had a great time and after coming out for the next month
decided she wanted to try riding.  She's since taken lessons and just loves
the horse she was taking lessons on.  The reason I still haven't bought my
horse is that the owner of the horse she was riding decided to sell him and
we were able to work out a deal where I made payments.  That was about 3
months ago and we will soon have him paid off.

The bottom line is last week she told me that after we buy my horse
(hopefully early next year), she would like to go the the AMM National
Rendezvous next year and both of us take our horses.  She is willing to
sleep on the ground and will finally get some use out of the buckskin
dresses I made.  She just wants to be able to ride with me in the Rockies.
Not bad from a woman who doesn't want to go camping!

I'm sure the same will happen with your husband too.

Best Regards,

Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488



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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:55:15 -0700
From: "Jon Bollin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll

Greetings all,
I've been folowing this string about the use of linseed oil for waterprofing
canvas.
I seem to remember somthing on the AMM list a while back on this.  Someone
said that if you
mix linseed oil with some type of thinner, I belive it was denatured
alcohol, then apply it
to the canvas it will dry faster and it wont stiffen up.  I live right close
to Mexico and buy a canvas that is coated with natural rubber, works great
but dont breath worth a shit. You get all clammy under it during summer rain
and in the winter it tends harden up to crack.  It's great for covering
panniers!

- ----------
>From: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll
>Date: Fri, Sep 25, 1998, 9:47 PM
>

>oilcloth is available from Panther Primitives, PO 32, Normantown, WV 25267
>phone [phone].   works great for bedrolls, diamond flys (trail tarp),
>firewood cover, packbasket covers, haversacks, backpack, rain poncho and the
>list goes on..........    GunShot
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:32:28 -0000
From: "Glenn Darilek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll

I know that the old addage about not storing oily rags was because linseed
oil in contact with cloth can spontaneously ignite.  see
http://www.mhv.net/~dfriedman/arson/spontcom.htm  .  Anyway, this might make
for a REALLY toasty bedroll.

I know that linseed oil and beeswax is a good preservative for iron
blacksmithed goods, and I have bought some military surplus "Impregnite,
Shoe" from a trader who said it was linseed oil and beeswax.  The Impregnite
is for waterproofing shoes.  In a bedroll, the smell would be a bit
annoying, at least at first.

Iron Burner

Tom wrote:

>Ron, I suppose there's no harm in trying, and I got the stuff laying about.
>I'll give it a test and post back if it looks promising.

>Ron wrote:
>
>> I read somewhere that if you heat Linseed Oil until it will melt beeswax,
>> the combination oil/wax makes a good pliable waterproofing, although I
>> haven't tried it.

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:39:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house

Dear Linda

Short of us becoming Muslims or Mormans and you moving in with us (I've always
wanted 2 wives) (Yes, I AM A glutton for punishment)

You just ain't trying hard enough. There are re-enactors of all historic
periods that would just LOVE to have a girl/woman/wife that understood the
"Hobby" thing.

Get your buns on some other lists and visit events (all types) in your
geographic area.  Broaden your horizons.  I played in a honky tonk band for
years, and passed up alot of opportunities because I wouldn't want to
jeopadize (hope i spelt that right)
my marriage , my wife is a buckskinner and that makes her a rare jewel (beside
all her other assets)

OH AND BY THE WAY WE RE-ENACTOR GUYS TEND TO BE A LITTLE SLOW ON THE WOMAN
THING SOMETIMES.  take it easy on 'em.

I wish you the best of luck

John

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:13:39 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll

I'm not AMM and I do not consider myself hardcore,but at home I don't light
the fire until it gets down to the 30's,and in camp usually lay ontop of my
blanket until the temp gets to about 50.
   >Your hardcore buddies probably got more natural insulation than me.
   >-) Ideally, the bottom would act as a groundcloth and the top would
   >act as a skycloth.  This stuff's quite a bit heavier than a
   >painter's cloth but it's a coarse weave and appears rather porous.
   >I'll give the paint a test for the bottom.
   >Tom
   >[e-mail] wrote:
   >> Tom writes:
   >> > Planning to
   >> >  stitch three sides so a wool blanket can be slipped inside for
   >>those  >  cold FL nights when it dips below 70 deg.
   >> Well, the first question that comes to mind is why you would need
   >>a bedroll  and all those heavy blankets during a heatwave. <g>  My
   >>hardcore AMM buddies  here carry a matchcoat and 1 blanket to
   >>below zero and throw the tarp over  their heads to conserve heat.
Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well

