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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:29:28 GMT
From: tetontodd@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Looms
What a sad day. I was hoping that the woolen mill would rise from the ashes once again and produce some more fine blankets. It was an interesting place to visit. Guess I should have bought more of their blankets.
Teton
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 14:54:32 -0500
From: MunevarL@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Bedding
I am interested in hearing some ideas on how you set-up your bed on primitive outings. The climate would be cool night time temps in the upper 20s-upper 30s but no snow on the ground. What do you use to insulate your body from the ground? (modern would be a foam pad and primitive, the way I have done it, is 6-9 inches of pine needles or leaves) But what about when there is little debris on the ground? Primarily chapparal? Are their any period correct alternatives to the modern foam pad that one would carry? What goes on top of this? Ground cloth (dimensions), shelter cloth (dimensions; do you use one or do you simply fold an oversized ground cloth over you to act a shelter from rain/snow? Blanket(s). How are they arranged? Any specifics? (folded in half, thirds, pinned, sewn together)
I have never gone on a mountain man era primitive trek. I have gone completely primitive (no pack, no sleeping bag/blanket, made my own shelter, debris for warmth) and modern backpacking but I wanted to know what to pack for a mountain man era trek.
Looking forward to hear your experiences. Lou
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:49:26 -0800
From: Pat Quilter <pat_quilter@qscaudio.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Bedding
Here is my method which serves well down to mildly frosty conditions.
I have two good wool blankets and a windbreaker canvas somewhat larger
than the blankets. I find the most comfortable spot of ground, removing
rocks, sticks etc and arranging a hip-hole. If you do this right you don't
need padding. I basically fold my blankets and canvas in half and lay
between so I have the same layers underneath as above. If the ground is wet,
I would take the trouble to build a bed of debris for more insulation. I
sleep in my warmest clothes too. The ground slowly warms up underneath,
providing a heat reservoir for the coldest part of the night. The
windbreaking effect of the canvas on top is essential. I position the open
side of the bedding away from the wind, and if there's a slope, pointing
downhill. I have a serape I often drape over my upper body on top of all
this bedding as a head-nest but otherwise I snuggle under the blankets if I
get that cold.
A single good buffalo robe can replace all of this but it's actually
heavier especially if wet. But it IS warm. My blankets, canvas and serape
roll into two manageable bedrolls, which I tie on a crude packframe along
with a portmanteau for my other stuff. The resulting pack is not trivial but
it travels OK. For warm conditions, omit a blanket, or sleep on top for
extra cushioning. I once travelled with just the serape and canvas, but I
was a little cold on a spring mountain night (40's?).
Happy trails!
Pat Quilter
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From: MunevarL@aol.com [mailto:MunevarL@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:55 AM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Bedding
I am interested in hearing some ideas on how you set-up your bed on
primitive outings. The climate would be cool night time temps in the upper
20s-upper 30s but no snow on the ground. What do you use to insulate your
body from the ground? (modern would be a foam pad and primitive, the way I
have done it, is 6-9 inches of pine needles or leaves) But what about when
there is little debris on the ground? Primarily chapparal? Are their any
period correct alternatives to the modern foam pad that one would carry?
What goes on top of this? Ground cloth (dimensions), shelter cloth
(dimensions; do you use one or do you simply fold an oversized ground cloth
over you to act a shelter from rain/snow? Blanket(s). How are they
arranged? Any specifics? (folded in half, thirds, pinned, sewn together)
I have never gone on a mountain man era primitive trek. I have gone
completely primitive (no pack, no sleeping bag/blanket, made my own shelter,
debris for warmth) and modern backpacking but I wanted to know what to pack
for a mountain man era trek.
Looking forward to hear your experiences. Lou
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:05:59 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:50:45 -0500
From: MunevarL@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
Thanks to the camp for your suggestions. A number of you mentioned tanned hair-on sheepskin as a good surface to sleep on. Can anyone provide me with a link for a company that sells sheepskin? Separately, do you have a link for buffalo robes?
Lou
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:26:40 -0700
From: "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@bresnan.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
Lou,
The best source of braintan and smoked buffalo robes is Wes Housler
http://www.braintan.com/bison/wes.html. You want to get smoked braintan, as
the commercial tanned hides won't stand up to repeatedly getting damp or
wet, which will invariably happen in our avocation. Wes' robes are cheaper
than for what many are selling commercial tanned robes. I find sheepskins
on ebay and occasionally at the thrift stores.
As Always,
Your Obedient Servant,
Gene "Bead Shooter" Hickman
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... Can anyone provide me with a link for a company that sells sheepskin?
Separately, do you have a link for buffalo robes?
> Lou
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:05:07 -0800
From: "RP Lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
Places like Tandy Leather and "The Leather Factory" ( also a Tandy co.) sell
sheep robes. Fellas like Wes Hosler sell buffalo. Don't have any contact
info. Sorry.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
> Thanks to the camp for your suggestions. A number of you mentioned tanned
hair-on sheepskin as a good surface to sleep on. Can anyone provide me with
a link for a company that sells sheepskin? Separately, do you have a link
for buffalo robes?
>
> Lou
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:45:19 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
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In a message dated 3/10/2004 1:51:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
MunevarL@aol.com writes:
Can anyone provide me with a link for a company that sells sheepskin?
Separately, do you have a link for buffalo robes?
Lou, Don't know if your near one, but I've seen good prices at Costco.
Here's a couple of links to Buffalo robes...
Braintanned Buffalo Robes, Tipis, Rawhide & Parfleche: by Wes Housler
Absaroka Western Designs & Tannery, historical reproductions, furs, robes,
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:24:42 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
Lou, check on E-bay. I've seen them there. I've seen them sold at K-mart,
etc... to be put under a babies sleeping area. Good ventilation, etc....
Randy
> [Original Message]
> From: <MunevarL@aol.com>
> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Date: 3/10/04 1:50:46 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
>
> Thanks to the camp for your suggestions. A number of you mentioned
tanned hair-on sheepskin as a good surface to sleep on. Can anyone provide
me with a link for a company that sells sheepskin? Separately, do you have
a link for buffalo robes?
>
> Lou
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:27:54 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
Wes does sell partial robes for saddle blankets, etc... If you can't afford
a new robe, maybe a partial would be good enough. Check him out at
http://www.braintan.com/bison/wes.html yfab, Randy
> [Original Message]
> From: RP Lahti <amm1719@charter.net>
> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Date: 3/10/04 3:05:08 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
>
> Places like Tandy Leather and "The Leather Factory" ( also a Tandy co.)
sell
> sheep robes. Fellas like Wes Hosler sell buffalo. Don't have any contact
> info. Sorry.
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
>
>
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> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
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>
> > Thanks to the camp for your suggestions. A number of you mentioned
tanned
> hair-on sheepskin as a good surface to sleep on. Can anyone provide me
with
> a link for a company that sells sheepskin? Separately, do you have a link
> for buffalo robes?
> >
> > Lou
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 01:35:24 GMT
From: trampas4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
Buffalo robes and blankets thats the way to go. I have never seen sheep skin robes mention in any period writtings from the mountaineers. If you are going to look on ebay look up buffalo hides or robes, you will find them, and if you play it right for a good price. Those robes of Wes are very nice, used a trail partners a couple of times, much lighter than commercial tan. His prices are good to. I am going that way. Others in our party also add saddle bankets to there bed, great padding.
Bill Gantic, Baker Party
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