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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 01:57:56 -0400
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bear Fat

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I have about 25 lbs of frozen bear fat and I would like to render it down. I'm
> looking for suggestions on methods of rendering, containers and storage ideas.
> Thanks.

I didn't do much with it, just melted it SLOWLY over low heat in a cast
iron pot, took if off the heat and slowly poured it through cheese cloth
into another cast iron pot.  Then, reheated it again, and poured it into
another cheese cloth with the "oil" going into glass jars.

Fred

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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 06:43:59 -0700
From: Dale Nelson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bear Fat

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I have about 25 lbs of frozen bear fat and I would like to render it down. I'm
> looking for suggestions on methods of rendering, containers and storage ideas.
> Thanks.
>
> Ghosting Wolf

I cooked mine on a low heat.  You need something to strain it, because
there will be cracklins in it.  I poured mine through a cotton cloth,
but I think a regular screen strainer would work better.  After the
rendered oil sets up it will be cloudy and look like Crisco or Lard.  By
acident I let mine sit at room temp. for a long time, and a very fine
light oil floated to the top, and this is really good stuff.  If you
store it in a fridg that oil will not float out.  Bear fat will become
rancid also.  I know a guy that kept right on using it, stink and all,
and he won all the turkeys and hams and everything else that was put up
for a prize at the club shoots so rancid or not it seemed to work for
him.  I've also been told that it'll make some of the finest pie crusts
you've ever eaten, but I've never eaten one.  Saved mine to shoot with.
            DN

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:26:23 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Christian missionaries to Rendezvous

I am trying to research the possible missionary outreaches to Rendezvous and
the Mountain Men of the 1800-1840 era.  Would prefer published references or
accessible repositories.

Rev. Hawk

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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 07:21:28 -0600
From: Wayne Mumford <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Menard

I am doing a little pre-Lewis & Clark research (I know it pre-dates 1800
but I thought someone out there might have some info) and am trying to
find some information about a trader/trapper named Menard.

I am familiar with Col.Menard and Pierre Menard. My question is, are
these men one and the same? And, is this man the same one who was in
residence at the Mandan villages in the mid 1700's as stated by Nasatir
in his book, "Before Lewis & Clark"? He apparently lived among them for
several years and may have joined some indians on thier travels up the
Yellowstone prior to the expedition.
Thanks,
Wayne
- --
Frontier Filmworks
Still Photography by Wayne Mumford
Location Scouting-Prints-Stock Images
Historic Western Trails
http://gallery.in-tch.com/~ffw/

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:18:36 -0700
From: "Terry Landis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Bear Fat

I have about 25 lbs of frozen bear fat and I would like to render it down.
Ghosting Wolf

try putting the fat in a large kettle. boil it down till all the water is
gone(thick as cold oat meal or as close as you can get it).for use as ball
grease I pour it into individual tins, cap boxs,ect.  freeze till ready to
use.
                good hunting, GRIZZ

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:13:39 -0700
From: "Terry Landis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List:newbee

I'm pretty new to all this historical stuff, but I really want to learn some
more about mountainman lore. I hunt, but don't know anybody else who goes
for the primitive approach. are  there any other pilgrims west of the
selkirks? I live 40 mi. N.E. of Seattle, and I shure would like to meet some
people of like mind.
            thanks for any help I may get
                                terry(GRIZZ)landis

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:54:28 -0500
From: "William S. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Reburial of Liver-Eating Johnston

There's an article on Johnston's reburial in one of the old T & LR's. It has
photographs, and even shows Robert Redford assisting in carrying the
remains. I've got it around here somewhere, but danged if I know just where,
right now!

Waffalo
Hiveranno, # 907, most recently returned from the Eastern in Missouri.
"Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men."
Luke 2:14


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[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of S.M.Despain-1
Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 11:47 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Reburial of Liver-Eating Johnston


I'm interested in talking to anyony who was involved in the reburial of
Liver-eating Johnston in the mid-1970s.  As a youth I heard about it
from a buckskinner in the black powder club I was in, his name was Owen
Freebarron (if memory serves right).  Anyway, the recent postings on
Johnston has aroused my interest in this event.  I am the one working on
a dissertaion on the mountian man in American culture and history who
occasionally jumps in this group to find insight and information, and
that is what I'm about here now.  I would like anyone who was involved
in that reburial to e-mail me thier experiences with or rememberances on
it.  Anything and everything about it could and would be of value.  If
anyone knows about articles or newspaper clipping about it or about a
booklet I've recently caught wind of, I'd be very interested in those
too.  You can contact me directly or post here in the group.