"They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:41:36 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll

With all due respect, this thing about linseed oil (especially boiled) on a
canvas (cotton) bedroll is kinda scary. I once wrapped the head of a hawk with
a linseed soaked cotton rag, in order to swell the wood and tighten the head,
and when i came back about 12 hours later, the rag was HOT to the touch, and
the HICKORY WOODEN HANDLE WAS BURNED. thank the Lord my shop was still intact.
Linseed oil is extremely combustible, and on COTTON has been known to
spontaneously combust.  if your bedroll combusted in the middle of the night,
with you in it, it might make you warmer than you'd EVER wanna be. think about
it!!!!!!   YHS, Gun Shot

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:42:41 -0700
From: Chris Sega <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll

[e-mail] wrote:

> . I once wrapped the head of a hawk with
> a linseed soaked cotton rag, in order to swell the wood and tighten the head,
> and when i came back about 12 hours later, the rag was HOT to the touch, and
> the HICKORY WOODEN HANDLE WAS BURNED. thank the Lord my shop was still intact.
> Linseed oil is extremely combustible, and on COTTON has been known to
> spontaneously combust.

  I have had my linseed and pigment oilcloth for over a year, and have never had
any problems.  If I had scrunched it up and put it  in a can when I first made it,
It may have burned.  But when cured the linseed is no longer prone to
spontaneously combust.  It is flammable, but a spark will generally roll off of it
due to the smoothness of the surface.  As for linseed and beeswax, it will burn
even hotter and more readily.  Beeswax and cloth make candles, and we all know how
well they burn.  As for the flammability concern.  Modern fabrics burn too,
sunforger will ignite as well as untreated canvas.  I'll keep my oilcloth, and
just be careful around fire.

Your most onry' and disobediant hivernant.

Sega

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:41:59 -0700
From: "Thomas W. Roberts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll

Boy, that sure sounds like the makin's for some dramatic dreams!  I guess I'm
not going to need any wool afterall.  This could beat the time I rolled into a
campfire in a down bag (don't ask).

Tom

Glenn Darilek wrote:

> I know that the old addage about not storing oily rags was because linseed
> oil in contact with cloth can spontaneously ignite.  see
> http://www.mhv.net/~dfriedman/arson/spontcom.htm  .  Anyway, this might make
> for a REALLY toasty bedroll.
>
> I know that linseed oil and beeswax is a good preservative for iron
> blacksmithed goods, and I have bought some military surplus "Impregnite,
> Shoe" from a trader who said it was linseed oil and beeswax.  The Impregnite
> is for waterproofing shoes.  In a bedroll, the smell would be a bit
> annoying, at least at first.
>
> Iron Burner
>
> Tom wrote:
>
> >Ron, I suppose there's no harm in trying, and I got the stuff laying about.
> >I'll give it a test and post back if it looks promising.
>
> >Ron wrote:
> >
> >> I read somewhere that if you heat Linseed Oil until it will melt beeswax,
> >> the combination oil/wax makes a good pliable waterproofing, although I
> >> haven't tried it.

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:02:14 -0500
From: "yellow rose/pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Old gun barrels

Hawk,
 I've been off line for a while so this post is a little late coming, but
here it is. Always check old gun barrels to see if they are loaded.
Dropping a steel rod down the bore to listen for a clink to determine if it
is loaded is not always a sure thing. I won't go through the whole story,
but I know of one case where a barrel was loaded with a ball bearing. The
man was going to remove the breech plug, it did not want to give up so he
dropped a steel rod down the bore to determine if it was loaded. It hit
bottom with a definite clink so he stuck the breech in his forge to heat it
up some. What happened next was rather spectacular. The thing went off and
the ball bearing bounced off eveything in the shop. When the smoke cleared
old Wally crawled out from under his forge unhurt, but scared damn near to
death.
 One word of caution on a different subject all together.  If you folks
don't have a good surge protector, that includes the modem line, you would
do well to invest in one. Lightning can do wonders for modem.
Pendleton

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:52:11 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll/oil skin

[e-mail] wrote:

> With all due respect, this thing about linseed oil (especially boiled) on a
> canvas (cotton) bedroll is kinda scary.

