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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:29:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Teter <leeteter@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: List: Lee's Question
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Todd D Glover <tetontodd@juno.com> wrote:
One particular fact I find interesting from Claytons paper is
that during the "mountain man era" 3,000 packs of beaver were sent down
the Missouri River annually, while during 1879-1888, 19,000 packs
annually found their way to St. Louis."
That is good stuff!. That would mean there were a lot of trappers haunting the beaver streams as late as 1888. Were the Indians trapping that many beaver?The buffalo were about to go under. Hmmm.
Well, it does mean for certain that beaver were not nearly tapped out, at least in the Montana region.
I'll see if I can get my hands on a copy of that report. If not I'll give a holler and get you to send a copy. I think I can find one though. Thanks.
Lee Teter
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Todd D Glover <tetontodd@juno.com></I></B> wrote:
<P><BR>One particular fact I find interesting from Claytons paper is<BR>that during the "mountain man era" 3,000 packs of beaver were sent down<BR>the Missouri River annually, while during 1879-1888, 19,000 packs<BR>annually found their way to St. Louis."</P>
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<P>That is good stuff!. That would mean there were a lot of trappers haunting the beaver streams as late as 1888. Were the Indians trapping that many beaver?The buffalo were about to go under. Hmmm. </P>
<P>Well, it does mean for certain that beaver were not nearly tapped out, at least in the Montana region. </P>
<P>I'll see if I can get my hands on a copy of that report. If not I'll give a holler and get you to send a copy. I think I can find one though. Thanks.</P>
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:45:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Teter <leeteter@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lee's Question
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Wynn Ormond <cheyenne@pcu.net> wrote: It would be more interesting to ask for comments from men who had been involved in depredation trapping of beaver. In other words, in area were civilization has proven that mountain men would be able to trap with more ease than the high country, there remains such a population that the government supports their continued harvesting.
Wyn, you are right.
I sure never thought of that. There are probably official records somewhere that are related to depredation trapping of beaver. If I can get records from before 1900 that will prevent skeptics from saying "there are plenty of beaver NOW, it took that long for them to re-populate the areas".
I don't think beaver reintroduction was that common in the West. I'll be contacting Wyoming Game and Fish to see what records they have regarding depredation complaints. I suppose I may as well contact the U.S. Forest Service about their records on reintroduction of beaver.
Thanks
Lee Teter
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> It would be more interesting to ask for comments from men who had been involved in depredation trapping of beaver. In other words, in area were civilization has proven that mountain men would be able to trap with more ease than the high country, there remains such a population that the government supports their continued harvesting.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Wyn, you are right. </DIV>
<DIV>I sure never thought of that. There are probably official records somewhere that are related to depredation trapping of beaver. If I can get records from before 1900 that will prevent skeptics from saying "there are plenty of beaver NOW, it took that long for them to re-populate the areas".</DIV>
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<DIV>I don't think beaver reintroduction was that common in the West. I'll be contacting Wyoming Game and Fish to see what records they have regarding depredation complaints. I suppose I may as well contact the U.S. Forest Service about their records on reintroduction of beaver.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks</DIV>
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<DIV>Lee Teter </DIV>
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:23:21 EST
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Quarterly
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Hello the Camp
Is any one aware of the details referred to in an ad on the back cover of the
latest Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly. It offers reproductions of lead
bars found along with the remains of a trapper found in 1932 on a creek in the
Wasatch Mountains of Utah? Found with the remains were a plains rifle, some
clothing, a bullet mold and ladle, four lead bars and a Bible.
I live in Southern California and have experimented with a number of different types of tinder. My favorite listed in order of effectiveness (how fast and easy it is to make fire from char cloth) are: the fibers from the dry leaves of the yucca plant, fibers from the bark of the incense cedar tree and dry grasses. I have used mugwort too. It works but I find that you really need to coax the flame out of this tinder.
Look forward to hearing others experiences.
Lou
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:43:32 -0700
From: "Stuart Family" <EJSRB@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: tinder
I had a friend of mine, experienced and well trained, teach a group of Boy
Scouts about flint and steel fires and he swears by cedar bark. He is so
convinced that he carries his own everywhere he goes. And when he taught
the boys he shared from his 55 gallon trash bag full of bark. I would have
to agree. I have also been told that birch bark works extremely well too.
ED
Great Falls MT
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> I am doing an article on tinder, and got to wondering what types
> of material
> you are using for tinder in your parts of the country. With flint and
> steel, I catch the spark on char cloth. The char is placed into my tinder
> which produces flame, that I use to start the fire with kindling. Here in
> Montana, I have used dried grasses, wasp nest, bird nest, meadow
> mouse nest,
> shredded hemp, and shredded cottonwood inner bark. So what do you prefer?
> thanks.
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:04:19 -0700
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>