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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:45:32 -0500
From: "Ken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house

Howdy Linda,
Guess I better get Calamity Jane to write you a note so you won't think
it's just some Macho thing. Pam is sweet and soft to the touch, but she
shoots center, can skin anything, put a tipi up by herself, and her
favorite knife is an original 18 inch long butcher knife I got her at
rendezvous at Henry's Fork in ' 75. In fact she is happiest when we are in
the middle of no where. I'm going to meet Hawk the weekend of the 10th. for
a couple of weeks of hunting, and she is taking off to Big Bend with our
three kids to go hiking and camping. She's always taking off somewhere like
that. And I am always here when she gets back. ( Even when she did a year
solo in Korea ) I have a friend in VA just like you. Only woman I ever met
who could skin a deer faster than most men. Then there was Rainbow, an
Apache woman we met at the 1976 rendezvous in Utah, who came in alone, set
up her own camp ( huge tipi ) and she seemed to really have a great time.
So this old curmudgeon understands perfectly! It's just some men are too
dang stupid to know a good thing when they see it. Hang in there!
YellowFeather

Dear Linda,
    Just got home from my after work errands and Ken asked if I wanted to add
my two cents worth.  First of all, I'm sorry about your dogs.  The
four-legged ones.  I got lucky when I found Ken who walks in my soul.  Keep
looking and doing what you like to do and hopefully one day Mr. Right for
You will come along.  Most men, for all their talk, I think are pretty
insecure when it comes to accepting a mate as an equal.  There's a
psychological syndrome that seems to dictate that they want Mom in the
kitchen and a seductress in the bedroom and sometimes they can't accept
that you're a person in your own right and not an extension of themselves.
I think that society still programs boys to think that this is the way it's
supposed to be and women keep letting them get away with it.  But, when you
find one that is willing to share with you and trust you it's GREAT!  So
don't despair, there are some out there.

Love,
Calamity Jane
(Pam)

- ----------
> From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 7:51 PM
>
> Gee guys, when I said "except you guys" it was with the understanding
that all of
> you knew where I was coming from, you do understand me.  Except  it is
hard to tell
> people what we do.  For men to tell the ladies, they understand your
going out with
> the boys for the weekend camp out.  With us girls it is, You are going
where and
> sleeping with whom in what cold bed in the middle of no where....not in
this life
> time.   Wives are more understanding of men who participate than the
husbands.
> Must be some kind of macho thing.  I do not really know.   But the last
time I said
> I was going out for the weekend with the boys... I came back to an empty
house,
> except for the two dogs.  They died.
>
>
> Linda Holley
>
>
> Thomas H. Harbold wrote:
>
> > At 8:26 PM -0400 9/23/98, Linda Holley wrote:
> > >Unfortunately, when I bring my boyfriends home for the first time,
they
> > >see the
> > >guns on the walls, knives on the fireplace, tipi furnishings all over
and then
> > >say good-bye.  Cannot find a decent man who understands me or my
weapons or my
> > >camping style, or the strange smell of smoked buckskin in the air.  So
what if
> > >my favorite Glade stick is Ode-de-smoked-skin.  Isn't there anyone out
there
> > >that understands me?????
> > >
> > >Linda Holley     ........except you guys.
> >
> > Darnit, Linda, why'd ya hafta say "except you guys"??? Shoot, I've been
> > *lookin'* for a woman who likes guns & knives & stuff, for years!!!
> > ***siiiiigh...***
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Yr most humble, &c.,
> >
> > Thomas
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:31:17 -0400
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house

thanks for the messages.....they are appriciated........