Folks:

I gave this a shot when I first signed on to the list. I'll give it a go again for
the newcomers.

(25 years as a Professional Fire Fighter). Linseed oil soaked rags are dangerous
as a source of spontaneous ignition if the oil soaked cloth is put in an inclosed
space, like a metal can, plastic can or the rags are wrapped up around something
like the Hawk Head. After the oil has dried or cured, the danger is only that of
any combustible material. That is why steel ships burn so well, they have been
coated on the inside and outside with several layers of Paint. Your oil cloth bed
roll will catch fire fairly easily if you bring it into contact with open flame. A
spark won't do it. Probably burn a hole through it but that's about all. Now to
how to make oil cloth.

This recipe works though there are problems with the finished product. The recipe
consists of linseed oil, bee's wax and about 4 to 8 oz. of burnt umber oil paint
as found in your art supply store.

The more bee's wax you use the more flexible the cloth will be. The thinner you
can make the mixture the lighter the cloth will be. In a large coffee can (3 lb.)
fill 1/2 the can full of linseed oil. Add at least one disc of bee's wax that
measures 1" high and 4"-6" wide. Squeeze in the contents of one standard tube of
burnt umber oil paint and bring to a simmer in the safest manner you know. This is
about as dangerous an operation as making candles and the mixture needs to get
that hot. Mix very well and while the mix cools a bit, prepare the cloth for
treatment. After you take the mixture off the heat source and remove to a safe
location, double the volume by adding turpentine, paint thinner, Etc. to thin the
mix down. If you apply full strength it will add quit a bit of weight to the
cloth. It will be heavy enough as it is.

Prepare a flat area covered with a heavy plastic sheet of visquene and lay the
cloth out smoothly no more than 4 thickness' deep. Use a paint roller with medium
nape on a long handle (if available) and pour some of your "barely cool enough to
handle" mixture into a roller pan and thoroughly soak the cloth. Flip the cloth
over if needed to get good penetration. Make sure that you are applying well
mixed  product so you get a good distribution of bee's wax and oil paint.

Most directions I have seen at this point say not to put the treated cloth in the
sun to dry. I have done that here in E. WA and have not had any problem with the
two oil cloths I have made. I pick the cloth up and try to find some place to
drape it so that it will have good air movement and good heat from the sun and so
that it will also drain if it needs to. I usually turn it at least once a day
until it is fairly dry. It will smell like hell for at least two weeks and you
lill not be able to stand being rolled up in it for an even longer time if you do
not get it thoroughly dry. That is why I do it in very sunny weather. It may be a
bit late in the season in some parts of the country to get a good quick drying.

I have made two oil cloths using muslin. Muslin is a bit on the lite side and will
be brittle and tear easily when the cloth is cold and stiff in the winter. Using
stronger material will result in a stronger item but it will also hold more of the
oil and bee's wax and thus be heavier. 6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other.
Another trait that you need to consider is that the cloth is quit moisture proof
and  will tend to build up a bit of condensation on the inside if you use it as a
bed roll. I always use a wool blanket so though there is a bit of moisture on the
inside in the morning, it isn't really that big a deal.

I will close this out now before this darned machine freezes up on me and I loose
the whole thing. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. I remain....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:13:08 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: MtMan-List: Vermillion

I need some feed back on American and Chinese vermillion. I know some about
both  and its uses by Indians. Question is what other uses did it have?
Where does it come from?

How about blue Indigo, I think it comes from a plant and that people dyed
their clothes with it. Indians used it some. Want to know more

Allan, do you have any infor on this

Joe

Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
Write for custom tanning prices
We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and
hair on robes
Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets
check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:48:41 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion

Blue indigo (Wild blue indigo) grows around here and some people dig the roots
as they still have a value for making indigo ink.  It's a real common plant.
This isn't much but I hope it helps.

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:01:22 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion

In what general geographical location does indigo grow.  I am in the midwest
and I do not know if it is here.  Does it have a botanical name that you know
of?