Thanks ahead of time for all those can help out,

Matt Despain
[e-mail]

Dept of History
University of Oklahoma
1339 Homland Ave.
Norman, OK  73072

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:57:45 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: how to sell a tipi

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I got this note from Kirsten and thought somebody out on the list might be in
the market for  a tipi so I am forwarding it on.

I already recommended that they advertise in Smoke & Fire News but if any of
you have other suggestions I am sure they would appreciate it.

Your humble servant,

C.T. Oakes

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Hallo CT

We corresponded some time back when I was trying to find other folks from
the east coast on the list.

I've a question for you. Friends of mine made a tipi over the winter and
have decided to switch to a marquee asap. The tipi's in great shape and
all, but he's not got the hang of setting it up and the long poles are a
bit of a bother. Anyhow, they live close by here in Ottawa and wondered
what would be the best way to sell the thing.  Do you have any
suggestions? Are there stores in the region they could advertise in, or a
newsletter on the east coast or listserve or newsgroup that would be
appropriate?  An individual they should contact who has connections?
They're off to upstate NY this coming weekend for a vous - Ticonderoga
(?!?) I think - and since they aren't on the net I offered to make some
inquiries. Any suggestions would be most helpful.

I can easily find out the specs on the tipi if you know of anyone in this
time zone who'd like to buy it.

thanks,

Kirsten Smith
Medicine Hand
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:37:14 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: how to sell a tipi

I just hung a sign on mine at a rendezvous and it sold.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:newbee

On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Terry Landis wrote:
> I'm pretty new to all this historical stuff, but I really want to learn some
> more about mountainman lore. I hunt, but don't know anybody else who goes
> for the primitive approach. are  there any other pilgrims west of the
> selkirks? I live 40 mi. N.E. of Seattle, and I shure would like to meet some
> people of like mind.

Hello Terry, and welcome

There are several clubs in your area.  A couple even have internet
webpages, these are;

Evergreen Muzzleloaders
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Loge/5490/index.html

Puget Sound Freetraders
http://www.olywa.net/mmccahan/index.html

Whidbey Island Borestuffers
http://home1.gte.net/kahlstro/ronde1.htm

There are more, but these will get you started.

Regards

Lee Newbill
Viola, Idaho
email at [e-mail]
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:56:19 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bear Fat

BEAR GREASE IS ALSO EXTREMELY GOOD TO USE IN CASE HARDENING
FRIZZENS---HAVE USED IT ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS YOU WANT TO USE THE FLOTING
OIL ON THE TOP WHEN IT SETTLES OUT AT ROOM TEMPERATURE--A LOT LIKE SPERM
OIL BUT NOT AS GOOD--it makes a tough and hard frizzen and caseing
penitrates well--wont have to draw the frizzen as much if you use the
bear oil---

dip the frizzen in the bear grease and roll in your casenite the hold by
the attachment lug in your vise to act as a heat sink  heap the casenite
on the strikeing surface use a propane toarch or a regular torch and heat
to a straw color and hold for 2 to 4 min then let the frizzen fall into
the bear oil it will crack like a gun if the oil is thin and usually
catch afire so dont do this in a closed area---test the surface with a
file and if it wont cut the metal easily it is plenty hard if it is too
hard then you can draw it back and make it softer.  it doesnt take a lot
of heat to draw it back so be careful---
      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]     E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]

On Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:48:26 -0400 [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
writes:
>Hi,
> I use a dutch oven, just render it on low heat, so it doesnt burn.
>Strain
>it and when it is cool enough, I used the ice cream bucket containers
>and
>put it in the freezer. I also keep a mason jar full of it in the
>fridge for
>everyday use..
>
>Dennis
>
>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 12:33 AM
>Subject: MtMan-List: Bear Fat
>
>
>>I have about 25 lbs of frozen bear fat and I would like to render it
>down.
>I'm
>>looking for suggestions on methods of rendering, containers and
>storage
>ideas.
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Ghosting Wolf
>>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 08:50:25 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:newbee

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Lee:
Thanks for jumping in there. I was racking my pea brain trying to come up with
some one over there to refer Terry to and so far couldn't help. All of the guys I
know on the wet side are RMM or AMM and not entry level although surely willing to
help out a new guy.

Terry, you say you are new to all this history stuff. Clarify what you mean. If
you are interested in the seriously primitive game there are folks in your neck of
the 'wet' that you might introduce yourself to. In fact there will be a primitive
bear/grouse hunt in your neighborhood in a couple weeks but first where are you in
your "Pilgrims Journey"? In any case , welcome aboard, I remain....