Linda Holley

Ken wrote:

> Howdy Linda,
> Guess I better get Calamity Jane to write you a note so you won't think
> it's just some Macho thing. Pam is sweet and soft to the touch, but she
> shoots center, can skin anything, put a tipi up by herself, and her
> favorite knife is an original 18 inch long butcher knife I got her at
> rendezvous at Henry's Fork in ' 75. In fact she is happiest when we are in
> the middle of no where. I'm going to meet Hawk the weekend of the 10th. for
> a couple of weeks of hunting, and she is taking off to Big Bend with our
> three kids to go hiking and camping. She's always taking off somewhere like
> that. And I am always here when she gets back. ( Even when she did a year
> solo in Korea ) I have a friend in VA just like you. Only woman I ever met
> who could skin a deer faster than most men. Then there was Rainbow, an
> Apache woman we met at the 1976 rendezvous in Utah, who came in alone, set
> up her own camp ( huge tipi ) and she seemed to really have a great time.
> So this old curmudgeon understands perfectly! It's just some men are too
> dang stupid to know a good thing when they see it. Hang in there!
> YellowFeather
>
> Dear Linda,
>         Just got home from my after work errands and Ken asked if I wanted to add
> my two cents worth.  First of all, I'm sorry about your dogs.  The
> four-legged ones.  I got lucky when I found Ken who walks in my soul.  Keep
> looking and doing what you like to do and hopefully one day Mr. Right for
> You will come along.  Most men, for all their talk, I think are pretty
> insecure when it comes to accepting a mate as an equal.  There's a
> psychological syndrome that seems to dictate that they want Mom in the
> kitchen and a seductress in the bedroom and sometimes they can't accept
> that you're a person in your own right and not an extension of themselves.
> I think that society still programs boys to think that this is the way it's
> supposed to be and women keep letting them get away with it.  But, when you
> find one that is willing to share with you and trust you it's GREAT!  So
> don't despair, there are some out there.
>
> Love,
> Calamity Jane
> (Pam)
>
> ----------
> > From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house
> > Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 7:51 PM
> >
> > Gee guys, when I said "except you guys" it was with the understanding
> that all of
> > you knew where I was coming from, you do understand me.  Except  it is
> hard to tell
> > people what we do.  For men to tell the ladies, they understand your
> going out with
> > the boys for the weekend camp out.  With us girls it is, You are going
> where and
> > sleeping with whom in what cold bed in the middle of no where....not in
> this life
> > time.   Wives are more understanding of men who participate than the
> husbands.
> > Must be some kind of macho thing.  I do not really know.   But the last
> time I said
> > I was going out for the weekend with the boys... I came back to an empty
> house,
> > except for the two dogs.  They died.
> >
> >
> > Linda Holley
> >
> >
> > Thomas H. Harbold wrote:
> >
> > > At 8:26 PM -0400 9/23/98, Linda Holley wrote:
> > > >Unfortunately, when I bring my boyfriends home for the first time,
> they
> > > >see the
> > > >guns on the walls, knives on the fireplace, tipi furnishings all over
> and then
> > > >say good-bye.  Cannot find a decent man who understands me or my
> weapons or my
> > > >camping style, or the strange smell of smoked buckskin in the air.  So
> what if
> > > >my favorite Glade stick is Ode-de-smoked-skin.  Isn't there anyone out
> there
> > > >that understands me?????
> > > >
> > > >Linda Holley     ........except you guys.
> > >
> > > Darnit, Linda, why'd ya hafta say "except you guys"??? Shoot, I've been
> > > *lookin'* for a woman who likes guns & knives & stuff, for years!!!
> > > ***siiiiigh...***
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > Yr most humble, &c.,
> > >
> > > Thomas
> >
> >
> >

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:38:58 -0500
From: Eli Kutzko <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house

Linda Holley wrote:

...it is hard to tell
> people what we do.....  With us girls it is, You are going
where and
> sleeping with whom in what cold bed in the middle of no
where....not in this life
> time.

I know this one well.  My ex was like that with the accusations.
 One night while he was at work, I packed up my truck, put my
dog in the passenger seat, and drove off.  Smartest thing I ever
did.

Don't fret it.  Not all men are like that.  My husband is used
to me running all over heck and lore at the drop of a hat.  I
suffer from a bad case of must-wander.  He knows I'll be back.
Just recently I ran into a snag on accomodations because I
wanted to run lighter than usual.  My hubby suggested I bunk
with one of my ex-lovers who was going to be there.  I laughed
so hard I nearly blew venison out my nose.  Men like that are a
great change in pace (there are more of them out there than you
think).  Trust is a wonderful thing.

Sorry too about the dogs... you really ought to think of getting
some new furry buddies.