Red Hawk

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:29:25 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: romance I had to forward this to the list! Now I think I know why my daughter is so

nuts about voos! She's also a killer hawk thrower!
BTW, I'm setting up a maillist for native reenactors to discuss
makeup,special effects(slit ears,etc) history,etc. I'll let ya know when
it's up and running.
So, fellas you see not all shaved head pierced nosed people are young skirt
chasing punks after our daughters,I have 7 grandchildren and still fit your
description of a punk!
    There's ROMANCE in
   >the air. I think it's kind of funny that people are hitting on each
   >other over a mountain man chat line. I do admit it, it is a great
   >place for a young teenager like me to pick up some "honnies", but
   >it's definitely not the only reason I go to reenactments. I have
   >met several of my girlfriends at these things, but instead of the
   >opening lines like "hi" or "where are you from" it's usually "man,
   >this must suck staying here for the weekend", "is your nose and
   >ears really pierced?" or a really popular one is "do you have
   >anything under that?"(I'm referring to my breech clout or "butt
   >flap"). That's all I have to say about that. the roach that I have
   >was made to be a dancers roach. it's a small 7 in. base, but it
   >works perfectly when a were it on the back of my head as a worriers
   >roach. Do you know where I can get simulated wampum. If so, how
   >much would it cost me. Right now my peace medallion is suspended
   >from a red piece of trade ribbon and I want to suspend it from a
   >couple strands of wampum.
   >your worrier wannabe,
   >David Fritsch

Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well

"They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698

Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:22:52 -0700
From: Longtrail <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brain Tanning

>My hubby and I are tanning hides in our usual fasion.  However, since I've
>been cruising the information superhighway, I discovered a method that
>requires pre-smoking the hides.  In otherwords, after fleshing, dehairing,
>braining, stretching and drying the hide, it is smoked, brained again,
>worked again, and smoked again.
>
>Has anyone else tried this twice-smoked method?  How did it work?
>
>This method by Joseph and Virginia Dinsmore is found on the NativeTech.com
>web site.
>
>Thanks!
>[e-mail]

Hello,I read the letter to this site.I am glad that,and I hope that they
try this way because once you do you usually dont go back.I only wanted to
point out that the second smoking is for when the hide is softened out.If
you look at the method in this way ,when a white hide that is soft and
smoked gets wet , it requires very little stretching to soften it back up
so why not smoke a prestretched hide to get the same results.Prestretching
the hides does nothing more than to allow the smoke to penetrate futher
into the hide.You are not trying to soften the hide at the prestretching
stage just open the fibers up .If you would like to know more contact us at
[e-mail]
Joe and Longtrail

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:06:16 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion

Wild Bllue Indigo (Blue Wildindigo)  (Baptisia australis)
According to my books it grows throughout the plains and prairies of the
United States.
I live in eastern OKla. and here it's very common allthough most people don't
know what it is.

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:53:40 -0500
From: "Phil Petersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brain Tanning

You can count on what Joe and Longtrail advise.  The only problem I had was
not taking the cotton out of my ears and putting it in my mouth.  Just
finished pre streching two hides using their method.  I have had very good
luck brain tanning over the last few weeks using the steps and revised steps
they offer.   I know Longtrail will be glad to hear that one of there
students (me) has done some really good hides as of late.

Grasshoppa
- -----Original Message-----
From: Longtrail <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brain Tanning


>>My hubby and I are tanning hides in our usual fasion.  However, since I've
>>been cruising the information superhighway, I discovered a method that
>>requires pre-smoking the hides.  In otherwords, after fleshing, dehairing,
>>braining, stretching and drying the hide, it is smoked, brained again,
>>worked again, and smoked again.
>>
>>Has anyone else tried this twice-smoked method?  How did it work?
>>
>>This method by Joseph and Virginia Dinsmore is found on the NativeTech.com
>>web site.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>[e-mail]
>
>Hello,I read the letter to this site.I am glad that,and I hope that they
>try this way because once you do you usually dont go back.I only wanted to
>point out that the second smoking is for when the hide is softened out.If
>you look at the method in this way ,when a white hide that is soft and
>smoked gets wet , it requires very little stretching to soften it back up
>so why not smoke a prestretched hide to get the same results.Prestretching
>the hides does nothing more than to allow the smoke to penetrate futher
>into the hide.You are not trying to soften the hide at the prestretching
>stage just open the fibers up .If you would like to know more contact us at
>[e-mail]
>Joe and Longtrail
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:24:04 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan...

