<DIV>Th copyright for "Man Made Mobile" is 1980. The copyright lasts for the=
life of the author, plus 70 years.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> "Fair Use" is a privilege that allows people other than the=20=
owner of the copyright to use the copyrighted material in a reasonable manne=
r without his consent. The reasonableness of a use is determined on a case-b=
y-case basis applying an equitable rule of reason analysis. There are four f=
actors in determining whether the use was a "fair use": 1) the purpose and c=
haracter of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or=
is for nonprofit educational purposes; 2) the nature of the copyrighted wor=
k; 3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the c=
opyrighted work as a whole; and 4) the effect of the use upon the potential=20=
market for or value of the copyrighted work.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Since "Man Made Mobile" is a 147 page book, copying 50 pages, even=
for personal use might not meet the definintion above. Since this is a=
Smithsonian publication, why not write them and ask permission to use the c=
hapter you want in the manner you describe?</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:31:41 -0600
From: Ole Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition
Todd,
I have an original copy of MMM that the Author gave me.
Ole
On Monday, July 12, 2004, at 03:41 PM, tetontodd@juno.com wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> Since I don't own a copy of MMM, I would like a copy of the pages. If
> I could borrow yours, I could make a copy myself at work. Also, it
> would be good to meet you.
>
> Thanks
>
> Todd Glover
>
> -- "Jerry Bell" <jrbell@smartfella.com> wrote:
> I finally got a coy of the Renwick Exhibition and it turns out to be
> the
> last chapter in "Man Made Mobile". Do you have a copy of it? The
> chapter
> is over 50 pages long. Do you still want or need a copy of it?
>
> Jerry
>
> PS. I live and work in Murray
>
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> tetontodd@juno.com
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> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick
> Exhibition
>
>
> Jerry,
>
> YEs, I am an "associate" of yours. And I would like a copy. Then I
> will copy
> and distribute to others in the area. By the way, I woork in Draper
> and live
> in Riverton.
> Thanks!
>
> Todd
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:37:13 GMT
From: "tetontodd@juno.com" <tetontodd@juno.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition
John,
Point taken. I believe what Jerry has is a copy of a paper on the Renwick collection which he stated was "basically a chapter from the book. Since he obtained a copy from the museum, I see no reason to worry about copyrights. The author of the paper offered to send me a copy also. Good reminder on copyrights though...
Teton
- -- John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> wrote:
Todd,
Is it appropriate to suggest the possible violation of copyright on this
forum?
The first question should have been: is the material copyrighted or public
domain?
SnakeOyl...
At 04:41 PM 07/12/04, you wrote:
>Jerry,
>
>Since I don't own a copy of MMM, I would like a copy of the pages. If I
>could borrow yours, I could make a copy myself at work. Also, it would be
>good to meet you.
>
>Thanks
>
>Todd Glover
>
>-- "Jerry Bell" <jrbell@smartfella.com> wrote:
>I finally got a coy of the Renwick Exhibition and it turns out to be the
>last chapter in "Man Made Mobile". Do you have a copy of it? The chapter
>is over 50 pages long. Do you still want or need a copy of it?
>
>Jerry
>
>PS. I live and work in Murray
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>[mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of tetontodd@juno.com
>Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:32 AM
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition
>
>
>Jerry,
>
>YEs, I am an "associate" of yours. And I would like a copy. Then I will copy
>and distribute to others in the area. By the way, I woork in Draper and live
>in Riverton.
>Thanks!
>
>Todd
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Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:08:54 -0600
From: "Ben" <beb1@sisna.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Good Webpages
Hello the camp,
Speaking about websites....
I need some help. In a novel I'm writing there is a scene at Fort Laramie.
In trying to re-create the visual aspects of the fort I've done some
searching on the internet. I've found conflicting descriptions.
http://www.nps.gov/fola/laramie.htm describes it as never having a wall
around it, as always being an open fort depending on its location and
garrison of soldiers for protection. However another site
http://www.historyglobe.com/ot/ftlaramie.htm shows a picture by Alfred J.
Miller drawn in 1858 that shows a stockade around the fort ..... but the
mountains in the background don't look like what I remember around Fort
Laramie.
In other sites I've found that it was first created in 1831 by William
Sublette for trading with the Indians for buffalo robes and was made of wood
poles (like the forts the movies show).
Then it was sold the the American Fur Company and they rebuilt it using
adobe for the walls. In 1849 the Army bought it and had planned a nine foot
wall around it but apparently it never was built because of cost.
I'd guess the Army tore down the walls that had been built and built what we
see today..... but that picture by Miller drawn in 1858 has got me puzzled.
Anyone out there that can shed a little light on this situation.
Thanks in advance.
Ben
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From: "Wynn Ormond" <cheyenne@pcu.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Good Webpages
> Add a couple more I thought of
>
> SW Traders by the Jim Baker Party of the AMM.
>
> http://klesinger.com/jbp/swf1.html
>
> As a matter of fact, it is my belief that fur trade history sets a pretty
> high standard as internet subjects go. A ton of free quality information.
> I have lost bookmarks not to long ago and don't have the one to Angela
> Gottfred's Northwest, Canadian voyager type site but it is another one
that
> you really need to check out. Her husband does a remarkable job teaching