Eli


~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~
Eli Kutzko    <[e-mail]>

"Just once, I wish we would encounter an alien menace
that wasn't immune to bullets."  The Brigader (Dr. Who)

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:33:36 -0700
From: "Jerry H. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house

my kind of woman.         iron tongue

Linda Holley wrote:

> Unfortunately, when I bring my boyfriends home for the first time, they see the
> guns on the walls, knives on the fireplace, tipi furnishings all over and then
> say good-bye.  Cannot find a decent man who understands me or my weapons or my
> camping style, or the strange smell of smoked buckskin in the air.  So what if
> my favorite Glade stick is Ode-de-smoked-skin.  Isn't there anyone out there
> that understands me?????
>
> Linda Holley     ........except you guys.
>
> Addison Miller wrote:
>
> > heh... I usually made it a habit of cleaning all my BP rifles when my
> > daughter brought her boyfriends over.  Funny thing.... never say many of
> > them more than once... Musta been because I had my stone and most of my BIG
> > knives layin beside the rifles... Ya think ??
> >
> > Seanbear
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
> > To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 7:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: more on fires
> >
> > >Allen
> > >My step-daughter has brought home a few of those pierced nose, shaved head
> > >punks that I would gladly started a fire with...offered to with a couple of
> > >them.
> > >Lanney
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Allen Chronister <[e-mail]>
> > >To: chat <[e-mail]>
> > >Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 11:03 AM
> > >Subject: MtMan-List: more on fires
> > >
> > >
> > >>More on firemaking.  Someone questioned how much
> > >>char cloth would be needed to start 3 fires a day
> > >>for extended periods of time.  Someone else very
> > >>correctly noted that once a fire is started it
> > >>need not be put out as long as camp stays in the
> > >>same place.  This is certainly the practice when
> > >>we camp, and it is reflected in period journals.
> > >>O. Russell stated that the jobs of a camp keeper
> > >>(his original job description) included guarding
> > >>horses, cooking and keeping the fires going (p.
> > >>51).
> > >>John Kirk Townsend described drying meat, during
> > >>which time the fire was "going constantly."  (p.
> > >>106)
> > >>I also found another reference to making fire.
> > >>David Meriweather mentioned striking fire with
> > >>flint and steel and "some punk we had taken with
> > >>us."  (p. 59).  "Punk" of course probably means
> > >>charred plant material, not some guy with a
> > >>pierced nose, shaved head and a motorcycle jacket.
> > >>Allen Chronister
> > >>
> > >
> > >

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:50:43 -0700
From: "Jerry H. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house

got the same problem with girls i bring out hear to my house about 1/2 hr and they
ask what do the woman do out hear . i know then im sunk so i tell them that my last
wife didn't have much to do because i kept her busy  skinning skunk an possum. told
hr that i wouldn't work her more than 10 or  12 hr. a day and she could work for the
jones boys in her spare time cutting wood . the wouldn't be mean to her if she worked
hard and didn't eat to much. kept that woman locked in the basement  cant understand
why she left me. then i wait for them to say well iv got to go now and we will get
together soon ya right . sometimes i laff tell i get tears in my eyes.  iron tongue

Ken wrote:

> Howdy Linda,
> Guess I better get Calamity Jane to write you a note so you won't think
> it's just some Macho thing. Pam is sweet and soft to the touch, but she
> shoots center, can skin anything, put a tipi up by herself, and her
> favorite knife is an original 18 inch long butcher knife I got her at
> rendezvous at Henry's Fork in ' 75. In fact she is happiest when we are in
> the middle of no where. I'm going to meet Hawk the weekend of the 10th. for
> a couple of weeks of hunting, and she is taking off to Big Bend with our
> three kids to go hiking and camping. She's always taking off somewhere like
> that. And I am always here when she gets back. ( Even when she did a year
> solo in Korea ) I have a friend in VA just like you. Only woman I ever met
> who could skin a deer faster than most men. Then there was Rainbow, an
> Apache woman we met at the 1976 rendezvous in Utah, who came in alone, set
> up her own camp ( huge tipi ) and she seemed to really have a great time.
> So this old curmudgeon understands perfectly! It's just some men are too
> dang stupid to know a good thing when they see it. Hang in there!
> YellowFeather
>
> Dear Linda,
>         Just got home from my after work errands and Ken asked if I wanted to add
> my two cents worth.  First of all, I'm sorry about your dogs.  The
> four-legged ones.  I got lucky when I found Ken who walks in my soul.  Keep
> looking and doing what you like to do and hopefully one day Mr. Right for
> You will come along.  Most men, for all their talk, I think are pretty
> insecure when it comes to accepting a mate as an equal.  There's a
> psychological syndrome that seems to dictate that they want Mom in the
> kitchen and a seductress in the bedroom and sometimes they can't accept
> that you're a person in your own right and not an extension of themselves.
> I think that society still programs boys to think that this is the way it's
> supposed to be and women keep letting them get away with it.  But, when you
> find one that is willing to share with you and trust you it's GREAT!  So
> don't despair, there are some out there.
>
> Love,
> Calamity Jane
> (Pam)
>
> ----------
> > From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house
> > Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 7:51 PM
> >
> > Gee guys, when I said "except you guys" it was with the understanding
> that all of
> > you knew where I was coming from, you do understand me.  Except  it is
> hard to tell
> > people what we do.  For men to tell the ladies, they understand your
> going out with
> > the boys for the weekend camp out.  With us girls it is, You are going
> where and
> > sleeping with whom in what cold bed in the middle of no where....not in
> this life
> > time.   Wives are more understanding of men who participate than the
> husbands.
> > Must be some kind of macho thing.  I do not really know.   But the last
> time I said
> > I was going out for the weekend with the boys... I came back to an empty
> house,
> > except for the two dogs.  They died.
> >
> >
> > Linda Holley
> >
> >
> > Thomas H. Harbold wrote:
> >
> > > At 8:26 PM -0400 9/23/98, Linda Holley wrote:
> > > >Unfortunately, when I bring my boyfriends home for the first time,
> they
> > > >see the
> > > >guns on the walls, knives on the fireplace, tipi furnishings all over
> and then
> > > >say good-bye.  Cannot find a decent man who understands me or my
> weapons or my
> > > >camping style, or the strange smell of smoked buckskin in the air.  So
> what if
> > > >my favorite Glade stick is Ode-de-smoked-skin.  Isn't there anyone out
> there
> > > >that understands me?????
> > > >
> > > >Linda Holley     ........except you guys.
> > >
> > > Darnit, Linda, why'd ya hafta say "except you guys"??? Shoot, I've been
> > > *lookin'* for a woman who likes guns & knives & stuff, for years!!!
> > > ***siiiiigh...***
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > Yr most humble, &c.,
> > >
> > > Thomas
> >
> >
> >

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:09:32 -0500
From: Eli Kutzko <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man

Linda Holley wrote:

> Gee guys, when I said "except you guys" it was with the
understanding that all of
> you knew where I was coming from, you do understand me.
Except  it is hard to tell
> people what we do.....

Okay, let me add my two cents:

First off, this is NOT Eli. This is Sean, Eli's husband. She is
wonderful to look at, and also sweet to the touch (as somebody
else wrote of their wife). That being said, there is NO question
who you'd want in the middle of nowhere. Eli would be out there
with a pack, good boots, maybe a decent knife, and a well-made
hat. She'd catch fish with her bare hands, cook them over a fire
made with flint (matches are for wimps), burp loudly after
dinner, and sleep on bare ground. Me? I'd be dying from heat
exhaustion after lugging my pack around, complete with ham radio
gear, aluminum poles for antennas, portable generator, canvas
tent with room for 12, global positioning system, and electric
bread-making machine. I'd squeal if I got a hangnail, and go
into withdrawl without access to a National Public Radio station
to listen to.

She can do whatever the hell she wants.. think *I'M* gonna stop
her?

There are a lot of guys who appreciate good, strong women! Eli
can stand on her own two feet (and bail my butt out of a SERIOUS
jam if need be). Don't give up the search...he's out there,
hiding under some rock.

Okay, gotta run.. my decaf mocha is getting cold.