While we are on the subject of brain tan.  I am looking for a good source to
buy a couple of hides to make a pair of eastern style leggings.  I have
received a price list from Wes Housler.  Has anyone had any experience with
his hides?  Who are others that you would recommend?  When it comes to
spending $200+ on a couple of deer hides I want to make sure that I get the
best quality I can.  Thanks in advance for all the help.

Grant

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:38:55 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan...

Check these links: All are reputable sources.....
<A HREF="http://www.onpages.com/absaroka">
Absaroka Western Designs</A>   <A HREF="http://www.hideandfur.com/">Moscow
Hide and Fur
 </A><A HREF="http://www.flash.net/~unicom/hungry/hungry1.htm">Deer Hides /
Hunters For The Hungry</A>
Lietzau Taxidermy
PO Box 12, Cosmos, MN 56228. [phone]
elkhide, Furs and hides,

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:39:08 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan...

Grant:

I would highly recommend the hides of my friend Mike "Dirty Shirt"  Rider. He is
at 2263 Gold Creek Ridge Rd. , Sandpoint Id. 83864. Give him a call at (208)
265-4862 and tell him Capt. Lahti sent ya. I remain...

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

[e-mail] wrote:

> While we are on the subject of brain tan.  I am looking for a good source to
> buy a couple of hides to make a pair of eastern style leggings.  I have
> received a price list from Wes Housler.  Has anyone had any experience with
> his hides?  Who are others that you would recommend?  When it comes to
> spending $200+ on a couple of deer hides I want to make sure that I get the
> best quality I can.  Thanks in advance for all the help.
>
> Grant

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:56:54 -0400
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan...

I have known Wess for over 30 years.  He was real young and so was I.  His brain
tanning is very good and the prices are reasonable.  If you do not like what you
see he will take it back with no questions.  I have several of his Elk and
deer.  One could have been broken down more....sending it back.  But tell him
what you want and be tries to comply.  But may need a swift kick in the butt to
remind him every so often.
The others mentioned are also familiar to me and will fit your needs.  Are you
going to do a dark smoke on the hide for the Eastern look or black and or
red????  Love to see a man in good looking leggings and some good quill work at
the knees.  Was that a sexist statement?

Linda Holley

[e-mail] wrote:

> While we are on the subject of brain tan.  I am looking for a good source to
> buy a couple of hides to make a pair of eastern style leggings.  I have
> received a price list from Wes Housler.  Has anyone had any experience with
> his hides?  Who are others that you would recommend?  When it comes to
> spending $200+ on a couple of deer hides I want to make sure that I get the
> best quality I can.  Thanks in advance for all the help.
>
> Grant

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:50:47 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Painters Tarps

this is not period but there was a fairly famous tipi here in new york city
for a while.

the homeless people that used to live by the side of the manhattan bridge
built a tipi out of old mail sacks.  I know it probably wouldn't go over at
rendezvous, but maybe you could turn them inside out.

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:16:41 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan...

If it was a sexist statement, I didn't read it that way.  Anyhow, I am
interested in your comments about the dark smoke or dyed leggings.  I have not
found any good resources (can't say that I have looked THAT hard) to research
leggings.  I understand the design and can make a pair I am sure, but as for
what is exactly correct for what group and area I am not sure.  Any help would
be much appreciated.

Grant

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:01:45 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan...

Wes has good hides another good tanner is
Dave Bethke
American Falls, Id 83211
3149 Raft Rd
208-226-2709

Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
Write for custom tanning prices
We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and
hair on robes
Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets
check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:04:45 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: MtMan-List: Vermillion, Indigo

But where can I get some blue indigo, and any information on vermillion
Thanks in advance
Joe

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:07:16 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: DYES : Vermillion and Indigo...

Gary, (Ground Afire) Somebody on the AMM e-mail list has asked about the
botanical and common names for Blue Indigo and Vermillion, and the range o=
f
where each grows.  Any help?  Thanks.  R.

