<div>Larry I start my fires with ether hand drill, bow drill and flint
and steel. I use cedar bark as a preferred tinder in Colorado.</div>
<div>Mark Roadkill Loader </div>
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:18:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Teter <leeteter@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Quarterly
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MarkLoader@aol.com wrote:Hello the Camp
Is any one aware of the details referred to in an ad on the back cover of the latest Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly. It offers reproductions of lead bars found along with the remains of a trapper found in 1932 on a creek in the Wasatch Mountains of Utah? Found with the remains were a plains rifle, some clothing, a bullet mold and ladle, four lead bars and a Bible.
Mark Roadkill Loader #1849
Jim Hanson told me about that trapper when I visited to study the original lead bars. He said the trapper must have built a fire under an overhang that fell in on him (when it thawed?). I'm not sure but I think there may have been some traps with the remains. The Fur Trade Quarterly mentions the remains in an article about bar lead, but doesn't give much more detail than you mentioned in your post. The lead bars they sell are very close to the originals. The originals are appr. 10 5/8 inches long, 1/2 inch wide on the bottom, 3/8 across the top, and 1/4 inch high. The reproductions are a fraction smaller so they can't be pawned off as originals. They say "St. Louis Bar Lead" and are supposed to date from the 1820's. Of course they appeared years after too. There are more lead bars just like the MFT bars in a little museum in Taos, across the street from Kit Carson House. Must have been fairly common.
Lee Teter
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<DIV>Is any one aware of the details referred to in an ad on the back cover of the latest Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly. It offers reproductions of lead bars found along with the remains of a trapper found in 1932 on a creek in the Wasatch Mountains of Utah? Found with the remains were a plains rifle, some clothing, a bullet mold and ladle, four lead bars and a Bible. </DIV>
<DIV>Mark Roadkill Loader #1849</DIV>
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<DIV>Jim Hanson told me about that trapper when I visited to study the original lead bars. He said the trapper must have built a fire under an overhang that fell in on him (when it thawed?). I'm not sure but I think there may have been some traps with the remains. The Fur Trade Quarterly mentions the remains in an article about bar lead, but doesn't give much more detail than you mentioned in your post. The lead bars they sell are very close to the originals. The originals are appr. 10 5/8 inches long, 1/2 inch wide on the bottom, 3/8 across the top, and 1/4 inch high. The reproductions are a <U>fraction</U> smaller so they can't be pawned off as originals. They say "St. Louis Bar Lead" and are supposed to date from the 1820's. Of course they appeared years after too. There are more lead bars just like the MFT bars in a little museum in Taos, across the street from Kit Carson House. Must have been fairly common. </DIV>
<DIV>Juniper is correct not the cedar from the North West. Lou I have not tr=
ied Yucca leaves as tinder but I will. I us the Yucca stem as my spindle and=
hearth in both drill methods.</DIV>
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:15:29 -0800
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
Larry,
I use charred punk wood, usually really rotten birch, the stuff that "falls"
out of a birch log cause it's so rotten. Makes the best char but there must
be others.
I will use anything I can find for tinder. I've used burlap bags, cheat
grass, buffalo grass, bunch grass, any dry grass preferably a year old, sage
brush bark, cedar bark, mouse nest, birds nest, really dried leaves though
they don't work all that well, pine needle duff from the base of a big old
pine and fir tree duff found at the base of a big old fir, really old
needles and pitch and whatever is in the pile.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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From: Lee Teter <leeteter@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: List: Lee's Question
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James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net> wrote:
Whoa!
I like the comparison between the Mtn. man era and the 1879-1888 period. But they might not be apples-to-apples comparisons. . . .
. . . In short, there are too many variables for this to be a meaningful statistics to hold up under scrutiny unless more information is added.
_________________________________________________________________ Sure thing. Good information takes a long time to sift, and all this information will be carefully sifted. The ideas for directions of research here on this site are good though, and the information that surfaces comes from places I may have missed. I'm glad to get all I can. James and Sue, your post will be included in my files to remind me to check the angles you mention. I try to be very careful.
All information is a place to start a study. Once information is sifted and studied it will be catagorized and catalogued. The collection of information can take years. It goes faster with a help like I recieved here. After that, a year or two will be allowed for things to settle out and exhaust present sources. Several months will then be used to compile the information and conclusions so they are presented in a way that will accurately reflect the evidence rather than some political point.
The Truth represents the only real things in the world; everything else is a lie. Lies are the author of confusion. I'm tired of unreal things. I will be careful.
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net></I></B> wrote:
<P>Whoa!<BR>I like the comparison between the Mtn. man era and the 1879-1888 period. But they might not be apples-to-apples comparisons. . . . <BR><BR>. . . In short, there are too many variables for this to be a meaningful statistics to hold up under scrutiny unless more information is added.</P>
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<P> </P>
<P>_________________________________________________________________ Sure thing. Good information takes a long time to sift, and all this information will be carefully sifted. The ideas for directions of research here on this site are good though, and the information that surfaces comes from places I may have missed. I'm glad to get all I can. James and Sue, your post will be included in my files to remind me to check the angles you mention. I try to be very careful.</P>
<P> All information is a place to <U>start</U> a study. Once information is sifted and studied it will be catagorized and catalogued. The collection of information can take years. It goes faster with a help like I recieved here. After that, a year or two will be allowed for things to settle out and exhaust present sources. Several months will then be used to compile the information and conclusions so they are presented in a way that will accurately reflect the evidence rather than some political point. </P>
<P>The Truth represents the only real things in the world; everything else is a lie. Lies are the author of confusion. I'm tired of unreal things. I will be careful. </P>