Sean Kutzko
Urbana, Illinois


~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~
Eli Kutzko    <[e-mail]>

"Just once, I wish we would encounter an alien menace
that wasn't immune to bullets."  The Brigader (Dr. Who)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:40:45 -0500
From: Jim Colburn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man

Washtahay-
gee, Eli's husband Sean sounded OK until he said...
>my decaf mocha is getting cold.
LongWalker c. du B.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:03:49 -0600
From: Wayne Mumford <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man

Linda,

This string is really fun, not that I'm enjoying your situation, it's
just that a woman with your interests etc.is like manna form heaven
these days. I have couple single buddies that get tangled up in some of
the crazziest relationships with some real loonie tunes. Whether you
know it or not- you are in great demand and you WILL run into a "good
man" one of these days. With the pack that I used to run with before I
got married, all hopeless outdoor types, we would have been bouncing off
your tipi flaps like hail in thunderstorm.

Maybe it defies the male logic to see a woman with all the toys and
attributes that he would like to have himself so it sets him back a
bit...but if he's gone Ga-Ga he'll get over it!

I remember we once saw an attractive gall in an ol beat up pickup truck
with a couple dogs riding shotgun and the whole bunch of us about fell
over ourselves with little cartoon hearts floating all over the place.
And she was long gone before anyone had recovered enough sense to give a
chase...

He's out there...just hasn't caught up with you yet!

Wayne
- --
Frontier Filmworks
Still Photography by Wayne Mumford
Locations-Prints-Stock Images
The Lewis & Clark Trail
http://gallery.in-tch.com/~ffw/

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:27:17 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man

Ok, Sean... I'll write of my GREAT wife :))  Her first Ronny was Alafia 96,
adn she took to it like a duck to water.  My first wife just dinna
understand... said it was just games, adn I dinna need that... sure don't
miss her!!  Vicki (I call her Mouse), is the GREATEST partner a guy could
have.  Get camp set up, adn she shoos me off.. and putters until the camp is
perfect... <lol> Drives me nuts, but I love it... heh...  She shoots a lil
.36, and on her first shoot, could cover the holes with a small plate.
Loads her own and is gettin to be a good shot.  She will definately do to
ride tha river with...  She is my soul mate, my lover, my companion, my
wife... GADS!!!, its great :))

SeanBear
aka Addison Miller
- -----Original Message-----
From: Eli Kutzko <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man


>Linda Holley wrote:
>
>> Gee guys, when I said "except you guys" it was with the
>understanding that all of
>> you knew where I was coming from, you do understand me.
>Except  it is hard to tell
>> people what we do.....
>
>Okay, let me add my two cents:
>
>First off, this is NOT Eli. This is Sean, Eli's husband. She is
>wonderful to look at, and also sweet to the touch (as somebody
>else wrote of their wife). That being said, there is NO question
>who you'd want in the middle of nowhere. Eli would be out there
>with a pack, good boots, maybe a decent knife, and a well-made
>hat. She'd catch fish with her bare hands, cook them over a fire
>made with flint (matches are for wimps), burp loudly after
>dinner, and sleep on bare ground. Me? I'd be dying from heat
>exhaustion after lugging my pack around, complete with ham radio
>gear, aluminum poles for antennas, portable generator, canvas
>tent with room for 12, global positioning system, and electric
>bread-making machine. I'd squeal if I got a hangnail, and go
>into withdrawl without access to a National Public Radio station
>to listen to.
>
>She can do whatever the hell she wants.. think *I'M* gonna stop
>her?
>
>There are a lot of guys who appreciate good, strong women! Eli
>can stand on her own two feet (and bail my butt out of a SERIOUS
>jam if need be). Don't give up the search...he's out there,
>hiding under some rock.
>
>Okay, gotta run.. my decaf mocha is getting cold.
>
>Sean Kutzko
>Urbana, Illinois
>
>
>~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~
>Eli Kutzko    <[e-mail]>
>
>"Just once, I wish we would encounter an alien menace
>that wasn't immune to bullets."  The Brigader (Dr. Who)
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:30:15 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man

I've known Linda for several years, and she is a real sweetie :))  If'n
Mouse wasn't in my tent, I'd give chase real quick...  Hang in there Hon...
He's out there, and one day, you will find him.  Just send Mouse and me an
invite to tha weddin.... :))

SeanBear

PS: You goin to the Highland Games in Tallahassee 8-11 Oct??