 Note to the List: It helps to know a botanist,  LOL=099/27/98 Sunday

=09I grow and know well two dye plants that call themselves Indigo...here =
are
the scientific names of the two most often used species:

BAPTISIA tinctoria- =93Wild Indigo=94 4=92    dye plant

INDIGOFERA tinctoria- =93Blue indigo=94     dye plant

=09There are a number of other species of both Baptisia and Indigofera tha=
t make
dye, but these are the most common.      Also, blue dye was most popularly
made from another plant ISATIS tinctoria- =93Woad=94...and others.     Bap=
tisia
ranges from the eastern USA, Mass to Florida and west to Minn.
Indigofera was grown throughout the colonies and there is a fascinating
history of this plant as a valuable cash crop.

=09Vermillion is a variety of mercuric sulphide, HgS, and was prepared by
subliming the black sulfide obtained on heating mercury with sulphur.     =
I
don=92t know the date when this process was discovered.
=09It produces a brilliant scarlet, very heavy solid which when finely gro=
und
makes a beautiful and permanent pigment.        It was also painted on shi=
p
bottoms to help prevent fouling.     I have a lot more information on all =
of
this if you need it...let me know.
=09I still haven=92t gotten on any AMM or RDV lists yet and perhaps when y=
ou get
time could you make me some =93go to=94 lists?
=09I hope this helps...
Gary
=09=09


=09=09

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:36:54 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion, Indigo

Joe writes:

> But where can I get some blue indigo, and any information on vermillion

Joe,
There is a mailing list called NaturalDyes which deals with all aspects of
using natural materials for dyeing.  If you are interested, contact me off-
list and I will send you the instructions to subscibe.  It is a new list and
the volume is still very low.

The topic of vermillion recently came up there.  True vermillion, also known
as cinnabar, is a mercury compound that is seldom used anymore because of it's
toxicity characteristics.  A web search using the key word "cinnabar" might
turn up some information on it.  Vermillion is often erroneously used to
denote red ochre, but the two compounds are very different.

OldFox

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:40:09 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion, Indigo

cinnabar is also a mineral used by the asians for carving into beads, statues,
boxes,etc

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:33:39 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: romance I had to forward this to the list! Now I think I  know why my daughter is so

dave make your own wampum---contact me offline and i will give you
instructions---

      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:42:12 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion

trapperjoe what does it look like-in what area does it grow-----ken is it
common in arkansas---do you know what it looks like maby during hunting
season we can find it---

      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
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On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:06:16 EDT [e-mail] writes:
>Wild Bllue Indigo (Blue Wildindigo)  (Baptisia australis)
>According to my books it grows throughout the plains and prairies of
>the
>United States.
>I live in eastern OKla. and here it's very common allthough most
>people don't
>know what it is.
>
>

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:47:27 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan...

200+ is out of my budget---
      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
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On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:24:04 EDT [e-mail] writes:
>While we are on the subject of brain tan.  I am looking for a good
>source to
>buy a couple of hides to make a pair of eastern style leggings.  I
>have
>received a price list from Wes Housler.  Has anyone had any experience
>with
>his hides?  Who are others that you would recommend?  When it comes to
>spending $200+ on a couple of deer hides I want to make sure that I
>get the
>best quality I can.  Thanks in advance for all the help.
>
>Grant
>
>

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:52:44 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan...

hell no---and art form is a art form---
      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
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On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:56:54 -0400 Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
writes:
>I have known Wess for over 30 years.  He was real young and so was I.
>His brain
>tanning is very good and the prices are reasonable.  If you do not
>like what you
>see he will take it back with no questions.  I have several of his Elk
>and
>deer.  One could have been broken down more....sending it back.  But
>tell him
>what you want and be tries to comply.  But may need a swift kick in
>the butt to
>remind him every so often.
>The others mentioned are also familiar to me and will fit your needs.
>Are you
>going to do a dark smoke on the hide for the Eastern look or black and
>or
>red????  Love to see a man in good looking leggings and some good
>quill work at
>the knees.  Was that a sexist statement?
>
>Linda Holley
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>> While we are on the subject of brain tan.  I am looking for a good
>source to
>> buy a couple of hides to make a pair of eastern style leggings.  I
>have
>> received a price list from Wes Housler.  Has anyone had any
>experience with
>> his hides?  Who are others that you would recommend?  When it comes
>to
>> spending $200+ on a couple of deer hides I want to make sure that I
>get the
>> best quality I can.  Thanks in advance for all the help.
>>
>> Grant
>
>
>
>
>

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