YMOS
Capt.. Lahti'

Lee Newbill wrote:


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Lee:
<BR>Thanks for jumping in there. I was racking my pea brain trying to come
up with some one over there to refer Terry to and so far couldn't help.
All of the guys I know on the wet side are RMM or AMM and not entry level
although surely willing to help out a new guy.

<P><B>Terry,</B> you say you are new to all this history stuff. Clarify
what you mean. If you are interested in the seriously primitive game there
are folks in your neck of the 'wet' that you might introduce yourself to.
In fact there will be a primitive bear/grouse hunt in your neighborhood
in a couple weeks but first where are you in your "Pilgrims Journey"? In
any case , welcome aboard, I remain....

<P>YMOS
<BR>Capt.. Lahti'

<P>Lee Newbill wrote:
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:48:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: RE: MtMan-List: Reburial of Liver-Eating Johnston

Would someone please post a synopsis of Liver Eating Johnston's life.
 Don't know a thing about him.  Thanks.
             Dick

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 05:36:13 -0400
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: how to sell a tipi

In all my years of selling new tipis....just showing up at an event is
the best way to sell  new and used.   It's kinda like a used car lot,
but it works.   Takes several months through most of the magazines by
the time you get it in print.

Linda Holley

[e-mail] wrote:

> I just hung a sign on mine at a rendezvous and it sold.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:32:20 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Reburial of Liver-Eating Johnston

For those interested in the Liver-eater, try reading "Crow Killer" by Robert
Thorpe

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:51:28 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Menard

Wayne;

Hafen's "Mountain Men and the Fur Trade of the Far West" lists a ___ Menard
killed with Glass, a Ciprien Menard with Stewart, a Menard Academy where
Laidlaw's daughters went, all in addition to Pierre Menard.  Thwaites' "Early
Western Travels" series lists, in addition to Pierre, Hipolyte and Jean
Francois (both in Kaskaskia) and a Michel.

Pierre became a colonel in the Randolph County, Illinois militia in 1795.  See
Hafen, vol. 6, page 308.

Jim Hardee  AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
[phone] (W)
[phone] FAX
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:51:30 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Menard

Wayne;

Hafen's "Mountain Men and the Fur Trade of the Far West" lists a ___ Menard
killed with Glass, a Ciprien Menard with Stewart, a Menard Academy where
Laidlaw's daughters went, all in addition to Pierre Menard.  Thwaites' "Early
Western Travels" series lists, in addition to Pierre, Hipolyte and Jean
Francois (both in Kaskaskia) and a Michel.

Pierre became a colonel in the Randolph County, Illinois militia in 1795.  See
Hafen, vol. 6, page 308.

Jim Hardee  AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
[phone] (W)
[phone] FAX
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:23:32 -0600
From: "David Tippets" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Christian missionaries to Rendezvous

RE: Fur Trade Missionaries

This last winter I discovered the journal and art of Father Nicholas Point,
a French Jesuit missionary who followed Father DeSmet up through Fort Hall
and on to Flathead House in about 1842.  He worked with the Salish,
Kootenai, and Blackfeet tribes until about 1847 when he floated down the
Missouri back to St. Louis.

Loyola University owns his journal and the accompanying paintings and
sketches.  Loyolla published a beautiful book containing both his art and
writing.  You can really learn a lot from the combination of his writing and
his illustrations.  He is the only person whom I know of recorded the
appearance fo Fort Hall in that period.

At first glance, his oil paintings would leave you to believe that he didn't
depict things very realistically.   But when you study his sketches you
discover that he could record things very realistically and in great detail.
That leads me to believe that he probably didn't have a very good source of
camel hair brushes and was probably making his own brushes out of native
materials, thus making his paintings sometimes look a little crude.  I don't
think that there was any other artist of the period who spent so many
consequative winters in the Rockies without returning east for comforts of
civilization.  I don't know of any other missionary who came so close living
like a mountain man.   He's a good one to study up on.

Check your library for the book.


- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 10:54 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Christian missionaries to Rendezvous


>I am trying to research the possible missionary outreaches to Rendezvous
and
>the Mountain Men of the 1800-1840 era.  Would prefer published references
or
>accessible repositories.
>
>Rev. Hawk
>
>

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 10:29:38 -0600
From: Wayne Mumford <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Menard

Jim,

Thanks for the lead, I was just going to try to get ahold of that volume
of Hafen. The first one sounds the most suspicious. Is that Hugh Glass?
Menard would have been ancient by his time?
Have you read Nasatir's "Before Lewis and Clark"? Pretty interesting
stuff. Apparently this Menard may have been as high up on the
Yellowstone as the Bighorn river area in around 1775 or so. He is said
to have been living among the Mandans for fifteen years during this
period.That doesn't predate the Verendrye's but it is still interesting
that europeans were going that high up during that time. It appears to
me that there was alot more activity on the upper Missouri than what is
generally believed. Not to discredit the expedition of Lewis & Clark but
the idea that they were in totally unknown/untravelled (by europeans)
territory above the Mandans seems a little flimsy.

I would imagine that Pierre/Col. Menard would be the same person that we
find on the Three forks in 1809-10 with Colter and Droulliard getting
their butts whipped by the Blackfeet.

Do you remember off hand which vol. of Thwaites EWT speaks of Menard?

Thanks again,
Wayne
- --
Frontier Filmworks
Still Photography by Wayne Mumford
Location Scouting-Prints-Stock Images
Historic Western Trails
http://gallery.in-tch.com/~ffw/

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 10:37:31 -0600
From: Wayne Mumford <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Christian missionaries to Rendezvous

What is the title of the book about Fr. Nicholas Point? DeSmet did a
pretty impressive stint in the mountains, but I have never checked out
Nicholas Point. I don't believe I've seen any of his art either.
Thanks in advance,
Wayne
- --
Frontier Filmworks
Still Photography by Wayne Mumford
Location Scouting-Prints-Stock Images
Historic Western Trails
http://gallery.in-tch.com/~ffw/

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:52:15 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Menard

Wayne;

Pierre Menard is not the Menard said to have been killed with Hugh Glass.
Glass was killed around 1833 and Pierre Menard died at the ripe old age of 78
on June 13, 1844. (He was born in 1766)  Interestingly, biographical sketches
of both Glass and Menard are in Vol. 6 of Hafen's series, so if you get that
volume, you'll find documentation for both.  The Menard essay was written by
Richard Oglesby who also wrote a bio of Manuel Lisa, "Manuel Lisa and the
Opening of the Missouri Fur Trade," (University of Oklahoma Press, 1963).
You'll find quite a bit on Menard in that book also, including quite a bit
regarding the events at the Three Forks to which you refer..

Pierre Menard was with Andrew Henry at the Three Forks, as you mentioned, when
some of those trappers were attacked by Blackfeet.  In 1807, Menard was a
partner with Manuel Lisa and William Morrison in a fur company, but didn't go
upriver until June of 1809.  The incident at Three Forks occured in 1810.
While Menard was already a partner with Lisa when they established a post on
the Bighorn in 1808, Menard was not there.  I find nothing indicating Menard
was up the Missouri any earlier.

I've never read Nasatir's book, but you are correct in thinking there was
quite a bit of activity on the Upper Missouri before Lewis and Clark.  This
takes nothing away from what the Corps of Discovery accomplished.  When you
read their journals, you find them running into several traders (Key word
TRADErs) such as Jessaumme, Laroque, Loisel, and others.  Several more were
encountered on the return trip such as McClallan, La Frost, McClelan, not to
mention Dickson and Hancock.  There were quite a few traders, a lot of them
French, coming down from Canada regions to do business with the tribes along
the river.  Menard had a store in Kaskaskia as 1790 so no doubt was aware of
this activity.

The references in Thwaites are quite brief being volume XXVI, p. 165 and
XXVII, p. 26 & 64.  Not much, but a few nuggets to be sure.

Jim Hardee AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
[phone] (W)
[phone] FAX
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 06:37:31 -0600
From: "David Tippets" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Christian missionaries to Rendezvous

Wayne,

I'd have to go back to the library to get the exact title of the book,
or ---
do a search for it at the amazon.com website.  Their database is incredible
and you can pull up all kinds of information, in addition to the title,
such as:

is it still in print?

how much does it cost?

how long do they estimate it will take to find a copy?

I'd query Amazon for it myself, but I don't want to subject myself to the
temptation of busting my budget.