- -----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Mumford <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man


>Linda,
>
>This string is really fun, not that I'm enjoying your situation, it's
>just that a woman with your interests etc.is like manna form heaven
>these days. I have couple single buddies that get tangled up in some of
>the crazziest relationships with some real loonie tunes. Whether you
>know it or not- you are in great demand and you WILL run into a "good
>man" one of these days. With the pack that I used to run with before I
>got married, all hopeless outdoor types, we would have been bouncing off
>your tipi flaps like hail in thunderstorm.
>
>Maybe it defies the male logic to see a woman with all the toys and
>attributes that he would like to have himself so it sets him back a
>bit...but if he's gone Ga-Ga he'll get over it!
>
>I remember we once saw an attractive gall in an ol beat up pickup truck
>with a couple dogs riding shotgun and the whole bunch of us about fell
>over ourselves with little cartoon hearts floating all over the place.
>And she was long gone before anyone had recovered enough sense to give a
>chase...
>
>He's out there...just hasn't caught up with you yet!
>
>Wayne
>--
>Frontier Filmworks
>Still Photography by Wayne Mumford
>Locations-Prints-Stock Images
>The Lewis & Clark Trail
>http://gallery.in-tch.com/~ffw/
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:07:43 -0700
From: Corey Tretteen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man -Reply

hmmmmmm....   : )   I like this string.  It's fun.    And Linda,
Good luck, and I'm sorry about the dogs.

"two roads diverge in a yellow wood.....   who needs a road?*

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:38:13 -0600
From: "David Tippets" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Meriweather on Kit Carson

Allen,

Since you have apparently read David Meriweather's book, let me ask you what
you think of Meriweather's assessment of Kit Carson being so contrary to the
image of Carson promoted by John Fremont and Carson's biographers?

Dave
- -----Original Message-----
From: Allen Chronister <[e-mail]>
To: chat <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 10:03 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: more on fires


>More on firemaking.  Someone questioned how much
>char cloth would be needed to start 3 fires a day
>for extended periods of time.  Someone else very
>correctly noted that once a fire is started it
>need not be put out as long as camp stays in the
>same place.  This is certainly the practice when
>we camp, and it is reflected in period journals.
>O. Russell stated that the jobs of a camp keeper
>(his original job description) included guarding
>horses, cooking and keeping the fires going (p.
>51).
>John Kirk Townsend described drying meat, during
>which time the fire was "going constantly."  (p.
>106)
>I also found another reference to making fire.
>David Meriweather mentioned striking fire with
>flint and steel and "some punk we had taken with
>us."  (p. 59).  "Punk" of course probably means
>charred plant material, not some guy with a
>pierced nose, shaved head and a motorcycle jacket.
>Allen Chronister
>
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:04:02 -0500
From: Eli Kutzko <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Mocha and Request for info

> Washtahay-
> gee, Eli's husband Sean sounded OK until he said...
> >my decaf mocha is getting cold.
> LongWalker c. du B.
>

<*snicker*>  He's just giving you guys some grief.

He's still quite green though.  Gonna walk it out of him next
June however.   He's gotten it into his head that he wants to
spend a couple of weeks up in the Sangre de Cristo Range along
the San Luis Valley of Co.  I figure I have my work cut out for
me.  Last time I suggested we go somewhere fairly remote, I
about keeled over when I saw the pile of gear he "had" to take.
When he started talking about renting a generator, I altered the
travel plans a bit.  This time I've got a couple of mules for
him to deal with if he wants all that stuff.  That oughta learn
him.  ;o)

So on a side tangent, does anyone know of a source for
information regarding Annie Blanche Sokalski besides Dee Brown's
Gentle Tamers?  She was apparently quite the character.  A
little late for the trade era however (he mentions her in the
1860s).  She traveled in a wolfskin riding habit with thirteen
dogs and was quite a markswoman.  Didn't take any grief from men
whatsoever.

Eli

~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~
Eli Kutzko    <[e-mail]>

"Just once, I wish we would encounter an alien menace
that wasn't immune to bullets."  The Brigader (Dr. Who)

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:01:54 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house

   > But the last time I said I was
   >going out for the weekend with the boys... I came back to an empty
   >house, except for the two dogs.  They died.
Did that clod leave them to die? Sounds like someone needs a Scalping at
least(preferably more ;-) ) Sorry, I have a bad attitude about anyone who
abuses kids,animals,etc. and would like to treat them all to the same things
they do!
Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well

"They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:02:03 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trying to find a good man

   >Washtahay-
   >gee, Eli's husband Sean sounded OK until he said...
   >>my decaf mocha is getting cold.
   >LongWalker c. du B.
Yup,even listens to GOOD radio!
Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well

"They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:53:58 -0600
From: "David Tippets" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Deleware

Allen,

As per Deleware forting up to fight other Indians, I believe that it's is
part of the Kit Carson legend that he was with Deleware hunters on the
Southern Plains when they were attacked by Commache and forted up behind
their carcasses of their own horses which they killed to form a barracade.
In the version of the story which I read most recently, there was no mention
of Deleware women in the party.

Dave
- -----Original Message-----
From: Allen Chronister <[e-mail]>
To: chat <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 2:20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: need help


>Somewhere, sometime in the past, I remember
>reading in the vast literature of the western fur
>trade, a description of a battle between a group
>of Delaware hunter/trappers and a group of
>opposing Indians.  The Delawares took up a
>fortified position with their families in the
>center, and during the fight the delaware women
>were casting balls and passing them to the
>fighting men.  Great stuff, but I can't locate it.
>
>Can anybody else rmember where it is, or is it
>just my imagination?
>Allen Chronister
>
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:10:48 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: MtMan-List: enoughs enough

OK, I believe the lonely hearts club is covered. back to history please!!!
Joe

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:11:42 -0700
From: "P. Amschler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Out of the Woods

     Well I will admit that finding a good man is the same as finding a good woman! I was married for 8 looooong years to a women who would not even look  at a gun let alone touch one! She did everything in her power to keep the young's away from our true history! Now she has a son in the rangers as a snipper and a daughter who is married to a guy that has LOT'S of guns! As for me I have a wife who shoots better, than I do, kinda humbling, love to hunt and fish and is native american!
     Before you date someone some friends of mine used to say "Before you ask her out ask her if she rides horses and shoots GUNS?" (all of us old ones should remember Sky King) When I asked her she looked at me like I was nuts then as a joke said sure I do all that! BAM BAM BAM Fell in love found out she had never shot anything till we met and now if I go to a gun shop without her I sleep with the spiders (don't have a dog anymore). We spent seven months on a res together now she is going to her first Ronny this weekend! Boy I struck it rich with her!

Paul 'Oso" amschler

I know this doesn't meet the list's rules but hope to just throw out my 2cents in support of women in search of a good man!
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:26:12 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: enoughs enough

Lighten up, Joe :)  This IS sorta history... Remember the "Mail Order
Brides" in Oregon and the West coast?? ...*chuckles*

SeanBear
- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brandl <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 10:12 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: enoughs enough


>OK, I believe the lonely hearts club is covered. back to history please!!!
>Joe
>
>Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
>Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
>Write for custom tanning prices
>We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and
>hair on robes
>Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets
>check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:51:08 -0500
From: "Ken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: enoughs enough

> Lighten up, Joe :)  This IS sorta history... Remember the "Mail Order
> Brides" in Oregon and the West coast?? ...*chuckles*
>
> SeanBear

Sorta nothing, it's our history! :) Most of us chose doing this because of
a love of the history, the style, the romance ( yeah, admit it! ), and a
way of life we would choose over our current condition. This old curmudgeon
has enjoyed it enormously! Calamity and I learned there's still a great
bunch of people who like doing it their own way and not following the herd.

YellowFeather



- -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Brandl <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 10:12 AM
> Subject: MtMan-List: enoughs enough
>
>
> >OK, I believe the lonely hearts club is covered. back to history
please!!!
> >Joe
> >
> >Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
> >Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
> >Write for custom tanning prices
> >We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and
> >hair on robes
> >Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings,
baskets
> >check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka
> >
> >
> >
>

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