Dave Tippets


- -----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Mumford <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Christian missionaries to Rendezvous


>What is the title of the book about Fr. Nicholas Point? DeSmet did a
>pretty impressive stint in the mountains, but I have never checked out
>Nicholas Point. I don't believe I've seen any of his art either.
>Thanks in advance,
>Wayne
>--
>Frontier Filmworks
>Still Photography by Wayne Mumford
>Location Scouting-Prints-Stock Images
>Historic Western Trails
>http://gallery.in-tch.com/~ffw/
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 08:48:08 +0100
From: Allen Chronister <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Nicholas Pointe

There are two ready sources of information on
Nicholas Pointe's art.  The first, published some
time ago, is called "Wilderness Kingdom."  I don't
have the author in mind right now, but it is a
relatively common book.  Most or all of the art in
Wilderness Kingdom is his oil paintings, mostly of
Indian folks in the 1840s.  It is sometimes very
difficult to decipher Pointe's oils and the
detailscan be very confusing.  As someone else has
noted, the same is not true of his field sketches,
which are mostly pencil.  In this regard he is
much like AJ Miller.  The best published source
for Pointe's filed sketches is an exhibit catalog
called "Sacred Encounters" by Jackie Peterson.
This was a traveling exhibit that I got to see at
the Museum of the Rockies in Bozeman.  (That's in
Montana.)  Pointe's little sketches (most are
about post-card size) are clear and fairly
detailed. There are several that depict non-native
people, including one dated 1841 (I think) and
called "Free Trapper."  It is a trapper on
horseback.
Allen Chronister

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:01:37 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Addison O. Miller)
Subject: MtMan-List: Ronnyvous page revamped

To the Liste:

I just revamped my Ronnyvous page on the web.  I am still adding to it and
haven't got the pix of the Trade Guns back as yet to scan and DL, but other
than that, it is done.  I'd like for those interested to review it and let
me know what you think.  Also, if you have a web page and want me to link to
it, just send me the URL and I will be glad to.

Thanks

Addison Miller

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:01:37 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Addison O. Miller)
Subject: MtMan-List: Ronnyvous page revamped

To the Liste:

I just revamped my Ronnyvous page on the web.  I am still adding to it and
haven't got the pix of the Trade Guns back as yet to scan and DL, but other
than that, it is done.  I'd like for those interested to review it and let
me know what you think.  Also, if you have a web page and want me to link to
it, just send me the URL and I will be glad to.

Thanks

Addison Miller

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:10:40 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bear Fat

Only one piece of advice: do the actual rendering _outside_.

- --A.
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 00:09:05 -0600
From: Wayne Mumford <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nicholas Pointe

Allen,

How long ago was it at the Museum of the Rockies- I'm not to far away,
maybe it's still there?

Wayne
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Frontier Filmworks
Still Photography by Wayne Mumford
Location Scouting-Prints-Stock Images
Historic Western Trails
http://gallery.in-tch.com/~ffw/

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 12:19:55 +0100
From: Allen Chronister <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Sacred Encounters Exhibit

The Sacred Encounters exhibit that included a
number of Pointe field drawings was at the Museum
of the Rockies several years ago and is long gone.
 The catalog should still be available somewhere,
though.  Try 4-Winds Trading Post in St Ignatius
Mt.  Preston may still have some catalogs because
he had loaned a few items to the exhibit.
406-745-4336
Allen Chronister

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:17:30 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1830 & 1838 Rendevous Site

Hi, Mountain Men & Women:

Just got back from a trail trip and was dee-lighted to find the original
rendevous site at Riverton, WY still preserved and still used. What a
beautiful place. It really affected me. Look for me there next July 4. Has
someone got a website with pix of all the rendezvous sites that I can
contribute pictures to?

Just to introduce myself a little I am too citified to be a real Mountain Man.
About the only part I've got down good is the story-telling. I will be sending
in for associate membership, and I'd like to know about rendezvous open to
spectators.

Tom Laidlaw <A HREF="http://rutnut.com/nwocta/home.html">NW OCTA Website</A>
  <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/otkiosks/otcc/intro.html">Oregon's Oregon
Trail Kiosk Tour</A>
 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/octanw/maps/clickable.html">Clickable Oregon
Trail in Oregon</A>

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:48:55 +0000
From: [e-mail] (RANDAL J BUBLITZ)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Minnesota

Try Ft. Snelling in St. Paul, Ft. Ridgely in New Ulm, Minn..   Hardtack

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:32:36 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nicholas Pointe

"Wilderness Kingdom" was translated and introduced by Joseph P. Donnelly, Sr.
and published by Holt, Rinehart and Winston in 1967.  There was a simultaneous
printing by Loyola University Press in Chicago.  You can gnerally find it
anywhere from $40 to $80 through an out-of-print bookdealer.

Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
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